Re: [android-developers] Announcing First MP3 OGG Recorder for Android

2010-01-14 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 04:23, Hunter Peress hunt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Folks

 Just released the first MP3 recorder available on Android:


 Did you have to pay for a licence ?
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Re: [android-developers] Re: what is a suitable upper limit for application size?

2010-01-08 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 15:43, ian stilbit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the interesting suggestion, although it sounds a little
 technical for my limited expertise.

 I don't like the idea of the users having to download all that data
 every time they use my program. That basically turns the app into just
 a web site, sort of.

 I could probably shrink it all from 15 to 5MB with only a minor loss
 of quality and content.

 If this limit is only a problem with 1.5 and 1.6 , and the first
 Android phones in Canada are Droids, then I suppose I just have to
 upgrade my program to 2.0 and hope nothing breaks.


A lot of android apps use this technique : download images to SD card on
first run (in fact if it detects data is not there on the card). You get a
popup asking if ok to download. This is a one time download, not every time
you use the app.
Even in android platform, text to speech data has to be downloaded before it
can be used (depending on the phones... this is true for space limited G1,
and also for my french Magic).

Anyway, I consider application using more than 3MB as big ones, and more
than 5MB as very big ones. 15MB is a no-go, even if it worked ok at download
time from market.
And this is with a HTC Magic. G1 users with half the internal memory would
be even more reluctent to install such big apps.

Future android release  will allow installation of apps on sdcard (2.1 does
not), which could allow bigger apks

Also note that having separated apk and data allows upgrade of one whithout
re-downloading the other. Else, any upgrade of your app, even minor, would
imply the re-download of 15MB from market.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Failed to fetch URL https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/repository.xml

2009-12-04 Thread Cédric Berger
2009/10/29 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com:
 2009/10/29 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com:
 I can't download through a proxy requiring authentication.

 I had to select force http, and put user/password for proxy in JVM
 command line. This way I can get the list of available updates.
 But when trying to download, it stays stuck (looks like it waits for
 user/password, but no prompt).


 Oh in fact it is ok. Through a second proxy (with authentication too)
 it worked. Looks like the first proxy (a bit more restrictive) blocked
 the downloading url. (I could not check why since the URL is not
 shown)


What is the download URL ?
Because I still have problems with the proxy I use. I can download
updates metadata, but when trying to install, it hangs.
I suspect the proxy blocks the download URL (but not
http://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/repository.xml )... how
can I check what this download url is  (so I could ask for correction
in the proxy rules) ?

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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of task switcher ?

2009-11-27 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 14:34, pink 444 pnk...@gmail.com wrote:


Why is task switcher(Which appears when we press home button
 for long time) provided.

We have application launcher ,from where we can launch any
 applications.

 What is interesting is you do not have to go back to Home. (which would
have to come back in memory which can be really resource consuming -ie. if
it had been killed due to low memory-)

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Users complaining of app running in background after it finishes executing Boot BroadcastReceiver

2009-11-26 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 08:09, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:16 PM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Ironically, I hate task killers in the hands of muppets, but as a
 developer I occasionally find them useful for removing all traces of
 my own apps from memory during testing. Go figure.


 You can use Manage Applications to go to your app and hit the Force Stop
 button.  (Which should have much better feedback etc. :p)



At least on 1.6, Manage Applications is really too slow to construct the app
list (especially when you are running low on resources).
But I am now using Apps organizer which does a good job to list/tag the
applications, and allow to go to application details (where Force Stop
button is), so that I can skip  Manage Applications list...

On a side note, Apps organizer shortcuts on desktop do a really better job
(lazy loading) than regular folders, because folders seem to get
reconstructed each time the Home app restarts -if it was killed due to low
memory-, and it takes forever when you have a lot of folders.
I wish I could also drop the drawer Launcher, which also take so long to
reconstruct each time (can't it save a cache on file system ?). (for example
Apps organizer reconstruct of total apps list, even from cold start, is 10x
faster...)


On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 08:10, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:

 2009/11/25 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com

 And what about asking / helping task managers developers to improve their
 apps, so that they show more relevant (and understandable) information ?


 Android 2.0's Running Services UI is a much more appropriate solution.

 I look forward to have 2.0 on my Magic



And thanks for all your insightful info, Dianne !

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Users complaining of app running in background after it finishes executing Boot BroadcastReceiver

2009-11-25 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 00:52, Artem - WorkSmart Labs p.ar...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes, Dianne, they are using Advanced Task Killers, and I fully share
 your sentiment for those apps -- it makes our app look evil, even when
 it's trying to behave very well :)


And what about asking / helping task managers developers to improve their
apps, so that they show more relevant (and understandable) information ?
So that users can easily know which apps are still in memory, but also which
ones are not  doing anything and will be purged by the system when needed.


Sorry if I still misunderstand, but I admit I am still not completely at
clear about how the system exactly manages memory/processes, regarding exact
priorities of what it will kill first. Where is it detailed in the docs ?

