Re: [backstage] expired content
Dead cat bounce. Sent from my iPhone, so if the spelling or grammar look weird know that I meant well. On 4 Apr 2013, at 21:26, "adrian legg" mailto:pend...@gmail.com>> wrote: wooo backstage! It lives... On 4 April 2013 15:42, Michael Smethurst mailto:michael.smethu...@bbc.co.uk>> wrote: Hello Elias (and hello again backstage!) Episode xml doesn't really give much in the way of availability windows If you look in the episode xml you'll see a versions element like: b01rryyq 2700 Original version p0172ztm 2700 Dubbed Audio Described Each of the versions carries separate ondemand availability so http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rryyq.xml Has an availability element with availabilities listed like 2013-03-30T19:00:00Z 2013-04-06T19:59:00+01:00 p0172c5d 2013-03-30T12:09:42Z Hth michael On 04/04/2013 15:19, "Elias Häggkvist" mailto:elias.haggkv...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have problems finding out if content is expired. Comparing the two xml's below I have not been able to identify any parameter that tells that the later is expired and no longer available ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rryzz.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011gpsb.xml Any suggestions on how to find out if a programe-ID is expired would be appreciated. Kind regards Elias http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -
Re: [backstage] Generation of /programmes XML changed?
Unlikely you'll get a definitive answer paul. I think the team are not focussed on these open tech channels, and mood music is not good for ongoing support via this list, sorry. I can say there is no obvious change done here that has led to this, but since it doesn't materially affect one of the "products" I doubt there will be further probing. This email is sent on a purely personal capacity. I don't work in the area involved, just like all that backstage stood for. An old hippy at heart, Ant Paul Webster wrote: >Hmmm ... if I modify my script to always give a user-agent something like >"Mozilla/5.0" then it always works. >If I don't (so it goes out with a user-agent something like ... Lynx) then >sometimes I do not get the correct opening >section of the XML. > >Paul Webster > >On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:03:54 +0100, you wrote: > >>I'm not certain of this one yet - but from some overnight error messages on >>my system it looks like the /programmes XML >>generator is sometimes not including the section that >>usually appears near the start. >> >>Usually starts something like this: >> >> >> >>BBC Radio Manchester >> >>but I had some arrive without the section. >> >>I need to do some more investigation to be sure - bubt maybe someone at BBC >>would know if there have been recent changes >>that could effect URLs like this >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radiomanchester/programmes/schedules/2012/07/05.xml >>(note - it doesn't happen all of the time) >> >>Paul Webster >> >>- >>Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >>visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >>Unofficial list archive: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > >- >Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Brighton Mini Maker Faire (and other Digital Festival Events)
Hello all, This is me as a non-BBC person for the moment- next weekend is the the first Brighton Mini Maker Faire http://on.fb.me/MakerFaireBTN ( http://www.makerfairebrighton.com/ for those of you with an aversion to the use of Facebook- it is a very handy platform for these public things though!). It's just what you'd expect from a Brighton celebration of technical creativity, with everything from underwater robots to silk origami classes, plus the obligatory Arduino powered automatic ukelele. And after the fun at the Dome, there's even an after party, with live music from distinctly hackery musicians! http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=145777618832903 ( http://www.makerfairebrighton.com/2011/08/29/play-an-evening-of-maker-musicians-at-the-after-show-party/) NOTA BENE: The event is at the Brunswick, Holland Road, not the Caroline of Brunswick. If you can help us spread the word about this fist of what we hope will be many events, you could even win a copy of the latest Make Magazine- yes, I am spamming you and bribing you! http://www.makerfairebrighton.com/2011/08/22/make-magazine-twitter-competition/ All this is part of the fabulous Brighton Digital Festival http://brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/which runs throughout September, and includes such favourites as the evergreen dConstruct conference http://2011.dconstruct.org/, the original Geekest Link Quiz at the Caroline of Brunswick http://www.carolineofbrunswick.co.uk/ and the 6th Barcamp Brighton http://2011.barcampbrighton.org/. Hope you can join us for some if not al of these brilliant events, and if you can spread the word too that would be superb. Sadly I shan't see you there if you do make it- badly wrecked my neck a few weeks back and will be completely immobile until an op later this month- gory details at my blog http://reithian.blogspot.com/. Cheers all, and sorry for the spam (though it's more public info really, you know, all good fun) Ant -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com @meeware http://reithian.blogspot.com/
Re: [backstage] Ping...
Well I'm still in BBC R&D, trying to get a few loose ends tied up from the backstage days including this Dev Net thing. We're also still going strong on the technical outreach scheme, this year sending teams to the Newcastle maker Faire and the Big Bang Science Faire in London. With a non-BBC hat on I'm helping to organise the first UK Mini Maker Faire in Brighton on the 3rd of September. Should be a cracking day, so do visit, and if you'd like to find out more about joining in as a 'Maker' take a look at the website: http://www.makerfairebrighton.com/. ant On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Mo McRoberts wrote: > > On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:48, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > > > I ended up stealing Mo's ideas about open source broadcast*, having read > about them on this list, and am now working to get a similar concept** > production ready and deployed at well known names in the US and Europe.. > > ...which is splendid, by the way — you've seem to have been able to put > *far* more effort into OBE than I could ever have hoped to with txsuite. > > (I've been watching the activity logs, albeit very quietly, it's looking > very good) > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Ping...
Anyone really need a further explanation of that? I can do one, but it would mean pulling onthe BBC hat, and it's a bit dull for a friday. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Scott Wilcox wrote: > and I'd be asking why the traffic RSS feeds no longer work! > > On 3 Jun 2011, at 16:49, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > On 3 June 2011 16:21, Ant Miller wrote: > >> And to think people ask me why this list has gone quiet.. >> > > True. > > If the list was really being used I would be asking why the BBC News > Android app doesn't work on Ice Cream Sandwich tablet... > > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk >> [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ben Weiner >> Sent: 03 June 2011 14:08 >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [backstage] Ping... >> >> >> On 3 Jun 2011, at 13:53, Brian Butterworth wrote: >> >> > >> > On 3 June 2011 08:54, Ben Weiner wrote: >> > On 3 Jun 2011, at 08:00, Richard Lockwood wrote: >> > >> > >>>> I had got used to Chrome doing my spell checking (but no grammar >> > >>>> check as yet...) and I've just got myself an Asus Transfomer with >> >> > >>>> a fresh helping of Android Ice Cream Sandwich and .. no spell >> checker in the browser. >> > >>> >> > >>> The check's in the post. >> > >> >> > >> Cheque, surely? >> > >>> >> > > >> > > Do you need a spell chequer? >> > >> > >> > A post-chequer, or better an ex-chequer, would fit the bill. >> > >> > Perhaps I need to check my Czech cheque? >> >> A small change may be needed. >> >> Ben >> >> -- >> >> Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html >> +44 (0) 7780 608 659 >> >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > > -- > Scott Wilcox > > @dordotky | sc...@dor.ky | http://dor.ky > +44 (0) 7538 842418 | +1 (646) 827-0580 > > > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] Ping...
