[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE 70 Call For Presentations

Colleagues, The Call for Presenations for RIPE70 in Amsterdam in May of 2015 has now opened. Please see below for details. Brian Call for Presentations A RIPE Meeting is an open event where Internet Service Providers, network operators and other interested parties get together. Although

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft AA WG Minutes - RIPE 69

-Chairs: Brian Nisbet, Tobias Knecht Scribe: Marco Hogewoning Status: Draft Brian Nisbet, WG co-chair, welcomed the attendees and apologised on behalf of Tobias Knecht who due to illness could not attend the session. A. Administrative Matters Brian apologised for the minutes of RIPE 68 being sent out

[anti-abuse-wg] Timing Change AA-WG @ RIPE71

ripe71.ripe.net Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax: +35316603666 web: http://www.heanet.ie/

[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE 71 Agenda - Third Draft

subjects they wish to bring to the working group. Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

Ronald, I'm not finding a great place to ask these questions in your conversation with Sander, so I'm going to ask them here. You said, at one point, that you did not see the point in reporting these issues, or even just specifically the AS204224 issue to the NCC. Given the investigations

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On 06/11/2015 05:09, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message <20151106003148.gx47...@cilantro.c4inet.net>, "Sascha Luck [ml]" wrote: On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:48:43PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Laugh now... while you can. Threats again, is it? I call on the chairs

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS's with route objects for undelegated space

Richard, Thanks for all of this. I had read the beginning of your earlier posts, but then got very distracted and was only reminded about them recently. I have asked Registration Services in the NCC to look at this and hopefully some light may be able to be shed or progress made. We shall

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Solving the issue of rogue ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database

Denis, On 05/11/2015 19:40, ripede...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI all I am going to have one last go at solving this problem. I challenge anyone/everyone to tell me why this is such a stupid idea, technically impossible to do, won't solve any of the issues partially or fully. Then I can shut up about

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On 06/11/2015 15:22, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 10:01:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Race wrote: The matter of the "defining discussion goal" will have to be taken up in order to make progress on this list's putative purpose of "anti-abuse." Had you read the charter of this WG,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] unsubscribe

Paul, On 06/11/2015 12:11, Paul Skram wrote: *I don't have time to read your endless bickering and insults.* *You people need to learn how to effectively communicate. If you wish to unsubscribe you can do so via: https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg Brian

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Solving the issue of rogue ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database

Denis, On 06/11/2015 11:01, denis wrote: Hi Brian On 06/11/2015 11:29, Brian Nisbet wrote: Denis, On 05/11/2015 19:40, ripede...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI all I am going to have one last go at solving this problem. I challenge anyone/everyone to tell me why this is such a stupid idea

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On 03/11/2015 14:14, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 01:49:18PM +, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:13:17PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: I would actually prefer any such proposal to come from within the regular RIPE community, rather than from one

[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE 71 Agenda -Second Draft

to bring to the working group. Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax: +35316603666 web: http://www.heanet.ie/

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC to set abuse-c for remaining organisation with ASNs or other resources allocated or assigned by the RIPE NCC

think until the end of Monday 11th January. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG On 15/12/2015 16:58, Brian Nisbet wrote: I know that we're getting near to what for a lot of people will be a well deserved break at the end of the year, but it would be great if there could be some feedback

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Draft Minutes: AA-WG Session at RIPE 71

On 22/12/2015 11:12, Niall O'Reilly wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:31:40 +, Brian Nisbet wrote: Mohsen Souissi (AFNIC) asked whether DNS over DNS will ever become a full replacement? I wonder whether this isn't a typo. Indeed. Looking at the steno logs we find: "...fo

[anti-abuse-wg] Reminder: Anti-Abuse WG at RIPE71 Today

Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC to set abuse-c for remaining organisation with ASNs or other resources allocated or assigned by the RIPE NCC

for the first mailing on this? Thanks, Brian Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/ Brian Nisbet wrote on 05/01/2016

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2016-01 Discussion Period Extended Until 21 June 2016 (Include Legacy Internet Resource Holders in the Abuse-c Policy)

, Brian Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/ Gilles Massen wrote on 25/05/2016 21:59: Hi, While I do agree

[anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Contact Data Sets Document Published