- when will it decide to purge a stopped activity, or background processes
? I can often see background processes killed, but it looks like (not really
sure) there still was some inactive activities in memory. Though I guess
that for exemple an application such as the one discussed in this thread
probably has the best priority for being killed ?

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Users complaining of app running in background after it finishes executing Boot BroadcastReceiver

2009-11-25 Thread Cédric Berger
2009/11/26 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com


 Sorry if I still misunderstand, but I admit I am still not completely at
 clear about how the system exactly manages memory/processes, regarding exact
 priorities of what it will kill first. Where is it detailed in the docs ?

 - when will it decide to purge a stopped activity, or background processes
 ? I can often see background processes killed, but it looks like (not really
 sure) there still was some inactive activities in memory. Though I guess
 that for exemple an application such as the one discussed in this thread
 probably has the best priority for being killed ?


Well sorry, after re-reading I guess
http://dev.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html#proclife may cover
this part of my questionings

Problem is to have a good insight of what happens on your phone. I do use
Advanced Task manager to try to have infos, but it still lacks too much
infos. I would like to see :
- memory  used by listed apps (I can only know after killing them)
- for each app, number of processes and their state (active, background,
stopped,...)
- since it seems to be relevant, last used order (since LRU is used to kill
 processes)
- info about what caused the start of a process (user interaction, which
system event,...)
- ideally, be able to have some kind of history of what recently happened
(processes launched, killed,...)

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Saving service killing without startForeground

2009-11-20 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 14:53, dadical keyes...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you're running on a G1, and have even low-mid memory reqs, you are
 pretty much SOL.  Android will kill off processes to free resources
 for new foreground activities, and services, particularly those
 running in a background process, will get axed first.  Watch logcat in
 verbose mode to validate that this is indeed what is happening.

 Things are going to get even worse for you in 1.6.  Donut itself
 consumes more memory leaving less room for your background service.
 Once a foreground activity is bound to your service, the service will
 be much less likely to get killed, so your only option in low-mem
 scenarios may be to check at binding time and see if your persistent
 connection is available, and reconnect if not.  This approach is the
 best solution that I can think of for gracefully degrading the
 functionality of your service in low-mem situations.


Indeed on my magic, logcat often shows that background processes were
killed while booting due too low memory, even before I could do
anything. (yes I am trying to reduce as much unuseful apps as
possible... what is bad is theses apps I do not need to autostart
though I do not want to uninstall).

But if your service process is killed due to low memory, won't the
system try to restart it later ? (though of course if there are still
too many services running there is still a problem)

And anyway, your could at boot time just set an alarm to defer the
initialisation of your service. So that a lot of processes that where
running at boot time will have finished and more resources are
available.
You may also still try to do your job immediatly, but before that set
an alarm in case of. (But in case of low memory this will just slow
down the phone at startup, for nothing.)

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[android-developers] Re: Alarm is canceled if app is stopped

2009-11-18 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 18:53, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:

 I'm not sure which UI you are talking about.  The force stop button that
 has been around since 1.5 does everything we have been talking about:
 killing processes, unregistering alarms, etc.  The new running services UI
 -only- stops a service, doesn't kill a process or anything else, because
 that is all that is needed to free up that process to be available to the
 system.


So now that (I think) I understand what this force stop is really
about (completely and definitely stopping an app) :

Are there situations where it is done by the system (automatically) ?
(ie. in case it is too low on memory).
Or can I be sure that when it is the system that kills Services, it
never does anything else (such as unregistering alarms) ? And in this
case, will such a stopped service be restarted automatically, or only
if it took care of such a situation (by ex. with a watchdog alarm
which will eventually restart it if stopped).

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Alarm is canceled if app is stopped

2009-11-18 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:45, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 2009/11/18 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com

 Are there situations where it is done by the system (automatically) ?
 (ie. in case it is too low on memory).

 Nope, definitely never ever.  The user must explicitly request this.


 Or can I be sure that when it is the system that kills Services, it
 never does anything else (such as unregistering alarms) ?

 By definition it does everything described: kill all processes, stop all
 services, unregister all alarms, remove all notifications.  And possibly
 more, too.


I meant not when the user requested it, but when the system went
really too low on memory : as I understand the system  may eventually
have to kill some services (even if it is not a full force stop) ?
(And if not, what happens when it is really too short on memory ?)

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Re: [android-developers] Ruby for Android

2009-11-18 Thread Cédric Berger
maybe check http://rhohub.com/

On Tuesday, November 17, 2009, TCBlues tcbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there any way to develop applications on Ruby for Android?

 thank you

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Alarm is canceled if app is stopped

2009-11-17 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 00:07, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 If you kill the process, it will not impact the alarms, the same as it won't
 impact notifications etc.