And to think people ask me why this list has gone quiet.. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ben Weiner Sent: 03 June 2011 14:08 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Ping... On 3 Jun 2011, at 13:53, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > On 3 June 2011 08:54, Ben Weiner wrote: > On 3 Jun 2011, at 08:00, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > I had got used to Chrome doing my spell checking (but no grammar > check as yet...) and I've just got myself an Asus Transfomer with > a fresh helping of Android Ice Cream Sandwich and .. no spell checker in the browser. > >>> > >>> The check's in the post. > >> > >> Cheque, surely? > >>> > > > > Do you need a spell chequer? > > > A post-chequer, or better an ex-chequer, would fit the bill. > > Perhaps I need to check my Czech cheque? A small change may be needed. Ben -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ping...
If the porcine artillery chief is against a web forum, then a web forum it ain't. a On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 07:01:18PM +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: > > Please let it not be a web based forum. > > Ugh. > > ~shudder~ > > [ O, HAI. ] > > -- > If you see a long line of rats streaming off of a ship, the correct > assumption is not "Gosh, I bet that's a real nice boat now that those > rats are gone". >-- Mike Sphar > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Ping...
It's a real world thing first off, then we figure what tools make sense to support it. Of course, if there's a strong community on a pre-existing platform or channel we could probably just plug into that. Might be some web stuff too though, it is VERY portable and accesible to a lot of people, a On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Scot McSweeney-Roberts < bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 18:35, Ben Weiner wrote: > > > What benefits will be brought by a developer network over this fine and > venerable list: a lick of paint and ... ? ;-) > > > > Please let it not be a web based forum. > > > > Scot > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Ping...
There's a team in Biz Dev at the BBC who's job it is to get iPlayer on the most platforms possible, and though I can't make any promises on how high up the priority list Maemo is, I can always forward on a well scoped proposal. a On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Alex Cockell wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 18:16 +0100, Ant Miller wrote: > > Oh hai, yes, we're still here. Backstage per se isn't though. Much > > activity at the moment getting a developer network set up and we hope > > that'll have a connection to this community soon. Fingers crossed, > > Cool - just to give you a headsup, there's a desire in the Maemo > community to see about getting an iPlayer client developed for the Nokia > N900... independently. Kinda based on CuteTube... if there are any > plans for open API support to be added.. it would be good to hear.. > > > > > > -- > Alex Cockell > a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Ping...
The hope is that a proper BBC dev net will give a better means of coordinating effort with other dev nets (Guardian, Google etc) and we can build on that collaboration to offer the external independant developers and hackers a much better service. a On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ben Weiner wrote: > Hi, > > On 2 Jun 2011, at 18:16, Ant Miller wrote: > > > Oh hai, yes, we're still here. Backstage per se isn't though. Much > activity at the moment getting a developer network set up and we hope > that'll have a connection to this community soon. Fingers crossed, > > What benefits will be brought by a developer network over this fine and > venerable list: a lick of paint and ... ? ;-) > > Ben > > -- > > Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html > +44 (0) 7780 608 659 > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Ping...
Oh hai, yes, we're still here. Backstage per se isn't though. Much activity at the moment getting a developer network set up and we hope that'll have a connection to this community soon. Fingers crossed, a On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Richard P Edwards wrote: > Good to see ... > > On 2 Jun 2011, at 18:32, david.ho...@nokia.com wrote: > > I'm here! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: >> owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of ext Christopher Woods >> Sent: 02 June 2011 17:00 >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk >> Subject: [backstage] Ping... >> >> Is this list still alive? >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] A familiar face...
Back in the day we used to have photocopies sheets with the areas listed and you'd jot in the forecast off the radio. I have just recalled that day was 20 years ago. Bugger. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Gareth Davis wrote: > > If I'm out on the water I'd listen via the coastguard MSI bulletin on > VHF, rather than tune in to Radio 4. But it's still the shipping > forecast either way. > > > -Original Message- > > From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk > > [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Scott > > Sent: 18 May 2011 15:00 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [backstage] A familiar face... > > > > Every boat I've be a crew on always tunes in. Although the > > 1979 Fastnet Race is often mentioned... > > Tom > > > > > > On 18/05/2011 14:35, "Dirk-Willem van Gulik" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 18 May 2011, at 14:23, Robert Binney wrote: > > > > > >> I have been told that "no sailors listen to the Shipping > > Forecast" - > > >> can this be true? > > > > > > Well - if you have the money (and enough battery power and ample of > > > pricey thermal paper) - you get it off your navtex(1) or from the > > > met-office feed of immarsat(2). But I've found myself in a > > situation > > > more than once where knowing that you could be having _reliable_ > > > warnings with just a simple battery & radio independent of > > it all was very reassuring. > > > > > > Dw. > > > > > > 1: > > > > > http://www.frisnit.com/cgi-bin/navtex/view.cgi?NAVAREA=1&action=browse > > > &TYPE=24 > > > H - the MET ones. > > > 2: http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/shtml/UKMHSFAT > > > > > > > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > > unsubscribe, please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] BBC TPEG feeds - oddities?
