Re: Just a Quick note
Re: Just a Quick note I have been away for a while, so am just catching up on threads. I cannot speak to what actually occurred with the Walter/Lori situation. I read the relevant topics, but I am not a mod, and I was not at the meetings where votes were cast, so I cannot weigh in on what information anyone had when casting their votes. In a case like that, I tend toward giving the person actually faced with being in that position the benefit of the doubt, absent cogent and extremely compelling evidence to the contrary. Perhaps if more of this community took that approach, fires would not so easily arise. Let's look at this case. If I understand correctly, Jayde's position is that he was given information by others on the moderator team, and that he cast his vote accordingly, based solely on that information. If that is true, then proceeding against him with accusations of corruption based on that alone seems rather flimsy at best. Let's look at another scenario, for example. If you could prove that Jayde knew of the situation before joining the moderator team, that he knew other moderators as friends, and that he colluded with those friends to acquire a position on the team in exchange for giving them a desired result by voting a certain way, then you would absolutely have a good-faith basis to claim corruption in my opinion. However, I do not recall Brandon, or anyone else for that matter, ever alleging such a thing, and Jayde does not say that such a scenario occurred. Therefore, such evidence is not before me. assuming that Jayde's assertion is the absolute truth, then I believe the mistake that Jayde made was two-fold. First, trusting fully in the information provided by others and relying on only what they told him in voting, despite knowing that there was controversy surrounding the participants (including those active on the moderator team), seems ill-advised to me, and (2) Being willing to cast a vote despite not pursuing independent research and fact-finding for himself, given the acrimony of the parties involved and the indisputably contentious nature of the aforementioned controversy, just smacks of laziness. If I had been the moderator added in haste under the conditions that he faced, I would have spent quite some time reviewing all relevant logs and posts, as well as talking to all parties involved before I would have been willing to cast a vote, and if I was expected to cast my vote based solely on what other mods told me, or if voting was required by manifest necessity before my own investigation was completed, I would have respectfully, but firmly, abstained. I do not believe that Jayde's mistake is borne of a spirit of corruption, but was perhaps due to a willingness to believe what others were telling him, to trust them, without independently verifying their claims, and perhaps, to a lesser extent, or maybe to a greater one, a desire to take the easy road as it were, to avoid the hard work of reading through hours of emails and list posts and talking to all of the people involved. That doesn't strike me as corrupt. Incompetent? Maybe. Lazy? Almost certainly. Imprudent? Definitely. Harmful to the reputation that you would want to cultivate as a moderator? Undoubtedly. But not corrupt. Moreover, I doubt very sincerely that he will make those mistakes again. If I am wrong in that regard, then he does so at his own peril, a fact that he is no doubt cognizant of, given the heightened scrutiny that his position creates, and the willingness of many in this community to pounce quickly and ravenously upon what they deem to be improper behavior.My point is, we have more than two hundred years of jurisprudence in this country that speaks of giving the benefit of any doubt to parties who have been accused, and to fairness and due process before affirming guilt upon another. It seems to me that this community struggles to remember the spirit of those beliefs in its dealings with one another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444250/#p444250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I have been away for a while, so am just catching up on threads. I cannot speak to what actually occurred with the Walter/Lori situation. I read the relevant topics, but I am not a mod, and I was not at the meetings where votes were cast, so I cannot weigh in on what information anyone had when casting their votes. In a case like that, I tend toward giving the person actually faced with being in that position the benefit of the doubt, absent cogent and extremely compelling evidence to the contrary. Perhaps if more of this community took that approach, fires would not so easily arise. Let's look at this case. If I understand correctly, Jayde's position is that he was given information by others on the moderator team, and that he cast his vote accordingly, based solely on that information. If that is true, then proceeding against him with accusations of corruption based on that seems rather flimsy at best, unless, for example, you could prove that Jayde knew of the situation before joining the moderator team, that he knew other moderators as friends, and that he colluded with those friends to acquire a position on the team in exchange for giving them a desired result by voting a certain way. Such a scenario would, indeed, be corruption. However, I do not recall Brandon ever alleging such a thing, and Jayde does not say that such a scenario occurred. Therefore, such evidence is not before me. assuming that Jayde's assertion is the absolute truth, then I believe the mistake that Jayde made was two-fold. First, trusting fully in the information provided by others and relying on only what they told him in voting, despite knowing that there was controversy surrounding the participants (including those active on the moderator team), seems ill-advised to me, and (2) Being willing to cast a vote despite not pursuing independent research and fact-finding for himself, given the acrimony of the parties involved and the indisputably contentious nature of the aforementioned controversy, just smacks of laziness. If I had been the moderator added in haste under the conditions that he faced, I would have spent quite some time reviewing all relevant logs and posts, as well as talking to all parties involved before I would have been willing to cast a vote, and if I was expected to cast my vote based solely on what other mods told me, or if voting was required by manifest necessity before my own investigation was completed, I would have respectfully, but firmly, abstained. I do not believe that Jayde's mistake is borne of a spirit of corruption, but was perhaps due to a willingness to believe what others were telling him, to trust them, without independently verifying their claims, and perhaps, to a lesser extent, or maybe to a greater one, a desire to take the easy road as it were, to avoid the hard work of reading through hours of emails and list posts and talking to all of the people involved. That doesn't strike me as corrupt. Lazy? Almost certainly. Imprudent? Definitely. Harmful to the reputation that you would want to cultivate as a moderator? Undoubtedly. But not corrupt. Moreover, I doubt very sincerely that he will make those mistakes again. If I am wrong in that regard, then he does so at his own peril, a fact that he is cognizant of, given the heightened scrutiny that his position creates, and the willingness of many in this community to pounce quickly and ravenously upon what they deem to be improper behavior.My point is, we have more than two hundred years of jurisprudence in this country that speaks of giving the benefit of any doubt to parties who have been accused, and to fairness and due process before affirming guilt upon another. It seems to me that this community struggles to remember the spirit of those beliefs in its dealings with one another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444250/#p444250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I have been away for a while, so am just catching up on threads. I cannot speak to what actually occurred with the Walter/Lori situation. I read the relevant topics, but I am not a mod, and I was not at the meetings where votes were cast, so I cannot weigh in on what information anyone had when casting their votes. In a case like that, I tend toward giving the person actually faced with being in that position the benefit of the doubt, absent cogent and extremely compelling evidence to the contrary. Perhaps if more of this community took that approach, fires would not so easily arise. Let's look at this case. If I understand correctly, Jayde's position is that he was given information by others on the moderator team, and that he cast his vote accordingly, based solely on that information. If that is true, then proceeding against him with accusations of corruption solely based on that seems a bit much to me, unless, for example, you could prove that Jayde knew of the situation before joining the moderator team, that he knew other moderators as friends, and that he colluded with those friends to acquire a position on the team in exchange for giving them a desired result by voting a certain way. Such a scenario would, indeed, be corruption. However, I do not recall Brandon ever alleging such a thing, and Jayde does not say that such a scenario occurred. Therefore, such evidence is not before me. assuming that Jayde's assertion is the absolute truth, then I believe the mistake that Jayde made was two-fold. First, trusting fully in the information provided by others and relying on only what they told him in voting, despite knowing that there was controversy surrounding the participants (including those active on the moderator team), seems ill-advised to me, and (2) Being willing to cast a vote despite not pursuing independent research and fact-finding for himself, given the acrimony of the parties involved and the indisputably contentious nature of the aforementioned controversy, just smacks of laziness. If I had been the moderator added in haste under the conditions that he faced, I would have spent quite some time reviewing all relevant logs and posts, as well as talking to all parties involved before I would have been willing to cast a vote, and if I was expected to cast my vote based solely on what other mods told me, or if voting was required by manifest necessity before my own investigation was completed, I would have respectfully, but firmly, abstained. I do not believe that Jayde's mistake is borne of a spirit of corruption, but was perhaps due to a willingness to believe what others were telling him, to trust them, without independently verifying their