Re: TBD

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my thoughts on this.masonian, sam and whoever else according to them was involved in the whole UP sourcecode creation, ought to probably sit down, and decide on its status once and for all.masonian seems to be rather confused jumping from one stance to another,giving permission only to retract it later and so on.As for DM, it seems such a waste to let all of that go down the drain just because the developers didn't think to credit the UP developers or take permission. So perhaps masonian along with his co-developers could grant it permission to use UP's code and allow it back on the forums again.Because after all its not your run of the mil UP clone,at least from what I have read of it, so far. Seems unlikely though, what with DM beeing a likely prospect to give STW compitition and last I heard STW was following some sort of Freemium.grryf

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Re: TBD

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I think he was clear enough in that point

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Re: TBD

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Some people do not listen. I am not making that decission. Period.

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Re: TBD

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So, what's the deal with DM. Is it allowed or not, Mason.

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Re: TBD

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Anyone can use any set of letters to mean whatever they are playing and carry it over to those they are discussing the subject with.  To me, AA means alter Aeon, TC used to mean torn city, and LOGD meant legend of the green dragon.  To you Tc might mean tank commander, and I suppose if someone came up with a game called Lords of the golden dome or some such you might use LOGD to refer to it in short hand, but it's rather silly to expect everyone to write out the entirety of the title when it's that lengthy.  In this topic, the subject has thus far been ultrapower cloning, and as desafio mortal falls under the umbrela of this topic, DM has become synonymous with it.  Next, you'll be asking us to moderate what acronym goes with each game, if any applies. :d

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Re: TBD

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Actually, its kind of curious how you can translate desafio mortal as death match, or mortal match. Quite coinsidential I think!

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Re: TBD

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No, dm is not necesarily deathmatch anymore, because desafio mortal didn't get an english name. Sad but true, as well, but hopefully we can come up with another acronim.

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Re: TBD

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Hi.Well so it is what it is.Well blink thanks for responding on this thread to the reply from the initial thread and owning up for the initial leak.This makes sence.There is no excuse for what you did but I do share frustration as a user at times.Being now part of sonnar and before that a player, somewhere in there a pirate myself I understand the angles and its not always easy to put them together.Its a pity the authors of some of these games don't just ask the origional authors first.Its a pity that the code and licence files are so wide spread though.Still what's done is done now and there is no point crying over this.You know mason especially with mtg, I was tempted to share some of those betas, I didn't but still I would understand why someone would.When you crash and burn everything else burns with you.Then it comes up then goes down, at the end we are unsure what to believe.I always suppo
 rt people when they come up, I guess I am a sucker, or a bored bastard or both who knows.I just want to see people succeed.Sadly I see no real solution to ultrapower bar just dropping it completely.Its so wide spread and as the guy that started this mess has owned up, well its the way it is.Maybe the only thing you can do is have each developer licence the code for whatever and have a licence where each needs to be able to use the code with permition from all 3 devs or something or something like the gpl or one of its varients.I agree its damn not ideal but it may just have to be that way to avoid another war on this forum.Either that or each game that is made with the idea or whatever will have to be assessed, heck maybe up could be converted to a framework for a type of game.Its not perfect, but its probably making the best of a situation that shouldn't have had to get this far in the first place.We the community will be able to
  judge if something is an exact copy of another thing or not.If it is, we will go against it, if it isn't then we will have to judge it on its merrits.As long as there are official licences then it shouldn't matter who owns it as long as they get any credit and follow whatever terms are in those files.Using the same code, hmmm but basing a game off something else is probably ok.Sad but true.We will have to do something about this eventually.No that doesn't mean I will ever play the game discussed after all the crazyness that went on well.

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Re: TBD

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can we guys stop using acronyms for every game out there?dm=Death match ...I have never Heard of all these different things except btb, up, and tk