Hi Chris, There are changes underway with the TPEG feeds but so far as we are aware there's no specific management of access from individual IPs, at least not intentionally. I've passed your enquiry to the migration team and they should have a little more information soon. The overall availability will be reduced in the coming days, Ant -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Chris Northwood Sent: 08 March 2011 12:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC TPEG feeds - oddities? Hi there, So, I'm a bit confused at the moment with the state of the TPEG travel news feeds that are being provided by the BBC. I notice there's been some changes, but I'm not sure exactly what. I'm also seeing some very odd behaviour from the BBC site depending on what IP I access the feed from. >From my PC: I run: wget http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/tpeg/en/local/rtm/oxford_tpeg.xml and get what looks like what I want, an XML document with up-to-date travel alerts in 2011-03-08 12:33:40 (2.24 MB/s) - `oxford_tpeg.xml' saved [30469/30469] However, on the webserver, SSH'd in, I run exactly the same wget command: and get a considerably shorter file back: 2011-03-08 12:26:16 (216 MB/s) - `oxford_tpeg.xml' saved [1798/1798] Which contains only the "From 6 March 2011, we will be discontinuing access"... message So, I'm completely foxed with what's going on here - has our webserver been blacklisted from the TPEG feeds or something? :S Regards, Chris Northwood, Web Developer (Mobile Oxford) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] FW: Draft of email to backstage list
Dear all, We need to bring you up to date with developments with one of the feeds that BBC Backstage introduced to the community. The BBC travel data RSS and tpegML feeds were highlighted by us some years ago, but it's about to change for mainly technical reasons, and any services dependent upon it will need to find alternative data supplies. There's a complex context to these feeds. It's not owned by Backstage, as you'll be aware. It comes from the News area of the BBC, the English Regions team in Birmingham actually. They buy it in (under licence) from a commercial 3rd-party supplier, Trafficlink Limited. It was via these terms that Backstage were able to offer the feed to our members through the standard Backstage terms and conditions - i.e. personal, non-commercial use. However, at the same time, for unconnected reasons, the actual technical platform that the current feeds come from is changing. This is down to a number of essential reasons - you'll understand that BBC sites need better, more scalable and supportable platforms. In redesigning the Travel News site the feeds used are changing, and the RSS and tpegML feeds that you've been able to point to won't be there any more, as that system is being decommissioned. We probably should have made this clearer sooner. We've migrated a lot of Backstage, closed off some, but in the midst of this process we haven't given you, the Journalism team or Trafficlink the information you needed to see this change coming, and if we had, perhaps some of the tension of recent weeks wouldn't have been so strident. We're sorry. Now that the migration of feeds is done the support information will be available at http://support.bbc.co.uk/platform/feeds/TravelFeeds.htm Ant ___ Ant Miller, Senior Research Manager mobile: +44 (0)7809 597757 BBC Research & Development Technology Transfer, External Communications South Lab, BBC Centre House 56 Wood Lane London W12 7SB http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/rd/ http://www.bbcarchive.org.uk/pmwiki/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Hacking the BBC: The Backstage Retrospective
The last half decade of work by the people who have worked on and supported BBC Backstage have been recognised in a especially commissioned ebook. This marks the conclusion of backstage as an active project for us here in R&D, but it's not by any means the end of the journey. As the servers go dark and the feeds are migrated, we'll see a new public facing site appear to support developers outside the BBC, and the ground work set out by R&D's project to foster Open Data will become 'business as usual'. In the next day or so there will be a blog post on the R&D Blog flagging this transition, and we hope an interview in the press too, but to take a look at 'Hacking the BBC' now go to http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/. I'd like to offer a personal thanks to everyone we've worked with over these last five years- you really are too many to mention, but I think special thanks go to Ben Metcalfe, Tom Loosemoore, Tom Coates, Matthew Cashmore, Dave Crossland, Matt Locke, Adrian Woolard, Brendan Crowther, Suw Charman-Anderson, Rain Ashford, James Boardwell, and Ian Forrester, and many many more. When the blog posts go up we'd be delighted to hear more of your feedback, and of course do let us know what we have forgotten. The ebook was written and edited by Suw and by Jim McLennan, and illustrated wonderfully by Nicola Rowlands, with a foreword by Bill Thompson- we thinks it's a really special record of the tremendous idea that was, and is, Backstage, and we hope you like it too, Best wishes for 2011 from all the Backstage alumni Don't be strangers! Ant P.S. These lists will remain open for as long as you guys want them too. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
Hi Arati, If you'd like to drop me an email with a specific BBC contact query, I'll do what i can to help. I'll need details though, about who you are, what you want, and who you'd like to talk to. This is a big organisation, and it's not always easy to put the right people in touch, Thanks, Ant Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: arati dwivedi Sent: 28 November 2010 15:15 To: backstage Subject: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if.. can you tell me who are the wanders for documentary in BBC channel ? regards arati On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:46:04 +0530 Ant Miller wrote >From Roderick Hodgson in R&D who is now actively hacking this platform (mostly in spare time, though we may have somethig for either Big Bang or Maker Faire): > >http://ww w.adafruit.com/blog/2010/11/14/hacked-kinect-is-now-a-3d-video-capture-tool/ >http://digitizor.com/2010/11/15/hacked-kinect-brings-futuristic-user-interface/ >http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/11/kinect-running-on-multiple-platforms-looking-cool/ > > >On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetw...@btinternet.com> wrote: >ifixit teardown > >http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft-Kinect-Teardown/4066/1 > >~:" > >On 18 Nov 2010, at 15:22, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > >...all this bumpf about how fancy they are[0] is just a load bollocks. > >I am wondering if them Kinect things are really working a lot simpler; and after waking up in the middle of a shower am now postulating that: > >1. They have a simple static laser interference pattern (e.g. akin to [1] or those > star projectors you can buy from street vendors). > >2. However this one is very very fine and nicely randomish. i.e. dots less than a few > mm appart. > >3. They use a crappy low resolution normal monochrome web cam; with a black bit of glass so > only IR gets let through. > >4. They simply pass the image of this camera back. > >The reason that this works is that every 'pixel' at CCD level for distances of working range will have 1 to 100 or so 'tiny dots' on it - depending on the distance it is at. Which is why we have roughly the range we get; why we have such a near perfect 1/sigma callibration curve and why the range of values you get it so odd - and why they filter certain types of noise so badly. > >And perhaps, perhaps: > >5. They do a phase locked loop amplifier loop in software by flashing the projector. > >But I doubt that given the noise/error artifacts. > >And that is really all there is to it. Anyone here with a good high-res SRL which can do enough IR detection to check if indeed this is the case ? I guess a fun test would be to use a mirror to project a few extra pixels onto a flat area - and see if that area suddenly jumps 'forward'. > >Thanks, > >Dw > > >0: http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/11/features/the-game-changer and all the mystification on how they work. >1:http://www.zimbio.com/Popular+Topics+in+Astronomy/articles/vnjstT2fTM2/Green+30mw+Laser+Pointer+Pen+Style+Star+Holographic >- >Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > >- >Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > >-- >Ant Miller > >tel: 07709 265961 >email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google instant preview shows BBC adverts in the UK