claims, and perhaps, to a lesser extent, or maybe to a greater one, a desire to take the easy road as it were, to avoid the hard work of reading through hours of emails and list posts and talking to all of the people involved. That doesn't strike me as corrupt. Lazy? Almost certainly. Imprudent? Definitely. Harmful to the reputation that you would want to cultivate as a moderator? Undoubtedly. But not corrupt. Moreover, I doubt very sincerely that he will make those mistakes again. If I am wrong in that regard, then he does so at his own peril, a fact that he is cognizant of, given the heightened scrutiny that his position creates, and the willingness of many in this community to pounce quickly and ravenously upon what they deem to be improper behavior.My point is, we have more than two hundred years of jurisprudence in this country that speaks of giving the benefit of any doubt to parties who have been accused, and to fairness and due process before affirming guilt upon another. It seems to me that this community struggles to remember the spirit of those beliefs in its dealings with one another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444250/#p444250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I have been away for a while, so am just catching up on threads. I cannot speak to what actually occurred with the Walter/Lori situation. I read the relevant topics, but I am not a mod, and I was not at the meetings where votes were cast, so I cannot weigh in on what information anyone had when casting their votes. In a case like that, I tend toward giving the person actually faced with being in that position the benefit of the doubt, absent cogent and extremely compelling evidence to the contrary. Perhaps if more of this community took that approach, fires would not so easily arise. Let's look at this case. If I understand correctly, Jayde's position is that he was given information by others on the moderator team, and that he cast his vote accordingly, based solely on that information. If that is true, then proceeding against him with accusations of corruption solely based on that seems a bit much to me, unless, for example, you could prove that Jayde knew of the situation before joining the moderator team, that he knew other moderators as friends, and that he colluded with those friends to acquire a position on the team in exchange for giving them a desired result by voting a certain way. Such a scenario would, indeed, be corruption. However, I do not recall Brandon ever alleging such a thing, and Jayde does not say that such a scenario occurred. Therefore, such evidence is not before me. assuming that Jayde's assertion is the absolute truth, then I believe the mistake that Jayde made was two-fold. First, trusting fully in the information provided by others and relying on only what they told him in voting, despite knowing that there was controversy surrounding the participants (including those active on the moderator team), seems ill-advised to me, and (2) Being willing to cast a vote despite not pursuing independent research and fact-finding for himself, given the acrimony of the parties involved and the indisputably contentious nature of the aforementioned controversy, just smacks of laziness. If I had been the moderator added in haste under the conditions that he faced, I would have spent quite some time reviewing all relevant logs and posts, as well as talking to all parties involved before I would have been willing to cast a vote, and if I was expected to cast my vote based solely on what other mods told me, or if voting was required by manifest necessity before my own investigation was completed, I would have respectfully, but firmly, abstained. I do not believe that Jayde's mistake is borne of a spirit of corruption, but was perhaps due to a willingness to believe what others were telling him, to trust them, without independently verifying their claims, and perhaps, to a lesser extent, or maybe to a greater one, a desire to take the easy road as it were, to avoid the hard work of reading through hours of emails and list posts and talking to all of the people involved. That doesn't strike me as corrupt. Lazy? Almost certainly. Imprudent? Definitely. Harmful to the reputation that you would want to cultivate as a moderator? Undoubtedly. But not corrupt. Moreover, I doubt very sincerely that he will make those mistakes again. If I am wrong in that regard, then he does so at his own peril, a fact that he is cognizant of, given the heightened scrutiny that his position creates, and the willingness of many in this community to pounce quickly and ravenously upon what they deem to be improper behavior.My point is, we have more than two-hundred years of jurisprudence in this country that speaks of giving the benefit of any doubt to parties who have been accused, and to fairness and due process before affirming guilt upon another. It seems to me that this community struggles to remember the spirit of those beliefs in its dealings with one another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444250/#p444250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I have been away for a while, so am just catching up on threads. I cannot speak to what actually occurred with the Walter/Lori situation. I read the relevant topics, but I am not a mod, and I was not at the meetings where votes were cast, so I cannot weigh in on what information anyone had when casting their votes. In a case like that, I tend toward giving the person actually faced with being in that position the benefit of the doubt, absent cogent and extremely compelling evidence to the contrary. Perhaps if more of this community took that approach, fires would not so easily arise. Let's look at this case. If I understand correctly, Jayde's position is that he was given information by others on the moderator team, and that he cast his vote accordingly, based solely on that information. If that is true, then proceeding against him with accusations of corruption solely based on that seems a bit much to me, unless, for example, you could prove that Jayde knew of the situation before joining the moderator team, that he knew other moderators as friends, and that he colluded with those friends to acquire a position on the team in exchange for giving them a desired result by voting a certain way. Such a scenario would, indeed, be corruption. However, I do not recall Brandon ever alleging such a thing, and Jayde does not say that such a scenario occurred. Therefore, assuming that Jayde's assertion is the absolute truth, then I believe the mistake that Jayde made was two-fold. First, trusting fully in the information provided by others, and relying on solely what they told him in voting, despite knowing that there was controversy surrounding the participants (including those active on the moderator team) seems ill-advised to me, and (2) Being willing to cast a vote despite not pursuing independent research and fact-finding for himself, given the acrimony of the parties involved and the indisputably contentious nature of the aforementioned controversy just smacks of laziness. If I had been the moderator added in haste under the conditions that he faced, I would have spent quite some time reviewing all relevant logs and posts, as well as talking to all parties involved before I would have been willing to cast a vote, and if I was expected to cast my vote based solely on what other mods told me, or if voting was required by manifest necessity before my own investigation was completed, I would have respectfully abstained. I do not believe that Jayde's mistake is borne of a spirit of corruption, but was perhaps due to a willingness to believe what others were telling him, to trust them, without independently verifying their claims, and perhaps, to a lesser extent, or maybe to a greater one, a desire to take the easy road as it were, to avoid the hard work of reading through hours of emails and list posts and talking to all of the people involved. That doesn't strike me as corrupt. Lazy? Almost certainly. Imprudent? Definitely. Harmful to the reputation that you would want to cultivate as a moderator? Undoubtedly. But not corrupt. Moreover, I doubt very sincerely that he will make those mistakes again. If I am wrong in that regard, then he does so at his own peril, a fact that he is cognizant of, given the heightened scrutiny that his position creates, and the willingness of many in this community to pounce quickly and ravenously upon what they deem to be improper behavior. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444250/#p444250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : blindaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note hi, first of all why are we arguing about mods on a topic where liam decided to leave? i have nothing to say about this situation. i haven't been around long enough to know about the walter situation. so i'm just going to shut up and watch the arguments. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440798/#p440798 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I will not be stepping down anytime soon. If you have legitimate concerns with how I'm doing things - that word "legitimate" is extremely important, so please don't forget it - I will field those concerns as best I can. I am aware that my style rubs some people the wrong way, and I'm endeavouring to work on it. What I will no longer bother with, however, are the baseless accusations attached to my vote on the Dark situation, and all the business surrounding it. I've made my stance on that, my behaviour, my choices and my wrongdoing, extremely clear; it is now up to you, the reader, to parse the facts, and, if you think I willfully acted in ignorance, to reread until you find the bit where I said that I thought my information was accurate when I made my choice at the time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440763/#p440763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : AlirezaNosrati via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note For the peeps who are scared of writing their opinionsthere's freedom of speech here, and if your posts are not doing character assassination and are true, he can't give you any warnings, and if he does, everyone will know that they were wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440656/#p440656 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-06-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note Nah because my cat is working for him. See, I finally figured it out. Her double echelon triple-threat trident multi-vector assault. So, here's the skinny. I wake up one morning to find three things wrong. First, a coffee table with a vase and flowers got turned over and the water spilled over the table and ruined it. Then, I find the water dish turned over and water is all over the floor. Finally, I find a cat turd on the kitchen rug. Now tonight, There's a light in the window which she knocked down and the bulb was hot, which made the couch smoke a bit and start to stink. What other conclusion can I reach, my cat is working for Jayde. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440645/#p440645 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Agreed with post 60. Think what you want, but Jayde is a really good resource behind the scene in the moderator team. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440639/#p440639 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note We can argue this, but losing Jayde as a moderator would be a bad bad thing.Besdies Carter, jayde is about the only person who is going to put their foot down and not let people get away with the constant BS they throw in this forum. I'm the same way. you guys miss me as a mod yet? Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440620/#p440620 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note couldn't agree more with 58. We are having something similar to the leasey games drama. Go research and read those posts if you are unsure of what I mean. Or, in a nutshell--just as leasey games will not make games for NVDA, you get over it, move on, find something else and stop speaking to a wall about how that corporation is such a bunch of this or that (insert all of the profanity you want here) for supporting something as ungodly sick as jaws for winblows. Or you actually buy or get jaws, and get the games, and play happily to your hearts content.Why can't we apply that kind of thinking in an internet forum?people are getting too attached to things... and that is just a problem. If you think moderation is so bad, then come yourself with a proposal using your own merits, that will make it better for all of us, or show us how moderation really ought to be done.Its those times where its better and way easier to very stupidly criticize others rather than just get along and do something together. But, alas, its 2019 and this is the new survival trend or whatever. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440609/#p440609 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-06-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : musicalman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note Is it me, or have we dived into a spiral from which we'll never come out being in our collective happy place? This is a pattern I'm often seeing here, and while I understand everyone is trying to do good, say what needs to be said etc. I think we are now at the point where there is little to be said which will actually curve anything. Someone is always going to be dissatisfied with someone or something, and that dissatisfaction will require a defense of some kind. I'm not saying these discussions are always useless, but I'm kinda wondering what it'll take to bring anything more productive out of this one. But I guess I'll wait and see. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440584/#p440584 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-06-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : TheGreatCarver via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note Your comment about not being informed regarding a decision is the worst excuse I've heard in my life. If you are uninformed with regard to an issue, especially one as significant and important as the Walter issue, you abstain from the vote And let moderators who know what they're dealing with make the decision. You didn't do that. Instead, you voted, and that vote sent a message. You may not have intended that message to be sent, but it was sent. And now, your excuses make you look even more incompetent and deceitful.Jade, if you have a problem with us as a community judging your actions, you should have never taken this position. Because of your job, your actions will be judged, and you came in here and made a complete ass of yourself and basically promoted the status quo. This forum is even more draconian, hostile, provocative and toxic now than it ever was before if you want my honest opinion, and your constant ego trips, I-am-God posts, and snivels about character assassination whenever you're called out sets a piss-poor example for this community. Frankly, I believe you should step down as administrator and hand the forum over to someone more qualified and less egotistic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440565/#p440565 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I didn't expect you to agree with it. No one likes being criticized. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440560/#p440560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Liam, you have a point.It's not a desire to be tyrannical or arrogant, but I can definitely be wordy, and also firm at the same time. And tenacious. I know that. Combine those traits and it's easy to get negative vibes. I hear that and I'm trying to work on it. It's very much a forum thing; this is pretty much the only place I get this criticism on anything approaching a regular basis. At no point have I tried implying I'm always right, but I also don't precisely enjoy half-assing something if I am fully convinced the other person is wrong. I mean yeah, I'll do it, but if that other viewpoint seems harmful to me? Not inclined to be buddy-buddy with it. I also don't like being attacked without cause. I have zero problem with you saying what you just said, btw. I don't agree entirely with it, but that's the joy of opinions like these. You're not entirely off base and I see what you're getting at. It's a constant battle. See what I did there? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440537/#p440537 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note So this is the part where I point out how both of you are wrong.First. Jayde.I do not agree with a lot of what Brandon says, but I do agree that at times you do attempt to carry yourself as the all-knowing all-seeing iron fisted tyrant whether you realize it or not. I don't get in to politics and so I don't care who leans which way. I find the left vs. right garbage to be a bunch of garbage. So... Couldn't give too f*cks less who is liberal, or conservative, or a donkey, or an elephant, or who drinks tea, or whatnot. Screw that. I want you to take a look at a lot of the posts you've written. By the end of every post even if you are not directly referenced you have the tendency to start singing me me me about what ever the topic is. I get it. You're trying to do the best you can. Okay. That's fair, but tooting one's horn gets old quickly. There is no I in team, and I know you know that.ooph okay. Now on to Brandon.I'm not going to needlessly roast you, but your conduct towards Jayde has been less than mature. I am unsure what bug you have up your butt, but you can not carry yourself like this and attempt to be expect to be taken seriously. I've seen very little fact and more speculation or opinion. I am not expecting you to cite each point with resources, but at the same time where ever Jayde posts/says/does something, you instantly have to attack. It's getting old and is extremely counter productive. you are basing your opinions based on what has been written in the forum by a member who is a moderator and who is tryign to work in an official capacity. Do you know Jayde? have you spoken to Jayde off the site? If not, then I find it extremely unfair and short sighted to base an opinion on forum posts. Again. I am not going to say Jayde is blameless, but you aren't exactly blameless either.A vast majority of us are adults here. Start acting like it for fucks sakes! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440530/#p440530 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note So this is the part where I point out how both of you are wrong.First. Jayde.I do not agree with a lot of what Brandon says, but I do agree that at times you do attempt to carry yourself as the all-knowing all-seeing iron fisted tyrant whether you realize it or not. I don't get in to politics and so I don't care who leans which way. I find the left vs. right garbage to be a bunch of garbage. So... Couldn't give too f*cks less who is liberal, or conservative, or a donkey, or an elephant, or who drinks tea, or whatnot. Screw that. I want you to take a look at a lot of the posts you've written. By the end of every post even if you are not directly referenced you have the tendency to start singing me me me about what ever the topic is. I get it. You're trying to do the best you can. Okay. That's fair, but tooting one's horn gets old quickly. There is no I in team, and I know you know that.ooph okay. Now on to Brandon.I'm not going to needlessly roast you, but your conduct towards Jayde has been less than mature. I am unsure what bug you have up your butt, but you can not carry yourself like this and attempt to be expect to be taken seriously. I've seen very little fact and more speculation or opinion. I am not expecting you to cite each point with resources, but at the same time where ever Jayde posts/says/does something, you instantly have to attack. It's getting old and is extremely counter productive. you are basing your opiniosn based on what has been written in a forum by a member who is a moderator. Do you know Jayde? have you spoken to Jayde off the site? If not, then I fidn it extremely unfiar and short sighted to base an opinion on forum posts. Again. I am not goign to say Jayde is blameless, but you aren't exactly blameless either.A vast majority of us are adults here. Start acting like it for fucks sakes! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440530/#p440530 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note not such a quick note. more like, a three day long popcorn fest! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440529/#p440529 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-11
