Re: [android-developers] Re: app inventor

Indicator I challenge you to translate "*pamientras*" jajajaj -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-dev

Re: [android-developers] Re: app inventor

什么语言也可以参与阿？ 2011/8/17 Indicator Veritatis > Αλήθεια; > > La verdad es que no hay un lenguaje 'Ingles'. Hay solo 'Inglés´. La > diferencia está muy precisa. > > Besides: I have seen the posts from a country that shall remain > unnamed: the resemblance of that language to English is purely > supe

[android-developers] Re: app inventor

Αλήθεια; La verdad es que no hay un lenguaje 'Ingles'. Hay solo 'Inglés´. La diferencia está muy precisa. Besides: I have seen the posts from a country that shall remain unnamed: the resemblance of that language to English is purely superficial:( Finally, what you should REALLY be criticizing hi

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Have you considered looking at other options to the App Inventor such as our commercially proven MobiForms Developer - particularly for database orientated apps? At MobiForms we released the world's first rapid application development tool for Google Android smartphones nearly a year ago now. Mobi

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Kostya, On 07/17/2010 11:36 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: Still think it would work well for games / social apps, but for productivity apps it can actually be the opposite of what's intended. Consider two productivity apps, one of which helps get the same work done in half the time. Which one of t

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Jonas, Still think it would work well for games / social apps, but for productivity apps it can actually be the opposite of what's intended. Consider two productivity apps, one of which helps get the same work done in half the time. Which one of them deserves a ratings boost? -- Kostya 17.

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

That's a very high percentage compared to mine, obviously. But I since cannot see your apps here in Singapore, I can't even say what they do, so what I will say may or may not apply to you: for simpler apps, a high rating probably ensures that you will keep the app (favorite comment "It does what

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On 07/17/2010 10:48 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: <> Right, but how do you come up with alternative applications, given the variety of apps?[...] Yeah, it's hardly trivial, but hey, this is Google - if anyone can find relations in statistics, it's them... Also, for Google (Ad-based income) tim

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

God Dag Jonas, <> Right, but how do you come up with alternative applications, given the variety of apps? There are categories defined for Android Market apps, but they are quite broad. It would be possible to define more categories, but I sincerely hope there will be apps that don't fit any

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Privet Kostya, On 07/17/2010 08:09 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: Time spent and number of launches are poor metrics for app quality. Maybe it makes some sense for games. Well, "quality" is not at all what I was after, "popularity" more so. There certainly are apps that automatically start a serv

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Johnas, Time spent and number of launches are poor metrics for app quality. Maybe it makes some sense for games. But consider a car navigation app, or an Office document viewer - their use time/count is dependent on factors that have nothing to do with how much users like them. I have a data bac

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

We have 68% for "Radar Now!" and 58% for "What Zip Code?" -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to a

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

What's considered a good install percentage for a free app? Mine has always been 35-40%. I would have guessed that's fairly good for a try- it-if-I-like-it app. On Jul 17, 8:45 am, "Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)" wrote: > It's what you can't see that's probably affecting your position, > namel

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

It's what you can't see that's probably affecting your position, namely, acceleration and active install percentage. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googl

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

I was looking at the "Top apps in the category", not a particlar search, when I made my comment. Basically, my app appears to be better in every visible category (download, # of ratings and * rating) than probably 200 apps above it. On Jul 17, 1:16 am, Nathan wrote: > On Jul 16, 8:14 am, "Maps.H

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On 07/16/2010 05:35 PM, String wrote: On 16 July, 16:14, "Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)" wrote: (Pardon the continued hijack) Likewise. ;^) +1 From my analysis, the key metric in market position is acceleration, not total downloads, comments or anything else. I respectfully disagree... i

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On Jul 16, 8:14 am, "Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)" wrote: > > Here's my take on market position factors: > Acceleration > Total downloads > active install percentage > rating count > rating > > User comments don't have an effect, good or bad. Good stuff. Do the factors vary based on keyword se

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Here's an idea for ordering: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6995 On 16 July 2010 17:35, String wrote: > On 16 July, 16:14, "Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)" > wrote: > > > (Pardon the continued hijack) > > Likewise. ;^) > > > From my analysis, the key metric in market position

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On 16 July, 16:14, "Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)" wrote: > (Pardon the continued hijack) Likewise. ;^) > From my analysis, the key metric in market position is acceleration, > not total downloads, comments or anything else. I respectfully disagree... if this were the case there wouldn't be n

