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Re: Do you feel excluded? My thoughts on a forum are this.1. It's an idea that makes my skin crawl. To me, having blind people come into (any) forum and ask blind people questions is screaming 'freak show' at me. What do I mean by that...I mean that it, to me, sounds like it's making

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Re: Do you feel excluded? My thoughts on a forum are this.1. It's an idea that makes my skin crawl. To me, having blind people come into (any) forum and ask blind people questions is screaming 'freak show' at me. What do I mean by that...I mean that it, to me, sounds like it's making

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Re: Do you feel excluded? My thoughts on a forum are this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436342/#p436342 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I do not have much experience to speak of this, but come on:My school where I was originally studying was created to serve blind people, then integrating people with vision.When I studied, I noticed a clear separation of people:The blind group and the rest

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I do not have much experience to speak of this, but come on:My school where I was originally studying was created to serve blind people, then integrating people with vision.When I studied, I noticed a clear separation of people:The blind group and the rest

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Re: Do you feel excluded? It has happened that I refuse to play Q9 for 1 year due to being scared of the edge of the cliff.So one day I decided to give the game another chance and see if I could overcome this problem, and fortunately, I succeeded.I am very happy for this, since for me

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Without repeating what's been said, I tend to agree that a forum dedicated to such a cause wouldn't bode well for us. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it. People either have the intrinsic desire to learn more about something

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I just want to circle back to a point I made way back, in this thread and in others.Do the best you can in the ways that you can. If that means you have a small circle you run with, and they all get it, and life is better for you when you're interacting with them

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Here’s how I see it. We are discriminated against, and judged, and we can‘t help but be pregedious towards them. And it’s not bad. But, we can take it too far. So far that we start damaging ourselves and trapping our ability to reach out. And indeed we

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Re: Do you feel excluded? What would be in it for them? How would we even advertise such a thing without it coming off as hostile? What would make them want to visit a forum about audio games when they have literally billions of other places to go on the internet?I'm editing this post

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Re: Do you feel excluded? "High risk, low reward" more or less describes everything people-related, from this side of the glass anyway. It doesn't have to be that way for everyone else, though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436205/#p436205 -- Audiogames-reflect

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I feel like the level of disdain in this thread is borderline self-defeating and almost toxic. This whole mentality of "Well the world is fucked so why even try". If you want to live that way, you'll die that way. Speaking for myself, at least, I would r

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Re: Do you feel excluded? What would be in it for them? How would we even advertise such a thing without it coming off as hostile? What would make them want to visit a forum about audio games when they have literally billions of other places to go on the internet? URL: https

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Where did I ever say "they needed to devote their life to anything?" I was just noting before how even poster campaigns or radio adverts had failed to arouse interest, and how most actual change usually comes from blindness being part of someone else'

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Where did I ever say "they needed to devote their life to anything?" I was just noting before how even poster campaigns or radio adverts had failed to arouse interest, and how most actual change usually comes from blindness being part of someone else'

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Yes, your expectations are too high, their focus is narrow, they care only about what they can do to fulfill their agenda. It would make no difference. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436172/#p436172 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: Do you feel excluded? You ake it sound like they need to devote their life to it. So what if they visit the forum for 2 minutes? That’s more than 0. Will 2 minutes improve anything? Probably not. But the resource is there for anyone who does care, and for people with 2 minute interest

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @Zarvox, there have been lots of disability awareness campaigns. Here in the UK for example the RNIB used to publish some extremely twee adverts with a little girl explaining how hard it was to not see the stars, then there was a poster campaign with disabled

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @Zarvox, there have been lots of disability awareness campaigns. Here in the UK for example the RNIB used to publish some extremely twee adverts with a little girl explaining how hard it was to not see the stars, then there was a poster campaign with disabled

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I don't see it either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436148/#p436148 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Has anyone know if this has been done before? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436143/#p436143 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I just don't see something like that taking off, plus it smacks of being similar to a reeducation camp to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436139/#p436139 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Ok fine everyone is entitled to bitching about rights. I just wanted a strong quote to end on that sounded cool. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436137/#p436137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Ok fine everyone is entitled to bitching about rights. I just wanted a strong quote to end on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436137/#p436137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: Do you feel excluded? At dark, see this is why I highly, highly suggest a room on this forum for educating sighted people. Where they can go there to ask questions. To learn about what they can do as individuals to accomidate us better. So the next time they see a blind person

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @leibylucw my point, is that yes, all of this takes work, but its work we shouldn't need to put in. Very few other minorities physically need assistance  buying items from a shop simply by nature of the items themselves, and while I'm definitely sure