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Re: Just a Quick note I honestly do not give one single solitary fuck, do whatever you wanna do buddy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440528/#p440528 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note you mean 1998? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440524/#p440524 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note man. what ever happened to the days when we used to just call people poopy heads? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440522/#p440522 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Ironcross,1. You want to know things that are going on that shouldn't be. That's great. Except that's not what you said. You're implying that there are things going on that shouldn't be. Huge difference. You don't know those things, and I'm telling you that, by and large, those things aren't happening.2. You're convinced I'm not the person for the job, despite many decisions and changes which have, at least partially under my guidance and with my help, helped to improve the integrity of the forum. These changes came about as a response to some of the bad decisions and precedents that shouldn't have happened, ever. I'm doing my best to clean that up, so I don't see what the issue is.3. Now you leap into personal judgment territory. You claim I have no experience with the stuff I study. I guess all those placement hours, classroom hours and lived experience over thirty-odd years of existence don't count? I guess you've been following me around with a clipboard determining the validity of the things I've experienced? Damn, who knew? You're a stealthy guy, I'll give you that.Right, where were we? Ah yes. Predicating my unsuitability as a mod upon knowledge I didn't know you had. Knowledge you can't seem to prove.4. My attitude is arrogant and condescending to everyone I talk to, with the possible exception of other mods. This is, again, news to me. I didn't know you'd planted listening devices in my home, in my phone, in my place of work, in my school, and everywhere else I might visit. Very industrious of you. The fact is, you yourself, and a handful of others, might very well be able to claim I'm arrogant. I can't and won't try and take that away from you. But where you fall down is when you start implying that this is a universal truth when it isn't.5. You imply that I put myself above others, that I see myself as the counsellor/therapist out to save the day, that I always assume I know best. Now you've switched to mindreading. Dude, you have absolutely got to get on a talk show with these mad skills of yours; you'd make millions! In case my treacle-thick sarcasm isn't apparent yet, let me dispense with it now and slam home a point. You don't know what I think. You know only what you're reflecting. It upsets you that I can best you in academic arguments (by your own admission, you said this bit yourself), and so rather than just take that as its own thing, you turn it into some sort of superiority complex, or worse. I'm not quite sure where you get off doing any of this, but hey-ho, let's go on.6. I have no earthly idea how to talk to people. Most of my colleagues, friends, family members, instructors and classmates would tell you otherwise. I do make mistakes sometimes. I'll freely admit it. But there's a difference between "sometimes you seem like x" and the drivel you're spouting at this point. You're attempting to make me look really, really awful by hyperbolizing the depth and breadth of my bad points. Try harder, and with a little more accuracy if you attempt this again.7. When do you target people when they don't have it coming? You're doing it right now. Maybe it's the fact that you can't stand someone on the left dancing circles round you academically. Maybe it's that I can be very, very sharp and even sarcastic (see above) when I'm driving points home. Maybe you can't let go of the past. Maybe you would rather take someone else's word than mine, no matter what I say. Maybe you're just plain straight-up no-bones-about-it wrong, and you need to take a deep, calming breath or two and own it. Because right now, all I'm getting from you is hostility. It is hostility I haven't earned, and the hyperbole which peppered this post of yours is fertile grounds to bring a character assassination charge against you. I can't do it myself - obvious conflict of interest - but to me, this is pretty clear-cut. If you want to criticize me, go right ahead, but be reasonable. Put things in context. If you want to lay it on thick, bring the evidence. But if you really think this is a hill to die on, start another thread, and we can burn all sorts of things instead of further sullying this thread about a fellow mod who did no wrong.By your own admission, you can be an asshole and a bastard. Give that some thought. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440521/#p440521 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-11
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Re: Just a Quick note @45 I think you give me too much credit. I want to know things that are going on that shouldn't be. I have a right to that information. We all do actually. If you're in a position to represent the best interests of the forum, then we need to make sure that you are the person for the job. I am convinced that you are not, which I know is contrary to my post before saying I've done a 180 on you, but I've reversed my position. You may be able to best me in arguments because of your academic knowledge, but seeing the way you act, you have no real life experience with any of the stuff you say you have studied. you're at the point now where it's time to put theory into practice; however, you are convinced you already know enough to manage things. Your attitude is arrogant and condescending to everyone that you talk to - with the possible exception of other mods. You also put yourself above everyone, seeing yourself as the therapist / counselor coming to save the day, when you don't even know the situation. You don't know who needs saving, and to what degree, but you're more than willing to go off half cocked and start chucking mandates, advice or what have you. This will cause you to fail in anything you try to do. Now is the time when you need to wake up and realize this is not going to serve you. You have no earthly idea how to talk to people. And, you trying to individualize everything that's happened is conceited.You constantly accuse me of starting fires or stirring things up, but more often than not I'm trying to bring the truth out, because, no matter what you say about me, or my character faults - for which there are many - I believe in honesty and uncovering dishonesty and corruption. deceit doesn't serve me, it doesn't serve the community, and it doesn't serve the people being deceitful. Honesty and integrity are one of the few things that you're born with and can die with if you keep them in tact. I am an ass hole, a prick, a bastard, etc. at times, but I am not dishonest. And, think of this, when do I target people who don't have it coming? I actually don't. If I weren't here, things might simmer for a time, but someone else would come along. Someone else would get tired of it, they would lose their patience too. So, yes, I may be loud about certain things, but just because I'm not here, and the others like me aren't here, doesn't mean you'll have a thousand years of peace. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440497/#p440497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Aprone, you ask me to step into your shoes, but that's really hard to do. You make a lot more assumptions than I do, for one thing. I would have begun digging/pressing/figuring things out the moment the new guy showed up and made his damning vote. I wouldn't have just quit and gone public, no matter how fed up I was. While it would not have been my responsibility to make sure the new person had done his due diligence, I'd also realize that to automatically assume corruption is logically bankrupt.We are fundamentally very different people.I also wouldn't downplay the positives that have happened in the months since (clarification of rules, open dialogue, accountability, formalization of warnings/bans). Frankly, it's not bragging or self-congratulation if good things did happen.So your exercise is kind of pointless, in my opinion. Thank you for being willing to back off. I confess that at this point, I don't feel I have much left to say to you, or to anyone who holds your stance. You have demonstrated a willingness to believe whatever suits your agenda, and one cannot argue with that without wearying quickly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440458/#p440458 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note If I were to put myself in your shoes, here's what I'd see:1. Some new dude jumped into a situation, got in over his head, made a vote with insufficient evidence and happened to be a tie-breaker. Huge mess. I'm annoyed. The first thing I'm going to do in a case like that is to either a) try to invalidate his vote due to his not being part of the situation, or b) talk to the rest of the team about how things were handled, asking if due process was followed. Yes, I would do this even if I had strong reason to fear or suspect suppression. You did not do this.I would not do as you did, and promptly quit and then get angry because you were outvoted/you feared everything would go back underground again. Please remember that ignorance and corruption are very different things.2. This new dude was part of some serious mismanagement shortly after showing up. Again, I'm annoyed. He's loud, he's wordy and he doesn't stop. This is troubling. When he starts to rein himself in and things start to calm down, I'm willing to at least see where everything's at, but I'm wary.3. Things go on for months. Nothing truly objectionable happens after this. Due process is followed. Open dialogue is sought wherever possible. Accountability is maintained. Promises are kept regarding the rewording/clarification of rules and the formalization of warning procedures. I can, at this stage, only conclude that despite an extremely rocky beginning, this guy is getting his act together. I don't agree with everything he does, but I can see where he's coming from.4. Regarding the way he tends to sing his own praises? Personally, facts are facts. I have no problem with someone saying "I am good at such-and-such" or "I have learned from this incident". This isn't bragging, it's confidence. Were the shoe on the other foot, and were it you saying the things I'm saying in precisely the same position, the absolute worst thing I'd be saying is something like, "Okay, so keep putting your money where your mouth is. It's easy to congratulate yourself or speak well of yourself, but harder to live up to it". Personally, I don't think I've inflated my own importance here, and I sure as hell haven't downplayed my mistakes, not for a second.After this brief exercise, I'm left wondering what exactly it is that you want, or think you want. I'm also forced to accept on a gut level that you and I are very different people. The way you wrote your last post, the loaded phraseology, the assumptive nature of many of your claims and stances, tells me that it is you, not I, who actually came into this with expectations, and because you saw things which may well have fed into what you did not like, you leapt on them. Refer back to my point about oversensitization in a prior post to see what I'm getting at. It happens to everyone. You see fire everywhere, so the next time you see someone with a lighter in hand, you deem them guilty before you know all the facts. Puzzle pieces are nudged and pressed here and there to suit an agenda. That is what has happened here. No more, no less.But thank you for being willing to back off. I'll do the same. I'm going to keep doing my job, though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440458/#p440458 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-11