 What these programs are doing is using the API that is tended to force stop
 -everything- about the application: stop all services, cancel all alarms,
 remove all notifications, etc.  This is all working as intended, the apps
 are just abusing this API to cause things to happen that you probably don't
 want to have done.


Wouldn't it be better if task killer, at least by default, just kill
all processes instead of using this API that completely kill/remove
apps ?

(Though I think it would still be helpful to be able to completely
kill some applications, just that task killer have to be more explicit
in this case, and require the user to clearly ask to)

Current situation is not really user friendly. It is really hard to
understand which applications are really running, which ones are off
but will be waken up by alarms and when, 
Especially with our restrained device resources, a good task manager
is much needed (both to report apps usage, and to be able to control
them if needed).

(And of course I truly agree that a lot of apps do use resources
needlessly -autostart with no useful reason, always running process
when they could just be triggered up on some events,...-)

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RE : [android-developers] Re: Alarm is canceled if app is stopped

2009-11-17 Thread Cédric Berger
In fact if you can have more control in 2.0, this will just help to not have
all this task killers used so blindlessly by everyone.
So removing this API will be become less important. And this one still may
be usefull in some cases. Just have to be used more wisely.

thanks dianne for the explanation.
And indeed memory is generally the main reason I find myself killing apps.
If not, not only the phone slows down, but it may start killing other
process to reclaim memory,ones I do want to be on

ps. sorry if I am top posting, mailing from Android does not offer too much
choices :-p

Le 18 nov. 2009 04:54, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com a écrit :

On Nov 17, 7:43 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:  I will
probably make this API a ...
+1

Especially with the Running Services UI in 2.0, I'd suggest this is
the best solution.

String

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Re: [android-developers] ADP2 Coming

2009-11-13 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 15:36, Fred Grott(Android Expert,
http://mobilebytes.wordpress.com) fred.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
 ADP2 is coming Brightstar just announced it:

 http://www.rcrnewsdirectory.com/pressrelease.aspx?id=325512

So given the description this may well be a HTC Magic (Ion) ?

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Re: [android-developers] Re: ADP2 Coming

2009-11-13 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 15:49, zero zeroo...@googlemail.com wrote:
 hmm, basically a magic with new rom ?


The latest ROM as available now for the Ion . Looks like it is just
the Ion available for all developers

http://www.frandroid.com/6843/adp2-le-nouveau-telephone-de-developpement/

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[android-developers] Re: Failed to fetch URL https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/repository.xml

2009-10-29 Thread Cédric Berger

I can't download through a proxy requiring authentication.

I had to select force http, and put user/password for proxy in JVM
command line. This way I can get the list of available updates.
But when trying to download, it stays stuck (looks like it waits for
user/password, but no prompt).

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[android-developers] Re: Failed to fetch URL https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/repository.xml

2009-10-29 Thread Cédric Berger

2009/10/29 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com:
 I can't download through a proxy requiring authentication.

 I had to select force http, and put user/password for proxy in JVM
 command line. This way I can get the list of available updates.
 But when trying to download, it stays stuck (looks like it waits for
 user/password, but no prompt).


Oh in fact it is ok. Through a second proxy (with authentication too)
it worked. Looks like the first proxy (a bit more restrictive) blocked
the downloading url. (I could not check why since the URL is not
shown)

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[android-developers] Re: SAR(Specific Absorption Rate) values of Android phones on the market

2009-10-16 Thread Cédric Berger

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 21:46, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote:

 The FCC IDs of phones, hyperlinked to the FCC filings, are on
 phonescoop.com. Just search for the phones you want.


I do not know if you care, but for european phones :
models/frequencies may be different, and SAR is not mesured the same
way.
(US : W/kg over 1g of tissue / EU : W/kg averaged on 10g of tissue)
Also, maximum allowed is different (US : 1.6 W/kg,  EU : 2 W/kg )

European law imposes SAR (DAS in french) values to be shown to
buyers in specifications. So you may just check on sellers websites
(ex. providers : sfr , orange , bouygues , )

Note that though the HTC Dream (G1) is reported with the same SAR in
US and france (1.11 W/kg),
the Sapphire is not : in US  the HTC MyTouch 3G has SAR = 1.55 W/kg
In France the HTC Magic  has SAR = 0.95 W/kg
A bit weird...

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[android-developers] Re: Listen from google labs

2009-10-05 Thread Cédric Berger

 On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Andrei gml...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I do adb logcat I see debug messages from Google Labs Listen app
 I thought they recommend we remove debug logs for release.
 They also print my email in log, which might be security problem?


So questions raised are :
- how much does debug logs impact performance.
- is sensible data in logs a security problem ? (my guess is not
really because normal apps do not have permission to read it, but
beware when you send crash reports to developers, when they include
logs -including other apps logs-)

Note that I appreciate debug log in all apps I install since I can
have a hint at what is happening in my phone. Very often running
logcat helps finding applications consuming resources when you would
not need it. Or it just helps configuring them better.

