Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 03/10/16 00:51, David C. Rankin wrote: > I wonder how Allan would view the matter. The Beginner's Guide should never have existed. A

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 10/02/2016 10:51 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: > I've been here since '09, and I've never seen a complaint such as you > describe. The reality is the Beginner's Guide was a very thorough and helpful > collection of information for new users that was made more necessary by the > removal of the arch

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 02/10/16 at 09:51am, David C. Rankin wrote: The maintenance requirements were no greater or less than any of the constituent pages. This is not true. Regardless of what the true motivations for the current Arch devs are in removing the Beginner's Guide, I would recommend it be restored

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 09/22/2016 10:31 AM, Maxwell Anselm via arch-general wrote: > Another reason for the merge is to solve a perception problem. The > Beginner's Guide was one of the only wiki articles that consolidated all of > its information in one place, rather than organizing things into separate > articles

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 08:16pm, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:00:53 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: Then we are in agreement; the goal is to provide people with what they need and to encourage them to explore in more depth, or for edge

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:00:53 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > Then we are in agreement; the goal is to provide people with what they > need and to encourage them to explore in more depth, or for edge > cases, the official documentation. Then I think I

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 05:55pm, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:16:27 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: Arch has from the start been clear about its goals and intentions. I'll quote from a section of the wiki that people seem much less

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:16:27 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > Arch has from the start been clear about its goals and intentions. > I'll quote from a section of the wiki that people seem much less > familiar with: > > ”Whereas many GNU/Linux distributions

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Tinu Weber wrote: > Just take a look at that beautifully concise "Contents" table on > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide. > That's one perfect checklist :-) > I think you are ~right. >From my point of view beginner's

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:12 AM, mike lojkovic via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > I'm in favor of the merge as well. For beginners there are plenty of > Youtube videos that cover common desktop setups. That should be more than > enough for users who are first learning how to

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016/09/22 20:06 "Dario Giovannetti via arch-general" < arch-general@archlinux.org>: > > I thought I'd make a graph about the reactions to the merge :) > > http://imgh.us/archwiki_complaints.svg I don't know why pink line exists.

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

I'm in favor of the merge as well. For beginners there are plenty of Youtube videos that cover common desktop setups. That should be more than enough for users who are first learning how to setup a Linux distro. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Dario Giovannetti via arch-general <

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:53:42 +0200, Jürgen Werner wrote: >That being said, I'm still in favour of the merge of Installation and >Beginners Guide, but maybe we could include some more background >information for beginners If we know what to include, we could discuss it there. As long as we have no

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

Am 22.09.2016 um 02:58 schrieb Jason Ryan via arch-general: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: >> see below >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < >> arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> I believe this change will only serve to alienate

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On jeu., 2016-09-22 at 10:36 +0200, Tinu Weber wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:46:30 +0200, Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana > wrote: > > > > While I agree with the guys saying the Beginner's Guide was harmful > > to the > > distro making lazy noobish users choose the wrong distribution for > >

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:46:30 +0200, Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana wrote: > While I agree with the guys saying the Beginner's Guide was harmful to the > distro making lazy noobish users choose the wrong distribution for 'em, I > strongly think that the Guide was pretty helpful as a quick setup

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:51:11 +1200, Jason Ryan wrote: >On 22/09/16 at 08:47am, Martin Kühne wrote: >>On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... >> >>Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil >>this

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:53:53PM -0700, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: > So, is making people hunt for information a ritualistic hazing? No, it is not. No one is *making* people do anything. There is an installation guide that does what it's supposed to: tell you what you need to do to

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

While I agree with the guys saying the Beginner's Guide was harmful to the distro making lazy noobish users choose the wrong distribution for 'em, I strongly think that the Guide was pretty helpful as a quick setup checklist to seniors too. The solution to this could be taking it back enriching

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 08:47am, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil this thread down to "telling

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 04:49am, mick wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 > Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > >see below > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > >

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 21/09/16 at 09:53pm, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 > Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > >see below > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:53:53 -0700, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: >I personally know many experienced Linux users (whom I consider far >more experienced than myself) who can't tell you which desktop >environment they prefer. Most are using command line anyway and light weight window

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 04:55:19 + Sajjad Heydari via arch-general wrote: > It has been merged with the installation guide. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 9:23 AM David C. Rankin < > drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > > > Archdevs, > > > > I went to review the

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > >see below > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > >arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > >> I

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > >see below > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > >arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > >> I

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

Jason, Thank you for the link to the Beginner's Guide!

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been > saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)? That would not be useful because wiki

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 21/09/16 at 10:46pm, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)? You can see an old revision here:

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)?

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:01:55 -0400 Dave via arch-general wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Jason Ryan via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote > > This will only alienate new users that

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Dave via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Jason Ryan via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > > >> see below > >> > >> On Wed, Sep

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Jason Ryan via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > >> see below >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < >> arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: >> >> I believe

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

Someone did mention that the two guides merged, so now that only one list is being maintained, they can focus on making the one list more comprehensive. On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Dave via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > see below > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM,

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: see below On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: I believe this change will only serve to alienate potential new users, I strongly agree. This will only alienate new users

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

see below On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > IMHO, for new users, the "Installation Guide" is not, never has been, and > may never be a substitute for the Beginner's Guide. As a new Arch user, I completely agree. > > I

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

[EDIT: in the previous post, the phrase "snip hunt" should of course been "snipe hunt".] On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund wrote: > Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide > been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)? IMHO, for new users, the "Installation Guide" is not, never has been, and may never be a substitute for the Beginner's Guide. The Installation Guide

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 20/09/16 at 01:58am, David C. Rankin wrote: On 09/20/2016 12:00 AM, D C via arch-general wrote: TBH, the main install guide looks almost identical to the beginner guide that I used about two years ago, check it out. We should consider the beginner's guide again -- it was invaluable to new

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 09/20/2016 12:00 AM, D C via arch-general wrote: > TBH, the main install guide looks almost identical to the beginner guide > that I used about two years ago, check it out. I guess I've been using a different beginner's guide for the past 8 years. The installation guide that is currently on

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

TBH, the main install guide looks almost identical to the beginner guide that I used about two years ago, check it out. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:53 AM, David C. Rankin < drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > Archdevs, > > I went to review the Beginner's Guide and it was no longer listed

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

It has been merged with the installation guide. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 9:23 AM David C. Rankin < drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > Archdevs, > > I went to review the Beginner's Guide and it was no longer listed on the > main > page. I then specifically searched for it, found it in the