Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Thats the sub under the lamp . I dont have stereo subs , my room layout is such thats basically the only place it can be in. So it had to be one good and quite capable sub for me. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
iPhone wrote: > Vandersteen 3A Signatures (the poor man's Quatro Speakers when paired > with Vandersteen Subs) Hey I represent that remark! (see the first line of my signature below.) And since I only have one Vandersteen subwoofer I must be very poor indeed. :) Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Okay so now that the pictures have been rotated and I have a clearer understanding what everything is, I do have a few questions/comments: 1) "Midsize sub in the USA" - only if used in a pickup truck or SUV, otherwise it's a small sub. :) 2) Is that the subwoofer in the corner with the lamp on top of it? Or do you have stereo subwoofers? 3) Enjoy! Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
kidstypike wrote: > Mnyb, I rotated them for you :) > > 25689 > > 25690 > > 25691 :) :) thanks Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > Sorry for the sideways pics its a handicap you have when posting from > an iPhone Mnyb, I rotated them for you :) 25689 25690 25691 +---+ |Filename: C005FB9F-357D-4F1C-8715-61C6C017D804.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25691| +---+ *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.2 -* Pi3B+/pCP 4.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, 25K library and playlists on WDMyCloud, LMS cache on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 4.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP 4.0.0 > HiFiBerry AMP+/retro radio *Garage* - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 4.0.0 > Edifier R980T *In car* - RPi3B/pCP in AP mode > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's audio (files on a 2TB USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 1xBoom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Sorry for the sideways pics its a handicap you have when posting from an iPhone Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Time to come to the conclusion i actually bit the bullet and importen one Rythmik FV15HP in piano black gloss finish :) What to say it actually works ! And integrated seamlessly with my hifi ! That can not be said of the wast majority off subwoofers out there The plethora of settings usable linear range in conjunction with the DRC and bass management in my Meridian system makes it go. It’s considered a midsize sub in the USA :P it’s was bigger than expected outdoors it probably needs a building permit . I may have been able to reach similar performance with something else , but imho price performance ratio is hard to beat in this one . It’s SQ is as good as my Meridian speakers it has no problems fitting in . Long term quality and service . I can’t says it’s unknown at the moment. In my use case it’s not overextended in any way I will probably not be blowing woofers and plate amps . +---+ |Filename: 1B0F789A-1F68-48CC-8C78-330CBE596B1E.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25688| +---+ Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
iPhone wrote: > . > Which is exactly why Richard Vandersteen designed his Subs the way he > did. It is basically like adding an additional lower bass driver to any > Speaker when used in pairs because the speakers base driver no longer > goes all the way down as it is rolled off and crossed over where the Sub > takes it the rest of the way to the bottom. This is why there are no > issues or compromise like with the Line Level setting one has with > standard add on Subs. Most add-on Line Level Subs sound great when the > system is at lower volumes because the level has been set to accent and > provide additional and extended bass, but as the system volume increases > this sweet spot goes away and the Sub is overly loud and muddies up the > overall system since it is a Line Level driven device. > > Just my thoughts, anyway Vandersteen basically took the advantages of an > Acoustat 2+2 Speakers with their passive sub and the advantages of an > active sub figuring out the way to use the advantages of both types > without any of the disadvantages both happen to have. > > There are many brands of great Subs out there and many different ones > work great when paired with specific speakers having specific needs > that those Subs fill if one is lucky enough to get the right Sub with > the right Mains. I got tried of buying and selling Subs trying to match > things up. The Vandersteen Subs work whether one has Planar, Ribbon, > Electrostatics, or Dynamic Speakers. The pair of Vandersteen Subs I > bought to use with my Apogee Acoustic ribbon speakers are the same pair > I have with my Vandersteen 3A Signatures (the poor man's Quatro Speakers > when paired with Vandersteen Subs). > . Hi