How odd. Are they caching US or other non-uk based spaider results in UK image results? a On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Brian Butterworth wrote: > Just a bit of fun > > 1) Do a Google search for BBC news: > > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bbc+news&qscrl=1#hl=en&qscrl=1&q=+site:bbc.co.uk+bbc+news&sa=X&ei=O9jgTMLdOsiohAfl-ejIDQ&ved=0CCkQrAM&fp=8f1d46c8b6218159 > > 2) Click on the "image preview" icon for "BBC News - World" or "BBC News - > UK". > > 3) View the adverts > > -- > > > Brian Butterworth > > follow me on twitter: @briantist <http://twitter.com/briantist> > web: ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and > switchover advice, since 2002 > ` > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
Erm, a more 'artistic' use of Kinect http://blogs.msdn.com/b/stevecla01/archive/2010/11/24/kinect-dancing-wit h-invisible-light.aspx (marginally NSFW!) a -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dirk-Willem van Gulik Sent: 18 November 2010 18:08 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if.. On 18 Nov 2010, at 17:12, Ant Miller wrote: > From Roderick Hodgson in R&D who is now actively hacking this platform (mostly in spare time, though we may have somethig for either Big Bang or Maker Faire): > Aye - has kept me up all night. Wonderfuly easy to do things like 3D ing a room or object - or even have clay or video you can grab in the air and the playdough into shape. Dw. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
Another quick update in Kinect land- turns out MS are actually pretty sanguine about hackery now, after some early blowhard lawyerisation: http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/20/microsoft-im-a-pc-and-kinect-open-source-drivers-were-my-idea/ On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Ant Miller wrote: > London. > > However, we plan to base support fir maker faire in the R&D north lab, so > there will be sessions up there before too long. > > a > > (out of the office, but still on email.) > > -Original Message- > From: Tim Dobson > Sent: 19 November 2010 01:15 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Cc: Ant Miller > Subject: Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if.. > > On 18/11/10 23:47, Ant Miller wrote: > > We're having a meeting next week to discuss hack demos for the maker > faire and big bang science fair in march next year, and kinect and similar > are certainly on the agenda. Anyone who fancies joining in, BBC or > external, is welcome to drop me a line, > > Any idea, geographically, where the meeting is likely to be? :) > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance > on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
London. However, we plan to base support fir maker faire in the R&D north lab, so there will be sessions up there before too long. a (out of the office, but still on email.) -Original Message- From: Tim Dobson Sent: 19 November 2010 01:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Ant Miller Subject: Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if.. On 18/11/10 23:47, Ant Miller wrote: > We're having a meeting next week to discuss hack demos for the maker faire > and big bang science fair in march next year, and kinect and similar are > certainly on the agenda. Anyone who fancies joining in, BBC or external, is > welcome to drop me a line, Any idea, geographically, where the meeting is likely to be? :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
We're having a meeting next week to discuss hack demos for the maker faire and big bang science fair in march next year, and kinect and similar are certainly on the agenda. Anyone who fancies joining in, BBC or external, is welcome to drop me a line, ant (out of the office, but still on email.) -Original Message- From: Mo McRoberts Sent: 18 November 2010 21:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if.. On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 15:22, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > And that is really all there is to it. Anyone here with a good high-res SRL > which can do enough IR detection to check if indeed this is the case ? I > guess a fun test would be to use a mirror to project a few extra pixels onto > a flat area - and see if that area suddenly jumps 'forward'. It's not far off. Hunt on YouTube for the terms "Kinect" and "IR' :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Kinect.. what if..
>From Roderick Hodgson in R&D who is now actively hacking this platform (mostly in spare time, though we may have somethig for either Big Bang or Maker Faire): http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/11/14/hacked-kinect-is-now-a-3d-video-capture-tool/ http://digitizor.com/2010/11/15/hacked-kinect-brings-futuristic-user-interface/ http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/11/kinect-running-on-multiple-platforms-looking-cool/ On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Jonathan Chetwynd < j.chetw...@btinternet.com> wrote: > ifixit teardown > > http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft-Kinect-Teardown/4066/1 > > ~:" > > > On 18 Nov 2010, at 15:22, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > > ...all this bumpf about how fancy they are[0] is just a load bollocks. >> >> I am wondering if them Kinect things are really working a lot simpler; and >> after waking up in the middle of a shower am now postulating that: >> >> 1. They have a simple static laser interference pattern (e.g. akin to >> [1] or those >>star projectors you can buy from street vendors). >> >> 2. However this one is very very fine and nicely randomish. i.e. dots >> less than a few >>mm appart. >> >> 3. They use a crappy low resolution normal monochrome web cam; with a >> black bit of glass so >>only IR gets let through. >> >> 4. They simply pass the image of this camera back. >> >> The reason that this works is that every 'pixel' at CCD level for >> distances of working range will have 1 to 100 or so 'tiny dots' on it - >> depending on the distance it is at. Which is why we have roughly the range >> we get; why we have such a near perfect 1/sigma callibration curve and why >> the range of values you get it so odd - and why they filter certain types of >> noise so badly. >> >> And perhaps, perhaps: >> >> 5. They do a phase locked loop amplifier loop in software by flashing >> the projector. >> >> But I doubt that given the noise/error artifacts. >> >> And that is really all there is to it. Anyone here with a good high-res >> SRL which can do enough IR detection to check if indeed this is the case ? I >> guess a fun test would be to use a mirror to project a few extra pixels onto >> a flat area - and see if that area suddenly jumps 'forward'. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dw >> >> >> 0: >> http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/11/features/the-game-changerand >> all the mystification on how they work. >> 1: >> http://www.zimbio.com/Popular+Topics+in+Astronomy/articles/vnjstT2fTM2/Green+30mw+Laser+Pointer+Pen+Style+Star+Holographic >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] George Wright / Twitter Chat / Head of Prototyping / Internet Week
Cool! Will tweet from @bbcrd. we're keen for more followers there too! Ant (out of the office, but still on email.) -Original Message- From: Jeremy Stone Sent: 10 November 2010 20:34 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] George Wright / Twitter Chat / Head of Prototyping / Internet Week Sorry to spam list ! Hope this is relevant: Thought list might be interested to know that tomorrow lunchtime; George Wright; the BBC's Head of Prototyping will be answering questions for an hour via Twitter about his teams' work building demos, services and prototypes for the BBC's Research and Development dept. This is part of a series of events for Internet Week Europe and the BBC that i've been helping out with: (http://www.internetweekeurope.com/ ) George and his team are of course, no strangers to this list but for a good round up of what their work entails then see their now lengthy collection of weeknotes : http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/prototyping-weeknotes/ or see George's bio on the R&D site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/about/george_wright.shtml Subjects that might come up are up to you but i expect they could include: HTML5, P2P Next: http://www.p2p-next.org/ , Radio DNS, their work with Autumnwatch/2screen, and Twitter itself : http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/2010/07/zeitgeist-the-most-shared-bbc.shtml To take part : then tag your queries #bbciweek or #iweu BBC prototyping is @bbcprototyping and George Wright is @georgie on Twitter. I'm @jemstone The chat starts at 1pm until 2pm... thanks Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