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[android-developers] Re: Samsung Galaxy isn´t workin g after update - whole system error!!!

2009-10-05 Thread Cédric Berger

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 18:25, Nox v.beh...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 A few minutes ago I have updated my Samsung Galaxy with the New PC
 Studio for Germany (not Android 1.6!!!).

What did you update ? Whole android version ?



 Do you know what to do now???


Can't you try to redo the update ? Or reinstall previous version ?
Check if you have a recovery procedure documented somewhere.

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[android-developers] Re: ADC2 submissions and Android 1.6 (Donut)

2009-10-04 Thread Cédric Berger

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 19:15, Georgios Galyfos yorg...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am sorry for asking this. I assume the developers taking part in the
 challenge are allowed to judge in the contest, but this way they would be
 allowed to judge even their own app, right? I havent used the judging app
 yet, being afraid to risk disqualification of my entry. The terms dont state
 explicitly anywhere if the developers who have entered apps in the contest
 are allowed to judge.
 please someone let me know about this. I have made an app for the contest
 and I really want to see what the other apps of the challenge are.
 cheers

I cannot tell officially, but I am quite sure you can vote.
And in these mailing lists, you can see a lot of developers with ADC2
apps who said they tested/voted for ADC2 apps.

Anyway, if you still fear voting, just install/test apps and then do
skip voting. Though I think you should vote the more voters, the
better for the contest.

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[android-developers] Re: ADC2 submissions and Android 1.6 (Donut)

2009-10-02 Thread Cédric Berger

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 16:18, polyclefsoftware dja...@gmail.com wrote:

 it is poorly designed, or because of compatibility issues with 1.6. I
 gave the developers the benefit of the doubt and gave the app an
 overall 3 star rating.

Best (fairest) thing to do when you suspect behavior may have been
impacted by Donut, is to just skip voting for it.

This way your vote won't count at all and those with cupcake will
still vote for the real cupcake behavior.
And this should still leave plenty of applications working ok with
Donut that you can vote for.

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[android-developers] Re: Issue in broadcasting SMS through Android

2009-10-01 Thread Cédric Berger

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:25, Nainos nainos.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!

 There seems to be a limit to the number of SMS that can be sent
 programmatically. It seems to be hovering around 70 to 100 messages.
 After a batch of messages, when I try to resend a batch I get a
 warning message A large number of SMS are being sent. Press OK to
 continue or Cancel to stop sending This requires user intervention
 and impedes the program from sending SMS.

 Is there a way around this error message? Maybe a way to turn off the
 warnings?



I guess cell phone providers would not want such a warning to be removed.
Just like you cannot change the sms application behaviour which limits
an sms message to 3 sms, and then converts to mms.

(And also for example in my case (french SFR network), the contract
specified illimited sms, but not automatically sent sms)

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[android-developers] Re: Now ADC2 judging has begun.

2009-09-30 Thread Cédric Berger

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 18:01, Flo rehf...@gmail.com wrote:


 I posess a G, too and during my reviews I had only 2% working from the
 first time, 50% with 2 to 6 attempts and remaining ~48% with far too
 many cancel/download/cancel/download iterations, that really stops me
 from judging better.

 Short POLL: Do you face this issue, too [or not?] ?

Yes, with my magic it fails (I do not think it worked directly form
adc2 app even once...). I always have to go to manual install,
cancel / download (and in many occasions it even brings me back to
home and does not start so I must go back to market-my downloads and
cancel/install again). And this is case in gprs, edge, 3g or wifi. But
now I got used to it

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[android-developers] Re: ADC2 submissions and Android 1.6 (Donut)

2009-09-30 Thread Cédric Berger

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:58, b2amedina b2amed...@gmail.com wrote:
 If the rumors are true and Donut does become available next week won't
 that make judging unfair since some judges may be using 1.6

 The 1.6 SDK was made available on Sept 15 and the ADC2 submissions
 closed Aug 30th.


Donut is already available for developer phones ADP1 and Ion.
I hope developers making the update and judging apps are wise enough
to skip voting for apps crashing, since they can't tell if it would
have worked on cupcake.

But for other phones I have not seen yet real rumors for a release
next week. I doubt an OTA update will be rolled out before the end of
this judging round.

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[android-developers] zipalign : could be done at distribution or installation time ?

2009-09-28 Thread Cédric Berger

I just noticed about zipalign
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/zipalign.html

This optimization is to be done after the apk is done / signed.

Does this mean that zipalign may be run by the Market itself ?
Or even by android at install time on the phone ?

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[android-developers] Re: Now ADC2 judging has begun.

2009-09-25 Thread Cédric Berger

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:07, Beowolve beowo...@gmail.com wrote:
 A normal user will not find the ADC2 judging application. I have two
 guys

- I could not see the judging application by just browsing the market.
I only found it making a search on challenge. (from french SFR
phone).
Is it me or is it kind of hidden ? (not in a category ?)