iPhone! I think your post makes a lot of sense. I took a different route, by getting a pair of (stand-mount, to suit my room) full-range speakers which I am comfortable with first & then getting hold of the same manufacturer's subwoofers which unsurprisingly are a good match for their own full-range speakers: I use a speaker level input which has an impedance of 10KOhm & consequently has no effect whatsoever on the power amplifier driving my 8Ohm nominal speakers, but permits the active crossover & equalisation in the subwoofer circuitry to make full use of their in-built 500W Class D amplifiers to extend their LF response. It's actually quite amusing: the (outboard) tweeters in my 2-way speakers have a transmission-line loading, the 6" Kevlar squawker/woofer is housed in a heavily braced bass reflex enclosure (with a flared & dimpled front facing port in a precisely-located position - it is an integral part of the driver housing & the whole assembly is then bolted into the cabinet as one piece) & finally my subwoofers are opposed drivers, firing sideways, in a sealed enclosure! But, it works for me & produces very musical sounds in my listening room. My tactic is to buy as much as possible of my gear second-hand which essentially means that I could sell it for more or less as much as I have paid for it, were I to decide to make some changes... With regard to your closing comment that your Vandersteen 3A Signatures are the "poor man's" Quatro speakers, I can only conclude (with regard to the rest of your kit) that poverty is a relative concept! :D Btw, what vintage is your Thunderbird? Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
pablolie wrote: > > > Subs are tricky to set up to really complement your system. Less is > more. I don't want a cello to sound like a blue whale's mating call. > > . Which is exactly why Richard Vandersteen designed his Subs the way he did. It is basically like adding an additional lower bass driver to any Speaker when used in pairs because the speakers base driver no longer goes all the way down as it is rolled off and crossed over where the Sub takes it the rest of the way to the bottom. This is why there are no issues or compromise like with the Line Level setting one has with standard add on Subs. Most add-on Line Level Subs sound great when the system is at lower volumes because the level has been set to accent and provide additional and extended bass, but as the system volume increases this sweet spot goes away and the Sub is overly loud and muddies up the overall system since it is a Line Level driven device. Just my thoughts, anyway Vandersteen basically took the advantages of an Acoustat 2+2 Speakers with their passive sub and the advantages of an active sub figuring out the way to use the advantages of both types without any of the disadvantages both happen to have. There are many brands of great Subs out there and many different ones work great when paired with specific speakers having specific needs that those Subs fill if one is lucky enough to get the right Sub with the right Mains. I got tried of buying and selling Subs trying to match things up. The Vandersteen Subs work whether one has Planar, Ribbon, Electrostatics, or Dynamic Speakers. The pair of Vandersteen Subs I bought to use with my Apogee Acoustic ribbon speakers are the same pair I have with my Vandersteen 3A Signatures (the poor man's Quatro Speakers when paired with Vandersteen Subs). . *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
I use a Velodyne Minivee and can recommend it. It is very solid and disciplined and -at least for me- provides all the bass I'll ever need. But I should also note that I am clearly not a basshead. I keep the sub at 10-20% volume (and often turned off). That may also be because the 7inch "Torrent" drivers in the Totem Element Fire speakers provide fun bass extension. Subs are tricky to set up to really complement your system. Less is more. I don't want a cello to sound like a blue whale's mating call. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi iPhone! > > If I'm understanding you correctly, you have an active line level > subwoofer crossover unit (WX-2/M5-HP?) splitting the frequencies between > your pre & power amplifiers & giving you the necessary degree of > adjustment necessary to make your full-range speakers integrate with the > subwoofers in your listening room. > > If this IS the case, then I agree that the power amplifiers driving your > full-range speakers will indeed *-not -*have to handle the extreme bass > which falls within the range of your subwoofers. > > For myself, I find that having set up my sub-woofers carefully over an > extended period of listening (I always seem to set them too loud > initially & then spend a few weeks gradually backing them off to > integrate seamlessly at last) I now have no need or desire to adjust the > settings further, irrespective of the