Re: [arch-general] Partition mounting in systemd [WAS: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd]

2012-08-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: Does systemd not use the standard mount program and follow /etc/fstab? It does. Though it does not use

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/15/2012 03:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me a skeptic. That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything. You are

Re: [arch-general] Partition mounting in systemd [WAS: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd]

2012-08-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/15/2012 09:30 AM, Christoph Vigano wrote: I could not fix the systems as I could not get a recovery bash prompt. I had to use a boot live CD to edit the fstab and then all was well. On all my sysvinit systems a bad mount point would just give me an error and continue booting. Wouldn't

Re: [arch-general] Partition mounting in systemd [WAS: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd]

2012-08-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/15/2012 11:01 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell benf

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/15/2012 01:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs interact with the list

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 03:17 AM, Tom Rand wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote: On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 08:45 AM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: On Monday 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 Joakim Hernberg wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530 Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we want to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the time though. OK,

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I have is that my notmuch database isn't backwards compatible

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: and easier for most users to maintain USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For USERS it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users simply want to use

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 09:05 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: On 08/14/12 14:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: and easier for most users to maintain USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For USERS it's hard to follow changes every

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 09:23 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:13 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: and easier for most users to maintain USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 04:02 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:12:30AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: I have stopped using arch except for one server that does mail and DNS. It is presently being moved to my own linux distro based on LFS and using pacman for the package

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 09:25 AM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:12:30 Baho Utot wrote: I think Arch was good back in the day. Now not so good. This sounds a bit inflammatory and over-generalised. Presumably what you don't like about Arch now is the fact that it will potentially

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 09:32 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 14.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Baho Utot: Wow, this sounds so much like a conspiracy theory. The fact is that the people who write the code inevitably dictate which software is maintained, based on their interests and convictions, and they're pretty

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 04:23 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: [putolin] As explained in this and other threads, it may not be a decision we, in the Arch world, get to make. Too much of upstream may actually be dictated by what a comercially-backed distro does. That is why I just may end up

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 09:58 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote: [putolin] When did offering an opposing opinion to what ever is popular become tolling? what is this? /r/politics? I frankly have seen arguments both ways for systemd and initscripts, and the fact that many users do not want to switch is enough

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is hard irrespectively of what you're

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 06:35 PM, David Benfell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 07:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: For example I find systemd's .service files so much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also portable and can be included in

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 06:56 PM, David Benfell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 03:46 PM, Baho Utot wrote: Can you do a mount and post the result here I am curious if you see the same thing as I do when systemd is running I have full systemd running under fedora 15/17

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/14/2012 07:17 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Have a look at this and notice the /dev/sda2 lines Never seen anything like this, so I'd be tempted to say this is not systemd related. findmnt is usually a better source

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/13/2012 02:12 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Aug 13, 2012 3:17 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I've been wondering lately whether there is a good reason why even udev violates the one thing and do it well principle set forth by the co worker of the designer of C and Unix as

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/13/2012 07:50 AM, Gour wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 +0200 Joakim Hernberg j...@alchemy.lu wrote: Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we want to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the time though. OK, flames away I guess :) Nobody

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/13/2012 07:56 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Aug 13, 2012 3:17 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I've been wondering lately whether

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/12/2012 10:00 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: [putolin] Clearly, PA is not meant for professional audio work. And it might be that for a professional all the PA logic is both unnecessary and maybe even detrimental (so you'd use jack or pure ALSA instead, that should not be a problem).

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 09:30 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: [putolin] I think there is no interest (upstream) in trying to make systemd optional forever, so this is a concern you are probably right about. However, the suggestions of what might be merged show that you are either joking or don't know these

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 11:51 AM, Joakim Hernberg wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:30:09 +0200 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: This is a misrepresentation. Udev and systemd were merged I think mainly because they belong together, but also because they had cyclic build dependencies as they are very

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 12:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: One thing that the folks/upstream that are merging all these things together is missing is that the future of user computer is moving to phones and ipad type devices. PC

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 01:41 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote: I think people are really exaggerating how bloated systemd is. I fail to see how systemd would have issues running on mobile devices, if anything its more optimized for embedded devices. You didn't understand my point