Not really- we use the iplayer backend to provide the embeddable media player to stick in Movable type. The UI for the ingest makes clear that this content is going into iPlayer, and various metadata elements are assigned so that it is associated as a 'non-scheduled' element. It's a bit strange tbh, and soetimes we wonder if it wouldn't be easier to use vimeo or youtube, but the business processes around uploading to those channels are far more complex and require more sign off, so out of time constraints I stick with iPlayer embedded media player. One of these days I'll get around to wider publication. a -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ben Weiner Sent: 10 November 2010 11:03 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions On 10 Nov 2010, at 10:42, Ant Miller wrote: > There is content in iPlayer that's never been broadcast or scheduled- > our R&D videos for instance. And is easy to find? -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
There is content in iPlayer that's never been broadcast or scheduled- our R&D videos for instance. a -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ben Weiner Sent: 10 November 2010 10:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions On 10 Nov 2010, at 09:49, Geoff Hogg wrote: > Or even have an iPlayer channel for programmes that haven't been > broadcast at all? +1 [tempted to undermine with a facile suggestion about a channel for programmes that do not exist, but I won't do that] -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Retrospective #1
Over at the Backstage blog Brendan has posted the first of the restrospective extracts we had produced. Eventually these will appear in an e-book (and some may even be popping up in another publication tbc), but for now, the first of the remembrances of hacks past is to be found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcbackstage/2010/11/backstage-the-beginning. shtml Cheers A
backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
I'll stick around, and I doubt you've actually seen the last of Ian. Backstage won't be his day job, but the principles that have brought this community together remain dear to him and many others round here, a On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Alex Cockell wrote: > ... I know that the friends list will still be here, but would there be a > back door into r&d people like this list? I hope there would be... Cos it's > been fun, and productive. > > Oh... Also, is there any update about getting the n900 whitelisted for the > mobile iplayer site? Just wondering... > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] Test
The internets are full of comedic giants tonight. a -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 21 October 2010 18:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Test On 21-Oct-2010, at 18:25, Ant Miller wrote: > test syntax error. redo from start. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage- End of an Era
About that engag thing. It's purely consensual. a (one of the day's many facepalms) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ant Miller wrote: > Hi all, > > I know quite a few of you have heard the Guardian Tech Weekly podcast of > last week, and in particular the bit where Jemima says that Backstage is > being wound up. In essence she was correct, but clearly we'd like to > have made the announcement ourselves, so there will be an official > announcement from Adrian Woolard on the Backstage blog in the next day > or so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcbackstage/ > > As Jemima suggested, we are trying to avoid the project grinding to a > dead stop, and we've been working hard to have elements such as data > feeds and API's integrated into the BBC's core business. Other > elements, such as the support which we give to the community that uses > this forum, plus some internal functions which the project performed, > are also being transformed. > > We're stepping up the efforts to make sure Backstage finishes properly, > and we also need all of your help to make sure that the legacy of this > effort is as successful as possible. Over the coming weeks we are going > to try and find a way to take the best of the Backstage community into a > larger grouping. We want to maintain a sustainable way to support you, > and engag with you, but it seems odd to balkanise this community into > small specific groups, when the real strength of open development is the > aggregation of multiple platforms, data sources and pulling all of the > above together to make new applications and services based around the > users. So, we're going to see what we can set up that's better for you, > and, by extension, for us. > > This is a community though, and a vocal one at that, so please do let us > know how you feel about this. What have we missed, how can we do it > better, what opportunities do you think we can take but may have > overlooked? For the moment we will continue to support this mailing > list, and we'll probably pop into the "friends of" now and again if > we're welcome too. > > Thanks for your support, and sincere apologies that you've heard it > first second hand, > > Ant > > > ___ > > > Ant Miller, Senior Research Manager > > mobile: +44 (0)7809 597757 > BBC Research & Development > South Lab, BBC Centre House > 56 Wood Lane > London > W12 7SB > http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/rd/ > http://www.bbcarchive.org.uk/pmwiki/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] Backstage- End of an Era
Hi all, I know quite a few of you have heard the Guardian Tech Weekly podcast of last week, and in particular the bit where Jemima says that Backstage is being wound up. In essence she was correct, but clearly we'd like to have made the announcement ourselves, so there will be an official announcement from Adrian Woolard on the Backstage blog in the next day or so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcbackstage/ As Jemima suggested, we are trying to avoid the project grinding to a dead stop, and we've been working hard to have elements such as data feeds and API's integrated into the BBC's core business. Other elements, such as the support which we give to the community that uses this forum, plus some internal functions which the project performed, are also being transformed. We're stepping up the efforts to make sure Backstage finishes properly, and we also need all of your help to make sure that the legacy of this effort is as successful as possible. Over the coming weeks we are going to try and find a way to take the best of the Backstage community into a larger grouping. We want to maintain a sustainable way to support you, and engag with you, but it seems odd to balkanise this community into small specific groups, when the real strength of open development is the aggregation of multiple platforms, data sources and pulling all of the above together to make new applications and services based around the users. So, we're going to see what we can set up that's better for you, and, by extension, for us. This is a community though, and a vocal one at that, so please do let us know how you feel about this. What have we missed, how can we do it better, what opportunities do you think we can take but may have overlooked? For the moment we will continue to support this mailing list, and we'll probably pop into the "friends of" now and again if we're welcome too. Thanks for your support, and sincere apologies that you've heard it first second hand, Ant ___ Ant Miller, Senior Research Manager mobile: +44 (0)7809 597757 BBC Research & Development South Lab, BBC Centre House 56 Wood Lane London W12 7SB http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/rd/ http://www.bbcarchive.org.uk/pmwiki/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Test
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RE: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
