Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : pauliyobo via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @322. I disagreeAprone's action has really proved and confirmed people's thought about the matter. Even nocturnu's post, will clear people's mind. By saying that he did not bring nothing to the table, I'd agree if we talk about the mod mailing list, not about the community in general, though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390751/#p390751 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Yeah, whatever happened to deploying mud-rammer to finish the job? Lol! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390716/#p390716 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaseoffire via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Oh, Aaron. I sent you a PM. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390710/#p390710 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums hahahahha good call on the wipe all of them, quite funny and finally a bit of humor on this whole thing, which is a nice avenue out URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390700/#p390700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums thanks for reopening the topic, but then I am afraid we will see a lot of non conformist posts yet again, you can't please everyone, and you cannot be pleased by everyone, but some people really have not understood this second part for the first time in their lives, thus preventing this from moving forward as a quote, community. Regarding bsg, I do have a few of their very helpful articles in my bookmarks and wonder why those haven't also been posted into the articles category of the forum which never gets much love, may be because apparently this is the trending one now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390691/#p390691 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Thank you Aprone, that means a lot.I agree that now is actually the perfect time to bring up such matters. I also want to clarify something. I had said in an earlier post that, after some time has passed, I thought it might be a good idea to close the topic. I think the main reason I said that is because this whole thing is extremely stressful to me on a personal level, as everyone has probably figured out by now. But now that I'm facing it all head on, I can see the other side of the argument, too. Had the topic not resurfaced and taken the turn that it has, I'm not so sure that this wouldn't have been forgotten about. I think that the mods are most likely working on making changes, and I'm glad of that. But right now, the most important thing is trying to expose all that happened from every angle so that everyone, members and mods, can figure out how best to proceed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390451/#p390451 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Exodus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Given that aprone pointed out red flags to dark that would have been visible from pluto, and the guy's only response was to keep right on white knighting... I'd be willing to hazard that he'd have screwed Walter over letter or no letter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390328/#p390328 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I would like to thank you for that post turtlepower17. I do not know of anyone that could sit down and admit to that plus, gives me a bit more understanding what happened. Digging through a topic of people from both sides of this is not really fun. I am thinking that more can learn from what you been through per say. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390322/#p390322 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums at the end of the day truth always wins. it doesn't care who it hurts in the process it simply does what it does. the longer it's held back the greater the impact it has when it finally comes out. truth always comes out in the end. if people think that withholding the truth is a good thing then they have a very rude awakening ahead of them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390240/#p390240 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums TBH I believe we are all forgetting (are we? Hmmm? I dunno, wild guess.) the core issue this hole issue revolves around: trust. This issue clearly made most of us distrust the moderation team. I'm not saying we should "fuck 'em all", as some would say; my posts after aprones were, to me anyway, a clear indicator that my trust in the moderation team was extremely fragile. Evenbefore that it was. @293, perhaps no one gained anything by Aprones post, but at least he had the balls to come forward and speak his mind. I tip my hat to him purely for that because that's not an easy thing to do. In some respects, we do gain something from his post -- knowledge on what part he played in the lauri/walter situation. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390238/#p390238 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : flackers via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Even though I've deleted that line because it was too speculative, I have to say, I wasn't saying only girls can be vindictive. I was saying everyone knows guys can be violent, aggressive, and vicious, but not everyone appreciates how vicious girls can be. So I was saying that both genders can be vindictive, it's just not as noticeable in girls because it often shows up in a subtler way.As for the ABC thing, it's most likely the result of knowing from experience what will stand up in court. If you make assumptions and the assumption is false, you investigate from a faulty perspective, so best not to assume anything. Don't just believe people, listen to them, and look for hard evidence that corroborates their story. Check everything because that's what the defence team will do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390224/#p390224 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : flackers via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Even though I've deleted that line because it was too speculative, I have to say, I wasn't saying only girls can be vindictive. I was saying everyone knows men can be violent, aggressive, and vicious, but not everyone appreciates how vicious girls can be. So I was saying that both genders can be vindictive, it's just not as noticeable in girls because it often manifests in a subtler way.As for the ABC thing, it's most likely the result of knowing from experience what will stand up in court. If you make assumptions and the assumption is false, you investigate from a faulty perspective, so best not to assume anything. Don't just believe people, listen to them, and look for hard evidence that corroborates their story. Check everything because that's what the defence team will do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390224/#p390224 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums well actually i think aprone does have the right and was correct to put out there what he did. at least he had the balls to put his name to his thoughts and admit that actually yes he did contribute to that blog post. i certainly don't see anybody else doing that do you? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390228/#p390228 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : shotgunshell via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Yes Ethin, I see the difference, thank you very much for pointing that out to me. Now, here's a question for you. You know very well that you are not going to get the answer you wish to hear out of Dark, so can we save all of us the trouble of expending unnecessary energy reading/replying/giving any thought to this particular discussion ever again and sweep it under the rug, preferably right after I'm done writing my reply which would happen to be right about now? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390172/#p390172 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-11-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Exodus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I was totally going to give dark the benefit of the doubt, I figured that he'd end up in here at some point to address the issues brought up. Instead what we got was some UK parliament stile spin (yes, that bad). I'm fully aware that this will probably get me branded as one of the quote unquote folks who would howl for blood and I could honestly give 0 fucks. It's clear that he just wants everything to be swept under the rug now, the fact he will not venture out of the omg dark noo echo chamber proves this. The community as a whole deserved better than that politician's apology that we got, but I personally won't be expecting anything else.Also, The person who heaped shame on the people in this topic for rightly pushing to stop this entire thing from being swept under the rug has since become a moderator... so I really don't know how to feel about this place any more. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/post/390161/#p390161 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I don't personally see any egregious issue with the rules. I do agree that this thread has sort of run its course. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=389196#p389196 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums thanks, @264 @266 for putting this up so eloquently, being a total outsider in here also mad me scratch my head at the initial post. Too much of an over complicated maneuver just to lift a ban, is sort of embarrassing wouldn't you think? says a lot of how user choose to fix their issues, which as this 267ish post thread proves, is definitely not the better way to do so. But on the other hand I am glad staff and mods had worked on this topic. I hope the person that had been affected the most (of course Lory would not even pop a single "hello here") would want to come back to this place.anyway, now that everyone has an answer we can get back to how things were a year ago shall we.Sorry if this way of putting the entire conclusion for the situation hurts some feelings or susceptibilities but its objective, just as the first post aimed to be. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=389163#p389163 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums well if it is swept under the carpet as london has put it, then yes i think it is our duty as members to make sure it doesn't happen and as members we can do this on or off of the forum. it's not that difficult. acountability does go 2 ways. the mods hold the members accountable for upholding forum standards but the members hold the mods equally accountable for making sure those standards are upheld. so yes there definitely is something we can do about this if this vale of silence continues. URL: http://testforum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=389026#p389026 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : arqmeister via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Guys, this will all be put to bed in about a day or 2. That's all i'll say right now. And yes, most of you should be pleased with how things turn out. URL: http://testforum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=389059#p389059 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaseoffire via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I think we aught to start with just trying to prevent any future issues first. With that in mind, I suppose in all objective reality the order doesn't matter all that much so long as all of it gets resolved. Thank you, Aaron for your posts, and hopefully some other mods will chime in. It would be nice, anyways. Again, though, thank you, Aaron for your dedication to this matter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=389054#p389054 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums You say "I'm not gonna let that fucking happen". I ask, what exactly do you plan to do about it?The reality is a simple one. Neither you nor I nor anyone else here is going to determine how, when or even why another person owns up to a mistake.For the record, I'm not 100% convinced on the Lori/Walter thing, even after I did some digging of my own. I have, after all, seen people lie in order to try and protect a wrongdoer just as often as, if not more often than, I've seen them lie to try and persecute said wrongdoer. This doesn't mean that all the evidence against Lori is wrong, merely that it's more complicated than some of you folks are making it look. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=388891#p388891 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : GauravSharma via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Dark is a really cool moderator(no offence to others, yall are cool too ) as far as i've seen. Indeed, myself being a new member in the community, I can only comment on my observations over the short period of time. But he is fair and impartial in almost all the matters, and his contributions are amusing, to say the least. you've to give credit to that. OK, maybe that was a grievous error, that banning of waltrach in lori's case, character assassination(what a fancy term! I must say, I commend the work done in framing that blog post.) but I decline to comment more before I have some more information to go on and the story on the side of moderation team regarding that matter. And yeah, as some posts stated above, there should be a fixed banning system. Three warnings, then ban for 7 days, 14 days, 30 days, 3 months, 6 months, and finally, permanent. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=388812#p388812 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : musicalman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums *sigh* URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=388799#p388799 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : redfox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums dark has had plenty of time to respond to this, i've seen him active. I think @236 is completely right, either dark defends himself, or the mods do something. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=388660#p388660 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Hi,From a mod standpoint I think I have to say something, again for now I am going to be vague.Simply put, Dark knows about this topic. I do not know if he knows it's started up again.As to what's being decided, I feel, in the interest of the rest of the mods, it wouldn't be fair to go into detail. I don't exactly know what I can say at this time, regarding the specifics of this particular issue, accept that i think it's stretching some of the staff to their absolute limit. Dark's being civil about it all to be honest, but I do think something's going to have to be decided soon. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=388626#p388626 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I completely agree with the last post. There's no need to start screaming from the rooftops yet, but we'd do well to not get too optimistic, either. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=388569#p388569 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums As for the cracking issue, side-note, but would anyone have any devs have confidence in deploying a bitcoin wallet for international folks? I have a feeling a big issue is Paypal, from an international point of view, not being as big a standard as they think they are. I will say that's pretty stupid, as a financial institution you'd think they'd diligently be hard at work getting regulated in a lot more countries, but what do I know. But if developers were able to openly accept Bitcoins, could there possibly be a chance that people who actually want to buy the games may be able to have a chance? ON the other hand there are some people that will say it isn't worth the time which is just a dumb excuse, although to be fair Bitcoin, from what I have heard and used of it has varying degrees of accessibility depending on what you use. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387883#p387883 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : flackers via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I don't know Laurie, but she could man up and admit Walter was just bugging her and she went way overboard. She could come clean about exactly what was exaggerated or fabricated, and then Dark would know where he stood, and hopefully things could be rectified to some degree. Admitting you've done wrong and apologising goes a hell of a long way. I mean, no one was stabbed to death or anything. Just a bit of silliness, but it might have affected Walter in a real way, and something should be done to make amends. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387879#p387879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums thing is though even if it was would he even come back? something else that has just struck me, i haven't seen or heard anything from Lauri on any thread. or on the gamers list. her silents on this whole thing the blog included is rather interesting. although i haven't checked the bsg blog for additional comments so she may have commented on there but i don't know. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387877#p387877 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : robomastr42 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I’m in faver of a warning on first afence, and ban if it repeats. That sounds fair to me givven some people’s english isn’t all that great. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387863#p387863 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums The last two posts made me jiz a little. Thanks, thumbs up to you two. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387832#p387832 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Haha, completely agreed with the last post, your stomach will probably thank you if you take that advice.Although I do agree that this is not the place for Dark to make an official statement. When he does, I expect it to be in its own separate topic, not only so that it isn't enmeshed in all the controversy of this one, thus providing a clean slate, but also because whatever decision is made will most likely be monumental in changing the direction of the forum going forward. That sort of change should never be attached to the baggage of any existing thread. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387782#p387782 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : shotgunshell via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Before I make my next point, I need to remind people that I'm not on Dark's side in this argument. With that out of the way, here's my next point. If I were the chief moderator of this forum and I did things that were wrong and you all started talking about me, I would get to you eventually, but I would take my time about it and yes, I would take the weekend off. Being on the forum all the time checking each room to make sure everything's in tiptop shape would tire me out, and I would deserve a break. Hell, I'd ask one of the mods to step up for a bit while I take a much needed vacation to the Bahamas and say screw everything, I'm just going to worry about myself for the next few weeks. I've been moderating this forum for over 10 years, I can take off 3 weeks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387672#p387672 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @203 I'm hoping that that wouldn't be the case, because if that were to happen, I don't think people would apreciate that, because so dictator would arguably do much worse things than just one character assasination. That ⠆⠬ said however,*washes BigGun away in a mud wave*I love how even in dark times like this, we can find ways to make the best of a bad situation.EDIT: aww...Ethin got to thofowing a bigger ⠏⠊⠇⠑ first. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387614#p387614 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @203, *throws a massive mudplanet at you*No, we don't intend any of those things. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387613#p387613 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : zenothrax via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Honestly, I haven't responded yet for a few reasons. Considering the fact that I'm relatively new to the forum, I didn't think it was wise to jump into the heated discussion.I will say this though. I don't think Dark should be completely demoted, but I do agree that he should perhaps take a break from moderating. After all, Dark is human like the rest of us, and I don't exactly think he intended to "assassinate" Walter's character, even if what he did was wrong in more ways than 1.BTW, I'm glad some of us are able to turn this heated discusion into a mud wrestlin competition. *throws mud at all you motherfuckers* URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387579#p387579 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I find myself agreeing with Sebby. I don't even think that Dark's attack on Walter was malicious, just a huge fuck up, and we've all done that.I do not have a problem with Dark outside of his actions as a moderator, or at least the Walter situation, yes I know that case is something I'll keep bringing up time over time til this situation has been resolved.Maybe Walter has been ruined, maybe not. The best we can do now is to bring him justice, unban him and seek to uncover the truth as much as possible so that people can be informed of the real deal instead of still believing in that Lorry fiasco story. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387564#p387564 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums My thoughts ended up in this thread, post 31. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387526#p387526 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums My thoughts ended up in this thread, post 30. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387526#p387526 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Agreed, this phantom topic thing is very odd. I do wonder what's happened. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387517#p387517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums
2018-10-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums unfortunately, especially on the internet there's always a degree of fallout on any given hot topic. this forum isn't unique in that respect. yes i'm rather surprised that this particular thread hasn't degenerated i do have to admit. if there are ghost topics then really they should be moved. interesting though if they have been corrupted somehow. i have only just seen reference to these so i haven't been looking. but yes if they are there then they really should go. as for the whole thing with orco, well i read that and just laughed i mean how stupid? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387492#p387492 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : AlirezaNosrati via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums holy shit man i thought he is like 15, 20 didn't expect a 60 year old guy to spam a forum wow! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387463#p387463 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Meh, me neither honestly, but it is what it is.And @171, agreed, the analogy that was used may have been in poor taste, and a little overblown, but I think the point was to shock people into paying attention, so props for that, because in that respect he couldn't have picked a more fitting way to ram his point home. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387395#p387395 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums right, then again when you take the moderation out of the moderators anything can happen in the internet, I doubt that is how real life works though... It just shows how badly this has gotten over the last few years. It will keep on getting worse I am afraid. That is why I just come on here to participate anonymously, (and I take the forum for that, always picking the stuff that interests and works for me, and that is it) its just a place where someone can post anonymously, it does never certainly replace a job you might have, or your real life friends or university colleagues, or any personal part of you. It in fact definitely shouldn't, because look at all that is happening right now. In other regular, successful communities moderators would be thought of as the people you looked up to, usually would be picked because of their exemplary qualities as people, but certainly this site is the boldest and clearest exception to that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387390#p387390 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : SkyGuardian via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums What is more important, being a mod on a forum, or friends and relationships, because there could be some type of balance between them, and what is the story with dark, i mean, what is everyone talking about, if you don’t mind me asking URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387360#p387360 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : hadi . gsf via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Hey turtlepower17. I do extremely disagree with you but i don't want to take this on further cause we'd just go off topic. but i also understand what you're saying and nothing that you say is wrong. What you describe is just internet used as a tool, (cybercrime for example) and also it making its way through our lives and us letting it happen.I again don't want to take this further but walter is probably not 100% innocent. what was his relationship with lorry? were they text girl/boyfriends? was she taking a revenge on him on a matter? We don't know and i don't want to know and it's a different storry overall, but show you how stupid it is to take your life with both hands and gift it to the ruthless and toxic virtual world. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387345#p387345 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @160, the wayback takes snapshots at irregular intervals -- I can't find a known pattern of its napshotting. So I'm really not surprised. But, 159 was correct; if Sendermen had kept his own backups, the data loss would've nevr been a problem. Though actually obtaining the appropriate place to store backups can be rather challenging, so I can sort-of understand why he didn't. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387334#p387334 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums to be honest that whole data loss could have been dealt with if the admins here bothered to keep propper backups of the server rather than relying on a third party. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387323#p387323 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums You're forgetting Aaron, Dark told me not to do anything with the info I'd gathered by saying 'don't open that can of worms again'I have however far as the copyright reform goes, actually got new info but given Dark's apparent dismissal of the topic, I don't fel like it's worth putting said new info anywhere useful. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387295#p387295 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums OK. So we've established that Mirage is a news poster. But that still does not explain why she has access to the moderation mailing list. Unless, of course, this is nightshade or another moderator with a member account? If so, then I'd get why. But if she is not an existing moderator, but someone who posts news, why does she have access to the moderator mailing list? Why not just give us all access then? That seems like favoritism from my point of view.And, @Aaron, your vagueness doesn't help us much, or help this situation at all, but I do understand why -- at least your trying to be open and tell us what's happening. If the incident you are discussing is a privacy-based issue, then keep it private; we have no business seeing it. But if its not about anything that should be private, I see no reason to hide it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387289#p387289 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : cartertemm via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums For those interested, the topic Aaron's referring to, start at post 16:http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=26172Yes, it was handled nicely. One troll out of the way methinks.@aaronThanks for the update, nice to know you've finally found the meaning of those buttons you've been toting around the forum for a year or so. I personally can't say I learned anything, TBH if the admins weren't discussing this already that would be grounds for another heading on the BSG post. But something is certainly better than nothing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387248#p387248 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : hadi . gsf via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums aaron wrote:putting actual mod discussions out here in the open is a bad idea.Indeed it is.So we know that they're on it and are doing something about it. and i'm pretty sure they're also watching this topic so your say -if not childish and reasonable- probably has also been taken into count. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387234#p387234 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums it wouldn't be in darks interest to just go demoting mods for whatever reason. if he did do that especially right now then it would only serve to prove a point which i'm sure he doesn't exactly wish to do. so no i don't think that would happen for that reason alone let alone anything else. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387216#p387216 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : TJT1234 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Ethin, when I read Mirage's post, I assumed that she was on an email list for forum moderators, rather than the private list that the moderators of this forum use for communication. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387177#p387177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I have my thoughts on the subject but they could be considered political. But some of you guys will know what I mean. To give some further idea to what I'm talking about, consider the following hint:Nightshade URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387196#p387196 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : arqmeister via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Ethin, I can confirm that she is on the mods mailing list. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387193#p387193 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @123 I don't have to upload a thing. I don't care about the victims, I can see what Dark did without asking the victim, do you think this individual engaged in character assassination towards you? It doesn't matter the victim's reaction, as a matter of fact it was done. If the victim was hurt as a result I have no authority to say. But if I see you firing a bullet at someone but don't see that someone being hit, I can still say with certainty that you fired a bullet. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387164#p387164 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums lets be a bit more blunt, and this will definitely be frustrating, but such is life. Until you upload authenticated, signed pdf reports from the victim suffering from trauma, distress, or whatever else I will not believe a single thing.and yes, its hard to see things for what they are. Not everyone sees the same way and that is the problem.. people in here have not been able to grasp that very well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387162#p387162 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums lets be a bit more blunt, and this will definitely be frustrating, but such is life. Until you upload authenticated, signed pdf reports from the victim suffering from trauma, distress, or whatever else I will not believe a single thing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387162#p387162 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : vlad25 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums yeah well, ut i don't actually think this is the case at the current moment. like right now maybe he doesn't want to put his name on so he doesn't get in trouble. cause who knows, dark might be demoting the mods that do not agree with him too, wouldnt he do that? i already know how this works, thanks for prooving it in different points though smoke. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387110#p387110 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : NicklasMCHD via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums but @Ethin in those cases those Journalists has the responsability of mature media outlets, where as in this instance we are talking about individuals. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387102#p387102 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @100, probably not. My guess is that they either use a distribution list, which would make it completely private, or if they are using something more traditional like Mailman, or even a list on a place like Groups.io, it would be either hidden, the archives only viewable by subscribers, or both. While I agree that there should be some transparency here, I actually don't agree with barging into any list archives there may be. If it were me, I would also keep such a list as far away from prying eyes as possible, because you'd have the headache of making sure people didn't accidentally stumble on it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387053#p387053 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums lol i know i just realised that. wonder how many posts i can go to get shot of that one URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387050#p387050 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : DarfVader via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Lol and darren’s title is dark, matter miner. Oh the irony. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387042#p387042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums agreed, i think in this sense enough is enough and these things need to be out in the open now otherwise all this is meaningless. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387030#p387030 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : musicalman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums It would be interesting to read such discussions. I wonder if whatever they're using to host the mailing list does have archives somewhere one can look at. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387023#p387023 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : keyIsFull via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I agree with JaceK. If the discussion was closed so only mods could post in it that would be best. SO we can see how each of them interprets what's going on but can't interfere. Like how US congress meetings are open to spectators. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=387018#p387018 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums there should be only 1 set of rules. i've never been anywhere that has in affect 2 sets of rules. to be honest until i read that blog post i never even new there was a second set. which really is a bit silly if you ask me. although i still stand by what i said in my first post as in 69, dark has the right to defend himself and i look forward to reading what he has to say on this matter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386999#p386999 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Warning, incoming wall of subjectivity. Read on at own risk.First off, although I appreciate the time and energy put into writing the post and agree the material reveals unquestionable truths, I unfortunately am in partial agreement with 82 about the method of delivery. When writing a research thesis, it's of course always good practice to be completely factual, and doing otherwise can lead to exactly the kind of uproar we're seeing here as people fail to separate fact from opinion. In the first paragraph, you write, "This post is not my opinions, but my gathering of all the situations I’ve found and tying them together to show everyone what I have come to see." Wait, what? I thought you said you would be mixing your opinions with the facts. This kind of confusing mixture of truth and subjectivity is common throughout the article, and I believe this is why many of us are questioning it's legitimacy. That being said, once we look past that confusing bit, what seem initially to be biased twists of fact reveal themselves to be commentary on the undeniable truth laid out for all to behold. In deed I'm curious how many of you actually read any of the quoted posts in greater detail than was provided in the article, as I think understanding the contexts of the situations would shed some light on smoke's summaries and evaluations. I agree with your opinions and value your research. I just think you could have been more realistic than expecting people to be able to make the separation as well as you or I.NicklasMCHD wrote:I agree with what's written in the blog post to a large extend. But the thing is that it's getting a really bad view from this topic, because everyone that seams to be in agreement is someone that have or have had problems with Dark in the past.This sounds like an assumption, and it's one that has been made several times so far. I'd be happy to take you and others up on this claim if you are willing to cite topics/posts of those in agreement with smoke's findings having run-ins with Dark. However, seeing as that constitutes a pretty overwhelming majority of posters, and several people have already stated their neutrality towards him, I'm not confident that will happen.I'll take this opportunity to point out my own virtually unblemished record on this forum, and my lack of personal association with Dark. I will say though that, moderation aside, he seems like a cool guy from the stuff of his that i'd read. If you get him going on a subject that catches his interest (guide dogs, games, books) his rants are interesting, thoughtful and conversation-provoking. That being said, there are certain things you just don't do as both a member of a community, and one who is charged with keeping order in said community. Using a position of influence to destroy someone's online life certainly qualifies as an unforgiveable offense. Although I knew Walter, and we talked from time to time, calling him my friend would be a stretch. We worked together as stw admins for a while, then later I agreed to host a tt channel for his podcasts. So i guess you could call it a casual business relationship, but it was enough to see the effect it had on him. His personality completely changed. He was much more passive, less fun-loving and more shy. He also faided away and was eventually never heard from again. That sounds a lot more like what would happen to an innocent victem of character assasination rather than a violent and predatorial sociopath.Dark also has quite a history of using personal feelings as a basis for administrative/moderator actions. Even in my relatively low level of experience on these forums, one pretty minor, but still frustrating, incident comes to mind. I'll be pointing to this topic about webl boxing simulator, in which I recommended it be added to the db, and his response was the following:dark wrote:As far as WEBL Goes, the problem basically is the same as for all sports management games, which is that I personally just don't feel qualified to write about them as they're a genre of game have no interest in, or indeed enough background knolidge at least enough to write about.If you have no interest in it, I'd suggest having another mod do it, doing the negligible amount of research required to write a short description, or maybe even having a community member do it. Now there's a thought. Allow community members to draft db entries and submit them for review, similar to a site like apple vis. Whatever the solution, it was a shame to not have a perfectly accessible and awesome game, or even genre, be added because of someone's personal feelings or experience.If you've made it this far, which you probably haven't, you might be wondering, what do I want done about this guy? Well, as said above, I personally have nothing against him. However, Dark has proven time and again that he is incapable of separating his personal feelings from his admi
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @82, that is true; however that does not mean that the blog was untrue or should be discredited because it exaggerated in only a couple paragraphs at the beginning. And no, I'm not saying you did. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386911#p386911 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-16
