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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I used to use Amazon almost exclusively, but after three years of struggling with their site's constant inaccessibility issues, I quit them and now only turn to them as a last resort.During those three years, it seemed that everytime

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Well, maybe my days with Audible are now over. I can't download books from my Mac. WHen I go to my library on the website, I can't find download links. The only thing I get is a link that says go to product page. Does this now mean that the only

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I don't know what they charge now a days, but when I canceled my subscription to their streaming service three years ago due to vision loss they were charging $8 a month.I'd also bet that another reason that they are loosing members

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil We'll see. Netflix are already losing customers for their most recent price hikes, but they claim VPN users are "a vocal minority". If I were the Netflix CEO I wouldn't regard the outrage I've seen on this issue as symptomatic o

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil The problem is that the people at Netflix doesn't know what the right reasons are that they should be standing up for.What's needed is a member exodus like the one they experienced when they tried to crank up their rates a few years back

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Heh. Silly Netflix. This is all going to end in tears.And yes, they do get some of the blame. They have the market share; they should use it to twist the arms of the self-important arseholes who make this nonsense possible. Ditto Apple. But oh

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Well, we can only hope, the studios will lose a lot of money through piracy. Some people apparently, need to learn the hard way. I wonder though, why never anyone said anything about Apple. I mean, it's actually pretty easy, to get access

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Maybe, at some time, Netflix didn't pay attention to your location, but I'd be willing to bet that the studios or content owners eventually did and threatened to terminate Netflix's license to carry their content, if they didn't start restricting

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil To me, it's blind mice for the win. They have described movies as it is. All they need is a better cloud instead of sendspace. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257658#p257658

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil It is not that easy, and Netflix is not fully innocent in this matter. They looked away all these years, without any problems. I wonder, what made them give in so sudden. And yes, the studios need to start to re-think this whole situation

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil You can't blame Netflix for that, just as you can't blame Steam for regional pricing of games that make many games either unavailable to some regions or nearly twice the price of what US customers pay.Like Steam, Netflix is primarily a market

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil And as if the cake needed any further icing, the Canadian Netflix users got royally screwed...http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/netflix … 99?cmp=rssDamn it netflix, and licensing! What does region have to do with anything! Another reason copyright

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Although using a patch cable to record the play back from one device and recording it in MP3 format on another is one way to bypass DRM, it has two problems.1. You need to have access to a device that is authorized to play the media.2. Depending

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I have thought that people would have found workarounds by now, like using an auxiliary cable to transfer the audio from one device to another, and make an MP3 file out of it, unless that is a subject matter entirely different from the one

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @SebbyThat's why I only used Steam for games that were exclusive to it. Some other users say that Valve has promised and alternative unlock for Steam games should Steam ever be shut down, but so far no one has been able to provide proof

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil This isn't DRM, as such, but it's closely related, because it highlights the true horror of depending on somebody else over the Internet.Revolv, an Internet-connected smart home automation hub solution, will shut down on May 15, less than two

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Hey guys,I have read somewhere in this topic, that it is possible, to remove DRM from the M4P-files, which can be downloaded through apple music. The program noteburner was mentioned. So, I downloaded it, but the whole thing seems to be pretty

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @Figment,I think it goes back to the Audible dilemma in this thread.  Sadly these companies hold the legal right to just pack up and leave with no warning.  I'm not nearly wellversed enough to know what a good projection would

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Gene, you're allowed 3 activations for the eloquence sapi. If deactivated, an activation will be removed from your activation count. Ticon Blue were actually very good about responding to my questin oof whether you had to reactivate when

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil In answer to whether DRM is evil, my answer is no. What is evil are the companies that mis use it. What is mis use? Mis use is DRM models that clearly force you into a situation of actualy renting the content you purchased.As an example, consider

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Where I am coming from is the desire to make audio games to sell at some point. If I make a demo version and the full version to be one, I would have to put some kind of DRM on it. If I separate the two different versions out, wouldn't that mean

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil See post 27 for my take on why DRM is evil.Broadly speaking, DRM means losing control. Even if we agreed that this was somehow maximally beneficial to all concerned, it fundamentally presumes guilt over innocence, and that's why I find

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Well, what is evil?  What is good?  What broken?  What is fixed, or better yet, not broken?Who's to answer these questions and how can we all understand these subjective terms universally?Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil That is an understatement. I don't even think that the whole copyright system has gotten it straighten out yet. LOL. So, is it DRM that is evil, or is the whole copyright system that is broken? Right now, I am just throwing in my two sense here

