I use a musical fidelity A3-24 DAC with the duet. The squeezebox sounds
much better with the DAC. Imaging and detail are very good and the combo
sounds better than my entry level NAD cd player. The bass is very tight
and much more defined with the DAC. I do not consider myself to be an
Where sound is concerned I find that the DAC of choice matters much like
most other component (speakers excluded) does. Namely important. I keep
a varied collection of DAC's around precisely to coulour sound a certain
way.
- Kerry
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Transporter
Squeezebox 3 Universal
Hold onto your hats folks! - Dont cream your jeans over a DAC until the
Wyred 4 sound W4S-DAC1 comes out! You could be lusting after the wrong
girl!
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Winsome labs mouse (modified)
Maggie MMG's (modified)
JPS Labs power cords
Audioquest Granite speaker wire
Silver
earwaxer;520989 Wrote:
Hold onto your hats folks! - Dont cream your jeans over a DAC until the
Wyred 4 sound W4S-DAC1 comes out! You could be lusting after the wrong
girl!
Looks interesting. What Logitech product exists that will drive it to
its full potential? As a point of reference, I
Your amp is a great amp. Not the best out there, but a great amp.
If it suits your needs, don't bother about other peoples' opinions :
it's your room, your setup, your music, your ears. ;)
Regarding the Touch, it is more future-proof as it can read 24/96. The
fact that the digital and output
jgenner;520382 Wrote:
As regards the acquisition of an external DAC, I understand that I can
save the money as I want hear a difference anyway, right? The same is
true with regard to the Touch, as the amp is a limiting factor that
would not allow me to hear a difference?
That is correct.
michael123;519721 Wrote:
1) I was talking about DAC. Transporter has top-quality AKM (same as
Metronome, Esoteric..)
AKM now has a few newer DAC chips than the one used in the Transporter.
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DotSystem;520689 Wrote:
AKM now has a few newer DAC chips than the one used in the Transporter.
That's for sure. That has been 4 years..
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DotSystem;520689 Wrote:
AKM now has a few newer DAC chips than the one used in the Transporter.
Time marches on... of course, newer doesn't always mean better! nor
does it always mean worse!
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Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio,
and a
DCtoDaylight;520702 Wrote:
Time marches on... of course, newer doesn't always mean better! nor
does it always mean worse!
I use the Transporter digital output to drive the DAC section in my
player which uses the first generation 32 bit AK4397 DAC. I do this
because the combined DAC/output
Dptsystem,
What components are in your system - what is the Transporter hooked up
to?
DotSystem;520708 Wrote:
I use the Transporter digital output to drive the DAC section in my
player which uses the first generation 32 bit AK4397 DAC. I do this
because the combined DAC/output section in the
mr_bill;520709 Wrote:
Dptsystem,
What components are in your system - what is the Transporter hooked up
to?
APL modified Transporter with new clock, APL modified Esoteric UX-1,
Atma Sphere S-30, H20 S250, DBX 260, Zu Presence, GyroDec, SME 309,
Shelter 501, Walker phono pre, Calypso preamp,
Themis;520031 Wrote:
He probably meant CD. ;)
If you read his previous posts, probably not, so I'd like to understand
...
One interesting thing is that he mentionned electrical problems with
the
squeezebox.
In my opinion, this confirms what I checked with mine.
Clean power is very important
jgenner;518642 Wrote:
Hi,
Frankly speaking, neither me nor my spouse have been able to detect
more than a very subtle difference to the sound of the SB 3 connected
directly to my Creek Destiny Integrated Amp plus Power Amp and System
Audio Ranger system.
Jörg
It seems your Creek is
nicolas75;520107 Wrote:
If you read his previous posts, probably not, so I'd like to understand
...
One interesting thing is that he mentionned electrical problems with
the
squeezebox (static noise, probably after loss of power).
In my opinion, this confirms what I checked with mine.
Themis;520163 Wrote:
I have no electrical problems with my SB. Lucky ? ;)
Never had myself either.
But noticed that taking care of clean power made a difference to sound
quality (other devices with poor isolation polluting power in the house
for example ...)
