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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god hi.Here's some more options to think about: Why should god fix all the things you want it to fix?Why must the creator care about us?What if we chose to go to this lower relm and gods in such a high vibrational state that reaching us is very hard

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Wing of Eternity, ideally if someone is born, it means they're a new member of a family or whatnot. This is usually a cause for joy or celebration, because in many cases the birth was expected, planned for and welcomed.Abdullah, you've gone through

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Hi.@abdullah_mohammad I agree with you. God not existing because there's pain and suffering in the world makes no sense to me.I've suffered through bullieing, and family drama, but I don't deny an existance after we die because of that.IF

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @Jayde, well said. Only  one  more question, why should you be happy when someone is born? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619715/#p619715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @Jayde, well said only one question, why should you be happy when someone is born? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619715/#p619715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god jayde, god doesn't exist for you. god does exist for me however. and if you are complaining about how some deaths are slow, you should come to palestine and see how it is here. all deaths are very slow here and very painful but you don't see me

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god jayde, god doesn't exist for you. god does exist for me however. and if you are complaining about how some deaths are slow, you should come to palestine and see how it is here. all deaths are very slow here and very painful but you don't see me

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @jaydeI wouldn't bother arguing.  People claiming that god has reasons are using it as a denial mechanism, of a sort, because if god has reasons then it's not meaningless suffering, it's meaningful suffering, which is better.I say the world would

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Oh wise and all powerful god, could you not take a nanosecond from your eon and whisper in my grandmother's ear not to get out of bed. Because on the floor is where I found her this morning, and getting her up hurt her even more. No, you can't do

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Abdullah, you're right on one count. We shouldn't blame god. This is primarily because god doesn't exist, at least not on the terms that organized religion (of any denomination) would claim.It's perfectly natural to feel joy when someone is born

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @JayJay my friend as i said before, the horrid cruels that are commited are not god's fault, this is merely how life goes. this is the rule of life my friend, and we can't change it. it is not god's fault that this is how it is. it is a test for us

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Hi.I can't remember if I mentioned this in my last post but I went through  the tunnel that peple speak about as a kid. I've left my body and felt energy in my hands and so on, i'm not afraide of dieing because I know I'll go somewhere.I think I

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @85, allow me to put to you the following question.Lets say we have a household with a father, and his 3 children. One was sold off to a sex slavery ring, the other one is wipped and beaten while worked on the father's farm, and the other one

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @jayde life is a test. you have to be patient and simply blaming god for everything doesn't really solve anything. i am not trying to minimize no body's suffering, because we all suffer in some way or the other. we should all be patient and accept

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @everyone do you know the story of Sisyphus?  He was so powerfull and so wisse, that he could even keep himself alive by rolling a bolder.  When I meat him for the first time he was happy, and let me tell you something, he is still happy

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @everyone do you know the story of Sisyphus?  He was so powerfull and so wisse, that he could even keep himself alive by rolling a bolder.  When I meat him for the first time he was happy, and let me tell you something, he is still happy

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @everyone do you know the story of Sisyphus?  He was so powerfull and so wisse, that he could even keep the himself alive by rolling a bolder.  When I meat him for the first time he was happy, and let me tell you something, he is still happy

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @Jayde, allow me to fix that. Get ready for some cursing...Fuck this idea. It's stupid. Lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619664/#p619664 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Abdullah, you say it's human nature to suffer, or human nature for things to break down. Yes, okay...but -why is it human nature? If you're defending god, then you're also accepting that he created people, thus is responsible for human nature. He

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Hi,I think one of my biggest problems with religion is that there is so much contradiction, even here in a topic with less than 100 posts I’ve seen different people defending religion contradict each other. On one hand I hear people saying god can

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god life is a test. you can't blame god for everything like that. your grandma will get a reward for being patient. you don't go around blaming god for human nature, which is aging, pain, etc. the sun doesn't just explode, it goes through stages before

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god again I have personally seen a higher power at work, but that doesn't get me the right to go chase it down. Cool, I had its assistance when I needed it. Now we have parted ways. If I need it again, whether I get the same one or not doesn't matter

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @GrannyCheeseWheel I can only begin to imagine what you're going through. Personally, if I was in your shoes I honestly don't think I could do it. So you have my respect! I really hope the remainder of your grandma's life is spent in relative

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Well, I considder myself an agnostic just because I remain always open to any possibility of God existing though, until now, my experiences haven't proven it's existence.I practice meditation, it has been about 10 years since I begun and in those

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Well, I considder myself an agnostic just because I remain always open to any possibility of God existing though, until now, my experiences haven't proven it's existence.I practice meditation, it has been about 10 years since I begun and in those