://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-658 Of course there will be other iterations of this document as things change. Thanks also to the three authors, L. Aaron Kaplan, Mirjam Kühne and Christian Teuschel. Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] RIPE NCC to set abuse-c for remaining organisation with ASNs or other resources allocated or assigned by the RIPE NCC

Tim, On 14/01/2016 14:57, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: Hi all, On 12 Jan 2016, at 15:23, Brian Nisbet <brian.nis...@heanet.ie> wrote: Afternoon(-ish), As I'm pretty sure Monday is now everywhere in the world, I think that given the lack of further responses or discussion or, impor

[anti-abuse-wg] Reminder: 2016-01 New Policy Proposal (Include Legacy Internet Resource Holders in the Abuse-c Policy)

the (very short) policy text here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2016-01 and you can find the specific approaches in the recent mails to the list. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] RIPE NCC to set abuse-c for remaining organisation with ASNs or other resources allocated or assigned by the RIPE NCC

On 19/02/2016 09:50, Edward Shryane wrote: On 19 Feb 2016, at 10:46, Brian Nisbet <brian.nis...@heanet.ie> wrote: Tim, On 14/01/2016 14:57, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: Hi all, On 12 Jan 2016, at 15:23, Brian Nisbet <brian.nis...@heanet.ie> wrote: Afternoon(-ish), As I'm pretty

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fw: [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01

There is a difference and I think, as has been pointed out, that the discussion is veering a little too much into ad hominem. So please, everyone, as always, robust discussion, but please discuss the topic, not people. Thanks all. Brian Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA requests 2015

Thanks for this Athina! Brian Athina Fragkouli wrote on 12/04/2016 09:43: Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC has published a transparency report that details the nature of the requests we received from law enforcement agencies (LEAs) in 2015. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-664 Kind regards,

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft RIPE 72 AA-WG Meeting Agenda

Leaning E. Presentation * E1. EC3 Presentation - Gregory Mounier * E2. Discussion on Invisibe IP Hijacking - Lu Heng - Outside Heaven * E3. Blackholing at IXPs: On the Effectiveness of DDoS Mitigation in the Wild - Chris Dietzel X. A.O.B. Z. Agenda for RIPE 73 -- Brian Nisbet

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE Charter

to pass this query on on your behalf? Brian Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax: +35316603666 web: http://www.heanet.ie/ On 11/08/2016

[anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items - RIPE 73

Colleagues, The next RIPE meeting will be taking place in Madrid from the 24th - 28th of October. If you would like to present a project, an idea, an item for discussion, or anything else, to the WG in Madrid please contact aa-wg-ch...@ripe.net Thanks, Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network

[anti-abuse-wg] Current Discussion & List Behaviour

in mind whenever you are putting finger to keyboard. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager, HEAnet

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List

Morning, On 31/01/2017 09:08, ox wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:53:07 + > Brian Nisbet <brian.nis...@heanet.ie> wrote: >> Colleagues, >> While the Anti-Abuse WG welcomes a free exchange of ideas and >> opinions, it does not welcome personal abuse

[anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update

. There are lots of other lists and forums and things on the Internet where you can post away. Thanks, Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft Minutes: RIPE73 AA-WG Meeting

Colleagues, I've attached the draft minutes, lovingly prepared by the RIPE NCC, from our last meeting in Madrid. If you have any comments or corrections, please let me know. Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5

[anti-abuse-wg] AA-WG List Discussion & Etiquette

, I apologise, I would be more than happy to talk directly and remove any confusion. I very much hope that we can now move on to other topics, or even return to the substantive part of the current one. Thank you, Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's Education

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision

Sascha, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote on 16/02/2017 14:40: On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 01:05:19PM +, Brian Nisbet wrote: This morning Tobias and I asked the NCC to take the very unusual step, effectively immediately, of removing the person behind sv...@xs4all.nl from the Anti-Abuse WG mailing list

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Need policy to require abuse contacts to accept abuse reports

On 26/09/2016 09:31, Norman Diamond wrote: > > Sorry I wasted time, but I don't even understand what Marilson is trying to > suggest. I'm not sure if anyone does. I certainly don't, despite their ongoing opinion that they understand all the dark motives behind everything I do. Anyway, Shane

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft Agenda - AA-WG RIPE73

- Gabi Nakibly X. A.O.B. Z. Agenda for RIPE 74 Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax: +35316603666 web

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Need policy to require abuse contacts to accept abuse reports