Enough difference so connecting
Your email client seems to have a nasty case of post-echo...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W -
MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn
OK, I get it!:) If you don't believe that there is better presentation
to be had then, by all means, leave the system alone. OTOH, I thought it
might be useful to point out that there are those that hear a
correlation between levels of distortion and signal to noise WRT
articulation and SQ, that
konut;520340 Wrote:
OK, I get it!:) If you don't believe that there is better presentation
to be had then, by all means, leave the system alone. OTOH, I thought it
might be useful to point out that there are those that hear a
correlation between levels of distortion and signal to noise WRT
Sorry for the multiple posts. I don't know what happened, my message
seemed to have been lost. As it did not appear, I hit the submit button
several times.
As regards the amp, I am not questioning the analysis. And I do not
doubt another amp could/would make a change. However, so far, I have
ninjikiran;519719 Wrote:
When using a device as a transporter(as long as nothing is changing in
software) I see no reason for audio to change in quality. When using a
digital out on any transport it should be the same no matter what. 1's
and 0's can't be colored in such ways unless done
breakfastchef;519688 Wrote:
FWIW, I paired my Duet with a Beresford TC7520 on my Woo Audio WA6E
headphone amp running Sennheiser HD650's and I was stunned by the
overall improvement in clarity and soundstage. It was way better than
the Cuet running direct into the Woo amp. I then introduced
He probably meant CD. ;)
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jgenner;518941 Wrote:
I did. And my system is 1 overall. And yes, I hear differences.
At least the difference between a 1000 and a 500 phono cartridge.
However, neither Lavry DA 11 nor Beresford Caiman made a significant
difference to the SB 3.
Jörg
Hello, I have a squeezebox
My findings with the SB3 were:
A bit of congestion to the midrange and some loss of treble.
I added a Benchmark Dac 1 and percieved an improvement in sound.
I also owned a Transporter and felt that it was an improvement over the
SB3 alone, but would not swear that it was better than the SB3
FWIW, I paired my Duet with a Beresford TC7520 on my Woo Audio WA6E
headphone amp running Sennheiser HD650's and I was stunned by the
overall improvement in clarity and soundstage. It was way better than
the Cuet running direct into the Woo amp. I then introduced the
Beresford DAC between my Duet
Having both Transporter and SB3 in my apartment, I must say that SB3
sounds flat, boring and uninspiring. To me, it sounds like a cheap
radio..
Two weeks after I purchased it I quickly relocated SB3 to my bedroom
and bought Transporter instead.. What a difference!
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When using a device as a transporter(as long as nothing is changing in
software) I see no reason for audio to change in quality. When using a
digital out on any transport it should be the same no matter what. 1's
and 0's can't be colored in such ways unless purposely colored.
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ninjikiran;519719 Wrote:
When using a device as a transporter(as long as nothing is changing in
software) I see no reason for audio to change in quality. When using a
digital out on any transport it should be the same no matter what. 1's
and 0's can't be colored in such ways unless done
Hi Jörg,
Personally, I am one of those people who thinks the SB3 is a great
device and actually sounds really good (gasp). If your system is
already nicely compatible with the SB3 and you have your gain structure
and other aspects properly configured, you should be able to enjoy very
nice
My 2 cents:
the order of importance in terms of contribution to enjoyable sound
is:
{most important first}
1) the inherent sound of the recording
2) the room and its treatments
3) the speakers
4) the time of day and my frame of mind
5) the rest of the playback chain (transport, amps, dacs, power
jgenner;518768 Wrote:
difference is in the ear of the beholder
Actually, it is not. As I already mentioned, we were not able to hear a
real difference. In particular, not the incredible effects some people
are raving about in reviews and forums.
Of course, I know that a room can make a
Mnyb;518782 Wrote:
Don't dive to deep into the exotic dac department, some loonies are
adamant to make their product sound really *different* Non oversampling
w/o filters tubes ? i/v stages made of resistors paper oil caps and
countless other cargo cult engineering tricks. These products
Accuracy is an approximation, anyway. It clearly depends where do you
place your attention.
Something averagely less accurate, may be more accurate in a
particular subset, and, if these parameters are all you care, then it is
more accurate for you. ;)
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Themis
SB3 - North Star dac 192 -
Well back to the OP.
Phil Themis obviously believe in external DACs
So do I - Lavry DA10.
Dave
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DaveWr;518892 Wrote:
Well back to the OP.
Phil Themis obviously believe in external DACs
So do I - Lavry DA10.
Dave
I do - but I can understand others that hear little/no difference.
There are too many variables to say why that might be the case.
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You want
Phil Leigh;518901 Wrote:
I do - but I can understand others that hear little/no difference. There
are too many variables to say why that might be the case.