- BTW looks like it is not localized... my phone is in French locale
but Judging application is in english.

- I thought the judging application indicated you could come back to
your ratings. Is it possible ? and how ?
Because you could really want re-evaluate your ratings after making
other votes, to be more consistent in your way or rating them, or
realize you completely missed the point on a given application (or for
example did not understand it would only be useful with GPS on, and
you evaluated in your basement...), ...

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[android-developers] Re: OpenGL 2D Game Framework

2009-09-22 Thread Cédric Berger

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:28, Dan Sherman impact...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not too knowledgable on the LGPL, but the Mozilla license would be
 something to look into.


Apache license (same as Android code license) may be the best choice.

And this would also allow for easy inclusion of some of this code
directly into android if ever needed.

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[android-developers] Re: using tesseract on android

2009-09-21 Thread Cédric Berger

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 16:36, mudit mudit.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello..

 i am working on a android project that uses tesseract OCR engines..i
 hv been searching on internet from past few days about any support for
 tesseract for android platform..but i didnt get any help...Plz help me
 about how i do use tesseract for android platform...or how do i
 install it on android..


check :
http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/3bd4e2551f1382e6?hl=en
http://www.itwizard.ro/

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[android-developers] Re: Intercepting SQLite's file reads / writes, so we can encrypt the storage

2009-09-18 Thread Cédric Berger

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 20:10, Chris Stratton cs07...@gmail.com wrote:

 But practically speaking, I suspect cloning the whole SQlite system
 into the appliction, or replacing it with the mentioned java HSQLDB
 might be more workable.

Also have a look to project http://sqljet.com/ which looks like a java
implementation of sqlite (though not complete yet)


SQLJet is an independent pure Java open source implementation of the
SQLite core functionality. SQLJet provides API to create, read and
modify SQLite databases, but not to execute SQL queries yet.

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[android-developers] Re: Which platform will our ADC2 apps run on?

2009-09-07 Thread Cédric Berger

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 22:42, Robert Greenrbgrn@gmail.com wrote:

 It just occured to me today that while we targeted 1.5 as the platform
 for your ADC2 apps, they may be running on 1.6.  That led me to wonder
 about this situation:

 What if there is a critical bug in the game/app that didn't exist in
 1.5 but does on 1.6?  Is that fair to judge without being able to fix
 the bug for the specific platform?

That's why I doubt google will release a donut update before the end
of this first user voting phase...

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[android-developers] Re: Hmm... at last ADC2 is out of our way ... tell about your app and experience

2009-09-02 Thread Cédric Berger

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 09:58, Anton Pirkeran...@ignaz.at wrote:

 Does anyone know if there is the possibility to upload a newer versions
 between the two judging rounds? (like it was in ADC1)
 Please, just ignore this bug. If we win some money we can implement all
 the features we had to cut out for the sake of making the deadline!


Updates are not allowed, but I would think that also publishing a
corrected/enhanced version (free) on the market can help even for
votes in ADC2.
As a voter, if I see some bugs / missing features but I also can test
the up-to-date version and see that these problems are quickly and
correctly addressed, no doubt I will tend to rate the app better.

Anyway, I am sure you will have more luck saying there still have
some known bad bugs : [...] but note that they are already corrected
in latest version as you can check from Market instead of only
Please, just ignore this bug
 (of course market version has to be free, even if limited version)

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[android-developers] Re: Hmm... at last ADC2 is out of our way ... tell about your app and experience

2009-09-02 Thread Cédric Berger

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 06:03, CraigsRacecraig...@gmail.com wrote:

 I decided to enter the competition 2 months ago.  I started working on
 my entry by reusing code from 3 other projects that I had done
 before.

I just hope your application won't be rejected as just an upgrade of
the existing one...

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[android-developers] Re: This bug is costing us money every month

2009-08-04 Thread Cédric Berger

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 15:30, Disconnectdc.disconn...@gmail.com wrote:
 He says, in so many words, that:
  in my company, we have G2's as professional phones, and we
  ALL get that charges every month (most of us don't live in the country
  we are working in).

 ..thats how I know. Because he told me.


Anyway, what phone are we talking about ?
G2 is how the HTC Magic (Sapphire / Ion / mytouch 3g) have often been
called (and still is), since the beginning (about may, 5th in UK,
france,...)

No matter this is not its real name TMobile selling another phone
named G2 is going to cause a LOT of such confusion in forums :-(

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[android-developers] Re: This bug is costing us money every month

2009-08-04 Thread Cédric Berger

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 16:33, Disconnectdc.disconn...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...so if I start calling the htc touch pro mcdonalds that makes it
 correct, and mcdonald's is the one causing confusion?

 Yeah, I don't think so.. just because you decide the magic/mytouch is the g2
 doesn't make it so. Especially when the actual g2 has been released. (Esp
 since the trademark was filed everywhere, so it was patently obvious that
 they had a g2 coming and this wasn't it..)