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Re: TBD

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The moderators are already discussing the nature of the rule. And I agree with Aprone here that one is needed and that we will always defend game developers against theft, no matter what. This topic is just about the UltraPower code.I searched the forum, looking for many of the past posts on this issue by the moderators. I have been very careful to state clearly that permission is not granted, until further notice by Mason (and now other involved parties, by logical extension). If the involved coders are now giving notice, then I don't actually see a contradiction in allowing this one game. We would still defend against code theft, but allow this game exclusively, as an exception. But I'm fairly sure that when I wrote those words, I imagined--as I did in the first post of this thread--that the code would inevitably be opened up, not merely that one game would get permission. As I and Aprone have already said, it's pretty meaningless to make an exception for t
 his one game, because we'd still have to check in for every new clone somehow (remember, Mason, that you only recently reappeared on this board--you might imagine how things would have turned out without you), and we already know that DM is based on UltraPower code. But of course, the decision ultimately lies with the authors of the code, and we will do all we reasonably can to keep that promise we originally made to Mason. That's fair, I think. Future developers will have our new "anti-theft" rule for cover, and I hope we'll be clear that developers bear responsibility for ensuring that their code is reasonably protected from disclosure and reporting any suspected breaches (with a suitably high bar for evidence). Then, God helping, this sort of nonsense doesn't ever occur again.For now, absent any new information, I think we will have to defend the code. I think that's clear. If we can't get permission from all the people who wrote it,
  then we simply can't make any allowances. I think that will have to be the case until such time as everybody involved comes forward and categorically agrees to allow it. Since Mason says he isn't the only author of this code, DM will have to be regarded as a "clone" just like all the other games, and disallowed from the forum, until this happens. I just can't see any other way at the moment, but I'm open to suggestions.

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Re: TBD

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I'll consider it but for now, that server is still down so I don't see the point at the moment.

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Re: TBD

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So you're saying, Dm is cool so who cares about other's work. Just open the topic because I want to play it and I only care about myself. Who cares how much work was stolen. As long as I get my game and the dev does a good job and keeps me pleased, who cares.tabutcu wrote:open the desafio mortal topic, because this ggame is werry cool, and game is stolen by ultrapower source, but btb, btb was clone by ultrapower. i think esafio mortal is cool game.

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Re: TBD

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open the desafio mortal topic, because this ggame is werry cool, and game is stolen by ultrapower source, but btb, btb was clone by ultrapower. i think esafio mortal is cool game.

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Re: TBD

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I was thinking about that earlier, and like I said, I just wish I wasn't such an idiot and leaked the code. Seriously, if I wasn't so ridiculous about eh matter, this would have never happened. But nope, I had to zip that ultraCrapper source code to Wiam or whatever the hell his name is, and from there it went to Vad's hands, and then it just...flew all over the gaming community. Yeah, I released the code and said it was OK to do whatever you want with it, but you need to understand I did that out of frustration. A lot of stuff was going on with Colton and I and another individual. Not trying to post this because I want people to be sorry for me, but I just want to publicly set the story straight on how the source code even got leaked. It wasn't really Colton's fault because he told me not to give it out. But like always, I didn't listen. Hell, I wasn't even gonna log in to the main Ultrapower server. But sometimes I do things on impulse. As to t
 he DM situation, my thing is this. I don't think its fair to Sam Tupy, me, Colton, NS, and Mason. Colton and I did plenty of work on BTB, which is what these people are using. So we work our asses off to have this really nice working game and some person changes it, and boom? Its his? No, sorry. You could say I have no room to talk, but I am using as much source code, which is quite a bit, as I can with out going to my bib folder when I'm coding Tk. I have another project in the works that's. even less relying on that code, and no, its not a shooter. That's another story for another day though. Now I'm just getting out of topic. Well that's it for now, I'll be back when I get this work done.

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Re: TBD

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so if desafio mortal get's the goahead here, and is allowed to use the code in question I think they should be allowed a completely fresh thread. I think the origenal thread should be either removed or be allowed to be buried over time. I'm certainly not comfortable with the thaught of it being constanyly bumped up  on the first page of new releases, given the toxic posts contained within.

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Re: TBD

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Like I said, I'm going to leave that up to the other participants of that code now. I'm OK with whatever they choose and I'm not willing to choose for them.

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Re: TBD

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Re: TBD

Tabutcu, even if a game becomes abandonware, it does not mean the game's code is open for people to use.

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Re: TBD

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Sam Tupy, Mason Armstrong, and Ns studios are ultrapower developers, but this users was shared to codes, and this code was abandonware, and desafio mortal team changed to much features, planes, trains, watchs, drinks, and more! i think open to desafio mortal topic, because ultrapower source is abandonware, and all users creating a ultrapower server and btb server. i think open the desafio mortal topic!