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 02:11 PM, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote: On 11 August 2012 19:14, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 08/11/2012 12:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: I would be surprised if a systemd-based system requires more resources than a sysvinit-based one, but that is of course something one

Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 10:42 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: [putolin] but the easier it is to follow the trail, the better. That's what bread crumbs are for

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different mail clients, daemons etc. too. Sadly, I don't think in

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 08:54 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 11:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: . PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I even

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 08:03 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: [putolin] Look, you don't _have_ to use pacman to manage software. As I said elsewhere, dependencies on pulse, lirc, etc. are there for a reason. If you disagree with this reason, file a bugreport. But using dummy packages is just cheating. Then

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 11:27 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan: In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a journal is no use since the files are rarely changed and the filesystem is mostly opened read only. The journal takes up some space. These

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 11:45 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 09.08.2012 17:34, schrieb Baho Utot: On 08/09/2012 11:27 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 09.08.2012 17:12, schrieb Jonathan: In the past I have seen ext2 saves time during boot vs ext3.Having a journal is no use since the files are rarely changed

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 12:08 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 09.08.2012 17:58, schrieb Baho Utot: It is not 10 year old information it was published just after ext4 came out google is your friend. It is still outdated information. After ext4 came out, it took a few months until Google started

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] syslinux 4.05-5 does not boot

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 12:12 PM, Manolo Martínez wrote: [putolin] ... and another enthralling battle of wits brought to you by arch-general! I think that it's general archcommander and chief

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%

2012-08-09 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 03:54 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 08/08/2012 03:20 PM, PyroPeter wrote: flame Thunderbird really is a big pile of crap. There are bugs everywhere! I havn't seen something this bad since KDE 4.0. The only reason I didn't switch to mutt yet is that I don't know how to replace the

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-08 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/08/2012 05:50 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: On 08/08/12 10:52, Jayesh Badwaik wrote: On Wednesday 08 Aug 2012 09:38:40 Lukas Jirkovsky wrote: Works fine here with the nearly Poettering-free system. I'm using KDE networkmanager applet. I tested a system-wide wifi connection and it worked

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-08 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/08/2012 08:30 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: what if one wants a system not unlike a Unix system? Might be too late, but you could try contacting: http://sco.com/. -t They just filed chapter7 Maybe I can pick up

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%

2012-08-08 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/08/2012 08:34 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I have watched this in top for the past week or so. Thunderbird and Firefox are causing X cpu usage to shoot upt to between 80-100% on simple tasks like scrolling a message list in tbird or simply opening css menus in firefox. All of

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage - 100%

2012-08-08 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/08/2012 09:33 AM, Adam Sparks wrote: I saw an email just like this like week and made a switch to chromium. There is a difference. Especially when opening a new window, Firefox has some very large spikes. Don't use Thunderbird so I cannot say anything about that. On Aug 8, 2012 6:30 AM,

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 04:48:30 PM Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote: [putolin] Actually, re-reading that, I'm not sure you understand too much about how initscripts work (and what they do) either. Not that I'm an expert

Re: [arch-general] lib - usr/lib

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:56:37 AM Rodrigo Rivas wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote: Well, then: /opt - /usr/opt And everyone will be happy :) No, I guess not, /usr is for vendor-supplied stuff. /opt is for personal

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 05:22:09 PM Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: those are bash scripts Exactly, but what is better when we need to use irrational cryptic text

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:31:49 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:22 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: those are bash scripts Exactly,

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:57:26 AM Dennis Herbrich wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:52:49AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:43 +0300, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote: [putolin]

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:07:02 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:52:49AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:43 +0300, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik

Re: [arch-general] lib - usr/lib

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:50:47 PM Tom Gundersen wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote: Why will /opt have to go? I don't think we will ever manage to get rid of /opt. However, if we were to follow brainworker's renaming scheme I'd

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:13:42 AM Nicholas MIller wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Mike mkgma...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/07/12 16:35, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 26/07/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote: By the way ... ...