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

@John very interesting I have a few apps with several tens of thousands of downloads but now unpublished. But later I will republish them. That would give a lot of acceleration (depending how they calculate it)... Will report back when I republish! On 16 July 2010 17:14, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

(Pardon the continued hijack) >From my analysis, the key metric in market position is acceleration, not total downloads, comments or anything else. A good example is the new Fox app. It zoomed into the #2 slot in overall popularity after two days on the market. Why? Acceleration. It went from zer

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

No, the app just above mine in the search result has a rating of less than 3, and had something like 3 comments. Mine has more than 100 comments. I checked when the last update of that application was done, and that was something like 200 hours ago, and mine was updated about 100 hours ago. My app

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Not in my case. All these visible metrics are in my app's favour (compared to apps immediately above): Rating Downloads Number of ratings Number of comments Number of comments recently The only things I can think of is the feedback the user gives when uninstalling or the Active Installs %... On

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

There could be all sorts of reasons for this. For example, google may be increasing the visibility on the app based on user comment activity and detail views, so even a lot of 'This sucks' comments helps it out. Do these crapps with better visibility have a lot more comments? On Fri, Jul 16, 2010

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Probably not, I updated my application less than 1 week ago, and had another release a month prior to that. On 16 Juli, 10:16, Mark Carter wrote: > (Also, apologies for continuing the tangential discussion) > > Same thing happening to one of my apps. Even though the download count > is increasin

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

(Also, apologies for continuing the tangential discussion) Same thing happening to one of my apps. Even though the download count is increasing healthily (and a 4.5 rating), I think its because I haven't updated it for a couple of months. Could that be it? On Jul 16, 8:41 am, Kaj Bjurman wrote:

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

(Sorry for the hijacking) I don't agree at all. I don't have a clue on how Google apply their sorting, but the result is neither sorted by rating nor downloads. I got an app with 4.39 in rating, and about 77000 downloads. I now did a market search of parts of my application name, and my applicati

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Feel your pain, my app has an average rating of 4.28 with 3000+ downloads and 1300+ installs and it still appears way way low after all kinds of total crap. On Jul 16, 6:25 am, Wayne Wenthin wrote: > This is not entirely correct.   I have an app rated at 3.5 + stars and there > are tons of crap

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I think another thing that is missing is the ability to see the ratings of users that rated it but didn't comment. But then we have hijacked this thread so I'm gonna be quiet now. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Jonas Petersson wrote: > On 07/16/2010 01:31 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) wr

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On 07/16/2010 01:31 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) wrote: One thing that mitigates the occasional unhappy and misinformed user is time. Once your app has been on the market for a while, those comments won't affect your overall rating nor your position in the popularity rankings. All you have

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

One thing that mitigates the occasional unhappy and misinformed user is time. Once your app has been on the market for a while, those comments won't affect your overall rating nor your position in the popularity rankings. All you have to be is patient and keep working to improve your app. Our app "

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On 07/16/2010 12:25 AM, Wayne Wenthin wrote: This is not entirely correct. I have an app rated at 3.5 + stars and there are tons of crapware above me because I have less downloads. (and probably because I'm not ripping off disney either but that was in another thread) I would tend to agree on

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

This is not entirely correct. I have an app rated at 3.5 + stars and there are tons of crapware above me because I have less downloads. (and probably because I'm not ripping off disney either but that was in another thread) On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Greg Donald wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:39 PM, TreKing wrote: > Your definition of "filter" confuses me. I apologize for the confusion. I meant it in the sense of "sorting" more than filtering. Low quality Android apps appear near the bottom of the lists while higher quality apps appear closer to the top. T

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Greg Donald wrote: > There is already a filter in place. Bad apps get low star ratings. Your definition of "filter" confuses me. - TreKing

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

Unfortunately, thats more of a sort, and less of a filter... Now, if we could only say "Only items 4 stars and above", thats a different story.. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Greg Donald wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mah wrote: > > at least, if they can provide a > > way to filt

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mah wrote: > at least, if they can provide a > way to filter out the crapps better. There is already a filter in place. Bad apps get low star ratings. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

I don't see any reason why Google would prohibit (or even want to prohibit) AppInventor-based apps. More applications is a good thing for the proliferation of Android -- at least, if they can provide a way to filter out the crapps better. (I'd really like it if the market app let me filter out all