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil CW,[[wow]].  I can't even think to answer all your questions.  But I will say this: interpretations are a hell of a lot of the struggle in the game.Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=251666#p251666

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil The problem I tried to bring up per say is the problem of trust and when does it fit into this. some of whom knows about the DRM of audible most likely figures that audible is going to be around for long enough for it not to matter. Sometimes

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil The problem I tried to bring up per say is the problem of trust and when does it fit into this. some of whom knows about the DRM of audible most likely figures that audible is going to be around for long enough for it not to matter. Sometimes

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil This is also true.  I was panning to the non-technical users since the ones who know the logistics of DRM are an infitesimal fraction of the population and demographic of those who are at the mercy of the evils of DRM.  But also understand

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I don't even think it's limited to non-technical users. Technical users don't start out with an adversarial view of content providers, either. And why should they? If the DRM is particularly well-executed, they won't even know it's happening

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil We are rather fortunate to have the knowledge on the subject.  Companies know that they can manipulate their customers into buying their products that are laced with DRM.  To the average user, as long as they can access the content, they don't

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil aVery good points, Cw. @Luke: Quicktime does come with itunes on windows, and quicktime player on windows. It 's built into the mac, but any player from Apple, whether it be mac gor windows, has quicktime. One of the windows software used

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil First of all, DRM is best used for renting. Beyond that, you havea bit of a question to ask. The way you answer will depend on how you look at things to some degree. For example, are you buying or selling? If you are buying, you want to do what

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Seeing as how the Victor players don't support m4b files the way they do Audible files--somewhat ironic, given that Audible is encrypted m4b--I'm now in the situation of having to continue to use the DRM Audible format until Humanware support m4b

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Seeing as how the Victor players don't support m4b files the way they do Audible files--somewhat ironic, given that Audible is encrypted m4b--I'm now in the situation of having to continue to use the DRM Audible format until Humanware support m4b

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil That makes sense.  I for one am nitpicky with audio quality, and burning to a CD just adds several steps that aren't necessarily the primary way of extracting the music.  But the "Quicktime Runtime" you mentioned -- where does that exis

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil It is intended to be, yes. Or was, rather. There was still always a wway around it by burning it to a cd, but you'd get compressed songs if you did that. and not just itunes. Any player that had the quicktime runtime in it, including quicktime

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil My appologies.  I read online that M4P was specifically a particular file codek of its own.  I just researched it again and now know it is just an M4A inside of a protected file format.  M4P was something I hadn't seen before, either.  So &quo

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil leibylucwgamer wrote:Apple Music does NOT utilize the M4A encoding.  It uses Apple's new M4P encoding.Keep in mind Apple's m4p encoding is most certainly not new. And m4p is not even an encoding, either. It's a standard mp4 container file rapped

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil If you could convert m4a files with iTunes, those files were not encrypted or DRM-protected in any way but were merely AAC wrapped inside MPEG4 containers, which I'd gladly take over MP3, since everything I own plays them.Indeed, I think one

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil leibylucwgamer;What version of iTunes are you running? And on what platform.I was running v12 of iTunes on Windows, and two months ago converted all my tracks purchased from iTunes to mp3s so I could abandon the iTunes program. All my purchased

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Figment,If you read my post before, you would understand Apple Music does NOT utilize the M4A encoding.  It uses Apple's new M4P encoding.  Get that through your head.  I'm having a hard time explaining logic to you since it apparently passes

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil leibylucwgamer;The whole idea behind Apple Music is that it is a subscription service, which means that you have the right to access the music as long as your subscription to Apple Music is current. By removing the DRM you remove that restriction

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil leibylucwgamer;The whole idea behind Apple Music is that it is a subscription service, which means that you have the right to access the music as long as your subscription to Apple Music is current. By removing the DRM you remove that restriction

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Well, I certainly think Apple Music would be more useful without the DRM, but nevertheless it is intended as a _streaming_ service. That's why it has DRM. You could certainly argue that mere availability was reason enough to surrender that kind

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil There is also another program designated for Spotify.  However, there are no clauses in the Apple Music terms and conditions (which I read in its entirety) that prohibit the use of third-party programs to remove the DRM encoding.  When you

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Oh, you mean Apple Music, the streaming subscription service. I'd rather there weren't DRM on that either, but I also can't think of any situation currently where I'd want to strip it. You certainly shouldn't be keeping the resulting DRM-free

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @Figment,I said Apple Music.  The M4P file extension is found on downloaded content to a computer.  M4A uses the M4P encoding to use the DRM Apple has brutally subjected its consumers to.Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Fair enough. I'd give them money for dropping the DRM, that's for sure, but 5 activations for life is simply unacceptable. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=250925#p250925