- It is not about me deciding anything, nor original poster, but about
a lot of people, blogs, news sites, newspapers,... (mistakenly, ok)
calling it G2.
- no I never said that it makes it the correct name.
- I said that it will cause confusion, I did not blame TMobile
though anyway I might have, not a big deal. They decided of a name
after this G2 name was already (incorrectly) used quite a lot.
Just confusing.
And this comes after they investigated about several names for the
myTouch 3G... can't say they did not think about the matter !

Good luck for users looking for help for their mobile and googling G2 .
Try to google even for Tmobile G2... only gets better with TMobile G2 Touch

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[android-developers] Re: Is there a way to auto-power on the phone?

2009-07-24 Thread Cédric Berger

Would be a good addition for future.
But note that compared to most other phones, power on from total
shutdown is quite long.

What would be good is an option to go to hibernate (not only sleep).
Even without programmed wake up, this would allow to shutdown your
phone and start it up again without :
1-waiting for whole boot process (if you need to make an emergency
call I imagine how frustrating this would be ! -Maybe an easy boot
option to have just emergency calls available ASAP would be a nice
addition-)
2-loosing your context (the application you were running,...)

And totally shutdown the phone is useful when you want to really use 0
battery for some time, you want to pull off the battery (extract SIM,
put a spare battery).

- As of now, is it possible to force Android to sleep (even if only
to RAM), so that it does nothing except keep state in memory, and wake
up on button press ?


On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 03:53, Dianne Hackbornhack...@android.com wrote:
 Android doesn't do this.

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, quill quill...@163.com wrote:

 No, I really mean power off. And when I said the alarm will keep
 working after power off the phone, I don't mean G1 or G2 or any other
 android phone(I don't know if they have this function). But some other
 phones like Nokia do have this function.

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[android-developers] Re: ALL DEVELOPERS PIRATED APPLICATION ALL OVER!

2009-07-24 Thread Cédric Berger

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 00:41, Brian Conradbrianjto...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've had unlockable trial versions of software and versions which were
 crippled demos.  The crackers eventually broke or created keygens for
 the unlockable versions.  But they never broke the crippled demo version
 because they would have had to pay for a full version and that is
 definitely something they won't do.  IOW, don't do unlockable trial
 versions.


Won't protect since it's free to get the full version and refund before 24h

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[android-developers] Re: Android Market :: Free application gets to top of pile on new release, paid app doesn't?

2009-07-07 Thread Cédric Berger

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 02:19, Rob  Franzrob.fr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Say I have two apps - one free, one paid.

 I release updates to both.  The free one is at the top of the list,
 but the paid one is down in the depths of the list.  That kind of
 sucks.

 Is this really how it works?  Or is something temporarily broken.


Probably the free one has more downloads / comments, so is considered
more popular.

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[android-developers] Re: Google docs on HTC Magic (poss all gphones)

2009-07-03 Thread Cédric Berger

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 08:38, chris.compochris.co...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi All

 I am using a Htc Magic, I can access my docs ok but when I tried to
 edit a shared spreadsheet from the phone I could not do it, it viewed
 perfectly.


 Is it possible to edit from phone? should it be ? could it be as would
 really help me loads...

I do not know what is supposed to be editable in Docs.
But I could edit spreadsheets. (I did not try with a lot of docs, but
it for example worked with a spreadsheet which had been created by the
MyTracks application)
In the spreadsheet, there is a + Add button on top to add a new row,
or when you touch a row it becomes editable (each column is an
editable field), with a Submit button to validate.

I could not edit text document though ! Only spreadsheets...

(I did this with a Magic too. No need for hard keyboard.)


Did you try with another doc ? Are you sure you had rights to edit
this shared spreadsheet ??

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[android-developers] Re: Google docs on HTC Magic (poss all gphones)

2009-07-03 Thread Cédric Berger

2009/7/3 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com:

 I could not edit text document though ! Only spreadsheets...


Note thats was with language set as English-US, but to be sure I have
also just tested with French, and I could edit too.

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[android-developers] Re: Google docs on HTC Magic (poss all gphones)

2009-07-03 Thread Cédric Berger

2009/7/3 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com:
 2009/7/3 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com:

 I could not edit text document though ! Only spreadsheets...


Is there any help documentation about these google docs features from
android browser ?



I can only edit values (text, numbers), not formulas. I can also
change the column on which to sort.

I could not add a column either (adding a row worked).


- Here is a little example I just created from my PC. I then edited
it from my phone, adding text in the second column, changing 1 number,
and creating a second row, with 1 text cell.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An31aqh2F15ycm9FZlpfZHl4U1p4d1Z2V0FCN3FLZmchl=en
(not shared with edit rights, so do not try to edit this one...)

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[android-developers] Re: What is the differences between GPS start and GPS enable?