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Re: Just a Quick note SLJ, to your 4 questions:1. This has nothing to do with Liam leaving as a moderator. Jayde said something in post 31 that I disagreed with, and I made a post addressing that. If, in a thread talking about funny dog movies, someone makes a statement like "I have never said I like cats better than dogs", then it is perfectly reasonable for you to post an example of when the person said exactly that. The normal flow of conversation often branches topics out away from their original title.2. The fact that I've been a moderator myself is not going to make me less critical of someone making a statement that I don't believe to be true. Perhaps if I'd never been a mod I could let more things slide and just tell myself that I just don't know what sort of stress they are under, you know, lower the bar because I don't know what it's like. Well I've been a mod and I've dealt with the stress. When I said things people didn't agree with I heard about it, when people stirred up drama and dropped it in my lap I dealt with it, so I am qualified to say that this current mod can handle my criticism.3. You're the latest mod to wish I would "Move on and forget", when it comes to problems with the mod team. I can't help but wonder how issues build up and fester.You've missed something important when you tried to quote me.Aprone wrote:I have no desire to damage this forum with more drama, but...You left out the word "but". It's like saying "I really should stick to my diet, BUT..." or "That movie was good, BUT..." It means I would normally like the first half of the sentence, but a stronger reason is pushing me to do the second half.Jayde, I'd love it if everything you've said was true, and I have a completely incorrect impression of you. I realize that for a while now I've been nothing but a thorn in the side of the mod team (more often than not, the ones who needed a thorn in their side), but I got here doing what I thought needed to be done.You can believe I'm wrong to distrust you, but you should take a minute to view the situation from my perspective. Lets say you had been arguing with a team of people, specifically about important information being kept quiet. A few of your opponents basically promote themselves and use the new rank to add in a new team member, who promptly sides with them. After you leave this new mod praises himself in multiple posts, and then uses highly interpret-able ideas like "character assassination" to discourage people from posting negatively about your opponents. Warnings are handed out left and right, people get banned, and basically this new mod has basically started a half-dozen fires. Now as several forum threads burn and many people are in an uproar, this new mod begins grilling and criticizing you via emails. Almost right away he begins repeating many of the same character-attacking arguments your opponents used, when it was easier to attack your motives rather than your claims/evidence. Perhaps this new mod really is neutral and seeking truth, as he claims (whenever he can), but he marched into your conversation whistling the theme song of the other side. Finally as a record number of forum threads are in full-on flame mode, this mod tells you that he never read any of the evidence or arguments before he voted against you and broke the tie to cause your loss, and then he cuts off the conversation so it's the last you've spoken with him.Perhaps this person really is a trustworthy fellow who is the victim of unfortunate timing, being fed false-info to get his support, some very bad choices on how to handle the forum, and some poor wording during a conversation. Perhaps that's all true and it led to a very bad first impression, but even if that's how it all went down, the first impression was still made. Those are very important and not easy to shake. Someone can TELL you 500 times that they are honest, seek truth, and support justice... but none of that carries as much weight as even 1 time they SHOW you the opposite.For the sake of cutting down on the drama, I'll back off and see how things go. I'd like my mind to be changed when it comes to the mod team here, and about you as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440453/#p440453 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-11
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Re: Just a Quick note SLJ, to your 4 questions:1. This has nothing to do with Liam leaving as a moderator. Jayde said something in post 31 that I disagreed with, and I made a post addressing that. If, in a thread talking about funny dog movies, someone makes a statement like "I have never said I like cats better than dogs", then it is perfectly reasonable for you to post an example of when the person said exactly that. The normal flow of conversation often branches topics out away from their original title.2. The fact that I've been a moderator myself is not going to make me less critical of someone making a statement that I don't believe to be true. Perhaps if I'd never been a mod I could let more things slide and just tell myself that I just don't know what sort of stress they are under, you know, lower the bar because I don't know what it's like. Well I've been a mod and I've dealt with the stress. When I said things people didn't agree with I heard about it, when people stirred up drama and dropped it in my lap I dealt with it, so I am qualified to say that this current mod can handle my criticism.3. You're the latest mod to wish I would "Move on and forget", when it comes to problems with the mod team. I can't help but wonder how issues build up and fester.You've missed something important when you tried to quote me.Aprone wrote:I have no desire to damage this forum with more drama, but...You left out the word "but". It's like saying "I really should stick to my diet, BUT..." or "That movie was good, BUT..." It means I would normally like the first half of the sentence, but a stronger reason is pushing me to do the second half.Jayde, I'd love it if everything you've said was true, and I have a completely incorrect impression of you. I realize that for a while now I've been nothing but a thorn in the side of the mod team (more often than not, the ones who needed a thorn in their side), but I got here doing what I thought needed to be done.You can believe I'm wrong to distrust you, but you should take a minute to view the situation from my perspective. Lets say you had been arguing with a team of people, specifically about important information being kept quiet. A few of your opponents basically promote themselves and use the new rank to add in a new team member, who promptly sides with them. After you leave this new mod praises himself in multiple posts, and then uses highly interpret-able ideas like "character assassination" to discourage people from posting about your opponents. Warnings are handed out left and right, people get banned, and basically this new mod has basically started a half-dozen fires. Now as several forum threads burn and many people are in an uproar, this new mod begins grilling and criticizing you via emails. Almost right away he begins repeating many of the same character-attacking arguments your opponents used, when it was easier to attack your motives rather than your claims/evidence. Perhaps this new mod really is neutral and seeking truth, as he claims (whenever he can), but he marched into your conversation whistling the theme song of the other side. Finally as a record number of forum threads are in full-on flame mode, this mod tells you that he never read any of the evidence or arguments before he voted against you and broke the tie to cause your loss, and then he cuts off the conversation so it's the last you've spoken with him.Perhaps this person really is a trustworthy fellow who is the victim of unfortunate timing, being fed false-info to get his support, some very bad choices on how to handle the forum, and some poor wording during a conversation. Perhaps that's all true and it led to a very bad first impression, but even if that's how it all went down, the first impression was still made. Those are very important and not easy to shake. Someone can TELL you 500 times that they are honest, seek truth, and support justice... but none of that carries as much weight as even 1 time they SHOW you the opposite.For the sake of cutting down on the drama, I'll back off and see how things go. I'd like my mind to be changed when it comes to the mod team here, and about you as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440453/#p440453 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Apronne's sight, and my lack of it (or Dark's, or anyone else's) is absolutely irrelevant.I agree that those who hold power need to stand accountable. But there is a difference between standing accountable and having to dance a jig just to remain that way. I'll happily do the former, but am not so willing to do the latter.See my last post for a really clear explanation of what I can and will do regarding self-defense. In particular, I do not particularly enjoy having words put in my mouth and intentions put in my heart. That is no right of anyone else's.And Ironcross, to tell the truth, it was actually one of your earlier posts in this thread that truly made me upset. Aprone stirred things a little, you came in and made things considerably worse with your bloody sinking-ship analogy. Aprone just upped the ante when I decided not to let those comments lie. Maybe I should have? Who knows. But there is such a thing as tacit acceptance, and that's what my silence would have suggested.As it stands, my prior post should act as a pretty clear example of what really happened. Now, can we stamp this fire out and get back to the business of audio games? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440452/#p440452 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I would love to know how Aprone is making drama, starting fires, keeping stuff going, etc. I personally *want* to know just who decides my and others' fate here, and if those are trustworthy individuals. Oh I think I understand, it's one of the first time blind people are being called out by a sighted individual for their fucked up machinations. Well, it's all true, the blind community is a dumpster fire.People in positions of power are generally watched scrupulously, it's part of the job. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440427/#p440427 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note @Liam, this forum, am sorry to say, had it coming. Sup With all the degeneracy going on. You've helped through some real turbulent times, thanks a lot. I feel, though, that the "turbulence" is only going to increase. I love the word degeneracy! Not as good as regeneracy, though. (though I wish the forum was going through the ladder instead of former in terms of toxic entropy...) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440417/#p440417 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note @Liam, this forum, am sorry to say, had it coming. Sup With all the degeneracy going on. You've helped through some real turbulent times, thanks a lotfor that. I feel, though, that the "turbulence" is only going to increase. I love the word degeneracy! Not as good as regeneracy, though. (though I wish the forum was going through the former instead of ladder in terms of toxic entropy...) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440417/#p440417 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-11
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Re: Just a Quick note @Liam, this forum, am sorry to say, had it coming. Sup With all the degeneracy going on. You've helped through some real turbulent times, thanks a lotfor that. I feel, though, that the "turbulence" is only going to increase. I love the word degeneracy! It's not as good as regeneracy, though. (though I wish the forum was going through the former instead of ladder in terms of toxic entropy...) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440417/#p440417 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Hi Aprone.1. What does all this have to do with Liam leaving as a moderator?2. If you are having issues with one specific moderator and not all of them, you should consider taking those issues privately instead of causing even more drama. You should have known better than this, especially when you have been a moderator yourself.3. I hoped you would just move on and try to forget what happened long time ago. But instead, you are just sitting there, as a previous moderator, making drama of one of the other moderators. At the same time you are saying, that you don't wanna damage this forum with more drama. That's exactly what you are doing, when you won't try to move on.So, guys, shouldn't we try to move on? Or is drama what you want? It's up to you... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440304/#p440304 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note If it takes three votes to decide an issue, it is logically flawed to assume that one vote holds more water than the others.Was my vote in error? Ultimately, sure it was. I've never denied that. It was made with incomplete info. This info was not willfully incomplete, however, and I think that fact got lost in translation. You label it as "corrupt" when, at worst, it was ignorant. Ignorance I have since owned up to. I made a decision with what I thought was a complete picture, and I did not have a complete picture. Ironically, it was one of Nocturnis's posts that convinced me. There is an enormous difference between an honest mistake and a desire to shove things under the rug. It should also be mentioned that the audiogames.net mailing list is quite honestly the first mailing list I have ever belonged to; I didn't even know there -were archives, much less how to comb through them. I went with the info I was given. That info was incomplete. I did not know this, and whether one should expect me to have known it is, I think, debatable. I cast a vote not knowing I had a picture that wasn't whole. That vote broke a tie. In its aftermath, I learned more, and was a large part of pushing for more transparency, a public apology and an admission of wrongdoing on behalf of the team at large. I don't really see what else I could have or should have done under the circumstances.At no point, not one, did I admit to knowing I was missing info and voting anyway. If I had, then your charge of corruption would stand. I have all of the emails we exchanged, as well, and it bears mentioning that you were not the only one being grilled. Your near-obsession with making Dark answer to your satisfaction was quite troubling, and was one of the larger reasons I eventually stopped responding to you. We both rubbed one another's fur pretty vigorously the wrong way, I think, but what I got out of it at the time was that there was really nothing that would be good enough for you.Aprone, I think you've gotten so oversensitized to people shoving things under rugs that you jumped the gun. I was hoping six months of time would curb your tendency to start fires in order to root things out - things which, in this case, don't even exist - but I was mistaken. I'm sorry for that.All I see now is a person who can't let go of a past that is long dead. I have no idea what the end goal is, seriously. Why walk into a totally unrelated topic and take jabs at someone? To me, that just smacks of immaturity and an inability to process facts.To all of the rest of you, I want to say, for my part at least, that I am sorry for this forum drama, sorry that I feel it necessary to defend myself against this. It feels a lot like undeserved character assassination. Liam left the team with no bad blood, as far as I'm aware, and I find it shameful that his leaving has been stirred up into this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440269/#p440269 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Ok, what aprone said needed to be said, but why the bluddy hell is this being talked about in a topic where liam decided to leave? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440231/#p440231 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note goodly said aprone! thumbs up to you!and yeah, maybe you should've liam. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440229/#p440229 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-06-10
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Re: Just a Quick note @36 maybe, I don't know.@35 Thank you, I'm so mad at this guy right now, if I started writing about him I'd get permabanned for sure. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440227/#p440227 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note *wonders if maybe I should have stayed instead?* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440226/#p440226 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-10
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Re: Just a Quick note Jayde wrote:I haven't changed much in the six months I've been a mod. My desire to hunt down the truth is as it ever was - in other words, tireless - and my tendency to chase is still very much in evidence. I am capable of weighing many viewpoints, and while I have definitely made mistakes, I've owned them without reservation. I'm not perfect, and I'm not going to try and kid anyone about that.You're right, you haven't changed much. Your post pretty much follows the same formula as the ones I remember from back then. You praise yourself as some sort of detective who seeks truth, do a little hand-waving to past mistakes, and then go on about a general complaint such as "character assassination" or "back biting". I guess we all have our winning formula.Of course my post was a small jab in your direction. When you said you "don't appreciate being linked to Lori/Walter, to cover-ups, to corruption", I wanted to make sure my post pointed out the bullsh*t there. I assumed you'd just leave it be, but not only did you respond, you are jabbing right back. It sounds like you're either pushing because you don't think I'll do another "tell-all", or because you're daring me to. I can't really figure out which is the case.I have no desire to damage this forum with more drama, but seeing some self-righteous person praise himself is no picnic. You know good and well that I view you as corrupt after how things went down. Even though you Seemed (and I'll stress the word Seemed) to have cared about truth at the very end doesn't change your actions leading up to it.When I was still on the mod team and we were voting on how to handle the Walter/Lori situation, surprise surprise, a new mod (Jayde) was added in a hurry and voted against me. That was the tie breaker and it was decided to move forward without any punishment, condemnation, or even word to the community about the abuse of power that was central to the situation. Keep everything quiet, so no one popular would tarnish their reputation, just as had been done each time in the past the Walter/Lori situation was addressed.We all know what happened next, I quit the team and told the community what had happened so it wouldn't be buried again.When I was no longer a mod, I exchanged many emails with Jayde where I was basically grilled for being the trouble maker. None of that was anything unexpected, until he admitted that after he joined the mod team, he voted against me without having ever read any of the arguments or evidence surrounding the situation. The mod list archives every message posted, and any of us could read back through everything to make sure we knew what was going on.Ever since the Walter/Lori situation first started, mods kept bending over backward to not talk about what happened. No one wanted to speak against the forum's king, and I was ignored or shut down each time I ever complained about what was happening. When you Jayde, suddenly join the mod team in the middle of a heated issue, vote to continue keeping things under the rug, and then admit you did so without even Bothering to read what the vote was about... you're just another in a long f*cking line of crooked people. You and the others are no different.Even if you started caring about truth sometime between then and now, you were still the final straw that pushed things into the bad situation that came out of all that. You weren't the one piling up the firewood, but you corruptly decided the vote that sparked the fire. I'd already told the mod team what I would do if the whole issue was buried again, and I wasn't bluffing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440217/#p440217 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Some dude who got dried out in the sun I think, Liam. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440208/#p440208 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-10