Re: [arch-general] systemd network configuration

2012-07-25 Thread Baho Utot
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:57:02 AM Tom Gundersen wrote: On Jul 25, 2012 2:45 AM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: rc.d start network #successfully gets some address and a route for i in 74.207.225.79/32 74.207.227.150/32 173.230.137.73/32 173.230.137.76/32 do

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/24/2012 08:37 AM, Gaetan Bisson wrote: [2012-07-24 13:27:50 +0100] Kevin Chadwick: you may not see my points if you haven't done any research on the foundations of UNIX and/or security. How more ridiculous can you get? He is not being ridiculous. He is stating his opinion and that

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/24/2012 09:09 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Systemd is larger than init, so for embedded it may well quadruple boot time. What utter bullshit. Please, Kevin, if you are going to throw around numbers, do some

[arch-general] LSB init scripts

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
I have seen some comments here about LSB init scripts. Anyone know where I might obtain an example LSB script template?

Re: [arch-general] LSB init scripts

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/24/2012 11:05 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: I have seen some comments here about LSB init scripts. Anyone know where I might obtain an example LSB script template? Most distros who use sysvinit (not Arch though) use

Re: [arch-general] Still Glibc problems

2012-07-21 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/21/2012 11:24 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 4:57 PM, D. R. Evans doc.ev...@gmail.com wrote: I *think* that this means that in fact glibc owns all the files. It means that no other package owns any files. It might still be that there are files in /lib that are not owned

Re: [arch-general] Still Glibc problems

2012-07-20 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/20/2012 10:27 AM, D. R. Evans wrote: Norbert Zeh said the following at 07/19/2012 06:08 PM : Well, the filesystem instructions are older and applied at the time the glibc upgrade was not an issue yet. Combining the two instructions, I would guess the following should work: pacman -Syu

Re: [arch-general] Still Glibc problems

2012-07-20 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/20/2012 10:47 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM, D. R. Evans doc.ev...@gmail.com wrote: There's nothing on this system that hasn't come from either AUR or the official arch repositories, so I don't know why I'm having any problems at all :-( I have seen people

Re: [arch-general] Still Glibc problems

2012-07-20 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/20/2012 12:46 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Jul 20, 2012 6:08 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 07/20/2012 10:47 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM, D. R. Evans doc.ev...@gmail.com wrote: There's nothing on this system that hasn't come from either AUR

Re: [arch-general] DeveloperWiki:usrlib - Note - rebuild any needed packages *before* attempting update

2012-07-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/15/2012 06:25 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 05:20:03PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: On 07/15/2012 04:52 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote: I missed your part about rebuilding before doing pacman -Syu --ignore glibc, that should be unnecessary as the files will be available in

Re: [arch-general] [cdrecord] Problems with original cdrecord on latest linux kernel

2012-06-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 06/10/2012 05:23 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been using the original cdrecord (cdrtools) for more than 10 years now, however I hadn't burned anything in the last 3 months (or even more). With the current linux kernel image from Arch:

[arch-general] Boot error

2012-04-27 Thread Baho Utot
rc.sysinit call mountpoint but that package soes not exist in a new install. what package contains mountpoint?

Re: [arch-general] Boot error

2012-04-27 Thread Baho Utot
On 04/27/2012 01:12 PM, Christoph Vigano wrote: On 04/27/2012 01:42 PM, Baho Utot wrote: rc.sysinit call mountpoint but that package soes not exist in a new install. what package contains mountpoint? util-linux contains this program, but if util-linux does seem to be not installed

Re: [arch-general] Any way to revert chroot to gcc46?

2012-04-13 Thread Baho Utot
On 04/13/2012 08:51 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 04/13/2012 07:40 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 04/05/2012 03:43 PM, Baho Utot wrote: On 04/05/2012 03:36 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, Is there any way to revert my chroot for building back to gcc46 immediately prior to this last gcc47

Re: [arch-general] Any way to revert chroot to gcc46?

2012-04-05 Thread Baho Utot
On 04/05/2012 03:36 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, Is there any way to revert my chroot for building back to gcc46 immediately prior to this last gcc47 update? Obvious reasons - bug fixes required due to new gcc47 C11 C11++ extension implementation, etc..., but I would like to continue

Re: [arch-general] makepkg/PKGBUILD - handle same files provided by 2 non-dependent packages?