2009-06-08 Thread Cédric Berger
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:47, Nio luodali...@gmail.com wrote:



  Which UI is used to start GPS?  I am not clearly understand why
 android to designed GPS so. If GPS is not started, then you can't use
 Enable GPS satellites to receive any data and it is useless.

 I think that if the UI Enable GPS satellites is used to start GPS
 and also run the GPS thread is better? What is the trigger to start
 GPS?

 Enable GPS satellites just mean you allow GPS to be used by applications,
if an application requires it.
For example if you open Google Maps application, GPS will be started. But
only if Enable GPS satellites is checked.

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[android-developers] Re: Click from browser to open the android market application

2009-06-08 Thread Cédric Berger

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 14:52, GiladH gila...@gmail.com wrote:

 hey guys,

 it there a way (possibly using javaScript) to define an html button
 that will, once
 clicked,  to open the android market application (the one with
 greenish icon) ?

just use url like this : market://search/?q=pname:com.xxx.

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[android-developers] Re: Adding Turn by Turn directions to google maps

2009-06-04 Thread Cédric Berger

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 08:12, chrispix chris...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would really like to incorporate turn-by-turn directions to our
 application, but it appears to be against the TOS. Is there any way to
 get permission from Google to allow this for our application? I have
 what looks like one other app allow this interface. Thanks,


I guess Google could not grant you permission, because themselves use
data from others (ex tomtom...) but with no right for turn by turn
navigation. This would compete with these providers' business : they
also use/sell their maps for GPS navigation tools.

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[android-developers] Re: Adding Turn by Turn directions to google maps

2009-06-04 Thread Cédric Berger

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 17:32, chrispix chris...@gmail.com wrote:

 So how is it that other applications are able to incorporate google
 maps w/ turn by turn directions?

 Do you know of any 3rd party open source navigation sites? I found
 one, but it appears to be Europe only, was based on open street map.


I guess you found AndNav2 .  There should be a US server now (a new
version was published these days)

Other applications use proprietary maps, they pay for it. (or they own
it). Maybe some can show position on google maps data, but use their
own data for calculation.

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[android-developers] Re: Installing the USB driver for HTC Magic on Vista

2009-05-22 Thread Cédric Berger

2009/5/21 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com

 took me a LOT of trials before it worked !

 I finally have this rule and it is OK (did not have to edit user groups on my 
 system):

 SYSFS{idVendor}==0bb4, SYSFS{idProduct}==0c02, MODE=0666, 
 GROUP=plugdev

this was in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-android.rules

But it seems to also work like this : (method for Ubuntu 9.04 :
http://www.frandroid.com/2371/ubuntu-904-et-android/  )
- in /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules :
SUBSYSTEM==”usb”, SYSFS{idVendor}==”0bb4, MODE=”0666


Also take care if you copy/paste this rule : looks like double quotes
() may be wrongly copied from html page, and then it did not work for
me before I retyped them.

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[android-developers] Re: How to solve G1/HTC Magic not recognized by ADB under Windows

2009-05-21 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:22, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote:

 5) Hey presto... the device is now there :) :) :).

 Thanks to everyone who helped fix this.

 Al.



cool.

I had asked HTC if they had drivers...

their answer :-( :


You recently wrote us about an issue that you have encountered with your htc
To clarify your issue, you stated that: you would like to install usb driver
in Google android SDK 1.5. – Unfortunately we do not do the developer
support and we are unable to answer your question. If the above steps do not
resolve your issue, we invite you to visit the support area on our Web site.
Please go to: http://www.htc.com/www/support.aspx 


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[android-developers] Re: Installing the USB driver for HTC Magic on Vista

2009-05-21 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 06:50, Raphael r...@android.com wrote:


 Try adding a GROUP= attribute to the rule like this:

 SUBSYSTEM==usb, ATTR{idVendor}==0bb4, MODE=0666, GROUP=plugdev


Thanks !

took me a LOT of trials before it worked !

I finally have this rule and it is OK (did not have to edit user groups on
my system):

SYSFS{idVendor}==0bb4, SYSFS{idProduct}==0c02, MODE=0666,
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[android-developers] Re: Installing the USB driver for HTC Magic on Vista

2009-05-20 Thread Cédric Berger
2009/5/20 Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com


 Make sure you have the udev rule:
  http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html#setting-up


 I have added it, but still no luck (ubuntu 64bits)



Ok, adb can list my phone only if executed with sudo.
Should the udev rule allow to avoid the need to have root access ?
Do I have to reboot after editing this udev rule ?

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[android-developers] Re: Installing the USB driver for HTC Magic on Vista

2009-05-19 Thread Cédric Berger
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 21:16, Raphael r...@android.com wrote:


 Hi guys,

 We're trying to reproduce the issue. I have a few questions for the
 few of you which still have issues:

 - Which version of Windows are you using? XP, Vista, W7, 32 or 64bit.
 - Did you *ever* install an android USB driver before? SDK 1.0/1.1 had
 one and it has been updated in 1.5.
 - When you plug the device and go to the Device Manager, is it listed
 as unknown or as an adb device?
 - Did Windows ever prompt you about installing a driver for an unknown
 device?