volume at which I am listening. > > This suits me fine, I really just want to hear the music... > > Dave :cool: . Hi Dave Close but still not there, neither the WX-2 or the M5-HP are active/electronic (although the M5-HP uses a 9V battery for biasing purposes). But they are both high pass filters that are inserted between the Pre-Amp and the Amplifier so it is impossible for ANY low frequencies to reach the Amp or Speakers. But since the Subwoofer and the Vandersteen Speakers with active subwoofer are connected directly to the Amplifier outputs, only they receive the low frequencies. Have a look at the Vandersteen Website for the technical details: Active Speakers . http://vandersteen.com//media/files/Manuals/quatromanual.pdf Subwoofers: http://vandersteen.com//media/files/Manuals/2wqmanual.pdf Regards :cool: . *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
The bassmanagment in my Meridian processor lets me direct the lowbas from all the other speakers to the sub out. So it not only LFE its index a real xover and the main channels do not need to play the lowest bas at all. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
iPhone wrote: > . > Hi Dave, > > Apparently you don't have Vandersteen Speakers or Subwoofers. The reason > one must have separates with Vandersteen Subwoofers or their Higher End > Speakers is because the Vandersteen WX-2 or M5-HP is used to connect the > output of the Pre-Amp to the input of the Amplifier. Vandersteen > Subwoofers and Speakers with active Subwoofers don't use any thing like > a Sub Out on a Pre-Amp or DSP which is why there is no drop out in > frequency response as they are seamlessly integrated into the main > speaker system additionally the subwoofer output is consistent with the > output level of the mains without the issues of being too loud at lower > volumes so that they are loud enough at higher speaker mains volumes > again the volume is also seamless as it is controlled by the volume of > the Pre-Amp going to the Mains! > > So no Dave, the Mains nor the Amplifiers are handling ANY low > frequencies which is why it makes the Amplifiers and Main Speakers > preform better because the Vandersteen Subs have their own dedicated 300 > Watt builtin amplifier and the Speakers with builtin active subs have > 400 watt amplifiers... > > I currently have a pair of Vandersteen Model 3A Signature speakers > with two Vandersteen Subwoofers (sounds fantastic for the money) and a > pair of Quatro Wood CT speakers that have the builtin powered subwoofer. > . Hi iPhone! If I'm understanding you correctly, you have an active line level subwoofer crossover unit (WX-2/M5-HP?) splitting the frequencies between your pre & power amplifiers & giving you the necessary degree of adjustment necessary to make your full-range speakers integrate with the subwoofers in your listening room. If this IS the case, then I agree that the power amplifiers driving your full-range speakers will indeed *-not -*have to handle the extreme bass which falls within the range of your subwoofers. For myself, I find that having set up my sub-woofers carefully over an extended period of listening (I always seem to set them too loud initially & then spend a few weeks gradually backing them off to integrate seamlessly at last) I now have no need or desire to adjust the settings further, irrespective of the volume at which I am listening. This suits me fine, I really just want to hear the music... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi iPhone! > > Whilst some 2-channel separate pre-amps have subwoofer outputs (which > will doubtless have some low-pass filtering applied, otherwise they > would be no different from regular variable-level power amplifier > outputs, as opposed to the fixed-level outputs usually denoted as "tape > outputs" - whether anyone still uses the latter is questionable), this > does *-not-* usually imply that the signal fed to the separate power > amplifier or monoblocs will be subjected to a corresponding high-pass > filter, since not everyone uses the subwoofer outputs. Some integrated > stereo amplifiers (-e.g.- the Pathos Acoustics INPOL-2) also have stereo > line-level subwoofer outputs. > > The only amplifiers which definitely will apply high-pass filtering at > the line level beyond a line subwoofer output are multi-channel home > cinema amplifiers specifically designed to be used with a 5(or 7 or > 9!).1 (or 2!) loudspeaker configuration. > > So I suspect that your power amplifier(s) are still handling all of the > low frequencies & delivering them to your stereo speakers (I am however > in full agreement with your preference for twin subwoofers wired up in > stereo to distribute the extreme LF soundwaves around your listening > room & thus give rise to less room resonance issues)... > > Dave :cool: . Hi Dave, Apparently you don't have Vandersteen Speakers or Subwoofers. The reason one must have separates