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

I wouldn't think that a person should/could upload App Inventor apps to the market. I thought it would just be used to upload to your own phone. Hopefully Google will add a filter for AppInventor apps. Stephen On Jul 14, 12:13 pm, TreKing wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Nicolas wrote

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor to Market

To be able to upload an application to the market, you need to sign it (http://developer.android.com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html) On Jul 13, 1:26 pm, Nicolas wrote: > Hi there, > > I have created an app with the app inventor and now I would like to > upload the application to the android ma

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

Interesting article on the topic in the NYT's: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/12/technology/12google.html?src=busln Especially this paragraph: "The tool is Web-based except for a small software download that automatically syncs the programs created on a personal computer, connected to the applic

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor

Neliz, don't worry. No silver bullets exists. There will be always significant limitations and it will be easy for simple tasks an unusable for anything more advanced. What I didn't catch is what is output of this app? Is it Eclipse project? Or APK with huge runtime? Unfortunately I have 1.6 devi

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

My initial reaction to this is slight annoyance. I feel undermined! Us developers spend hours, days, weeks, getting to grips with the technologies Android offers and then Google makes these things available to any old non-programmer. I'm hoping it isn't as easy to use as it makes out. Or am I mis

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

> > Everyone should remember that when this was introduced a couple months ago > it was for educational use only. Thats why they ask you about your school. > Those that are not part of an educational institution may not get anything. > I should have put down that I was affiliated with "The School

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Wayne Wenthin wrote: > Everyone should remember that when this was introduced a couple months ago > it was for educational use only.  Thats why they ask you about your school. > Those that are not part of an educational institution may not get anything. Yeah, it w

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor

Everyone should remember that when this was introduced a couple months ago it was for educational use only. Thats why they ask you about your school. Those that are not part of an educational institution may not get anything. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mark Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Indicator Veritatis wrote: > Check your spam trap(s). 3 hours is too long. It was probably sent, > but 'recognized' as spam. It's been ~12 hours here, and it is not in my spam trap. Courtesy of the influx of publicity, I would imagine they are simply swamped. --

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

Check your spam trap(s). 3 hours is too long. It was probably sent, but 'recognized' as spam. On Jul 12, 6:13 am, Georgi Bulanov wrote: > I am waiting for account approval for it :) ,  3 hours and still nothing :( > > On 12 July 2010 15:59, Yahel wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I'm surprised nobody t

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

One interesting thing I am wondering is, is it able to enable a new and more convenient way to design the GUI of android app? All of us are aware that the integrated GUI designer inside eclipse is relatively bad, especially comparing with the tool in Apple toolchain and QT designer. When I first s

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor

While it may not be very well suited to the core audience of this mailing list, I do think it has a place as a product. And even if it didn't, it's certainly a cool tech demo in my opinion. I think it might be most useful to analysts and user experience designers that are working on Android proje

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

There is an article about it on ZDNet. I have to admit I am suspicious: I have seen such projects fail to offer what is promised too often in the past to believe the glowing description of App Inventor on ZDNet -- or in Google Labs. As they pointed out in the ZDNet talkbacks: app development is ha

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

> Hi all, > > I'm surprised nobody talked about that new google lab product : > > http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/ > > It's seems a lot more polished and easy to use than the eclipse > plugin. I guess people will comment more when it's available to the general public, but yeah, it sounds g

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

Not really sure who this is aimed at. For developers it's too trivial, for users of course you'd use Tasker :) >From AppInventor: "You can write apps that use the phone features of an Android phone. You can write an app that periodically texts "missing you" to your loved ones, or an app "No Text

Re: [android-developers] Re: App Inventor

Once you convince non-programmers that they are programmers, the quality of the apps decreases significantly. Microsoft was, at one time, a master of this approach (VB, VBA, button clicking programming GUI's) and it was extremely successful in driving adoption among the masses. App Inventor would

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

I assume the output of this tool is a standard project, is that correct? So this tool could be used to generate the base and then it could be enhanced using Java skills and Android knowledge? That would be pretty useful for the beginner. I'd love to see what could be made out of the thing. -John C

[android-developers] Re: App Inventor

I just checked it out... Even though it is a simplified version of android development, I still don't see the "average" smartphone / android (non-developer) end user being able to do this or the have patience to do it. It looks easier to use than the SDK plugin, the SDK gives you much more contro