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @25 It doesn't haunt me, in fact, I generally don't even like people all that much. Most of them are shallow, vein, self-obsessed unintelligent creatures I want nothing to do with. This is why I love animals. they make no judgments against you. All you have to do

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Re: Do you feel excluded? It doesn't haunt me, in fact, I generally don't even like people all that much. Most of them are shallow, vein, self-obsessed unintelligent creatures I want nothing to do with. This is why I love animals. they make no judgments against you. All you have to do

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Your anecdote has everything to do with the "bettered"nature" of humans, though. Developers' willingness to include usability for us in spite of our blindness is dependent upon their willingness to accommodate. Getting into an Uber with your guide d

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @leibylucw,  I don't think your assessment of "wanting people to be better natured" is necessarily accurate, I've noticed myself I've got on fine in places where  i was valued for the talents I have, rather than  devalued for the sensory information I d

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Why is there no forum strictly devoted for educating sighted people? A forum where sighted people cam ask questions and we can answer. A forum where we can just talk with them. We have a billion forums, but not that one. We could even make it a room on this forum

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @leibylucw,  I don't think your assessment of "wanting people to be better natured" is necessarily accurate, I've noticed myself I've got on fine in places where  i was valued for the talents I have, rather than  devalued for the sensory informat

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @dark, perhaps it's not an immediate  question of getting sight back or not, but the resentment you've described is what often leads blind people to wishing they did have it. What makes more sense? Solving every subset of problems we face because of our lack

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Re: Do you feel excluded? To push back a little bit here, @31, you're assuming that sighted people would automatically have that line of thinking. Again, we can't expect the world to think in the same ways we do. Yes, what you said makes sense, but what reason would the general population

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @leibylucw, i don't think its a question of anyone wishing for sight, that is a hole other topic. I do however think its not unreasonable to wish to have the same ease carrying out everyday tasks, including social interaction as everyone else does. To take

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I agree with that, social media is something I don't really get the point of. I do understand that, if we want to appear normal and well-adjusted to sighted folks, we should make an effort to get on their level, so to speak, and not having social media does kinda

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Re: Do you feel excluded? The majority of the screenshots of text people share (when they could just PASTE THE FREAKIN TEXT) are inane rubbish I regret puting in the effort to open, download, view, share, and recognize with SeeingAI. ... I left out the "will it or nill it let me

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Re: Do you feel excluded? My turn to post in this topic. Let's start with my comment on 25. To everyone who has commented on it, I understnadand agree with you. However, when someone asks the question: how do the blind use technology? Well let's think about how we can receive information

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @25, I guarantee there are things other minority groups are aware of on a large scale that you are not. That’s a very arrogant attitude to have, and I assure you it will not serve you well when interacting with sighted people (and yes, a majority of people have

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Wow @25, I do think that post was a little extreme. Is it really wrong for someone sighted to not know about NVDA or how blind people use a computer? Let me ask you, do you know all the intricacies of driving a wheel chair, communicating using sign language

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Re: Do you feel excluded? A lot of how blind people feel is reminiscent of "the grass is always greener on the other side." Our frustrations bear so much weight on the positive outlook we have for the thought of being granted sight that we don't regard the downfalls of vision,

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Re: Do you feel excluded? The sighted, by and large, have no use for nor need of things like NVDA. The average sighted person is not going to know about such things, as it represents something of a niche bit of knowledge. it's common for us, not so common for them. Ask yourself

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Re: Do you feel excluded? On the driving issue turtlepower, I think in fairness that depends upon  your location. While everyone drives in the UK, there are also train services connecting all major cities, plus tram services in cities themselves, so your actual taxi rides

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Hello. I am going to go into a very long post, so be prepared.I have been blind from birth, and when it comes to not being included, it really doesn't matter how hard you tell your self not to worry about it, it'll get better, it really doesn't help. At least

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I use Snapchat and Instagram. I mainly post my photos and videos and watch other people's videos and Instagram has photo description that is okay. You should try them out again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435772/#p435772 -- Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Do you feel excluded? It may be true that we as blind people put more emphasis on driving than a sighted person does. In fact, the amount of complaining I've heard about gas prices and vehicle maintenence pretty much proves it, at least anecdotally. However, in my own case at least, I

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @Jayde,  I run into that problem with blind people as well, however in my case I confess my own irritation at  the situation is precisely because! I've made the effort. I was never allowed to get away with bad social skills growing up. I've had tea parties

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Re: Do you feel excluded? It's okay Dark, I don't agree with the state of Pennsylvania's general sense of politics either... Sometimes I wonder if people give consideration to what makes a good friend a good friend. Jayde's point about the driving situation seems to be a big thing