Norman, On 20/09/2016 23:49, Norman Diamond wrote: > I thank Brian Nisbet for having replied: > >> Policies can be proposed by anyone and they are >> considered on merit, not on the occupation of the proposer. >> >> However such a policy must actually be written a

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft Minutes - AAWG at RIPE72

/minutes/ripe-72-anti-abuse-wg-minutes Please send any feedback to me about these over the next two weeks and we'll go from there. Obviously we will not be declaring these as accepted at the working group session at 12:00 CEST tomorrow. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG -- Brian Nisbet, Network

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft Agenda - AA-WG RIPE74

Colleagues, Here is the draft agenda for RIPE 74. The WG meeting is to take place at 11:00CEST on Thursday 11th May. As you can see, there is still some space on the agenda, so if you would like to present, propose or discuss something in Budapest, please let Tobias or myself know. A.

[anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items - RIPE 74

. Thanks, Brian -- Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Bringing Law Enforcement Into the RIPE Community

I realise Denis has already answered some of this, but... On 01/08/2017 20:58, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 06:31:07PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote: >> If you dislike the engagement that RIPE NCC has with external >> organisations (see >>

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Bringing Law Enforcement Into the RIPE Community

On 01/08/2017 17:22, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 05:19:50PM +0100, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: >> This is the first I've even heard of this. Surely the membership >> should at least be asked whether they want an organisation they >> are *mandatory* members of to become a close

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items - AA-WG RIPE 75

Colleagues, I just want to remind you of this. Due to the requirements put in place by DTCM we have less time to organise things than we ordinarily would. Thanks, Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's

[anti-abuse-wg] Call For Agenda Items - AA-WG RIPE 75

soon. Tobias and I understand the unusual nature of this request and the effect it may have on AA-WG participation at RIPE75, but we still hope and plan to have an interesting agenda for the meeting. Thanks, Brian -- Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Educa

[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE Mailing List Code of Conduct

. We can, as always, be contacted at aa-wg-ch...@ripe.net Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG -- Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie

[anti-abuse-wg] Bringing Law Enforcement Into the RIPE Community

Colleagues, Given the relationship between the AA-WG and LEAs I think it's useful to share this article by Richard Leaning on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/richard_leaning/bringing-law-enforcement-into-the-ripe-community Brian -- Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG

[anti-abuse-wg] Bringing in More Voices Was Re: Bringing Law Enforcement Into the RIPE Community

there yet, certainly, but the work is ongoing in both a pro-active and re-active fashion and certainly, while this thread may not be the place for it, the WG Chairs, the RIPE Meeting PC and the NCC would all welcome input on these matters. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Oper

[anti-abuse-wg] Agenda Update - AA-WG Meeting at RIPE 74

quot; * D2. RIPE NCC LEA Interactions Update E. Presentation - * E1. Network & Information Security Directive, Nathalie Falot, NCSC-NL X. A.O.B. Z. Agenda for RIPE 75 -- Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 G

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists

and information sharing can take place without these kind of references and without guessing at the motives behind why someone did something. Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2017-02 New Policy Proposal (Regular abuse-c Validation)

that is the PDP, but impact on the NCC isn't he focus right now. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2017-02 New Policy Proposal (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Suresh, Indeed, and it's a point that I should have reiterated earlier in regards to when in the process the NCC will provide their impact assessment. Thanks, Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock

[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: [ripe-list] Network security and Brussels

As I know not everyone is on or reads the ripe-list, I felt it useful to forward this to the WG. Thanks, Brian Forwarded Message Subject:[ripe-list] Network security and Brussels Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:19:53 +0200 From: Gordon Lennox

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] RIPE Policy Proposal 2017-02 Validates Database Attributes

of the proposal, not to assume things on behalf of the NCC. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie

[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE75 Anti-Abuse Working Group Agenda

- * D1. Working Groups - DB & Implementation of "abuse-c" * D2. E. Presentation - * E1. Netflow Based Botnet Detection, Alireza Vaziri - 25' * E1. Pre-Transfer Clean-Up of Abused Prefixes, Eric Bais - 25' X. A.O.B. Z. Agenda for RIPE 76 Thanks, Brian -- Brian

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft Minutes - RIPE 74 AA-WG Session

