Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread Julf
callesoroe wrote: Sounds great. I have no reason to believe it is not. The bas response is a lot better on my 24/96 files. This one too. And my Tact indicates it is 24/96. Well, yes, the Tact would indicate that, but it only looks at the file format, not the actual sound contents of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread darrenyeats
Julf wrote: Well, yes, the Tact would indicate that, but it only looks at the file format, not the actual sound contents of the file. The reason to believe it is not is that there have been so many examples of standard-resolution material upsampled (and zero-padded from 16 bits to 24 bits)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread garym
darrenyeats wrote: Why would hi-rez have better bass response? Surely this is a mastering thing? Darren garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread Julf
darrenyeats wrote: Why would hi-rez have better bass response? Because hi-res is Better? :) Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: I think means for you to get all anal and check the frequency response curves, spectrum analysis, dynamic range, etc. As far as I'm concerned, if you say it sounds good then it sounds good. Plus remember that it is not DSD so it's not worthwhile to start with :) It does

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: It does matter in one significant way (Eric Clapton - Old Sock): HDTracks 24/96 - $17.98 Amazon.com CD - $9.99 + free shipping if you get a couple other CD's (total $25) If the 24/96 isn't native hi-res, and you get no material copy to archive/resell, then it's pure

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: Absolutely correct. But then the whole high resolution game may be a rip off. In fact for many of the high resolution titles that I own which I feel have excellent sound, the improved sound may be the result of a better master and not the result of the higher resolution.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: I added the DR info... Looks like the same mastering so unlikely to even see an improvement there! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=search_album=old+sock Wow it looks like the lossy version is slightly better :)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread Archimago
Going back to the Oppo and DSD for a moment... It looks like I'm going to have to head off to my friend's place and test out what the RightMark 24/192 test tone measures like out of DSD64 DSD128! Archimago's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread darrenyeats
ralphpnj wrote: Wow it looks like the lossy version is slightly better :) I've seen brick-wall waveforms in 16/44 turn into slightly less bricky brick-wall waveforms when transcoded to MP3 ... I think it's an artifact of the MP3 conversion, I'm not sure it's a good artifact but I'm pretty sure

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread darrenyeats
ralphpnj wrote: and spending time and money hunting down a slightly improved versions of recordings I already own seems fairly pointless. Hmm, I would say it's not pointless for recordings you listen to often. The problem is identifying the best versions ... I am always worried about shelling

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread ralphpnj
darrenyeats wrote: I've seen brick-wall waveforms in 16/44 turn into slightly less bricky brick-wall waveforms when transcoded to MP3 ... I think it's an artifact of the MP3 conversion, I'm not sure it's a good artifact but I'm pretty sure it's not one a bad one! Darren So does that mean

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread darrenyeats
ralphpnj wrote: So does that mean that Pink Floyd's The Wall is double brick walled? Yes, well maybe the re-master is, he-he! darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread ralphpnj
darrenyeats wrote: Yes, well maybe the re-master is, he-he! And that would just be another brick in the wall. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread andy_c
It's weird that Oppo decided to support DSD when they still don't do DLNA gapless. Seems like messed up priorities to me. andy_c's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3128 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-29 Thread Mnyb
andy_c wrote: It's weird that Oppo decided to support DSD when they still don't do DLNA gapless. Seems like messed up priorities to me. That's weird., any streamer is useless without it. For them to add dsd is not to surprising they seem to make products that are versatile and support as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread callesoroe
Mnyb wrote: Sigh . The oppo itself is good stuff . But a pity (but expected) that stereophile is jumping on the DSD bandwagon . The last thing the audio world need is even more consumer formats especially as we have several that are perfectly fine and transparent to human listeners

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread Mnyb
callesoroe wrote: Totally agree with you in this. I have just purchased the new Eric Clapton album Old Socks in 24/96 on HDTRACKS.com. The album was available on release date in HD version FLAC. This is the way to go...More of that please :) exactly is there maybe 1% of the legally

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread Julf
callesoroe wrote: Totally agree with you in this. I have just purchased the new Eric Clapton album Old Socks in 24/96 on HDTRACKS.com. The album was available on release date in HD version FLAC. This is the way to go...More of that please :) Have you checked if it really is hi-res?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: Have you checked if it really is hi-res? It doesn't matter because hi-res, CD res or low res it doesn't matter because it's not DSD :) ralphpnj's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread callesoroe
Julf wrote: Have you checked if it really is hi-res? Sounds great. I have no reason to believe it is not. The bas response is a lot better on my 24/96 files. This one too. And my Tact indicates it is 24/96. callesoroe's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: Have you checked if it really is hi-res? callesoroe wrote: Sounds great. I have no reason to believe it is not. The bas response is a lot better on my 24/96 files. This one too. And my Tact indicates it is 24/96. I think means for you to get all anal and check the frequency

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread Mnyb
ralphpnj wrote: I think means for you to get all anal and check the frequency response curves, spectrum analysis, dynamic range, etc. As far as I'm concerned, if you say it sounds good then it sounds good. Plus remember that it is not DSD so it's not worthwhile to start with :) Yes if it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb wrote: And also an old analog master is not hires no matter how much we wish it where , it's like carry around 1liter of water in a 10liter bucket. Not so fast. An old analog master tape of an old fully analog recording is just as valid a source for high resolution digital as a new high

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread Mnyb
ralphpnj wrote: Not so fast. An old analog master tape of an old fully analog recording is just as valid a source for high resolution digital as a new high resolution digital recording. The real issue is just how carefully the analog master is converted to high resolution digital. What

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-28 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb wrote: I would argue that analog and digital resolution is equal in practice it is simply not true that analog recordings have infinite resolution and what we need to do is sample them better and better . Sn ratio is Sn ratio either analog or digital ( wath the video recently linked

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-27 Thread ralphpnj
Latest goings on in the world of clowns. It's now official: PCM, regardless of bit depth and sample rate is dead. Long live DSD!!! http://www.stereophile.com/content/news-flash-oppo-now-plays-dsd-files ralphpnj's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] News Flash: PCM is dead, Long Live DSD!!

2013-03-27 Thread Mnyb
Sigh . The oppo itself is good stuff . But a pity (but expected) that stereophile is jumping on the DSD bandwagon . The last thing the audio world need is even more consumer formats especially as we have several that are perfectly fine and transparent to human listeners (pcm equal or greater