Re: Atom2RDF via Universal Feed Parser

2006-01-30 Thread Henry Story
On 29 Jan 2006, at 16:47, Danny Ayers wrote: fyi, Chimezie has a blog post [1] including the mapping below between Atom as interpreted by Mark Pilgrim's UFP (so it'll also work for anyRSS) to RDF. [snip] I don't quite understand what is going on in that blog post. At some point it'll

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Quoting Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The mail below is from the WordPress list, they're discussing including stylesheet references in Atom docs. Have we got anything like best practices or more palatable workarounds for these circumstances? (i.e. in addition to using application/atom+xml)

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-30 16:50]: From: Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's why I eventually gave up using application/rss+xml and switched to text/xml for RSS. Maybe it's time to do the same for Atom? Ugh. Why does everyone insist on the `text/xml` albatross? Use

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread James M Snell
+1. Serving atom up at application/xml is perfectly acceptable and will render in the browser. Look at Sam Ruby's feed as an example. http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/index.atom - James Anne van Kesteren wrote: Quoting Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The mail below is from the WordPress

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2006-01-30 Thread Henry Story
Sorry for being away for a while. I am back on this issue. We had narrowed in on this quite well. It should be RFC time real soon. On 24 Dec 2005, at 07:25, James Holderness wrote: Henry Story wrote: I think you have not quite grasped the point my graph was trying to make. Perhaps I did

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:23 AM, James M Snell wrote: +1. Serving atom up at application/xml is perfectly acceptable It is *not*. Atom has a registered Internet media type (application/ atom+xml); using anything else is a bug. -Tim

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
David House wrote: 2) Atom support isn't there. Firefox and Konqueror (the browsers I tested in) get scared off by Atom's mime type and prompt the user to download it. They don't recognise it as XML, so they don't transform it. We have two options here: give up or serve as text/xml (I

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread John Panzer
Thomas Broyer wrote: ... (and if possible click on a link to lead them to the site's browser-dedicated pages); those people should just use a rel=nofollow on the direct links to their feeds. I don't think that means what you think it means. At least, if you mean for search engines not to

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread John Panzer
Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:23 AM, James M Snell wrote: +1. Serving atom up at application/xml is perfectly acceptable It is *not*. Atom has a registered Internet media type (application/ atom+xml); using anything else is a bug. -Tim Here's my 'best effort' suggestion

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread James M Snell
John Panzer wrote: Tim Bray wrote: It is *not*. Atom has a registered Internet media type (application/ atom+xml); using anything else is a bug. -Tim It's either a bug or an intentional downgrade designed to meet practical requirements before strict technical requirements. I agree that

Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Danny Ayers
The mail below is from the WordPress list, they're discussing including stylesheet references in Atom docs. Have we got anything like best practices or more palatable workarounds for these circumstances? (i.e. in addition to using application/atom+xml) -- Forwarded message --

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 30, 2006, at 12:57 PM, John Panzer wrote: In other words, the application/xml content is a fallback for when users, despite our best efforts, end up looking at XML content inside a web browser. I'd also be happy to make this behaviior browser-dependent so that we serve

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/1/30, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (and if possible click on a link to lead them to the site's browser-dedicated pages); those people should just use a rel=nofollow on the direct links to their feeds. I don't think that means what you think it means. At least, if you mean for

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Sam Ruby
Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:23 AM, James M Snell wrote: +1. Serving atom up at application/xml is perfectly acceptable It is *not*. Atom has a registered Internet media type (application/ atom+xml); using anything else is a bug. -Tim I'm not sure I would stand on principle

Re: [Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2006-01-30 Thread James Holderness
Henry Story wrote: Just re-reading your mail I think you make a good point that perhaps translation is the wrong word to use. We would like something more abstract such as otherLanguageVersion. This made me think that the word we want is alternate. And then looking at the spec again I found the

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-30 20:15]: On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:23 AM, James M Snell wrote: +1. Serving atom up at application/xml is perfectly acceptable It is *not*. Atom has a registered Internet media type (application/ atom+xml); using anything else is a bug. -Tim I don’t know that

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2006-01-30 Thread James Holderness
Henry Story wrote: Presumably one would need to add an x:feed=http://mydomain.com/feed; attribute for translations of entries that appear in other feeds. Actually I was thinking just a regular href and type. For example: link type=application/atom+xml href=http://mydomain.com/feed;

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread James Holderness
David House wrote: We have two options here: give up or serve as text/xml (I guess the latter won't be too popular). Really, browsers should recognise application/atom+xml as something they can parse as XML and do so. I can't understand why so many people want to prevent the browser from

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread John Panzer
James Holderness wrote: David House wrote: We have two options here: give up or serve as text/xml (I guess the latter won't be too popular). Really, browsers should recognise application/atom+xml as something they can parse as XML and do so. I can't understand why so