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @69 Not really. My mom yes, me, no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619606/#p619606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I am not talking about NDE, though that also raises a lot of questions. I am talking about data like  this. if it's all just hallucination, then it's a damned good one where the claims are actually verified.@Ethin: I fully agree. I've been looking

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @72, the huge problem with proving that anything exists after death is the fact that there's no way of actually testing such a hypothesis. Well, there is: the scientific method, sort of. The problem is that there are ethical implications

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @72, the huge problem with proving that anything exists after death is the fact that there's no way of actually testing such a hypothesis. Well, there is: the scientific method, sort of. The problem is that there are ethical implications

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god My understanding is that when you're dying, a lot of stuff is going on in the brain. All that stuff translates to hallucinations and such. Basically it's all in your head. As far as people seeing what's going on in the room at the time, I've read

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god The scientific enquiry has no way of explaining the data gathered by Ian Stevenson, though. Obviously something does happen after death, otherwise we wouldn't have such a shit ton of cases people remembering stuff they shouldn't. What happens

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @Camlorn, in my experience people can definitely be convinced into atheism. It happened to me and to some other people I know as well. I do agree that you probably do need to be a particular kind of person though, I'm not exactly sure how

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god When I was younger, I used to be a lot more spiritual than I am now. I don't think I ever truly called myself a Christian, but I was always taught that God exists and is always there. I don't recall ever being taught to fear God, however. I once

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Folks, I really don't know that continuing this thread is a good idea.@66 I'm sorry you're going through what you are. It sounds incredibly rough. I actually had a pretty bad breakdown a few weeks back during the Texas snowstorm, so maybe I can

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Hi.@GrannyCheeseWheel, I know we haven't gotten on in the past man but I actually am sorry you're going through what you are.My nans (grandmas) mum had Alzheimer's and hearing her crying out at night, the family having to put an alarm mat thing

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @63Kind of.  It is important to understand that science has actually changed very rapidly in the last 100 years.  I'm not arguing with you: we have similar opinions.  But it will help you to understand the other side of this if you look

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god There is no truth giver, there is only truth. It's what you get when you take the substance of life and melt it down a crucible, so that all the impurities are gone and what remains is exactly the truth.All powerful god huh? Well I had to put my

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Why would someone write a seven-hundred-page work of fiction? Talk to Stephen King, whose motives were both money and entertainment. I suspect that those who originally wrote the Bible had far less pure a motive even than this. "Do what s

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I, am a christian, and i'm not the type to start some argument about how you should trust god, and at 61, well, it's science, but. what made all that stuff happen to create this earth we now live in today. I Really don't want to start anything so

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @57, I didn't know the scientific method was that new. But my point is that science has hundreds to thousands of years of knowledge and experimentation backing pretty much everything. There are some purely theoretical things, like theories about

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god My question would go may be a bit ferther, why would a good god even create anything?  What makes someone create a universe or anything else for that matter? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619566/#p619566 -- Audiogames-reflector

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god So if you guise didn't believe in god then, Think about us, earth, sky, sun, moon, animals, plants, waters, who created all that?I can't think of someone else other than god him self. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619565/#p619565

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I've never said that Jesus didn't exist in some form. But just as Trump supporters claim he won the 2020 election and claim his two impeachments don't matter, so I would argue that followers of Christianity have, over time and with great personal

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @Camlorn, I seriously have to assume you were trying to be funny, as you and I both know that you don't care about the existence of gay unicorns anymore than I do as they have no bearing on your life whatsoever.  Nothing changes if it is proved

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @43, by your logic, if there is absolute truth then I have to accept that truth may not exist, making the all truth is relative concept a thing all over again.  No, if absolute truth exists, it is because there is an absolute truth giver, else

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I've come to the ultimate conclusion that it's a bunch of shit primarily designed to comfort people into believing there's something after death. Magic isn't real, and it still isn't no matter how hard I wish it was to make this boring world much

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @51The scientific method is very, very new.  I think 1700s-ish, but not sure on the exact dates.  It's not innate to people.  You have to learn it.  It's not self-propagating, and is actually counterintuitive to most people even once explained.I

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I've come to the ultimate conclusion that it's a bunch of shit primarily designed to comfort people into believing there's something after death. Magic isn't real, and it won't be no matter how hard I wish it was to make this boring world much less

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @NocturnusI find your morality argument quite interesting. Please do correct me if I am wrong here, but it sounds to me a lot like you are saying, that you cannot imagine living in a world with no ultimate moral standards.I see one problem

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god The population-control argument is kind of undone by the fact that many of these diseases either don't kill at all, or do it really, really slowly. If population control was really a problem, why not make humans a lot more susceptible to aneurysms