2012-03-25 Thread baho Utot
On 03/25/2012 12:44 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I need to know if makepkg/PKGBUILD can handle a check to see whether the same files provided by two different packages (which are not dependencies of each other) exist in the file system to prevent an installation failure due to

Re: [arch-general] makepkg/PKGBUILD - handle same files provided by 2 non-dependent packages?

2012-03-25 Thread Baho Utot
On 03/25/2012 04:09 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:08:43 +0200 schrieb Heiko Baumsli...@baums-on-web.de: AUR still doesn't support split packages, and split packages can't be handled by the AUR wrappers. So this is really the worst ideas for AUR, and should only be used for

Re: [arch-general] makepkg/PKGBUILD - handle same files provided by 2 non-dependent packages?

2012-03-25 Thread Baho Utot
On 03/25/2012 02:00 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/25/2012 12:30 PM, Jesse Juhani Jaara wrote: In tdesdk's PKGBUILD do somthing like this build () { pach -Np -i patches sed 's|clause|fix|' file.c .configure --prefix } package_tdesdk () { make

Re: [arch-general] makepkg/PKGBUILD - handle same files provided by 2 non-dependent packages?

2012-03-25 Thread Baho Utot
On 03/25/2012 01:24 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 03/25/2012 06:55 AM, Matthew Monaco wrote: On 03/24/2012 10:44 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I need to know if makepkg/PKGBUILD can handle a check to see whether the same files provided by two different packages (which are not

Re: [arch-general] makepkg/PKGBUILD - handle same files provided by 2 non-dependent packages?

2012-03-25 Thread Baho Utot
On 03/25/2012 07:29 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/25/2012 05:01 PM, Baho Utot wrote: You may have a bigger problem then, you may/will have to put them into unrelated directories so they do not conflict with each other. I originally thought you

Re: [arch-general] makechrootpkg -d goes in repo.db why not local.db consistent with DevWiki?

2012-03-22 Thread baho Utot
On 03/22/2012 06:54 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I have followed the DeveloperWiki:Building in a Clean Chroot page closely for the trinity build and it has worked fine. For major rebuilds it has you create a local.db.tar.gz in /root/repo as a local repo. However, I was experimenting with

Re: [arch-general] fakeroot package() - mkdir: cannot create directory : Permission denied

2012-03-04 Thread baho Utot
On 03/03/2012 06:34 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 03/03/2012 04:39 PM, Allan McRae wrote: I'm not sure what makepkg needs to tell it to put the packages in the $pkgdir from within the Makefile. Anyone else been bitten by this? Any quick fix? make INSTALL_ROOT=$pkdir install What

Re: [arch-general] howto build shadow 4.1.5 with share libraries enabled?

2012-02-21 Thread Baho Utot
On 02/21/2012 12:24 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: All, I am having trouble building the new shadow (4.1.5) from ABS so that libshadow.so.0 is created and installed. I have tried modifying lib/Makefile.am like was done in 4.1.4: #Ugh, force this to build shared libraries, for god's sake

Re: [arch-general] Cannot upgrade.

2012-02-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 02/15/2012 01:04 PM, jwbirdsong wrote: On 02/15/2012 10:18 AM, Madhurya Kakati wrote: On 02/14/12 at 11:49pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The pacman upgrade didn't cause trouble here. When I run pacman -Syu the first time, only pacman was shown. Directly after installing it I run pacman -Syu again

Re: [arch-general] pacman 4 and empty repos

2012-01-20 Thread Baho Utot
On Friday 20 January 2012 07:30:53 am Allan McRae wrote: On 20/01/12 22:11, Magnus Therning wrote: In ArchHaskell we are heavy users of mkarchroot/makechrootpkg for building packages. When setting up the root chroot pacman is configured with a local db located at `/repo`, this makes

Re: [arch-general] local repository

2011-12-30 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday 29 December 2011 11:35:52 pm Calvin Morrison wrote: On 29 December 2011 20:55, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On Thursday 29 December 2011 08:45:11 pm Karol Blazewicz wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: http