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil The only iOS device I have is an iPhone 5s that I just decided to keep in lue of getting an iPhone 6s, and that is for communication and information, not for entertainment. For entertainment I have a Victor Reader Stream, and for game playing I

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil You mean audiogame.it? Yeah, I'm not putting up with that bullshit either. I wish they'd told me before I purchased my first game from them. Just buy from the iOS App Store; it's still DRM, but at least it's a whole lot less likely to break. URL

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil That's why I avoid software that requires online activation as much as possible. For most games, that means buying a physical box with discs inside. Most of those use a discs check instead of online activation. So I'm not dependant on some server

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil There is no problem with "Intellectual property" owners protecting it. I merely insist that it not punish the rightful owner of the product bearing it. DRM is incompatible with that. Best case, ask your consumers to cooperat

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I guess the bottom line is that I simply don't understand how or why everyone feels that it is wrong for content creators to protect their intellectual property from thieves. Do you all leave your homes unlocked while you're away? URL: http

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @jaybird got your email; will deal with it soon. Deluged at the mo. And I agree with your stance; as a rule, cutting yourself off doesn't help any if you have the means to drop the DRM. Although of course I wish Audible wouldn't use it to start

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @jaybird got your email; will deal with it soon. Deluged at the mo. And I agree with your stance; as a rule, cutting yourself off doesn't help any if you have the means to drop the DRM. Although of course I wish Audible wouldn't use it to start

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil OK, found two links bound for New Zealand (mega.co.nz). Requires Chrome or Flash for download. Hope you can handle that.For Windows (1.71).For Mac (0.09).The Windows version is probably the superior because it performs batch conversions. But as I

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil OK, found two links bound for New Zealand (mega.co.nz). Requires Chrome or Flash for download. Hope you can handle that.For Windows (1.71).For Mac (0.09).The Windows version is probably the superior because it performs batch conversions. But as I

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @jaybird got your email; will deal with it soon. Deluged at the mo. And I agree with your stance; as a rule, cutting yourself off doesn't help any if you have the means to drop the DRM. Although of course I wish Audible wouldn't use it to start

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil leibylucwgamer wrote:I've recently found a program called Noteburner iTunes DRM Audio Converter that strips Apple Music content of its DRM encoding.  It works successfully and I would recommend it to anyone.Best Regards,LukeI didn't know iTunes

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Would someone mind sending me a PM with details of how to obtain Inaudible as well?I think the material on BARD is even more strictly controlled than that of Audible. Personally while I have access to it I've never cared for it, as a lot

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I've recently found a program called Noteburner iTunes DRM Audio Converter that strips Apple Music content of its DRM encoding.  It works successfully and I would recommend it to anyone.Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Sebby,I guess that's the difference between you and me. I try to look at things with a positive, rather than a negative view. DRM is here to stay, so instead of focusing on the negative points of that fact, I try to put a positive spin

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @Sebby, I sent you an Email.At everyone, where I'm coming from is that I definitely prefer services where DRM is not employed, but sometimes you have no choice but to use a service that does use DRM. For example, if Audible has a book I want

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I think I understand you. There's something psychological going on.DRM makes premium bits feel more premium. I'm sure I've experienced that. Heck, I'm sure Audible was responsible for that, to some extent. It's such a wonderful, vertical, well

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Whether DRM causes harm depends on what it does.Before I lost my vision I was an avid gamer. Almost all of the games I played had some form of DRM protecting them, yet I never experienced any problems with the DRM, even when the vendor put very

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I think DRM is evil because it takes control away from the user; that's it's function, and it wouldn't be very useful DRM without it. It is a software adversary, that protects its masters from its users, and presumes guilt over innocence

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Ouch, I didn't realize that Amazon actively tries to prevent multiple accounts. I guess that means that I'll never use Audible until there's an easy way to remove their DRM.Not that it matters, since Audible books end up on BARD in a couple

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Ouch, I didn't realize that Amazon actively tries to prevent multiple accounts. I guess that means that I'll never use Audible until there's an easy way to remove their DRM.Not that it matters, since Audible books end up on BARD in a couple

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @Figment: Yes. I completely understand that a retailer has the right to refuse business for any reason, and that indeed, returns can mean losses that, if unchecked, would not provide any incentive for the customer to moderate their spending

