Re: [arin-ppml] Should we disallow an AC member from submitting a policy proposal?

2023-10-27 Thread Joe Provo
community and acting as a brake against joining the AC. Worse, it would encourage people to funnel proposal ideas though others and create a whole pile of its own political agita. Joe, long term participant, ex-AC member, bottom-up process fanatic -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer he

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-3: Remove Officer Attestation Requirement for 8.5.5

2022-09-12 Thread Joe Provo
age because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. -- Posted from

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised and Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Permit IPv4 Leased Addresses for Purposes of Determining Utilization for Future Allocations

2022-03-10 Thread Joe Provo
e not investment vehicles. -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). U

Re: [arin-ppml] Board Election Petition underway

2021-10-28 Thread Joe Provo
/participate/community/acsp/suggestions/2021/2021-23/ - https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/suggestions/2021/2021-22/ Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are rec

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6

2021-10-21 Thread Joe Provo
on 2. Maybe "transferrable number resources" could have a broad definition there, and would provide up-front clarity as to what is and is not transferrable under policy at a given point in time? Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Discl

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2021-1: ASN Clarifications to Sections 2 and 8

2021-05-20 Thread Joe Provo
gt; ???In lieu of the requirements in sections 8.5.5 and 8.5.6, organizations > > may qualify for additional IPv4 address blocks by demonstrating 80% > > utilization of their currently allocated space.??? > > > > Replace > > > >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-1: ASN Clarifications to Sections 2, 8 and 10

2021-04-15 Thread Joe Provo
. Point is, the shepherds could trim the section 10 bit and move it along if non-substantive changes to section 10 is really a problem. -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You a

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-1: ASN Clarifications to Sections 2, 8 and 10

2021-04-15 Thread Joe Provo
hould assert that section 10 should never be touched regardless of how illogical it makes the rest of the document. The AC shepherds have the pen, so they certainly can sever the trivial change to section 10 if it is truly believed to trigger the End Times. Cheers! Joe -- Posted

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-03-18 Thread Joe Provo
read... Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Un

Re: [arin-ppml] Board of Trustees Consideration Petition for ARIN -2020 -2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2021-01-10 Thread Joe Provo
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 04:08:55PM +, Tom Pruitt wrote: [snip] > For the record, AC council member Joe Provo waited > until the meeting after last call to quote the definition of fairness > to the council. To be clear, I've raised the definition use since ARIN45,

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2020-11: Replace the Image in Section 2 With a Textual Description

2020-12-23 Thread Joe Provo
Derp, you mean the names of the RIRs in the new expanded text. That sounds like a good suggestion to me! Joe, needing more coffee On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:59:07AM -0500, Joe Provo wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 08:55:34AM -0500, Brian Jones wrote: > > I support ARIN-2020-11

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2020-11: Replace the Image in Section 2 With a Textual Description

2020-12-23 Thread Joe Provo
___ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > P

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2020-12-15 Thread Joe Provo
ces Agreement > (RSA). SGTM but there was previous discussion indicating people didn't want to trim the references to consequences [see August thread and ARIN46 discussion]. Personally, I do not believe it belongs in the NRPM but am amenable if the community thinks it does. Hopefully

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2020-12-14 Thread Joe Provo
> >> implemented, and may continue to do so. Essentially the entire section is > >> made of language that is already in the Registration Services Agreement, > >> and is generally fee-focused, making it outside normal scope for Internet > >> number resourc

Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2

2020-11-02 Thread Joe Provo
ly universally. The wait list has changed and will change in future in response to the needs of the community; it has never carried any guarantee or lack of risk. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2020-02-07 Thread Joe Provo
sues. > >> > > > > ___ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mail

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-21: Reserved Pool Replenishment

2019-12-30 Thread Joe Provo
bly to provide the insurance as indicated by the tail end of John's paragraph above. -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [arin-ppml] DoD to sell 13 x /8 of its IPv4 Blocks over the next 10 years and need for ARIN-2019-19

2019-12-19 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:32:27PM +, Michel Py wrote: [snip] > > Joe Provo wrote : > > Since this list is archived and referenced, rather than let that sit in > > silence, > > personally I have to note - there is no such thing as "industry standar

Re: [arin-ppml] DoD to sell 13 x /8 of its IPv4 Blocks over the next 10 years and need for ARIN-2019-19

2019-12-19 Thread Joe Provo
ngs/NANOG77/2108/20191028_Elverson_Your_As_Is_v1.pdf and useful contacts are on slide 11 and 18. IMO, not speaking on behalf of any other person or organization, etc etc. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / G

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

2019-11-06 Thread Joe Provo
rsonal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscr

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-24 Thread Joe Provo
Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SEPhone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =========== > ___ > ARIN-PPML > You are receivi

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-19 Thread Joe Provo
Hey Bill, On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 07:42:20PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM Joe Provo wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 01:19:27PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > > > Lose "incorporated:" it has a specific legal mean

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-17 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 01:19:27PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:06 PM Joe Provo wrote > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 01:08:36AM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM Joe Provo wrote: > > > > "M activity resu