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I'm an atheist myself. I respect peoples beliefs, of course, and I'm not going to force anyon to believe what I believe or anything. But I don't believe that God exists because there's absolutely no evidence to prove that he does. The only things

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Ironically, we are getting more and more diseases, so that may becoming closer and closer to the truth. Only 1 problem with that theory... god doesn't exist! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619546/#p619546 -- Audiogames-reflector

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @NocturnusI find your morality argument quite interesting. Please do correct me if I am wrong here, but it sounds to me a lot like you are saying, that you cannot imagine living in a world with no ultimate moral standards.I see one problem

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Another thing is population control. A joking theory I always say is, natural diseases exist because god got too greedy and wanted more worship, so he kept letting the population grow larger and larger. There had to be a way to kill off

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @NocturnusI find your morality argument quite interesting. Please do correct me if I am wrong here, but it sound to me a lot like you are saying, that you cannot imagine living in a world with no ultimate moral standards.I see one problem

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I'm an atheist myself. I respect peoples beliefs, of course, and I'm not going to force anyon to believe what I believe or anything. But I don't believe that God exists because there's absolutely no evidence to prove that he does. The only things

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @24I have considered whether or not to write this post for a couple hours and have finally decided to do it.I am sorry, but you have in this post lost a great deal of respect from me. You pretty much did the only small thing that makes me really

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @NocturnusSee, that's the thing, and why I don't bother with these arguments.  Good arguing 101 isn't "prove x doesn't exist", it's "prove x does".  For example, to borrow a thing from Feynman, prove that there's not a dragon

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Not to worry, even I am affronted by the claims of presence of imaginary beings sometime. My condolences for what you and your grandma is going through. But remember, suffering is an inherent part of life, and whatever has begun must inevitably

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god then I think one can do it, but still it's a strange thing to be sure.  Sometimes I wander if I would be able to end someone's suffering.  It's so strange that suffering it's unique, and it has so many forms.  Such a horible thing to be sure.  I

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god then I think one can do it, but still it's a strange thing to be sure.  Sometimes I wander if I would be able to end someone's suffering.  It's so strange that suffering it's unique, and it has so many forms.  Such a horible thing to be sure.  I

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god The person would have to indicate that they wished to have it done. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619516/#p619516 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @43 Did you performe Euthanasia on that woman?  But did you ask her first if she really would want it.  I would say that euthanasi means nothing because none has the right to take the suffering of another person. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god When we're dealing with nonverifiable claims, the onus is virtually -always on the person making the claims to provide more than just their word that it's occurring. Put another way: it's never up to me to prove that god doesn't exist. It's always

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god If there is absolute truth, then there is the possibility that god does not exist, and never has. If you believe that truth cannot be relative to the individual, then you must believe in the chance that your god does not exist or you

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god If there is no such thing as truth, then I humbly submit there is no point.  ON the other hand, if truth exists at all and it exists outside of ourselves rather than as just a man-made construct by which we do our best in our flawed state to govern

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind as to a way to do it without being noticed. And yeah, Jayde covered the moral constraint, it's not  putting my life above hers, because hers is ending soon, mine may, or it may not. If everything goes

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I'm agnostic, meaning I just go through my day normally, don't give 2 shits about higher powers or the like. But I do know something exists. What is it? I don't know. But I have gotten its attention before. It's probably something  I can never ever

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I'm agnostic, meaning I just go through my day normally, don't give 2 shits about higher powers or the like. But I do know something exists. What is it? I don't know. But I have gotten its attention before. It's probably something  I can never ever

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god

Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I'm agnostic, meaning I just go through my day normally, don't give 2 shits about higher powers or the like. But I do know something exists. What is it? I don't know. But I have gotten its attention before. It's probably something  I can never ever

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @camlorn, but that's just it.  Why is it good?  Why is it bad?  By who's standard and who or what gives that person or subset of people the right to determine good and bad and let it be what it is and why it is?  By that same logic you can keep

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I'm agnostic, meaning I just go through my day normally, don't give 2 shits about higher powers or the like. But I do know something exists. What is it? I don't know, and I don't care. But I have gotten its attention before. It's probably something

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @27We did all of that in 5 years, though.  Less time than it takes a human child to learn to talk.I was trying to avoid the argument because it feels very off topic, but the thing about "does the soul exist?" arguments is that every ti

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Killing should never, ever be easy.In a position like that of GCW, yes, there does come a point where one life has more potential value than another. We're talking about one person in his twenties or early thirties, and another who has almost

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god For what it's worth?  Unless something has seriously broken in you, I don't think killing is as easy as one thinks it might be, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as soldiers and the like with PTSD and such. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god If you are living in a free country and you can't kill someone because of laws, what is freedom? And if you believe what I mentioned is selfless and does good to the person, but you don't do it to her yourself, why do you expect a god to do