I tried with a windows XP sp3 32bit where I never installed android USB
driver before.
When first plugged in the phone, it automatically installed mass storage
driver, it told about it but did not ask anything.

On my other  PC under ubuntu, what do I have to do ? It does not detect
android device through adb either (can mount as an usb drive only)... (on
this PC I used to connect to my Freerunner with Android through adb and it
worked, but this was through tcp/ip)

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[android-developers] Re: Installing the USB driver for HTC Magic on Vista

2009-05-19 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:20, Raphael r...@android.com wrote:


 Does this help?

 http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/48e92dcc0a8a9a23/bbff8436bfd23ce0


I can't try with windows right now. Will try later, thanks.




 Make sure you have the udev rule:
  http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html#setting-up


I have added it, but still no luck (ubuntu 64bits)

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[android-developers] Re: Early Look Android 1.5 SDK

2009-04-15 Thread Cédric Berger

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 20:11, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.com wrote:

 The latest cupcake source drop (done a few hours ago) matches the
 preview SDK. We're working to tag it. Note that this isn't release 1.5
 of Android, it's just a code drop that matches an official preview
 SDK.

 It's not going to run on ADP1 as it lacks the proprietary files that
 are needed for that.

Does the SDK matching the source code means that we can expect google
apps binaries pulled from SDK to work with Android compiled from the
open source tree ?
(so that we could for example install them on an android port on
phones other than G1)

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[android-developers] Re: Set the DNS from an activity

2009-03-04 Thread Cédric Berger

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 14:50, Giorgio M. ledz...@writeme.com wrote:
 I use the android port on the freerunner and we have this problem.

 I have to set the DNS manually (setprop net.dns1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) each time
 from the shell, and it's very annoying...

 I'm looking for a more easy way to do it.

 Hope you can help me.


Here it should be possible since we can make change to the framework
and for example allow some more permissions at startup.

But then it is not the right mailing list I guess, since as I
understand, this list is about developing on the framework (via SDK),
not modifying it.

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[android-developers] Re: help us to sell paid apps (we are NOT from UK/US)!

2009-02-19 Thread Cédric Berger

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 18:28, nEx.Software justin.shapc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sounds an awful lot like I need to get inheritance money out of my
 country... Let me Western Union you $5,000,000USD and I'll give you
 10%. By the way I need all of your personal information to do this.
 While I'd like to think that your intentions are good, I'd not trust
 doing this for anyone. I'm going to venture a guess that this is also
 true for others.

Be cautious indeed.

Though in this case it is more the russian developpers who are at
risk, no ? : in fact they have to give their application to someone in
US so that he will sell it, under its name, and then only he is
supposed to give them back 95% of what he earned.
(Of course if this guy is asked to pay something before even selling
an app he has to be courageous :-p  )

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[android-developers] Re: help us to sell paid apps (we are NOT from UK/US)!

2009-02-19 Thread Cédric Berger

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 18:41, nEx.Software justin.shapc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess I thought it would direct to a bank account not within my
 control. If that is the case, then I would be taking on the risk as a
 developer, but getting no guaranteed monetary compensation for doing
 so. Maybe I misread it. Still sounds a bit shady to me.


Well I do not know what they are ready to accept !

Anyway, there are also taxes to pay from the money that will transit
from your account to their account... and no idea what this taxes
would be...

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[android-developers] Re: Android Market Business and Program Policies

2009-02-18 Thread Cédric Berger

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:29, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote:
 - The 24 hour returns period is still there, but it says from the time
 of purchase (not download), the developer distribution agreement says
 in 3.4; You authorize Google to give the buyer a full refund of the
 Product price if the buyer requests the refund within 48 hours after
 purchase., so is it 24 or 48 hours?

As a developper you authorize google to offer a the refund for 48h,
but they only offer a 24h to the buyer.
They are free to change this policy for the buyer as long as it is not
longer than 48h. (They can also limit to 2h if they want)



 - Google is not responsible for billing disputes arising from purchases
 on Android Market. compared to the dev distribution agreement which
 says Products sold for less than $10 may be automatically charged back
 to the Developer... so what is it, do Google do auto chargebacks or is
 it all down to the developer?

I do not know how it works exactly, but looks like it means that :
- from the user point of view, they can't dispute the payment directly
with google.
- But if google is refused a payment (refund required from the bank
?), they will just charge back the developper.

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[android-developers] Re: Marketplace Sponsorship

2009-01-26 Thread Cédric Berger
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 09:57, Cassius cassius.um...@gmail.com wrote:


 You can put your application on your web site.
 If it's useful people will download it even without the visibility
 given by the Market.


There are also other repositories on the web. You can begin from there...

(example : http://andappstore.com/ )

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