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums All I'd say about that last part is that it does seem like that guy was pretty hard-done-to, and the girl was inventing crap to make him look bad, and Dark should have realised it. All that stuff about having a friend that committed suicide over it was pretty disgraceful, and she needs to have a good hard look at herself. I think she took advantage of Dark. She had it in for this guy for whatever reason, but she couldn't do anything to damage him, but she knew a man who could. This is purely a cerebral environment and women need no guys flexing their cyber muscles on their behalf, and this was no damsel in distress. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386879#p386879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-16
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums All I'd say about that last part is that it does seem like that guy was pretty hard-done-to, and the girl was clearly inventing crap to make him look bad, and Dark should have realised it. All that stuff about having a friend that committed suicide over it was pretty disgraceful, and she needs to have a good hard look at herself. I think she took advantage of Dark. She had it in for this guy for whatever reason, but she couldn't do anything to damage him, but she knew a man who could. This is purely a cerebral environment and women need no guys flexing their cyber muscles on their behalf, and this was no damsel in distress. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386879#p386879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-16
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Right, I wasn’t going to post but because it seems most of you only care about the drama and not about fixing this, but it looks like we’re just going to end up with more shallow “hey look let me agree with my friends” posts, so here goes. This is long, deal with it.Firstly, to get some stuff out of the way, I’m not a frequent poster, but I am a lurker. I’ve watched these topics unfold over the years, so it’s not the first time that I see the majority of these posts. I don’t know anyone off the forum personally in any way, and have likely never had a private conversation with any of you at any point to my knowledge. Same for people who post on BSG.I’m only posting in an attempt to provide actual solutions for people to think about, instead of just pointing fingers at people who aren’t my friends because I think my friends are being threatened (this is the impression I get from several people from both sides of this issue).Regarding the BSG post itself, it does raise some valid points. My personal opinion is that it focuses too much on trying to portray Dark as an evil dictator, when really all it seems to me is that he’s not very good at moderating conversations because he lets his personal feelings leak into his moderation responses. The most damning section of the post, the bit about Walter, suffers from the same problem that it accuses Dark of being guilty of, and that is showing its anonymous sources. You can’t call someone out for not revealing their anonymous sources by using an anonymous source, come on guys. Either that moderator will want to speak publicly, or just don’t try making the argument. Admittedly, if what it does say is true, it does paint a rather different picture. In this case, where no “official” rules were technically broken, for a single moderator to ban a member without presenting any evidence to any other moderator is worrying. And yet, we can’t prove or disprove any of it unless anonymous moderator decides to step up (please do, save everyone the grief of having to watch 700 posts of drama about this).Even if nothing said in the BSG post is true, and some of it clearly is because the posts are right there for everyone to see, it’s clear we have a trust problem here. So, let’s try and fix it peacefully. While I realise in the end this comes down to Richard and Sanderman’s choices, what needs to be kept in mind is that this is a community. If there is no trust in this community, people will stop coming to this community, and everything else will become rather errelivant.Let’s start with the easiest fix. Consolidate the FAQ and rules section of the site. They’re basically the same anyways, but for the sake of making the community have more trust, copy paste the explanations of each rule found in the FAQ to the rule page. and for the love of maple syrup, have a last edited date on that page. For added trust, record every single edit, whether it’s a typo fix or a larger change, and inform the community of it (I have a feeling some members here will already be keeping copies of the rules page and FAQ post to compare periodically after what BSG is accusing). Speaking of that, it does strike me as strange that Dark can add things (for example the site ranks from the contest just last year) to the FAQ without the last edited date changing at the top, because this doesn’t happen with any other post, so seems like it’s a deliberate thing. However, because the FAQ only really contains clarifications of the main site rules, it seems like a bit of a stretch to say that Dark was just making up rules on the fly whenever it suited him (does anyone see a ban anyone who disagrees with the head mod rule in there? I don’t). I would like an explanation of the last edited date, though, for clarification’s sake.Next, create a set number of warnings, and a set period of temporary bans. It is shocking to me that this isn’t a thing.Each rule should state the severity of warning that goes along with it. There should be a statement somewhere about how the length of a ban is determined, rather than leaving it up to how Dark is feeling on a particular day. Personally, I’m of the opinion that not all mod warnings are equal, therefore I’d advocate for something like a point system, publicly viewable in a person’s profile by anyone, for the sake of trust.I provide this idea only so that people have something to talk about here other than drama, so do with it what you will. I have no experience moderating, so have no idea how doable it is, but I’m sure someone can come up with something better if we start a conversation about this.The following numbers are made up as an example.A new member to the forum gets 5 points, or strikes, or whatever you want to call them, hereon referred to as points.If this person does something that breaks a rule, they lose 1 or 2 points, depending on the severity of he rule breaking. With each subsequent breaking of the same rule
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @Nicklasmchd Fair enough, I see where you're coming from but I would look at intent. If, according to his blog post, private sent independent evidence was ignored in making a decision, vs mentioning private information on his blog simply so that people he doesn't need to name remain anonymous. That's my view at least. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386836#p386836 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-16