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Re: TBD

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Tabutcu I am having difficulty understanding what you are trying to say.  If you would, please rephrase your message so I can hopefully understand it better.Mason and Sam, if the Ultra power code contained work from 3 developers (you both and NS), and I can assume that none of you wanted the code to make its way into the hands of so many people, then I agree you should all have a say in this manner.  I would like to hear what you have to say.When it comes to the initial misunderstanding on this thread, it sounds like the only question was whether or not Mason would allow the recent Desafio Mortal game to use the "stolen" source code.  By choosing to give permission for that game to use the code, it would allow that game to once again be discussed and supported here on the message board without any forum rules being violated.Now that the misunderstanding has been pointed out, I can't help but think even the decision to help the Des
 afio Mortal team, was not something you intended to do.  Reading that giving such permission may involve 2 other developers besides yourself further complicates things, even if you are ready to grant Desafio permission to use that code.The way I see it, nothing said here will change this forum's rules regarding the use of stolen code (code used without the original developer's permission).  Even if Mason, Sam, and NS were to all grant total permission to use anything they've ever written, it would not affect the forum's rules.  After all, at the moment we are focusing on an incident involving Ultra power code, but next week we may be faced with an entirely different developer's code being misused.If Mason, Sam, NS, or anyone else involved in the creation of the Ultra power code, choose to give official permission to the Desafio team to use that code, I have to wonder what exactly that would accomplish.  The moderator team
 39;s job will not have changed, it will only mean there is 1 less game we have to "keep off" the forum.  The work of investigating the Desafio game has already been done, so making an exception for this 1 game is not going to save us from anything.  Now of course I'm not trying to convince you to NOT help out the Desafio team, but I have the feeling that you may only be considering it as some way to make life easier on the moderation team.  If that was in fact your motivation, then please rethink your plan because it would not.Regardless of what you decide, the moderators will still have the same rule against people using code without permission.  Regardless of what you decide, the laborious work of investigating Desafio Mortal was already done.  The only thing you may choose to change here, is to allow the Desafio team to bring their game back to this forum without first removing (or crediting you for) the original Ultra power source c
 ode.

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Re: TBD

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I think a generalized no theft policy should be in effect. But, its not the Mod team's responsibility to decompile every new game and check it against source code already in existence, its the job of the developer who might suspect their code is being used in such a manner to report it. That, or a concerned player who suspects this.

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Re: TBD

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@Moderator or Admins: Mason is not developing this game now this game is a clone though, and the source code of this software has been modified and the source code is shared here at the same time there are very big changes in the game, I think the topic of how to play this game you must open the ultra power is stolen from the source code change was made though in this game a lot, watch, changes and so on, plane, train, and more. I think this thread should open.

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Re: TBD

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Hi. So, I believe I should have a say in this matter, especially on this DM clone in particular ware a lot of the "fun" on that game was exploring the maps. I want it to be noted in what ever decision that I honestly should have a say in because of this, but the map system, and the inventory system are both mine that I gave to mason when the project was still a good project. I still use these systems today so it is not even outdated code or anything. I know I gave it to mason but that was when the project was still going strong before this all started. I really believe I should have at least a bit of athoritive say in the matter, sense we are talking about stolen source code.

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Re: TBD

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See, this is hard because I get what you're saying. I just wish MP never happened to be honeest and to say I'll have nothing of it would be unfair. You also have to understand that it's not just my code at stake here. It's Sam Tupy and NS Studios's code and I'm not willing to decide for both of them. I made a mistake in deciding what I did in the first place, not even thinking about Sam or NS. This was a bad move on my part, and me and Sam had a not so nice discussion about it which made me realize some things. While it's true a lot of you may not like Sam for one reason or another, it is also true that quite a bit of UP's core code was written by Sam. For instance, the initial server code, as well as the inventory and map systems, to name a few.So as I've said before, I'm not OK with making the final decissions on this one. I hope you understand. I hope that me, Sam, you, and NS can make a final decission that nobody
 's mad about here.

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Re: TBD

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Ta, Aprone. I changed the title and text. For those unaware, it promised that Mason had liberated the code. I mistook his allowing DM for all of UltraPower. I think this is reasonable, if you consider that DM is just one such UltraPower derivative, albeit rather better than most.But now for the real questions. Mason, if you aren't opening it up, what exactly are you proposing? If we were to allow DM, how is it different from allowing any game? And how will we know which of the games to allow, and which not? And if all it takes to get access to your code is to raise an embarrassing stench on this board, how is it good for the forum, and what kind of a message are we sending that code stealing is OK, you'll get your way eventually, just shout very loudly on a public topic?I want to respect your wishes, I really do. And to others who have observed, you're quite right it's a bloody difficult and annoying thing to have to do, and we do it because we
 39;re principled and give a damn and we don't want to see bad behaviour rewarded. But sooner or later there must come some definite end to this drama. Sooner or later, we will either absolve ourselves, by absolute necessity, of all responsibility of this kind, or simply forbid anything. We'll probably have to write a rule, to the effect of "no theft", regardless, and that's just what every new developer wants to read when writing a new game, I'm sure you'll agree.Come on Mason, please decide, once and for all. If you want it to disappear, no problem. If you want to give it away and end all the doubt, that's cool too. Whatever you decide, we will respect your wishes, but we will have to make it policy and there can't be any turning back. Thank you.