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I've had this feeling when, say, going to a new doctor's office, or walking through a mall. The number of times I have been told I don't know where I'm going, or even grabbed to steer me right, is ridiculous and stupid.As for the social/friendship side

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @leibylucw, I remember when I used to have friends like that, be prepared to see them all vanish when  they procreate, sorry but this is how it is, the second that you hit the age when most people around you are increasing the population, you no longer exist

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I've experienced the whole talking through you and to the sighted person you're with. I was with a friend at the liquor store one night picking up liquor (no, really?). I was using sighted guide so I wasn't risking knocking into the bottles and breaking them

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Re: Do you feel excluded? That's a good point about doctors' visits being made stupidly uncomfortable. That's exactly the reason why I never go unless I absolutely have to, and even so, and luckily for me, it's only every once in a great while to get an antibiotic or whatever. I would

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Re: Do you feel excluded? My attitude is, "move on and try to find those who you're compatible with."I think I'd have better luck looking for a wish-granting item, items, or being. They're equally imaginary, after all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/43563

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Re: Do you feel excluded? And post 14 showcases why I stopped going to my doctor's visits with my parents.  I got my physicals when they were required for the sake of athletics, and then I never set foot in medical offices until... Gosh, I dunno, 26?  27?  It's not like they looked at me

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Re: Do you feel excluded? kaigoku wrote:the coworker who asked the question simply said something along the lines of, "Uh-Huh, thank you."I don't know how you actually got over a put-down like that. I imagine myself in that situation and would have probably quit. LOL. Jobs

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Again as I said in the socialisation topic, it depends upon the people. Frankly yes the prevalence of funny videos and conversations that basically are just variations on the "h look at that" theme are down right depressing. However, if you can fi

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Again as I said in the socialisation topic, it depends upon the people. Frankly yes the prevalence of funny videos and conversations that basically are just variations on the "h look at that" theme are down right depressing. However, if you can fi

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Hello,On the question of being included or excluded, I think a lot depends on who are you surrounded by and on what situations occurs the interaction with those that you communicate. For the past seven years, I'd say 95% of my overall interaction has been

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I tend to overthink things like these in my head, and then I end up just becoming depressed by them. As an example, I ended up having to repeat my current school year. I attend a school that offers a major in pop music, and before, I used to be in aclass of great

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Re: Do you feel excluded? You know what they say, "the smallest things can make the biggest difference." The irony here is that this saying usually connotes small pleasantries leading to us feeling good or making our day. In your case, it's quite the opposite, and it's perfectly

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Man, another great post! I completely agree with everything you wrote. Yes, there's an inherent desire to want to be a part of society, what with certain generations setting the trend for popular culture and such. More power to you if you can ignore it and develop

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Man, another great post! I completely agree with everything you wrote. Yes, there's an inherent desire to want to be a part of society, what with certain generations setting the trend for popular culture and such. More power to you if you can ignore it and develop

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @5I wish there was a resource or community for these types of discussions. They are one of the biggest reasons why I continue to return to the forum. Maybe it's because I'm at that point in my life where these are the types of things that are on my mind. I'm

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Re: Do you feel excluded? I don't have much trouble with the social media side of things because quite frankly I find it really shallow that people are just posting memes about how they feel now instead of writing it out. If it weren't for the fact that there are a couple people and groups

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Re: Do you feel excluded? @2, great point. In all reality, the sighted realm deals with this internally. Musicians won't click well with sports buffs, artsy people won't mesh well with computer geeks, etc. I'm obviously wildly stereotyping here, but I take your point and believe

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Topics like these are precisely why I keep on believing in our community. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435437/#p435437 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: Do you feel excluded? Very well said. I absolutely agree with all of this. You put it very well when you explained that it's not so much the blindness that you have a problem with, it's the impact it has on communicating with others. I share the same thoughts about feeling somewhat

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Re: Do you feel excluded? yeah meme culture is one of those things we would have no clue over but which is just so popular these days. It definitely is one area where we are not included because of how visual it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435428/#p435428 -- Audiogames

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Re: Do you feel excluded? The other side of the coin is, do sighted people just nod along politely and do their best to keep the peace as hard as we do when we talk about things that blind people tend to be into primarily, such as sound design, audio games, music, etc.? I actually had

Do you feel excluded?

Do you feel excluded? My post about being disliked in social situations by sighted people simply because of blindness got me thinking about the opposite perspective.My attitude is, "move on and try to find those who you're compatible with."I would be remiss, however, if I d