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I find that interesting; it is not wrong or immoral to end the life of a suffering woman.  It is wrong to spend the rest of your life in jail for doing it.  But then, it is also not selfish to not want to spend the rest of your life in jail while

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I would face a lifetime of consequences for doing so, which is why I don't. But I don't feel that it's immoral. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619477/#p619477 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I guess there's a debate to be had regarding selfishness vs selflessness then, and what those terms mean in this scenario. I suppose it might be selfless to end their suffering even though you could be prosecuted for that. I wouldn't do

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I could be wrong, but I think what @29 was suggesting was even deeper than that, as disturbing as it may seem.  Op says, and I quote, "I would happily end her suffering if it were possible to do so within the law."  IN essence, the l

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god He's already gone over this. It's against the law where he lives. I also agree with assisted suicide being legal and I think keeping people alive in misery is probably morally wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619470/#p619470

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @camlorn, I'll bite.  You outlined all of the great goodness we can accomplish if we were to just set God, spirituality and religion aside as nonsensical whims of the human brain.  My question, I believe, is an intelectually honest one; why?  What

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I do not want to talk about god and all that right now but I have a question.If you believe that your grandmother does not deserve what she's going through, if you believe that death would end her pain, why won't you kill her?You do not need

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I do not want to talk about god and all that right now but I have a question.If you believe that your grandmother does not deserve what she's going through, if you believe that death would end her pain, why won't you kill her?You do not need

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @camlorn, I'll bite.  You outlined all of the great goodness we can accomplish if we were to just set God, spirituality and religion aside as nonsensical whims of the human brain.  My question, I believe, is an intelectually honest one; why?  What

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god AI doesn't do any of those things well. In fact, sometimes it picks up traits it shouldn't, like Tay from Microsoft, and if you listen to the AI continuation of this song at the 2:14 mark, it literally says, and I quote, "I want ni

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @20You won't believe in the soul in 20 years, not because you're going to get older, but because every time the soul exists crowd makes a claim about how we can't just be circuitry, the AI crowd says hold my beer and goes off and does the thing

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @21 You're starting to stray into problematic territory. Even if we could prove Jesus existed, can we prove that he died as described? Can we prove he was resurrected two days later?But it doesn't really matter, since you can't even talk to me

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I know that some will not like what I say, or think it is insensitive, but I am here to testify about my own experiences with suffering, and how the Lord carried me through. When I was born, I was 13 weeks premature, and was approximately 2 pounds

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god 21, doesn't quite answer the OP's question. Remember even Jesus thought his father forsaked him URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619442/#p619442 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @15, But your signiture says oh my god, Are you fighting your self or something? LOL. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619438/#p619438 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Brother, I ask you a question: did Jesus deserve to sweat blood, to be betrayed, denied, mocked, filled with beating and spitting, to be scourged, loaded with the weight of the cross, to be crucified and to die like this?  It does not seem to me

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @3 I am less angry at god than I am at the people who throw religion at me like it's supposed to somehow make this better. I do believe in the soul though. I mean, if we're just organic circuitry with an expiration date, OK, I can deal

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god And this exactly why I think religion is a load of worthless shit. I don't have a problem with it as such as long as people don't try and ram it down my throat. That will piss me off very, very fast. But if you wanna believe, cool. You go ahead

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god I spent a month in a nursing home after fracturing my leg and I did experience  the sun downers on my hall at night and it made me want to cry. Picture this waking up in the middle of the night and hereing a lady cry for water like in a desert even

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god @OP I'd like to talk to you.  Much like what you've done here, our conversation may get controversial, but my promise to you is to address you with as much respect and humility as I, in my imperfect and flawed humanity can muster.  I realize your

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Hi,Again, as previously  stated I don’t believe in god, I’m not trying to poke at religion either but this talk of religion makes me think of something a friend said to me jokingly the other day  which made me laugh, hopefully it brings a smile

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god GCW, Can't even begin to think what you and your granny are going threw. Stay strong and try to comfort her with whatever she likes.As for my beliefs:I don't think god exists, but if he does, I hope my (now dead) uncle tells him that he's a dick

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god seems like most of you on this post has it figured out already, so my comment is not aimed towards you at all. if you don't think there is a higher power over us then so be it, i am not here to convince you otherwise. my comment is for the person

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Re: I am affronted by the presence of god Yeah well there's 1 question that wraps the "Does God exist?" debate in a neat little bowIf God doesn't like gambling and you win a billion dollars, do you give thanks or no? I mean, if we're supposed to follow his wishes, but still we de

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