Colleagues, Apologies for the delay in circulating these minutes. Please let me know if you have any comments or corrections. Thanks, Brian -- Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: 2017-02 New Policy Proposal (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Malcolm, Malcolm Hutty wrote on 11/10/2017 15:10: On 11/10/2017 15:06, Brian Nisbet wrote: For the avoidance of any doubt, the WG Co-Chairs agree that this proposal will move forward to Review Phase and there will be a new version of the proposal and, subsequent to that, the NCC will work

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: 2017-02 New Policy Proposal (Regular abuse-c Validation)

For the avoidance of any doubt, the WG Co-Chairs agree that this proposal will move forward to Review Phase and there will be a new version of the proposal and, subsequent to that, the NCC will work on their Impact Analysis. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations

[anti-abuse-wg] Proposal Update 2017-02

anks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG -- Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270

[anti-abuse-wg] DRAFT WG Minutes - RIPE75

Colleagues, The RIPE NCC staff have put together the draft minutes from RIPE75. I would appreciate if you could take a look and let me know of any errors, issues or required corrections. RIPE 75 Anti-Abuse Working Group Minutes Wednesday, 25 October 2017, 11:00 - 12:30 WG Co-Chair: Brian Nisbet

[anti-abuse-wg] Agenda Update - RIPE76 WG Meeting

. Presentation - * E1. Internet Abuse by Russian LEAs, Alexander Isavnin, Internet Protection Society X. A.O.B. Z. Agenda for RIPE 77 Brian, Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

It may interest you and other members of the WG to know that cases are already being brought: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/max-schrems-files-first-cases-under-gdpr-against-facebook-and-google-1.3508177 Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's

[anti-abuse-wg] Final Decision on 2017-02

& Tobias, Co-Chairs, RIPE Anti-Abuse Working Group Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

Folks, GDPR is a valid subject for this WG. Discussions around how it will affect things around abuse of the Internet is valid etc. etc. However let's not get into whose government is better or worse, please. Thanks, Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

, grand. However as I said I believe this thread has gone past both of those in a number of instances and I would ask everyone involved to take a step back and focus on the facts of the discussion. Thanks again, Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft Minutes - AA-WG Session at RIPE76

Nisbet, Tobias Knecht Scribe: Emile Aben Status: Draft A. Administrative Matters The video archive is online at: https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/109 The chairs welcomed the room, and addressed the administrative matters. B. Update B1. Working Group Chair Selection Brian Nisbet was selected

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

to participate in discussion on this mailing list. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Marco, Thanks for this. It very clearly sets out what the NCC plan to do. There has been an amount of discussion already (which is great!), but I would especially encourage those who have previously spoken against this proposal to comment on this latest information. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Thomas, On 19/01/2018 15:44, Thomas Hungenberg wrote: > On 19.01.2018 13:08, Marco Schmidt wrote: >> The way that abuse reports are handled by the receiving party is >> usually defined by the internal procedures of the providers and not by RIPE >> Policies. > > If the abuse-mailbox is valid

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

On 22/01/2018 16:25, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 04:20:41PM +, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: >> it. (However, since I'm not sure the implementation process >> cannot just change without my consent, I still oppose it on this >> point, too) > > Actually, a question for the

[anti-abuse-wg] 2017-02 Review Phase Reminder

useful if those who's point of view might be ambiguous could clarify their opinions on the policy at this point. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01

[anti-abuse-wg] Working Group Chair Selection - RIPE 77 Edition

. As a reminder, the selection process will conclude at the WG session on Thursday 18th. The AA-WG process prefers consensus, but a vote is possible if consensus cannot be reached amongst the WG. Nominees do not have to be physically present at the WG session. Thank you, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian

[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE 77 CfP and AA-WG Agenda

of information or more general presentation. If so, please do email Tobias and I and we can discuss it! Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

On 22/01/2018 16:07, Nick Hilliard wrote: > JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote: >> I agree that exaggeration is not useful, and probably we need to have >> several clear attempts before turning down a contract, BUT, if we are >> talking about proportionality, there are MANY cases of

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

On 22/01/2018 15:09, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Brian Nisbet wrote: >> I believe the NCC have stated very clearly how incredibly unlikely >> deregistration of resources would be and I honestly don't believe the >> exaggeration for emphasis or otherwise is useful. > > t

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Nick, On 19/01/2018 17:26, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Brian Nisbet wrote: >> Given the NCC have repeatedly said that the ARC is not a suitable way to >> validate the abuse contact and have proposed an alternative method, >> supported by the ARC process, do you have any co