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Re: Just a Quick note Jesus you do like your little bizz words don'tcha. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440207/#p440207 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I have a question.I understand the all part, but who is this Sundry character.It's important. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440198/#p440198 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I haven't changed much in the six months I've been a mod. My desire to hunt down the truth is as it ever was - in other words, tireless - and my tendency to chase is still very much in evidence. I am capable of weighing many viewpoints, and while I have definitely made mistakes, I've owned them without reservation. I'm not perfect, and I'm not going to try and kid anyone about that. I began my tenure by being part of a crackdown that went quite a long way too far. I've been harsh at times. But I have, above all, been transparent, open to valid criticism and reasonably fair-minded. I don't let personal grudges get in my way.And why do I mention all of this in a thread that is mostly meant to discuss Liam leaving?It's simple, really. I'm just tired of the backbiting.If you haven't been on the staff list in the last six months, you have no reason to speculate as to how it's being run, or why a person is leaving. Doing so without any proof or any cause just casts doubt on past actions and makes you look bad. I am very ready to call a spade a spade and say that the pursuit of truth can sometimes come with a personal grudge attached; I sense some lingering bitterness due to past misdeeds and mishandled situations, but the current staff team does not deserve this sort of judgment...unless, of course, you're about to be part of another tell-all which will shed light on the state of the staff team and its decision-making for all and sundry to peruse?No? Not going to do that?Great. Then let us do our job. Enough with the snide behind-the-hand "it was probably such-and-such, it just about has to be". I've been harping on a lot lately about bad faith, and this was absolutely a bad-faith attempt at speculation.If you want to come forward with proof/evidence/other compelling reasons why a certain thing happened, or is happening, fine. I welcome it, and I know that there is nothing I need to be afraid of or disgusted for. I have nothing to hide. Let me put this into perspective. I've dealt with cloning, personal attacks, silly infighting between users, long-winded political arguments, multiple accounts, tireless arguments that go in circles...and this sort of sneaky suspicion-raising is probably the most personally troubling for me. It tells me that no matter how good a job one might do, there will always be someone ready to throw a little mud in the name of so-called truth. There will always be someone ready to take a shot from the sidelines and then spit-polish their own image. There will always be those who are ready, as well, to defend such people because they were part of change that needed to happen, implying that any attempted conspiracy-theorizing on their part must contain at least a nugget of truth simply because of their prior proximity to a situation that is now half a year dead. News flash: it doesn't work that way. Ignorance is ignorance, pure and simple, and I'm just a bit done with having to field it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440185/#p440185 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Hi Liam.I must at mid that this decision also came as a shock to me, but I fully respect your choice. Thanks for all the great work you have done. You have made a great difference. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/440040/#p440040 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-09
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Re: Just a Quick note Aprone wrote:It seems like declaring ones self free of wrong-doing would only encourage people to point out the wrong-doings.moot point. Its as if I had cited this and would just try to mention the times things were stirred up, which pretty much looks like it. See the great irony?to me, everything still stands as it is... speculation needs to stop and post 24 is exactly the reason. There are plenty of other forums for that kind of stuff and last time there was too much of that here, look at what happened. We will get nowhere with this anymore, so topic put to rest at least in this end of the viewpoint spectrum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439938/#p439938 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-09
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Re: Just a Quick note Jayde wrote: I really don't appreciate being linked to Lori/Walter, to cover-ups, to corruption, to having to look the other way or anything else of the sort. I merit no such comparisons. For better or for worse, the mistakes I've made and choices I've taken up have all been pretty straightforward, and I tend to own my choices pretty openly. The assumption that a supposedly secretive culture of communication which may once have existed on list still continues is nothing more or less than an attempt to stir up flames.Fair point, it's possible things are different now than they were 6 months ago. I haven't been around much since then. You may have changed since then too, but I don't think you should consider your hands clean, and state it so boldly. It seems like declaring ones self free of wrong-doing would only encourage people to point out the wrong-doings. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439885/#p439885 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Well, as someone who has the utmost respect for the facts, and for folks like Nocturnis, and as one of the staff team for the past half-year or so - a year during which, I might add, a fair amount of action has had to take place - I really don't appreciate being linked to Lori/Walter, to cover-ups, to corruption, to having to look the other way or anything else of the sort. I merit no such comparisons. For better or for worse, the mistakes I've made and choices I've taken up have all been pretty straightforward, and I tend to own my choices pretty openly. The assumption that a supposedly secretive culture of communication which may once have existed on list still continues is nothing more or less than an attempt to stir up flames. What's the point? What good does it do except to bring a few naysayers out of the woodwork to nod sagely and say "See? Yup. Just as I thought" even if no proof has been furnished?I don't deserve this. The team in general does not deserve this. Knock it off. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439881/#p439881 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note The shitshow at the top of general game discussion is enough stress me the hell out and I'm just a semi-regular member for crying out loud! I suppose the thing to remember as far as moderation is concerned, you don't get to speculate on reasons for quitting till you've done it yourself. Similar to how you can't speculate on whether or not your waiter/waitress deserves that 15 or 20% tip rather than a lousy 10% until you've worked on a grossly underpaid salary that depends on tips, unless of course their service is legitimately low quality. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439865/#p439865 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I'm kind of amused by all the rampant speculation, if I'm being completely honest. I don't agree with everything that's happened on list either, but we have a pretty open culture of communication at this point and I don't believe anyone has felt stifled, stomped or spat upon. If they have, I have yet to hear of it.Sometimes, when people leave, it really is because they just got tired of the stress of a job and wanted to be done. I don't see why everything has to be a conspiracy, or must represent some sort of corruption. I'm not a big fan of the shit-disturbing, thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439863/#p439863 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note I have a lot going on right now. Moderation causes stress I just can't afford to deal with. As I've said before, I wish the team all the best going forward. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439739/#p439739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-08
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Re: Just a Quick note first of all, thanks for moderating, even for a short time. Never an easy job or task.Second, to everyone speculating, (which is 98% of the post from 15 to 22) I would just hold on and respect the privacy of the individual who made a decision and just not stress about it... there is nothing that can be done now, anyway. Or in other words--no greater amount of whistle-blowing, smearing, enlightenment, rug lifting, whatever. will reverse this individual, personal and completely valid decision. Sure it might accomplish some things (as the infamous lory/walter case sort of did, which everyone had on their minds for no more than a month) but absolutely nothing else apart from that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439702/#p439702 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Agree with 21 here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439664/#p439664 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-08
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Re: Just a Quick note Liam's character is beyond reproach. I do think there are many things to have to turn a blind eye to, as it were, to continue to serve, for it seems like trying to change them will end up seeing you shunned by the other mods. I think perhaps that he was bothered, though I can only speculate. Judging how the team reacted towards you (Aprone), and Nocternus, I would have to say that they are rather averse to change. Trying to effect change then, is tantamount to setting yourself apart from them, which they are only too happy to help you do. If you do what you're supposed to do like a good little boy, then you can be all buddy buddy with them. If not, they simply shun you. If all you can do is maintain things in this current state, which is not a good one, then why bother. I don't know Liam's motivation to join the mod team, but judging from his other endeavors, I think it was to try to effect change, to clean up the place. But, he saw that he would never graduate from midshipman, always being the one left to do the worst tasks, and that takes a toll. And, if serving on a ship, and the captain and his mates do not try to save the ship in a gale, why not take a lifeboat and strike out for shore, especially if you can see the coast on the horizon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439603/#p439603 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-08