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Hi.I agree with what's written in the blog post to a large extend. But the thing is that it's getting a really bad view from this topic, because everyone that seams to be in agreement is someone that have or have had problems with Dark in the past.Personally, I've never talked with Dark (except for forum posts on here), so I don't know anything about him really.What this case needs for it to be taken more serious, is for those unnamed sources to come forward. Until then, the blog poster is essentially hiding important information as to why and how, just like he's accusing Dark did on some occasions.- NicklasMCHD URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386824#p386824 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Agreed 42. Some people are so impatient. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386788#p386788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums hahaha 40. I trolled you and won. Have a great day. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386784#p386784 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums hahaha 39. I trolled you and won. Have a great day. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386784#p386784 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-15
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @33 don't be so childish and pedantic. I was pointing out I had no connections here and I was standing by what I said that I was keeping out of the argument, which I am still doing. although catch 22, now I guess I am still involved all be it a slightly different one. anyway. I've said all I have to say and now I am keeping out of it. if you want to be pedantic again about the fact I replied then fine, have fun. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386783#p386783 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums That being said though I do feel he does have the right to defend himself. Everyone deserves that right. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386781#p386781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-15
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I agree with all of those here that agree the one who cleverly calls himself "Dark" (which is a very fitting name, given what he has done) or Luke, to use his given name, should be relieved of his position of head moderator, because of his abuse of executive power. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386780#p386780 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-15
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums We are not trying to take over moderation of the forum. We just want dark and if possible Lori to be brought to justice for doing what they did. Banning someone without reason is one thing, having 2 rules section is another etc, but IMO, and apparently many others as well, it's just not OK to use your rank, your status and your reputation to knowingly participate in ruining an innocent person's online reputation while you knew they were innocent. That's most of our issue here. We of course want the rules fixed, we want less of these bans, but I think the big overshadowing here is Walter. There is just nothing remotely even kind of OK about that situation, and the evidence shows that dark was involved in doing it. We don't want to take over moderation. Do we want dark gone? yes, yes we do. That's because you can't just say sorry and move on from destroying someone like that. No one innocent deserves that, and Walter got it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386779#p386779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums SirBadger wrote:said I am keeping out of it now and I stick to that but I will say, no I'm not connected in anyway.So then why are you still posting? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386775#p386775 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-15
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums said I am keeping out of it now and I stick to that but I will say, no I'm not connected in anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386774#p386774 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-15
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums @SirBadger under normal circumstances we wouldn't even be having this topic. but now it has been exposed that dark was involved in casting someone out of the community. Ruining there reputation. There is no way that that is OK. This isn't politics, this is only the truth. Weather you think a mod that allows peoples online lives in a given community to be destroyed and even helps make it happen is acceptable is your choice, but as you can see most of the posters here don't agree with the actions that have been clearly proven. Remember, you can view the posts mentioned in the blog post to see that we are not making anything up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386765#p386765 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-15
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums politics, backstabbing and power hunger. this shit sickens me.what's the agender? over throw dark so others can take over?most of the things people are complaining about can be summed up by, people went too far and a line has to be drawn somewhere.I like ironcross as well but you can't just keep getting angry and making insulting comments at people as he's admitted himself.so hey, let's destroy the rules that govern the forum, get rid of the mods and take over? is that what you people are after?wonder who people would call for to replace dark? I can make a guess but I'm not going to get in to that.I just think this is an insult to the people that try so hard to keep this forum running and to keep the comuntiy happy. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386763#p386763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums Also, update: Before anyone attempts to rant about what I said, remember what Harlan Ellison once said: “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”Sorry, but I had to post that because that raises a very, very valid point. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386757#p386757 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-10-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : TJT1234 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: A BSG Blog Post About The Forums I am curious to wonder why Dark's thoughts were not sought when the post was written. Surely fair reporting of events would require both sides to express their opinions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=386749#p386749 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