+1
otherwise I would not have gotten my MeridianG68J (except for in
combination with the DVDA player G98HD being one of very few systems
Phil Leigh;518901 Wrote:
I do - but I can understand others that hear little/no difference. There
are too many variables to say why that might be the case.
Everybody has made some fine points, as Phil has pointed out - the
variables could and can go on forever.
Main Point: Listening
Thanks for your answers. I would like to ask another question to those
who believe: Did you calibrate the volume and switch from one source to
the other (SB analog / SB external DAC) without knowing which one was
playing?
I did. And my system is 1 overall. And yes, I hear differences.
At
Jorg, one item that I don't think has been pointed out is that a DAC is
an item that can be added to your system at any point down the road if
you change your mind about audibility.
Unlike making a present day decision to rip your CDs to MP3 quality
instead of WAV or FLAC, deciding to stick with
Jörg you are not alone : I know plenty of people who can't hear
differences between dacs when outputs are aligned.
I also know a lot of people who can't hear differences between
amplifiers (provided they don't get out of specs) and the same about
interconnects or speaker cables.
It is not a
This is a great thread! I believe that what it really says is that the
SB/TP designers did a really good job up front, and that easily
definable/audible improvements are going to be difficult to come by.
Real science and engineering trumps hype, and imagined improvements any
day.
I'm the
There is a difference between cheap stuff and slightly more expensive
stuff(and I mean slightly). If you can't tell the difference within 2-3
hours chances are they are not big enough to care about.
There are some subtle differences with opamps though, swapping them
without any
I got my HT processor before my Squeezebox, It's on it's 6 years old now
now .
That is one the one thing I never figured how to even A-B test ? 6ch
processors !
To begin with they are not using the exact same algorithms for
processing or subwoofer crossover, so I did try to test them side by
Mnyb;519057 Wrote:
What I did A-B test was the MeridianG98DH DVD/DVD-A player/CD Transport
compared to the SB3 as a digital transport. In this case I could make
sure that processing and volume was equal.
The result If there is a difference it is very subtle I could not be
sure i did
Hi,
Does an external DAC really make a difference?
I have recently tried both an external DAV in the 300 and 1200
price range with my SB 3. Frankly speaking, neither me nor my spouse
have been able to detect more than a very subtle difference to the sound
of the SB 3 connected to my Creek
jgenner;518642 Wrote:
Hi,
Does an external DAC really make a difference?
I have recently tried both an external DAC in the 300 and 1200
price range with my SB 3. Frankly speaking, neither me nor my spouse
have been able to detect more than a very subtle difference to the sound
of
Could it be that just by rescanning you got your library cached in
memory?
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mlsstl;518661 Wrote:
You are the only one who can decide if any particular change in gear is
worth it. There are too many variables involved for others to make that
decision for you. Sure, there is a degree of difference in the physical
hearing abilities between individuals, but probably
I have found that the pursuit of differences is not a good approach
for the audio hobbyist.
What is more productive is to explore the question: What is it that I
do and don't like about the sound of my system?
There are ways to solve various problems in ones system and it is not
as simple as
Great post Joerg.
Of course the best equipment will be capable of resolving the smallest
subtleties better than will lesser components. Whether this greater
capability ever reveals itself to the listener is another matter.
The trained ear of a classical musician, or one immersed in the arts
Curt962 wrote:
Of course the best equipment will be capable of resolving the smallest
subtleties better than will lesser components.
For some suitable definition of best equipment
Perhaps. Maybe.
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http://www.pfarrell.com/
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Jörg,
In the search for nirvana, I have become a recent convert to listening
room optimisation, and have found that moving the sofa around the room
has a far greater impact on the sound that I hear than any amount of
fiddling with the electronics. I have gone down the 'this dac is better
than
Hi-
I agree with the others - if you are happy with what you've got,
great.
However,it is possible the differences are subtle and you will only
notice them after extended listening. You could try listening to the
external DAC for a week or more and then switch back. If there is a
difference
difference is in the ear of the beholder
Actually, it is not. As I already mentioned, we were not able to hear a
real difference. In particular, not the incredible effects some people
are raving about in reviews and forums.
Of course, I know that a room can make a big difference, and probably
jgenner;518642 Wrote:
I have recently tried both an external DAC in the 300 and 1200
price range with my SB 3. Frankly speaking, neither me nor my spouse
have been able to detect more than a very subtle difference to the sound
of the SB 3 connected directly to my Creek Destiny
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