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Re: TBD

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Ta, Aprone. I changed the title and text. For those unaware, it promised that Mason had liberated the code. I mistook his allowing DM for all of UltraPower. I think this is reasonable, if you consider that DM is just one such UltraPower derivative, albeit rather better than most.But now for the real questions. Mason, if you aren't opening it up, what exactly are you proposing? If we were to allow DM, how is it different from allowing any game? And how will we know which of the games to allow, and which not? And if all it takes to get access to your code is to raise an embarrassing stench on this board, how is it good for the forum, and what kind of a message are we sending that code stealing is OK, you'll get your way eventually, just shout very loudly on a public topic?I want to respect your wishes, I really do. And to others who have observed, you're quite right it's a bloody difficult and annoying thing to have to do, and we do it because we
 39;re principled and give a damn and we don't want to see bad behaviour rewarded. But sooner or later there must come some definite end to this drama. Sooner or later, we will either absolve ourselves, by absolute necessity, of all responsibility of this kind, or simply forbid anything. We'll probably have to write a rule, to the effect of "no theft", regardless, and that's just what every new developer wants to read when writing a new game, I'm sure you'll agree.Come on Mason, please decide, once and for all. If you want it to disappear, no problem. If you want to give it away and end all the doubt, that's cool too. Whatever you decide, we will respect your wishes, but we will make it policy and there can't be any turning back. Thank you.

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Re: TBD

Ta, Aprone. I changed the title and text. For those unaware, it promised that Mason had liberated the code. I mistook his allowing DM for all of UltraPower. I think this is reasonable, if you consider that DM is just one such UltraPower derivative, albeit rather better than most.But now for the real questions. Mason, if you aren't opening it up, what exactly are you proposing? If we were to allow DM, how is it different from allowing any game? And how will we know which of the games to allow, and which not? And if all it takes to get access to your code is to raise an embarrassing stench on this board, how is it good for the forum, and what kind of a message are we sending that code stealing is OK, you'll get your way eventually, just shout very loudly on a public topic?I want to respect your wishes, I really do. And to others who have observed, you're quite right it's a bloody difficult and annoying thing to have to do, and we do it because we
 39;re principled and give a damn and we don't want to see bad behaviour rewarded. But sooner or later there must come some definite end to this drama. Sooner or later, we will either absolve ourselves, by absolute necessity, of all responsibility of this kind, or simply forbid anything. We'll probably have to write a rule, to the effect of "no theft", regardless, and that's just what every new developer wants to read when writing a new game, I'm sure you'll agree.Come on Mason, please decide, once and for all. Whatever you decide, we will respect your wishes, but we will make it policy and there will be no turning back. Thank you.

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Re: TBD

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Re: TBD

I changed the title and text. For those unaware, it promised that Mason had liberated the code. I mistook his allowing DM for all of UltraPower. I think this is reasonable, if you consider that DM is just one such UltraPower derivative, albeit rather better than most.But now for the real questions. Mason, if you aren't opening it up, what exactly are you proposing? If we were to allow DM, how is it different from allowing any game? And how will we know which of the games to allow, and which not? And if all it takes to get access to your code is to raise an embarrassing stench on this board, how is it good for the forum, and what kind of a message are we sending that code stealing is OK, you'll get your way eventually, just shout very loudly on a public topic?I want to respect your wishes, I really do. And to others who have observed, you're quite right it's a bloody difficult and annoying thing to have to do, and we do it because we're princi
 pled and give a damn and we don't want to see bad behaviour rewarded. But sooner or later there must come some definite end to this drama. Sooner or later, we will either absolve ourselves, by absolute necessity, of all responsibility of this kind, or simply forbid anything. We'll probably have to write a rule, to the effect of "no theft", regardless, and that's just what every new developer wants to read when writing a new game, I'm sure you'll agree.Come on Mason, please decide, once and for all. Whatever you decide, we will respect your wishes, but we will make it policy and there will be no turning back. Thank you.

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Thanks for making the change to this topic Sebby, actually it was apparently being changed while I was typing a post.  That old post no longer applies so I'm starting over on this new one.To everyone who posted on this topic before reading what Mason wrote, please take note that you were probably responding to incorrect information.  A mistake was made in relying a message from Mason, and Mason should not be held to any of what was said.  I suppose this is a problem with the "he said", "she said" game, haha.Mason, don't back down from what you actually want, regardless of the mistake that was made in this topic.  I for one don't want you caving in to some bizarre form of peer pressure here.

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