with Vandersteen Subwoofers or their Higher End Speakers is because the Vandersteen WX-2 or M5-HP is used to connect the output of the Pre-Amp to the input of the Amplifier. Vandersteen Subwoofers and Speakers with active Subwoofers don't use any thing like a Sub Out on a Pre-Amp or DSP which is why there is no drop out in frequency response as they are seamlessly integrated into the main speaker system additionally the subwoofer output is consistent with the output level of the mains without the issues of being too loud at lower volumes so that they are loud enough at higher speaker mains volumes again the volume is also seamless as it is controlled by the volume of the Pre-Amp going to the Mains! So no Dave, the Mains nor the Amplifiers are handling ANY low frequencies which is why it makes the Amplifiers and Main Speakers preform better because the Vandersteen Subs have their own dedicated 300 Watt builtin amplifier and the Speakers with builtin active subs have 400 watt amplifiers. I bought my first pair of Vandersteen Model 2 speakers from my next door neighbor in 1978 when his wife insisted that he had to sell his Vandersteen speakers before buying his new "Dream Speakers" so I have been familiar with Vandersteen Speakers for a long time. I used Vandersteen Subwoofers with Martin Logan CLS speakers and with both my Apogee Acoustic Caliper Signatures and Duetta Signatures to give those speakers some real bottom end as well as taking all the low bass frequencies off of them. I currently have a pair of Vandersteen Model 3A Signature speakers with two Vandersteen Subwoofers (sounds fantastic for the money) and a pair of Quatro Wood CT speakers that have the builtin powered subwoofer. . *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Sorry, to be clear my comment was addressing the first part of your previous post where you pondered if two channel amps with "sub out" ports would actually bother with frequency filtering - and I think they don't. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
drmatt wrote: > Actually apart from the modern DSP-equipped digital amps with subwoofer > outs I think you'll likely find that almost all "sub outs" on analogue > two channel gear are essentially rebadged pre-outs with no frequency > filtering applied. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Exactly... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Actually apart from the modern DSP-equipped digital amps with subwoofer outs I think you'll likely find that almost all "sub outs" on analogue two channel gear are essentially rebadged pre-outs with no frequency filtering applied. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
iPhone wrote: > . > It is really hard to match/beat REL Acoustic or Vandersteen subwoofers > if one is looking for musical truth and not just noisy BOOM. The huge > advantage Vandersteen has is if one is using separates so that the > Vandersteen subwoofer can be acquire its signal from being installed > between the pre-amp and amplifier. This also removes the low frequency > duties from the system amplifier so it sounds and preforms better also. > I prefer subwoofer pairs so that the bass from each channel is handled > specifically by its own drive/voice coil instead of it being blended > between a single dual voice coil. Yes true bass frequencies are not > directional or in what one would call true stereo, but in properly > recorded music, the actual left and right bass tracks are NOT identical > hence I prefer to have an actual left and right subwoofer. Hi iPhone! Whilst some 2-channel separate pre-amps have subwoofer outputs (which will doubtless have some low-pass filtering applied, otherwise they would be no different from regular variable-level power amplifier outputs, as opposed to the fixed-level outputs usually denoted as "tape outputs" - whether anyone still uses the latter is questionable), this does *-not-* usually imply that the signal fed to the separate power amplifier or monoblocs will be subjected to a corresponding high-pass filter, since not everyone uses the subwoofer outputs. Some integrated stereo amplifiers (-e.g.- the Pathos Acoustics INPOL-2) also have stereo line-level subwoofer outputs. The only amplifiers which definitely will apply high-pass filtering at the line level beyond a line subwoofer output are multi-channel home cinema amplifiers specifically designed to be used with a 5(or 7 or 9!).1 (or 2!) loudspeaker configuration. So I suspect that your power amplifier(s) are still handling all of the low frequencies & delivering them to your stereo speakers (I am however in full agreement with your preference for twin subwoofers wired up in stereo to distribute the extreme LF soundwaves around your listening room & thus give rise to less room resonance issues)... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