[arch-general] local repository

2011-12-29 Thread Baho Utot
I would like to setup a local repository for my trinity packages I have a server with apache installed and a virtual host is configured. I copied all the files to the server and did a repo-add trinity.db.gz *.pkg.* I put this into the server pacman.conf [trinity] Server =

Re: [arch-general] local repository

2011-12-29 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday 29 December 2011 08:45:11 pm Karol Blazewicz wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: http:///trinity.bildanet.com/i686 Have you tried with 2 '/' (slashes) after 'http:' instead of 3? No I have not. I tried that and it now works

Re: [arch-general] upgrading postfix - newaliases: error while loading libdb-5.1.so -- ignore?

2011-07-07 Thread Baho Utot
On Thursday, July 07, 2011 02:36:10 AM Allan McRae wrote: On 07/07/11 10:02, Baho Utot wrote: On Wednesday, July 06, 2011 05:59:33 PM Paul Ezvan wrote: As a temporary work around, just add a link in /usr/lib from /usr/lib/libdb-5.1.so - libdb-5.2.so: 13:14 providence:~ sudo ln -sf

Re: [arch-general] makechrootpkg -I (any way to pass --noconfirm ?)

2011-06-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 06/15/2011 02:41 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys When installing packages into an archroot with the '-I' option to makechrootpkg is there any way to also pass the '--noconfirm' option to pacman? I have tried a couple of different ways to pass it after the -I option, but so far it is a

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-08 Thread Baho Utot
On 05/08/2011 04:21 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Heiko Baums wrote: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_boot Thats the worst wiki page i've ever seen, on any wiki. You have not seen mine then!

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Baho Utot
On Sunday 10 April 2011 10:09:25 am Oon-Ee Ng wrote: [putolin] No, because that's not how Arch works. Gnome3 is not broken, nor will it break anyone's computer. Arch is bleeding-edge, it said so on the sticker when you installed it =) Hey wait I didn't get any sticker when I installed it.

Re: [arch-general] Build in clean chroot

2011-03-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 03/10/2011 07:38 PM, Linas wrote: Baho Utot wrote: This gives me an error /build/PKGBUILD: line 25: cd: /trinity.source/kdepim: Too many levels of symbolic links I want to symlink the svn repo to inside the chroot so when makechrootpkg -c -rchrootdir creates the clean copy it doesn't have

[arch-general] Build in clean chroot

2011-03-08 Thread Baho Utot
I have a chroot devel environment like this /home+build/ / root/ - srch chroot build made with mkarchroot //trinity.source - a symlink ie ln -s ../trinity.source / copy- made by

Re: [arch-general] Sharing data between Windows 7 and Archlinux

2011-03-07 Thread Baho Utot
On Monday, March 07, 2011 07:08:52 AM Madhurya Kakati wrote: Hi all, Got hold of a cheap laptop. I want to use it as my download rig. It will be on most of the time downloading torrents. The laptop actually came with Windows XP installed. I setup the laptop ip as 192.168.1.5 and my desktop

Re: [arch-general] [trinity-devel] x86_64 kdesktop.kcrash [SOLVED - it is glibc]

2011-02-22 Thread Baho Utot
On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 07:41:53 PM Allan McRae wrote: That prelink patch is very, very unlikely to cause the issue. It was also the only change between 2.13-3 and 2.13-4... As I pointed out, there are other distros using that patch without reported issue and it is now in glibc

[arch-general] Package building - Change name of finished package

2011-01-03 Thread Baho Utot
I want to change the resulting package name in the PKGBUILD so I can support different sites on a server hosting many virtual websites using joomla. Example: Stock PKGBUILD pkgname=joomla pkgver=1.5.22 pkgrel=1 pkgdesc=A PHP-based content management platform arch=('any')

Re: [arch-general] Package building - Change name of finished package

2011-01-03 Thread Baho Utot
On Monday, January 03, 2011 11:17:46 am Ray Rashif wrote: On 3 January 2011 23:29, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: joomla-1.5.22-1-any-sitename.pkg.tar.xz Is this possible? No. joomla-$sitename-1.55.22-1-any.pkg.tar.xz is possible: _sitename=foo pkgname=joomla