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-17 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 01:08:36AM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > comments inline; > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM Joe Provo wrote: > ... > > > Per this and additional private commentary, I'd suggest we > > keep it simple to speak directly to the matters w

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-15 Thread Joe Provo
rom my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mail

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-09 Thread Joe Provo
lear as-is and doesn't need adjustment - in need of clarification in this regrd - in need of clarification in this and additional regards ...or, as usual, whatever else! :-) Thanks in advance for more input! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / G

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M - Seeking Community Comments / 2019-04

2019-07-16 Thread Joe Provo
hopping existed, TI expect we'd see: - *IR capture (nation-states, bad actors, industry niche) - resources purposefully migrated to *IRs with which legal interactions are "challenging", enabling criminal behavior - heavier -> total regulation - proliferation of new NIRs specifically to und

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-11: M Regional Nexus Exclusion

2019-07-16 Thread Joe Provo
this one hasn't seen much discussion. Is it the possible complexity of interaction with other M and nexus proposals, apathy on the topic, or smething else? Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gw

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread Joe Provo
al account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subs

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread Joe Provo
allocated or assigned by ARIN. > > Comments: > > Timetable for implementation: Immediate > > Anything Else This proposal may be overtaken by a more general approach > to ARIN membership legal jurisdiction exclusion -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Discl

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

2019-06-23 Thread Joe Provo
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Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Joe Provo
all of us. There may be a discussion to be had when you speak of shoping for *services*, but every time this comes up you sidestep the difference of that and shopping for *policies*, which is expressly the point the previous poster made. Cheers, Joe "look I made it to the end wit

Re: [arin-ppml] Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

2019-06-06 Thread Joe Provo
conservative resumption of distribution is to the benefit of the community at large. I also look forward to near-future policy proposals refining the unmet requests policy. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling _

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-13: ARIN Membership Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-05-21 Thread Joe Provo
ed at the May AC meeting. If you look at the actually submission dates ( https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/proposals/ ) you'll see they were during the ARIN43 meeting. Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___

Re: [arin-ppml] Of interest?

2019-05-18 Thread Joe Provo
rom my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing li

Re: [arin-ppml] Solving the squatting problem

2019-05-16 Thread Joe Provo
for ARIN policy, so feel free to take it up at the IETF... -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-08 Thread Joe Provo
'm smart, I will publish my intended announcement sources in - OriginAS in my whois - RPKI ROAs - IRR data ...and then anyone on the 'net can see if a given announcement (or their changes) is intented and expected or not. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer h

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-03 Thread Joe Provo
ests of the ARIN community. That said, I think the mechanics propsed are deeply flawed especially the entire "consultants to handle cases" stuff. I'd recommend a less strict formulation of the whole thing for an ACSP submission. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread Joe Provo
rs, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-01 Thread Joe Provo
He Carlos, On Wed, May 01, 2019 at 08:52:58PM +0100, Carlos Fria?as wrote: > > On Wed, 1 May 2019, Joe Provo wrote: > > (...) > >> By way of analogy, ARIN paints the lines on the roads and strongly > >> encourages > >> everyone to stay in their ow

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-01 Thread Joe Provo
specific actions or remedies. That at least express the desired norms in contract, despite the reality that most perps will not be under that contract. Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-04-09 Thread Joe Provo
not need the proposed policy if the TAL issue is addressed? Thanks! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Publ

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Joe Provo
y expansion, customer/usage data, infrastructure detail, etc. IMO you're aiming your guns in the wrong direction. Cheers, Joe, speaking for himself only -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ AR

Re: [arin-ppml] Fwd: Re arin-ppml Spam replies to PPML posts

2018-04-19 Thread Joe Provo
t by the list, as your message implies. The content I received was in no was sent through ARIN's servers, rather the spammer is responding to messages sent to the list. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gwee

Re: [arin-ppml] Fwd: Re arin-ppml Spam replies to PPML posts

2018-04-19 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 09:44:52AM -0300, Marilson Mapa wrote: [snip] Can you please stop relaying the spam you are receiving to the list and thereby spamming the rest of us? -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment

2017-11-22 Thread Joe Provo
nguage suggestions here. -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscr

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-20 Thread Joe Provo
see this to be a fundamental failing of our region's fragmented model. We dither over things which are non-problems in other regions due to decisions made quite some time ago... that would be a "2017 rather than 1999" conversation worth having, IMNSHO. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Joe Provo
) Cheers (this is not legal advice), Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-P

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-07-17 Thread Joe Provo
ce that is a reallocation. > > - ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that is a reassignment > >whenever that down stream customer requests such. That > >SWIP must be a reassign detail, reassign simple, or a > > residential privacy

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

2017-05-26 Thread Joe Provo
olute minimum end-user assignment, > >>>> equivalent for all intents and purposes to an IPv4 /32. If we then want > >>>> "equivalence" to the /29 policy so that individuals with the minimum and > >>>> near-minimum assignment do not need to be

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility

2017-01-22 Thread Joe Provo
Cheers! Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or mana

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2016-8: Removal of Indirect POC Validation Requirement

2017-01-06 Thread Joe Provo
across multiple organizations. I agree with Owen that correcting the problem rather than punting on it is the correct direction. Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ PPML You a