All my music goes trough my digital souround processor/digital preamp and i have sub out(s) and crossover and bassmanagment there. And room corection. So in my use case the sub does not need to have xover for the other speakers thats handled by the processor . And REL speakerlevel conection does not apply either on my digital active speakers . In fact my only analog cable/conection is the subwoofer cable . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > Yes i also looked at Elac and Dynaudio and monitor audio who has very > flexible setup options. > > And B&W can be had in the city where i live , so i could go and have a > look . It is really hard to match/beat REL Acoustic or Vandersteen subwoofers if one is looking for musical truth and not just noisy BOOM. The huge advantage Vandersteen has is if one is using separates so that the Vandersteen subwoofer can be acquire its signal from being installed between the pre-amp and amplifier. This also removes the low frequency duties from the system amplifier so it sounds and preforms better also. I prefer subwoofer pairs so that the bass from each channel is handled specifically by its own drive/voice coil instead of it being blended between a single dual voice coil. Yes true bass frequencies are not directional or in what one would call true stereo, but in properly recorded music, the actual left and right bass tracks are NOT identical hence I prefer to have an actual left and right subwoofer. *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Yes i also looked at Elac and Dynaudio and monitor audio who has very flexible setup options. And B&W can be had in the city where i live , so i could go and have a look Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb wrote: > ... As a lot of power is needed for the EQ alone making the sub even > more ineficient by reducing size seems such a waste to me . why fight > against nature . I have quite a small room & it's nearly square (-not- ideal!!) - but *that's* why I have 2 tiddly "aesthetic" subwoofers wired up in stereo (for reasons explained earlier) with 1KW of Class D power (as the bottom end you can't hear the difference, lol, & there's a LOT less internal heat to dispose of... ) to compliment my Class A/B Pathos Acoustics Logos amplifier (biased to deliver the 1st 30W in pure Class A, which is about as much heat, -c-. 500W, as you can without needing noisy cooling fans... ) which gives excellent detail resolution across the rest of the audible spectrum. All I can say is that it sounds like Abbey Road Studio # 9 & 3/4 to me! ;) My room IS however, not large... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Yes most subs with closed box design are EQ'd to produce 20Hz . thats the only practical way else the TS parameters and size of the driver and cone mass gets absurd and it will not perform well at the upper frequncies . And B&W do still uses the force cancelling idea with dual oposed woofers in some curretn subwoofer models and so do some other brands Arendal for example . Sadly i dont have the house for it to do a real IB design as oposed to a closed box . make a hole into the attic (or other ) crawlspace put multiple drivers there and controll it with some EQ .http://ibsubwoofers.proboards.com/ Also i'm not detered by size . A lot of engineering goes into making small subwoofers mostly for eastehic reasons , the cab should be the size it needs to be for optimum performance . As a lot of power is needed for the EQ alone making the sub even more ineficient by reducing size seems such a waste to me . why fight against nature . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > But keep the suggestions coming . Get subwoofers (plural!) with infinite baffle design, & let the electronics + BIG Class D amps take care of the bass extension, if you want musicality. My B&W805S stand-mounts are themselves a hybrid 2-way design with transmission line loading on the tweeter (which doesn't need to be very long when the crossover is at 3kHz - that's precisely what the tweeter "pod" on the top is... ) & reflex loading on the squawker/woofer (in a VERY heavily braced & artfully-shaped enclosure - NO parallel sides... ). However my B&W PV1 subwoofers are a sealed infinite baffle design, with long-throw 8" opposed aluminium-mica composite drivers. The drivers are very light, but rigid enough to resist any cone break-up - with 2 of them (wired in stereo to help reduce modal resonances in my listening room, which is approximately 14' square & a TOTAL concrete box, breeze block/actual brick inner walls & concrete floor with beam & concrete ceiling - it certainly wouldn't make a good recording studio, lol) I have the equivalent of a single 16" driver, but without the overhang (owing to moving mass) or cone break-up (owing to the sheer size of the radiating surface) & the result is VERY musical low bass. If your room is huge, & 1000W isn't enough for you get 4! They are now quite a bargain s/hand, B&W service is cheap & exemplary should you need it & the things actually LOOK quite sexy to boot - choice of silver, black or white, dependent upon your décor & of course your indulgent better half's preference! Nothing more to add (for once!) - try it & see for yourself. You can flog them on for the SAME price if they really don't ring your bell... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > Yes the SB-4000 is on the shortlist . I do wonder if it's musical enough > ? Among others like the rhytmik F15HP . And i also consider Arendal 1723 subwoofer 2 . And many more , this is going to take months :D and possibly i'll fix my old sub . Or it's the analog out on the HT preprocessors thats busted (again). But keep the suggestions coming . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
jfo wrote: > Have you looked at SVS? I have two in my listening room/theatre. Very > happy with their quality and performance. There are lot's of reviews > available and they have dealers in Stockholm and Gothenburg. Yes the SB-4000 is on the shortlist . I do wonder if it's musical enough ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
bakker_be wrote: > The only non-musical sound (and I use the term liberally to include > movie sounds) ever produced by my BK Monolith is the rattling of... > ...one particular door from my living room to the hallway :p This > happened when watching "Finding Nemo" at "reference level", when the > little girl taps the fish tank ... I don't think the neighbours really > appreciated this either :) I find that a small piece of blu-tack in the corner of the door frame is good to prevent rattling (whether caused by little girls tapping fish tanks or simply by people opening other doors in my hallway - which must be relatively air-tight) & also to ensure reasonable sound isolation - which is important because low bass resonates very audibly in passageways, bathrooms & the like where the walls are closer together than the floor & the ceiling. I like to be considerate to my apartment block neighbours when playing The Rolling Stones' "Neighbours" track at "reference level"... :rolleyes: Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Have you looked at SVS? I have two in my listening room/theatre. Very happy with their quality and performance. There are lot's of reviews available and they have dealers in Stockholm and Gothenburg. jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > I know you cant hear much distortion down at sub frequency, but > rattling and port noises and excessive distortion The only non-musical sound (and I use the term liberally to include movie sounds) ever produced by my BK Monolith is the rattling of glasses in the cupboard and one particular door from my living room to the hallway :p This happened when watching "Finding Nemo" at "reference level", when the little girl taps the fish tank ... I don't think the neighbours really appreciated this either :) Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Kitchen: iPhone 5s + iPeng (local playback activated) + NAD 312 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 Headphone (cozy corner): Lenovo T550 + Squeezelite-X + Cyrus Soundkey + Topping A30 + Focal Elear Car: TBC ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Yes the sub is often the most abused part in the system without many realising it . So headroom is good they distort a lot too when driven to hard . My small Meridian 5200 is not the loudest thing you can buy , but even then they do at least >105dB ish ? And there are 3 of them with the front one Subs that play clean 20Hz >100dB ? Well in many systems the sub still bottoms out before your main speakers . I know you cant hear much distortion down at sub frequency, but rattling and port noises and excessive distortion Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > I will also consider dual subs , this is said to give smoother in room > response . Heartily agreed - you can't hear the stereo effect, even so wiring up dual subwoofers in parallel distributes the bass energy around your room dynamically (with the recorded stereo effect) & *-does-* serve to reduce modal resonance. You also get a little more gain from the extra amplification, so do not have to drive the subwoofers so hard: this is important since most of the wattage is used in artificially extending the subwoofer's frequency response below the natural cone resonant frequency, using electronic bass boost at the line level (still analogue!). For reference, I have a pair of 500W B&W PV1s (original model, not he latest PV!Ds) both of which I purchased second-hand. Hint: my more recently acquired one was MUCH cheaper (because it as no longer a current model, it's considerably newer than my original which I have had reconditioned by B&W. All right, -*fixed*- because I buggered the amp playing it way too loud... ). Incidentally PV stands for "Pressure Vessel" - they are spherical to equalise the internal stress of the (quite small) infinite baffle cabinet. Since the area of a circle is proportionate to its radius (A = pi x r2), having 4 x 8" (long-throw & aluminium mica composite) drivers is equivalent to a single 16" driver (R = sqrt(4 x 4) = sqrt 64... ). You also get less cone break-up & less over-run (because the driven mass is lighter) resulting in tighter & more musical bass. Just try it for yourself, then eat me if it doesn't work for you! :D Dave :cool: P.S. Even the movie mob have caught on as in Dolby Atmos 11.2 "complete immersion" surround sound... Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > Don't know but i think my audiophile card is revoked :D I reckon that *-all-* of our cards have been revoked by now... ;) Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > The BK monoliths looks very similar to the REL Ive already have at 1/2 > the price 14 years later . > > I will also consider dual subs , this is said to give smoother in room > response . That's because BK Electronics used to design and build the REL subwoofers (https://www.bkelec.com/about_us.htm) Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Kitchen: iPhone 5s + iPeng (local playback activated) + NAD 312 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 Headphone (cozy corner): Lenovo T550 + Squeezelite-X + Cyrus Soundkey + Topping A30 + Focal Elear Car: TBC ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
The BK monoliths looks very similar to the REL Ive already have at 1/2 the price 14 years later . I will also consider dual subs , this is said to give smoother in room response . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
usc95 wrote: > I have heard a Rythimik sub on a friend's system and it was very capable > with the movie we were watching. I didn't demo it like I would one for > my own system since it was at his place but it filled in with his B&W > towers nicely. Personally I would rate what I have heard as > SVS>HSU>Rythmik as far as total bass performance with HSU on top with > consideration to value for money. This is my personal opinion with a > bias toward home theater use as these were all ported subs. My HSU has > a variable design that allows me to plug the ports for a tighter > response geared for music but I usually run them open for deeper, louder > bass required for home theater. > > I saw the recommendation for the BK Monolith and had to look them up as > I am not familiar with them. Looks good! There is another "Monolith" > to consider as well - the recently launched Monolith subs from Monoprice > that have received some very rave > reviews:https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24458&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7ey1hIOS2gIV3ISzCh3nCAJrEAQYASABEgL2i_D_BwE > Again, I am not sure they are available in Sweden but if they are you > can add them to your list... Interesting spec on that Monolith sub from Monoprice . Actual honest distortion measurement on a speaker at very high SPL , you basically never see that . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Mnyb wrote: > What about Rythmik subs ? Anyone has any experience. > > And again thanks for the suggestions.:) I have heard a Rythimik sub on a friend's system and it was very capable with the movie we were watching. I didn't demo it like I would one for my own system since it was at his place but it filled in with his B&W towers nicely. Personally I would rate what I have heard as SVS>HSU>Rythmik as far as total bass performance with HSU on top with consideration to value for money. This is my personal opinion with a bias toward home theater use as these were all ported subs. My HSU has a variable design that allows me to plug the ports for a tighter response geared for music but I usually run them open for deeper, louder bass required for home theater. I saw the recommendation for the BK Monolith and had to look them up as I am not familiar with them. Looks good! There is another "Monolith" to consider as well - the recently launched Monolith subs from Monoprice that have received some very rave reviews:https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24458&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7ey1hIOS2gIV3ISzCh3nCAJrEAQYASABEgL2i_D_BwE Again, I am not sure they are available in Sweden but if they are you can add them to your list... usc95's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
slartibartfast wrote: > These seem to get good reviews. > https://www.bkelec.com > > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk I personally have a BK sub and wouldn't want to miss it for the world. I have the Monolith+ FF. Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Kitchen: iPhone 5s + iPeng (local playback activated) + NAD 312 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 Headphone (cozy corner): Lenovo T550 + Squeezelite-X + Cyrus Soundkey + Topping A30 + Focal Elear Car: TBC ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