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Re: Just a Quick note defender wrote:Props for not smearing fellow mods on the way out.Speak of the devil right? lol!So I guess the question is, is Liam really good at looking the other way, or was he not bothered by anything he saw while serving? I've learned that it's pretty much one of those 2 options. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439563/#p439563 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-06-08
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Re: Just a Quick note Hi,Agreed with Ironcross in post 17 here. For something like this, the truth should be told, rather than being swept under the rug, because then it ends up causing massive drama and harm/hostility (see the whole Walter Story).Edit: Liam, I would love to know as well why you left all of a suddon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439499/#p439499 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-08
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Re: Just a Quick note hi, @1 why did you decide to leave? that was quick you were part of the moderation team since march. this decision comes as a shock to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439518/#p439518 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-08
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Re: Just a Quick note Hi,Agreed with Ironcross in post 17 here. For something like this, the truth should be told, rather than being swept under the rug, because then it ends up causing massive drama and harm/hostility (see the whole Walter Story). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439499/#p439499 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-07
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Re: Just a Quick note @15 ugh... just... ugh. I just... don't even know what to say, so it's a problem to let the truth come to light rather than hush it all up and swept under the rug for all eternity? The others didn't smear, as you call it, they shed some light on some things that honestly, I'm glad they did.I swear, you just say things to be contrarian, or controversial, because you take the illogical position when the evidence points one way to the extent that everything else is irrelevant. Now there's an argument to made about insider secrets, but we always have and always will need whistleblowers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439438/#p439438 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Nah. I don't agree with everything that was done here, and I don't agree with every position both here on and list, but I honestly feel like the mods want to do what's best for the longevity of the forum. Smearing serves no purpose. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439363/#p439363 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-07
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Re: Just a Quick note Props for not smearing fellow mods on the way out. I sympathise somewhat for those few who did that, because many of their points seemed valid and it was good to get a look behind the scenes in a way, but all it does is hurts both the site's and your rep when that happens and some of the stuff said seemed kinda irrelevant.I think you made the smart choice for your own mental wellbeing, and I know you'll continue to be a part of the community in other ways. It'll be sad to see you go though since you were the one picking up the slack in the last couple weeks LOLThanks for your work man! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439345/#p439345 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note For anyone who missed the joke from Pool in the newsroom:Pool wrote:that's great.hey, liam got some more work.True as ever now, though it didn't help that there were a lot of clone topics in his time. Not for any reason in particular, but I think I probably counted at least a half a dozen mod warnings in a single week or two regarding these, point being the forum has gotten crazier by the minute. So when all is said and done, Liam did a great job handling it.@masterOfDeath: Mind coming back to that after you've had experience moderating a forum if you haven't yet? Just because someone can moderate a forum doesn't mean they either can, or enjoy, handling it for a long time. I can venture to guess that there was no contract that said you must moderate for x amount of years, indeed in the staff invitations topic I may remember a person or two saying they may be able to do it temporarily or in their spare time or what have you. Additionally being a moderator is just not for everyone, and seeing as there's no apprenticeship on here, the only real way to find out is to give it a whirl if you're invited and find out if it is or isn't for you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439304/#p439304 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note see? I told you? when liam became moderator.liam got more work,nice job liam, I also dont like so much work,focus on your crazy streams, URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439245/#p439245 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note You were a great mod liam! Thanks URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439242/#p439242 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note Hi,I will agree that the decision shocked me as well so much so that I ended up contacting both Jayde, and Arqmeister, in private, before heading to bed last night. This morning the first thing I did when logging on was removing Liam's subscription from the list, but I did find it a bit of a shock all the same.Liam, can I also say I know your time was quick but thank you very much for doing what you did on the moderator list and helping us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439229/#p439229 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : MasterOfDeath via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note So imagine the following. Here in our country you go to university by applying for a thing which you study for 6 half years and then you go to further education. Nah, so, in grade 10 you think that oh, this one will be good for me, in grade 11 a different one, and finally, in grade 12, you apply for the one you really want to attend. You start it, everything goes fine until your rank is high up in heaven, and, suddenly, you get a 2 and then all your motivation goes off. And then you'll fall out and will try to attend a different one, but there they won't really look forward to hearing from you since they know your backstory. Isn't this a bit similar? I've nothing against Liam, because he did his job really well, but I'm sure, he applied for the rank after a lot of mods stepped down. So he must have known the disadvantages of being in a higher position. This community is really huge, and I'm proud of the mods for doing such a duty to keep us in controll, but sometimes, I just can't understand some things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439224/#p439224 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note MasterOfDeath, for pity's sake. Do you delight in rocking boats? This is by far not the first time you've done this. This is a bad-faith argument if ever I saw one.Who said Liam knew he couldn't keep the job? I don't recognize that point anywhere here, or anywhere else. The fact that this decision came as a shock speaks volumes. Could it be that Liam thought he'd be fine, then tried out being a mod, and then realized he no longer wanted the hassle it entails? Not every explanation is a dark one, and not every motivation is suspect. Good grief. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439216/#p439216 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : MasterOfDeath via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note But anyway, without wanting to cause any harm or anything, but then why did you even bother to apply for a position like that if you knew that you won't be able to keep it? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439203/#p439203 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note thanks Liam. You did a good job in my opinion. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439200/#p439200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-06-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : nidza07 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note That was faster than I could complete super Liam for the first time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439194/#p439194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note MasterOfDeath wrote:This was quick...If I had a dollar for every time I heard that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439193/#p439193 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note
2019-06-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : MasterOfDeath via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note This was quick... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439190/#p439190 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-06-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Just a Quick note we really appreciated your work! thanks liam URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439181/#p439181 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Just a Quick note We appreciate the work you did to help moderate the forum amidst all the craziness that ensued. Well done! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439144/#p439144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Just a Quick note
Just a Quick note This is just a quick note to let you know as of this evening I have left the moderator team. My status should be updated at some point this weekend to reflect that.thanks for letting me protect and serve. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439125/#p439125 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
