Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-20 Thread Fred Foldvary
fabio wrote: 2) The real question is whether the current distribution of wealth is typical or not. If you did the same study 1000 AD, would you get the same picture? This is indeed the right question to ask. There seem to be just too many possible explanatory variables and too few

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-20 Thread david friedman
So my question is: Are normative and positive issues (believing in differences and supporting racist policies) more confused and mixed in the debate on race than what we find in other debates? And if so, why? Is there a "rational" reason for this? I think normative and positive issues get

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-19 Thread david friedman
I would not like to use dirty words but this line of thought could take you directly to some kind of racism. That's why your question is just stupid. But you probably know it. It sounds as though you are saying one of two things: 1. The belief that race is important is, by definition, racism,

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-19 Thread david friedman
Thinking and writing analytically about race is certainly a good and important thing to do. As far as I know, the "race problem" has been analytically treated in two ways. One, to consider human homogeneity (there is one human race). Two to consider human heterogeneity (there are different human

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-19 Thread Girard
The second answer is of course the good one. As Maria said, there is only one human race. What we call human races are just artifacts. We all come from so mixed background that if there ever was something like different human races they disapeared long ago. But all this thread started with a

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-19 Thread david friedman
The second answer is of course the good one. The second answer was: "2. The belief that race is important is known to be false with such confidence that considering the alternative is a waste of time, hence stupid. " As Maria said, there is only one human race. There is only one canine

RE: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread James Sproule
: Alexander Guerrero [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race I think that Aztecs are nearer to the north than to the equator!!! Alexander Guerrero fabio guillermo rojas wrote: Question: What would

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Bryan D Caplan
Alexander Guerrero wrote: I think that Aztecs are nearer to the north than to the equator!!! Alexander Guerrero Mexico City is around 20' N, putting it on the northern part of the tropics. -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Bryan D Caplan
fabio guillermo rojas wrote: Observation: A lot of cultures close to the equator seem to have been wealthy compared to Europe before the rise of the West aftyer 1500. The conquistadors compared Technotitlan to Cordoba (the wealthy Spanish coastal city) and various Arabic cultures close to

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread John Cunningham
Coincidentally enough, i just finished reading _Guns, Germs, and Steel_ as well, it made for some interesting hours on the exercycle. I thought his overall thesis was useful--the importance of existing plant and animal resources and topography on the growth of early cultures--and he did make

RE: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread dmccarthy
I was under the impression that there was at least another equatorial civilization - that which arose in West Africa - Benin which, while somewhat fluid, covered the delta and Edo States and stretched to Lagos and beyond in present-day Nigeria. Like the Aztecs they certainly produced quite

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Krist van Besien
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 11:53:34AM -0500, Bryan Caplan wrote Sachs has popularized a strong finding: Distance from the equator explains a great deal of the variation in income *levels* between countries. The further from the equator, the richer countries are. There are also some parallel

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Girard
I would not like to use dirty words but this line of thought could take you directly to some kind of racism. That's why your question is just stupid. But you probably know it. On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Bryan Caplan wrote: Sachs has popularized a strong finding: Distance from the equator

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread John Cunningham
Interesting response, wouldst appear to be an instance of threatening personal destruction for a "thoughtcrime." To even think about race analytically is apparently evil which must be eradicated, in this writer's view. john At 07:27 PM 2/16/01 +0100, you wrote: I would not like to use

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Maria Pia Paganelli
John Cunningham wrote: Interesting response, wouldst appear to be an instance of threatening personal destruction for a "thoughtcrime." To even think about race analytically is apparently evil which must be eradicated, in this writer's view. john Thinking and writing analytically

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Fred Foldvary
Sachs has popularized a strong finding: Distance from the equator explains a great deal of the variation in income *levels* between countries. The further from the equator, the richer countries are. So how do you explain the ancient Mayan, Azctec, Inca, Egyptian, Zimbabwe, and East Indian

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Fred Foldvary
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Bryan D Caplan wrote: Circle the globe. The only civilization I can see that ever emerged around the equator was the Inca. And their effective climate was not equatorial due to high elevation, as far as I understand. Most of the equator crosses water, but if you expand

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Bryan D Caplan
Girard wrote: I would not like to use dirty words but this line of thought could take you directly to some kind of racism. That's why your question is just stupid. But you probably know it. Normally I remove people from the list when they start making these sorts of replies, but as the

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Bryan D Caplan
Fred Foldvary wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Bryan D Caplan wrote: Circle the globe. The only civilization I can see that ever emerged around the equator was the Inca. And their effective climate was not equatorial due to high elevation, as far as I understand. Most of the equator

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Bryan D Caplan
One of the pieces where Sachs talks about the latitude, wealth, and growth correlation is: Geography and Economic Development Gallup, John Luke ; Sachs, Jeffrey D. ; Mellinger, Andrew D. National Bureau of Economic Research Working Paper: 6849. 1998. Abstract: This paper addresses the complex

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-16 Thread Bryan D Caplan
Alexandre wrote: Caro(a) Girard, i agree with Girard and if the stupid question is what really meant , groelandia is the richest place in the world. Ditto my previous remarks about list civility. Substantively, the Sachs correlation between income and latitude is of course

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race message dated Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:53:34 -0500.

2001-02-15 Thread Sourav K. Mandal
"Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: Sachs has popularized a strong finding: Distance from the equator explains a great deal of the variation in income *levels* between countries. The further from the equator, the richer countries are. There are also some parallel findings for growth -

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-15 Thread Alexander Robert William Robson
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Bryan Caplan wrote: Sachs has popularized a strong finding: Distance from the equator explains a great deal of the variation in income *levels* between countries. The further from the equator, the richer countries are. There are also some parallel findings for growth

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-15 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
Question: What would controlling for racial composition do to these results? Clearly there is high collinearity between race and latitude, though modern transportation is weakening the connection. If you do both latitude and racial composition, what would happen? Does anyone have hard

Re: Growth, Wealth, and Race

2001-02-15 Thread Alexander Guerrero
I think that Aztecs are nearer to the north than to the equator!!! Alexander Guerrero fabio guillermo rojas wrote: Question: What would controlling for racial composition do to these results? Clearly there is high collinearity between race and latitude, though modern transportation is