What about Rythmik subs ? Anyone has any experience. And again thanks for the suggestions.:) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
I have a PSB. Subs ultimately are just frequency fillers. Under 80Hz you have no clue where stuff comes from. I just look for a very solid chassis and the promise of accuracy in setting the cutoff frequency. I also would never ever allow my speakers to be fed off the sub. Direct off the preamp/DAC, please. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
To be fair I have a pair of fairly beefy three-way floorstanding b&w 804s being driven by a Naim amplifier, so they are pretty well extended anyway and I don't feel the need for a sub even for movies (the room is not very big either). Clearly deep bass is pretty important for my enjoyment of music too (analogue synths generated a lot of it). Movies do get the audigy room correction applied though I bypass the AV amp for music. I don't enjoy good music any less on other smaller systems around the house though I would say listening is much less critical on those. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Context for you all. I have the small Meridian actives they clearly likes being offloaded from bass duties. Much music do have subsonic content , once you heard it you cant be without it :) I have a wide music taste. This is also my HT setup. I also listen to multichannel music and uses some of Meridians emulated mch modes. Back ch is even smaller than the fronts. Active room compensation helps a lot this kond of deep bass can be more of a nuisance if cant controll it ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Music has very little below 35-40hz anyway, and although it's certainly true that there is stuff missing (in some recordings) without a full frequency response it is very much unnecessary for conveying the enjoyment and energy of most types of music. Truth is a lot of people prefer vinyl because it has a big fat slow bass to it that flows and flatters the sound, much like using small speakers that use resonance in their bass output to fill the gaps in their natural frequency response. Ironic that people spend so much money on high end equipment to tighten up the bass response and avoid this, then buy subs or play LPs to put it back again! :) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
drmatt wrote: > Do audiophiles buy subs then? I thought the hard core audiophile > wouldn't trust third party amplification for any part of their playback > frequency range > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Actually I sold my sub - better without IMO. If I ever move into a bigger space (unlikely) then I'll just buy bigger active ATCs. Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
slartibartfast wrote: > These seem to get good reviews. > https://www.bkelec.com > > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Thanks forgot those guys , the where oem's for REL in the past . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Anyone bougth HSU in Europe at all BTW ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
drmatt wrote: > Do audiophiles buy subs then? I thought the hard core audiophile > wouldn't trust third party amplification for any part of their playback > frequency range > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Don't know but i think my audiophile card is revoked :D Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Do audiophiles buy subs then? I thought the hard core audiophile wouldn't trust third party amplification for any part of their playback frequency range -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
These seem to get good reviews. https://www.bkelec.com Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
REL and SVS are aviable in Sweden . I could go to REL directly but the company restructured and shift owners 2 times since thier original series of subs so its really not the same but new REL could be amazing too :) I can go and listen to REL in a nearby town. SVS subs is interesting due to very flexible eq and setup options boundary filters et al. One of thier closed box subs ? I have room eq already in my Meridian processor. Are specialist sub mfg the way to go ? All speaker brands offers subs but many just seems decor matched to thier 5.1 offerings ? Contradict me with a serious sub done by a normal speaker brand :) I tested a velodyne 15 years ago did not like that then ? Have they improved. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Another REL. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Here is the link for SVS on Amazon UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_3/260-4770969-9091317?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=svs+subwoofer&sprefix=svs%2Caps%2C890&crid=2S4FSOALSXUGA usc95's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