Re: [arch-general] Package building - Change name of finished package

2011-01-03 Thread Baho Utot
On Monday, January 03, 2011 11:38:52 am Guillaume ALAUX wrote: On 3 January 2011 16:52, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On Monday, January 03, 2011 11:17:46 am Ray Rashif wrote: On 3 January 2011 23:29, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: joomla-1.5.22-1-any

Re: [arch-general] system time stucks in a loop

2010-10-25 Thread Baho Utot
On 10/25/10 18:18, David C. Rankin wrote: On 10/24/2010 05:06 AM, János Illés wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 14:54, Thomas Jostschno...@schnouki.net wrote: Hope this helps. I removed openntpd completely and disabled time sync. The vm still freezes eventually. Also, I cannot set clocksource

[arch-general] devtools:mkarchroot fails under sudo

2010-10-24 Thread Baho Utot
Following Building in a clean chroot I have encountered the following issue, which is related to using sudo mkarchroot The full path is not included (code posted from mkarchroot) should this be fixed? After patching mkarchroot it works with sudo. BUILD=/home/devtools $ sudo mkdir -vp ${BUILD}

Re: [arch-general] How to do this

2010-10-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 10/24/10 11:20, Johannes Held wrote: Christianchristia...@runbox.com: I know that I have to use piping for this, but I want to output the errors I get while compiling a program into atext file. What to type after make then? You could try tee. man tee. your_command | tee file_1 file_2

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] PostgreSQL 9.0.1 in [testing]

2010-10-19 Thread Baho Utot
On 10/19/10 10:35, Dan McGee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jan Steffensjan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Dan McGeedpmc...@gmail.com wrote: Community feedback welcome as well, but this is now in testing now that the Python rebuild has moved on. Please

Re: [arch-general] 1. Re: version control system for normal user (Magnus Therning)

2010-08-27 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/26/2010 10:51 PM, jewelshaw wrote: Nice to get your suggestions. I'd better try git, since many recommend. As for svn, just svnadmin create a repository does work? PS: Sorry for my stupidity. I'm new to mailing list, and don't know how to reply a certain post. Thank you all

Re: [arch-general] Configure / Set a Hostname

2010-08-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/24/2010 03:02 PM, Meyithi wrote: On 24 August 2010 19:52, Carlos Mennenscarlosw...@gmail.com wrote: I have read on Google searches and on all over so many different ways to properly set a FQDN on Arch Linux and am more confused than I was before I started looking this up. I don't ever

[arch-general] K3b

2010-08-21 Thread Baho Utot
I am having some issues with K3b Under KDE4 ( yes I hate it) When I start K3b it detects a blank dvd in the dvd writer but when selecting the burn image tool from the menu it does not reconize the blank dvd. I looked into the frums and the wiki but didn't find anything that was helpful

Re: [arch-general] Firefox Opera Plugins on the fritz?

2010-07-21 Thread Baho Utot
David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, My weather page has stopped working in both Firefox and Opera. I think it is a plugin issue. Can anyone else view this weather loop from the National Weather Service? http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=SHVproduct=N0Roverlay=1110loop=yes If so

Re: [arch-general] makepkg creates symlink to the package file

2010-06-22 Thread Baho Utot
On 06/22/10 19:31, Allan McRae wrote: On 23/06/10 07:01, Attila wrote: Hello together, since the new pacman a makepkg run creates a symlink to the package file in the directory of the PKGBUILD. Example: # ls -l *.gz opera-snapshot-10.60-6378.2ah-i686.pkg.tar.gz -

Re: [arch-general] New Arch Install - Swap Won't Activate - Help the clueless?

2010-06-21 Thread Baho Utot
On 06/21/10 12:33, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I'm laughing at myself for being unable to get swap activated. Initially, when I breezed through the install, I forgot to set /dev/sdb6 to type 82 so the box came up with swap off (2G of ram so not much of an issue) But now, I

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