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Folks, On 22/01/2018 13:19, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:25:12AM +, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> I have no problem with abuse-c validation, either via ARC, or the >> mechanism proposed in this policy, and probably not via a range of other >> mechanisms either. But

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] 2017-02 Review Phase (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Thomas, Just to be very clear, the current proposal is only in relation to verification. If the community wish for other processes to be put in place in regards to lack of action on abuse or similar, then that would require a wholly different proposal. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-W

[anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02 & Next Steps

tion above, this is your opportunity to do so! Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie

[anti-abuse-wg] Agenda Submissions RIPE76

of the meeting, please email the Co-Chairs at aa-wg-ch...@ripe.net Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] SPAM-heanet-- RE: Decision on Proposal 2017-02 & Next Steps

I now wish people to either clarify their reasons for objection or say they no longer object or something in between. We’ll then review this at the end of the current phase. Thanks, Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02 & Next Steps

And apologies for the subject change, which I meant to edit. We’ve a new email system in work which needs training. Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

> -Original Message- > From: Sascha Luck [ml] <a...@c4inet.net> > Sent: Thursday 15 March 2018 18:45 > To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nis...@heanet.ie> > Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02 > > On Thu, Mar

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

Alexander, Thanks for this. I'd just like to clarify something, are you objecting wholly to this proposal because you would prefer stronger/more complex checks? In that you feel it doesn't go far enough? Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

Ok, thank you Alexander, I now feel I better understand your objection. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

that it came across in that way. I believe the points that Marco and I have made still stand in regards to the possible outcome of not adhering to this policy and whether that is a change or a valid reason for objection. Thank, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager

[anti-abuse-wg] Status of Proposal 2017-02

if the working group could indulge me with a little more time I'll get back to you all next week with some further thoughts and a decision on how to proceed. Apologies for the delay, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research

[anti-abuse-wg] Last Call on Policy 2017-02 - Moving to Concluding Phase

abuse addresses have also been interpreted as being broadly in support of the proposal. - Rob Evans and Luis E. Muñoz commented, but did not clearly support or oppose the proposal Please let the WG know if you have any last comments on this proposal. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian

[anti-abuse-wg] Updated Agenda - RIPE 77 Anti-Abuse WG Session

Friacas * E2. Criminal Abuse in RIPE IP Space - Dhia Mahjoub X. A.O.B. Z. Agenda for RIPE 78 Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie

[anti-abuse-wg] Agenda & WG Chair Selection Reminder

would like to nominate themselves for the Co-Chair position, please email me with some information about yourself before Friday 12th October, when I'll publish the candidate information and we'll discuss at the meeting on Thursday 18th. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] New on RIPE Labs: How We Will Be Validating abuse-c

this work at our meeting next week. Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland

[anti-abuse-wg] Agenda Update AA-WG RIPE 77

. Criminal Abuse in RIPE IP Space - Dhia Mahjoub X. A.O.B. Z. Agenda for RIPE 78 Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie

[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE 78 Agenda Building and Plenary Call for Submissions

-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270

[anti-abuse-wg] Draft Agenda, AA-WG Session, RIPE 77

-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] I support 2019-03

via the mailman interface here: https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg/ You can also follow the discussion via the RIPE Forum: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum/ Regards, Brian, Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Astroturfing?

of the working group and community and anyone who is emailing the list, or encouraging others to do so, should be aware of that. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

, but as Gert clearly points out, the decision will be made on the mailing list in the timelines state. The Discussion Phase lasts until the 17th of April. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

oints made during the discussion, not count the +1s. Of course it is useful to get a feeling for general agreement, so simple statements of support or dissent are very useful, but they are not the core of the thing. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manag

[anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness

can also always contact the Co-Chairs directly on aa-wg-ch...@ripe.net Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Proposal 2019-03 BGP Hijacking

Thank you, yes, we did before.  If what I wrote on the 25th of March is unclear, please let me know. To repeat, messages of support are useful and indicative, but they do not carry an argument. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Verification of abuse contact addresses ?

-Abuse WG Chairs and the RIPE Policy Development team stand ready to assist anyone with this. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland

[anti-abuse-wg] Constructive Approach & Anonymity (Was RE: Verification of abuse contact addresses ? )

uch better in this context. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 2

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