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @enes: files received, thanks! I wish I'd checked my PMs sooner; I already had them, but through Mega, which on any browser besides Chrome requires Adobe bloody Flash to obtain. Ugh! Ended up using Chrome on XP, which supports the APIs required

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I understand that Audible talking books are in mp3 format, they just have a DRM wrapper around them.Before I'd be willing to use Audible, I'd first make sure I had a way to remove the DRM from my purchased books just as I did with my Kindle books

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I understand that Audible talking books are in mp3 format, they just have a DRM wrapper around them.Before I'd be willing to use Audible, I'd first make sure I had a way to remove the DRM from my purchased books just as I did with my Kindle books

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Hi.Yeah its a pitty with digital goods, you can't sell them on.with physical goods I have sold them on, and in fact some stuff I have got because others didn't want it and gave/sold it on.I agree if you return to much amazon is fully

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil wanderer wrote:Ideally the books would be sold as standard MP3 files, then this wouldn't be an issue.I agree, that's why I don't use audible myself, instead I buy my talking books from some sites I've found that offer them as MP3s. Their books

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I agree... but most companies who use DRM really don't care; they just use it to make more money. I'm guessing that Amazon's mindset is "So what if anyone loses access to their purchased content? We've got a billion other customers who don't

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Ideally the books would be sold as standard MP3 files, then this wouldn't be an issue. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=250661#p250661 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I thought I said as much in my first paragraph.My example was for Amazon's closing his account.It's unfortunate that the Amazon and Audible accounts are the same account. Ideally they should be separate. Then his audible.com books wouldn't

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I agree, but there's one very important difference.Sure, you can say that guy can't enter your store any more. But denying access to purchased content via DRM would be like you, the store owner, saying, "Okay, not only are we going to not

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil While I agree that your brother's already purchased collection of digital content should be accessible to him perpetually. I can also see Amazon's point of view.Consider this. You are a the owner of a store. You have a customer that returns most

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Hi.I agree.its one of the reasons I don't use steam.Aparently a friend that has it really gets pissed as some stuff he buys may come on a cool dvd 4gb in size however all the patches and non included content needs you to download another chunk

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil hi,sent you another pm containing the information you seek. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=250505#p250505 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Conversion between lossy formats is a problem, etc. I could probably manage, but really, I'd much rather just get the actual, decrypted, compressed data. Anyway, this was back in the days of the Audible codec for Windows Media Player (DirectShow

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Even if I wanted to play them on my phone, I can't as the Audible app requires iOS 8 or later and I am still on an iPhone 4. Out of curiosity, why would you convert your books to lossless? I believe the Audible format is basically just encrypted

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil And here is just one more example of Drm being overused, as it always has been. *sigh* Drm needs to die, and I feel the site Defective by Design says it all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=250432#p250432

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Yeah I know. I really don't like wandering off the straight and narrow. I guess if you purchase audiobooks then you appreciate that, especially when you have devices (iPhone, Stream) and software (iTunes) that support Audible so perfectly

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil This is why I don't download from Audible; I'll occasionally buy something from them because I actually do care about supporting the author, but being as my preferred portable device for playing books on is my Sansa Clip Zip with Rockbox

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Well, legal options would certainly be very interesting, given that these are digital purchases. Or rather, licenses ...It's certainly an idea though. We're just trawling for info at this point. And it doesn't look as if it's a particularly new

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Meh, if it's too late for your brother to retrieve his content, and he did indeed purchase it without breaking any (legal) law, he aught to contact an attorney. Aren't audio books from Audible like $20 ssomething? I know they are on ITunes but I

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil @enes Thanks, I responded in a PM. Probably, because PMs don't generate email notifies, it's simpler just to email (I have a direct address, although forum mail works too). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=250417#p250417

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil hi sebby,I've sent you a pm about inaudible and obtaining it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=250414#p250414 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Thanks guys.You can be sure I'm looking, but it seems that Inaudible is now being chased by Audible (surprise!) because it decrypts the material losslessly. It is now on a private tracker somewhere. Anyone know where and how? I can save myself

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I agree with everything said here about DRM. You should be able to strip it from the books using a program like Inaudible. Since Amazon won't give you the keys to the door, break it down. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil I agree with everything said here about DRM. You should be able to strip the DRM from the books using a program like Inaudible. Since Amazon won't give you the keys to the door, break it down. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Sebby, you're absolutely correct. The bloody corporations only care about keeping their wallets fat. They don't care about anyone, except themselves. As long as they have some sort of leverage over their customers (in the form of DRM), they think

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with the result that he can no longer

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with the result that he can no longer

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with the result that he can no longer

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with the result that my brother can