Not that I would ever dissuade someone from exercising their democratic rights, but an foi for a technical api is unlikely to get results. There is an effort underway to make the provision of such data more accessible, but don't hold your breath- this is a particularly difficult process given the mix of parties involved, the issue of partners, and the governance of services. We will share progress with this list when we can. An foi won't help us do that. And i doubt it'll help you. Then again, I've been wrong before. ant Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Andy Sent: 28 September 2010 18:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content On 28 September 2010 12:47, Ant Miller wrote: > Can you give me a pointer to the blog post please? There have been some > discussions around APIs, but I can't be sure which one you're thinking of, This blog post <http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/11/bbc_iplayer_standard_products.html> ( http://tinyurl.com/yhanpx8 ) makes reference to defining an API for accessing media resources by third parties. It is nearly a year old though. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alex Cockell wrote: > Anyone heard whether this api is to be made open? Also whether it might be > straight H264 and aac? Just that I would like to be able to watch content on > my 900 again... You can probably make a "Freedom of Information" request for the API, either via http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/new/32 or directly to the BBC via: f...@bbc.co.uk The BBC may refuse it but must specify a reason, except in specific circumstances. > Is the bbc starting to see sense? We can hope, but I wouldn't recommend holding your breath. Andy -- $ fortune bug, n: A son of a glitch. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
Hi Alex, Can you give me a pointer to the blog post please? There have been some discussions around APIs, but I can't be sure which one you're thinking of, a On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alex Cockell wrote: > Hi all, > > There was comment on a recently highlghted blog entry which was talking > about all the multiple onboard players that abount on different tv devices. > Mention was made of a media API. > > Anyone heard whether this api is to be made open? Also whether it might be > straight H264 and aac? Just that I would like to be able to watch content on > my 900 again... > > Is the bbc starting to see sense? > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] I am trying to subscribe to the backstage-dev list and having no joy.
Hi Alex, I'll try and see if we can get this up again. can't make any guaruntees though- we're in the midst of a migration process right now, and restarting of some services will have to wait for hardware. Ant Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Alex Cockell Sent: 28 September 2010 07:07 To: BBC Backstage ; postmas...@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] I am trying to subscribe to the backstage-dev list and having no joy. Hi folks, Could someone have a word with the admins of the Backstage Devs list - unless it's been taken offline? I tried subscribing according to the instructions here - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html - -New Backstage Dev list... And this is what I got... -- This message shows the result of status of your request to subscribe, unsubscribe, or alter your subscription to one of the BBC's mailing lists. subscribe backstage-developer a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk subscribe: unknown list 'backstage-developer'. Help for majord...@lists.bbc.co.uk: Please could one of the admins of that list intervene? Thanks, -- Alex Cockell Reading, Berks, UK a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':
Ah, I stand corrected (or clarrified)- the JV is Not For Profit. Not a charrity though. And they will have paid someone to make content for their website so (for instance) we needn't expect images of DR Who used to be considered fully rights free. a On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Ant Miller wrote: > Um, it's not weview, it's YouView, (though no, I'm no fan of the name or > the branding) and copyright for content of a website is usually vested in > the website owner- I'd doubt you'd find much different on most commercial > company web sites, and YouView is a commercial joint venture (albeit with a > PSB partner). Your points regarding the marketing spend are open to debate, > butif this is going to be a success and bring IP TV to most UK livingrooms > then yeah, it will need selling. A good idea won't sell itself. > > > a > > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Christopher Woods < > chris...@infinitus.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> >> Yeah, and I *love* the way that the jv is kicking the foss community in >> the teeth over t&c... >> >> The least they could do is give something back! Actually, correct me if >> I'm wrong, but haven't they got to make the source code available? >> >> I've already been on the phone to them about possibly opening the stack so >> homebrew kit could receive and make use of the environment... The foss >> community could even help. >> >> This bit? >> >> "All copyright, trade marks, design rights, patents and other intellectual >> property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on YouView.com and >> YouView Content belong to YouView and/or YouView’s licensors. Please respect >> copyright." >> >> If they intend for that to cover the entirety of FOSS contribs, that's >> particularly cold. Not a fan of what's being done there at all. >> >> What I dislike almost as much is this revelation in that previously linked >> article: >> >> "The seven partners in the project have each committed to contribute £4.5 >> million per year over the next four years to fund the platform, much of >> which will be spent on marketing." >> >> It doesn't need marketing to death, it needs a rock solid, intelligently >> designed and truly innovative UI and 'experience' (getting floaty now) to >> make it stand out from the noise. This project needs to excel and I fear it >> won't if "much" of the funding from the various parties ends up being spent >> on bus adverts and stupid Flash banners. They need to put their money in, >> leave it to experts to come up with the innovations and then let it simmer >> instead of hawk it and each want a piece of the pie (to the inevitable >> detriment of the entire project). >> >> Also WeView was a poor choice of name don't ye think? From a syllabic >> approach (sorry, I'm a linguist), "TV" is just about universal. "SeeSaw" >> wasn't great but still has some cross-linguistic compatibility. "We" and >> "View" can be quite complex syllables to pronounce if you don't speak much >> English and it evokes existing brands too much (Wii, Freeview etc). "WeV" >> just sounds stupid if you use the abbreviated form. (Would it become >> 'watching the Welly'?) Everybody's just going to call it "on demand" anyway, >> if they don't stick with Canvas... I quite like Canvas, particularly the >> concepts it evokes (plus it's a good name to 'say') >> > > > > -- > Ant Miller > > tel: 07709 265961 > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':
Um, it's not weview, it's YouView, (though no, I'm no fan of the name or the branding) and copyright for content of a website is usually vested in the website owner- I'd doubt you'd find much different on most commercial company web sites, and YouView is a commercial joint venture (albeit with a PSB partner). Your points regarding the marketing spend are open to debate, butif this is going to be a success and bring IP TV to most UK livingrooms then yeah, it will need selling. A good idea won't sell itself. a On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Christopher Woods wrote: > > > Yeah, and I *love* the way that the jv is kicking the foss community in > the teeth over t&c... > > The least they could do is give something back! Actually, correct me if I'm > wrong, but haven't they got to make the source code available? > > I've already been on the phone to them about possibly opening the stack so > homebrew kit could receive and make use of the environment... The foss > community could even help. > > This bit? > > "All copyright, trade marks, design rights, patents and other intellectual > property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on YouView.com and > YouView Content belong to YouView and/or YouView’s licensors. Please respect > copyright." > > If they intend for that to cover the entirety of FOSS contribs, that's > particularly cold. Not a fan of what's being done there at all. > > What I dislike almost as much is this revelation in that previously linked > article: > > "The seven partners in the project have each committed to contribute £4.5 > million per year over the next four years to fund the platform, much of > which will be spent on marketing." > > It doesn't need marketing to death, it needs a rock solid, intelligently > designed and truly innovative UI and 'experience' (getting floaty now) to > make it stand out from the noise. This project needs to excel and I fear it > won't if "much" of the funding from the various parties ends up being spent > on bus adverts and stupid Flash banners. They need to put their money in, > leave it to experts to come up with the innovations and then let it simmer > instead of hawk it and each want a piece of the pie (to the inevitable > detriment of the entire project). > > Also WeView was a poor choice of name don't ye think? From a syllabic > approach (sorry, I'm a linguist), "TV" is just about universal. "SeeSaw" > wasn't great but still has some cross-linguistic compatibility. "We" and > "View" can be quite complex syllables to pronounce if you don't speak much > English and it evokes existing brands too much (Wii, Freeview etc). "WeV" > just sounds stupid if you use the abbreviated form. (Would it become > 'watching the Welly'?) Everybody's just going to call it "on demand" anyway, > if they don't stick with Canvas... I quite like Canvas, particularly the > concepts it evokes (plus it's a good name to 'say') > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] HDCP RIP
For all it's flaws I think there was a decent model at the heart of it. It did describe a model of media use that made sense, that described the reasonable expectations of use of the ordinary user, and the ... oh, no wait, I'm thinking of something else. Don't mind me. a On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Alex Cockell wrote: > Yeah, but in the meantime > > HWAAAH HWAAH HWAAH!!! *HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER* > > Alex > > - Original message - > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 15:31, Brian Butterworth > > > wrote: > > > Seems like that very silly almost-content-protection system HDCP is no > > > more... > > > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/14/hdcp-master-key-supposedly-released-unlocks-hdtv-copy-protect/ > > > > Fear not! I'm sure HDCP+ will be along soon to save us from ourselves. > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
sp: send/ second On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Ant Miller wrote: > There's no standards war inside the BBC- there are a large number of very > clever people, and in areas where new technology is to be developed and > deployed, there are often intense discussions of what the best course of > action is. To be honest, that's one of the best bits about working here- > pretty much all voices get heard. > > The organisation has as whole struggled recently to manage this kind of > role recently, and it's tended to be somebody's send job (somebody already > very busy). I'd anticipate whoever takes this job on would get a lot of > backing from across the organisation, and be a focal point for much decision > making. You'd be in the middle of wide ranging and intense discussions, and > you'd be engaging with people inside and outside the corporation of course, > but since the role is officially 'representing' the BBC, that would give the > person in the role a fair amount of clout. > > They'd be busy people! > > a > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Brian Butterworth > wrote: > >> >> On 7 September 2010 11:00, Ant Miller wrote: >> >>> Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain >>> english- the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and >>> unfortunately I think it can act as a barier to getting people in. >>> >> >> I really thought that was the idea. I might apply now I understand it. >> >> >>> >>> If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding >>> this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public >>> though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. >>> >> >> The only thing you don't seem to get from the job description is the >> amount of backing you would get. I would have thought that there is a good >> chance that the role would get an "absorb the flack" from people (like me), >> unless the senior management really do regard standards as important. >> >> So, is there a "standards war" raging within the BBC, or does there need >> to be? >> >> >>> >>> a >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: >>> >>>> Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) >>>> >>>> On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: >>>> >>>> 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person >>>> on days conditions. >>>> >>>> It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used >>>>> to put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... >>>>> the interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time >>>>> contracts where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no >>>>> overtime. >>>>> OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that >>>>> finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you >>>>> take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office >>>>> effectively >>>>> "closes" for that time. >>>>> I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my >>>>> case, we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep >>>>> you >>>>> had to swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but >>>>> calling for a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. >>>>> Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone >>>>> "uncompetitive" - now that made me smile. >>>>> Regards >>>>> RichE >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Simon Thompson >>>> GMAIL Account >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ant Miller >>> >>> tel: 07709 265961 >>> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >>> >> >> > > > -- > Ant Miller > > tel: 07709 265961 > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
There's no standards war inside the BBC- there are a large number of very clever people, and in areas where new technology is to be developed and deployed, there are often intense discussions of what the best course of action is. To be honest, that's one of the best bits about working here- pretty much all voices get heard. The organisation has as whole struggled recently to manage this kind of role recently, and it's tended to be somebody's send job (somebody already very busy). I'd anticipate whoever takes this job on would get a lot of backing from across the organisation, and be a focal point for much decision making. You'd be in the middle of wide ranging and intense discussions, and you'd be engaging with people inside and outside the corporation of course, but since the role is officially 'representing' the BBC, that would give the person in the role a fair amount of clout. They'd be busy people! a On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > On 7 September 2010 11:00, Ant Miller wrote: > >> Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain english- >> the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and unfortunately I >> think it can act as a barier to getting people in. >> > > I really thought that was the idea. I might apply now I understand it. > > >> >> If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding >> this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public >> though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. >> > > The only thing you don't seem to get from the job description is the amount > of backing you would get. I would have thought that there is a good chance > that the role would get an "absorb the flack" from people (like me), unless > the senior management really do regard standards as important. > > So, is there a "standards war" raging within the BBC, or does there need to > be? > > >> >> a >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: >> >>> Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) >>> >>> On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: >>> >>> 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on >>> days conditions. >>> >>> It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. >>> >>> >>> On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: >>> >>>> This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used >>>> to put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... >>>> the interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time >>>> contracts where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no >>>> overtime. >>>> OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that >>>> finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you >>>> take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office >>>> effectively >>>> "closes" for that time. >>>> I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my >>>> case, we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you >>>> had to swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but >>>> calling for a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. >>>> Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone >>>> "uncompetitive" - now that made me smile. >>>> Regards >>>> RichE >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Simon Thompson >>> GMAIL Account >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ant Miller >> >> tel: 07709 265961 >> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >> > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain english- the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and unfortunately I think it can act as a barier to getting people in. If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. a On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: > Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) > > On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: > > 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on > days conditions. > > It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. > > > On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: > >> This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to >> put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the >> interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts >> where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. >> OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that >> finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you >> take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively >> "closes" for that time. >> I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, >> we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to >> swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for >> a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. >> Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" >> - now that made me smile. >> Regards >> RichE >> >> > -- > Simon Thompson > GMAIL Account > > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
it sort of makes sense, in that we still have some operational support roles that are shift based, and some part time. having days and hours terms for role grades ensures these peoples pay and conditions are always part of the collective terms of employment. On 9/7/10, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: >> and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering >> if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. >> > > How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar > the Post Office). > > Gordo > > -- > > Gordon Joly > gordon.j...@pobox.com > http://www.joly.org.uk/ > Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
it sort of makes sense, in that we still have some operational support roles that are shift based, and some part time. having days and hours ares for role grades ensures these peoples pay and conditions are always part of the collective terms of employment. On 9/7/10, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: >> and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering >> if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. >> > > How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar > the Post Office). > > Gordo > > -- > > Gordon Joly > gordon.j...@pobox.com > http://www.joly.org.uk/ > Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. On 9/6/10, Tim Dobson wrote: > People might be interested in this role that seems to be creating a bit > of a buzz > > http://jobs.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?newms=jj&id=35072&aid=10281 > > apparently: > "The D in 9D is "Days condition", and as it's London, that was £37,293 - > £54,646" > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Re: BBC Distribution Transmitter info
l from 09:37 yesterday to 10:30 >> yesterday" >> "Ravenscraig","- No problems - - No problems -", >> "Rhondda",,"HD Digital TV FAILURE from 14:45 today to 16:00 today" >> "Rosehearty","BBC ONE FAILURE; DSO related from 06:57 yesterday to 07:06 >> yesterday","- No problems -" >> "Rowridge","- No problems -","BBC Digital TV (One, Two, Three, CBBC, News) >> Weak Signal from 11:25 today to 13:41 today" >> "Saddleworth",,"HD Digital TV FAILURE from 10:15 today to 10:16 today" >> "South Knapdale","BBC TWO FAILURE from 09:06 yesterday to 13:08 >> yesterday", >> "Sutton Coldfield","BBC ONE Reduced Quality from 06:17 today to 06:50 >> today BBC ONE Weak Signal; DSO related from 09:33 yesterday to 15:36 >> yesterda","- No problems -" >> "Torosay","BBC TWO FAILURE from 09:05 yesterday to 09:06 yesterday","- No >> problems -" >> "Tynewydd",,"BBC Digital TV FAILURE from 14:45 today to 16:00 today" >> "West Runton","BBC ONE FAILURE from 07:02 yesterday to 07:04 yesterday", >> "Yetholm",,"BBC Digital TV FAILURE from 10:56 today to 11:01 today" >> >> If anyone is interested, the list of postcodes used (with the resulting >> analogue and Freeview transmitters) is in the attached .CSV file. >> >> >> >> >> Brian Butterworth >> >> follow me on twitter: @briantist <http://twitter.com/briantist> >> web: ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television >> and switchover advice, since 2002 >> >> >> On 1 September 2010 18:15, Ant Miller wrote: >> >>> Hi Brian, all, >>> >>> After extensive enquiries we have got to the bottom of the current >>> status of this data in the BBC, and I'm afraid a simple return the model >>> of old is not possible. The Ceefax pages and website were lovingly hand >>> cranked twice a day by dedicated staff, and in terms of cost >>> effectiveness and timeliness they are no longer deemed appropriate. On >>> balance this is a sensible decision, though it's also a shame that the >>> current 'wizard' interface is not more open. On the upside it *is* >>> updated 24/7, and the BBC has no objection in principle to automated >>> scraping. If it was to be built today, I think a few of us would hope >>> to see the raw data published alongside the tool, but a retrofit of this >>> isn't on the cards at the moment. >>> >>> There are, however, plans to update the Distribution website, and this >>> will include more detailed notifications of incidents. We hope (and >>> internally shall champion) that this will be a subscribable simple >>> syndicatable service, but we can't guarantee that just yet. >>> >>> In essence this comes down to a question of where to direct limited >>> resources, and as and when the opportunity to update these services >>> emerges we hope that we'll be able to offer open access. If a clearly >>> articulated case for the value of an open feed can be made, for license >>> fee payers or the industry, then I would expect that we would take >>> another look at the question, >>> >>> Many thanks for your patience, >>> >>> Ant >>> >>> ___ >>> Ant Miller, Senior Research Manager >>> >>> mobile: +44 (0)7809 597757 >>> BBC Research & Development >>> South Lab, BBC Centre House >>> 56 Wood Lane >>> London >>> W12 7SB >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/rd/ >>> http://www.bbcarchive.org.uk/pmwiki/ >>> >>> P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Thank >>> you. >>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ >>> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >>> personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically >>> stated. >>> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >>> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >>> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >>> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >>> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >>> >>> >>> >> > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] IPv6 questionnaire
Not off the top of my head. I'll have a look monday. a Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Fearghas McKay Sent: 13 August 2010 11:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] IPv6 questionnaire On 13/08/2010 11:11, Ant Miller wrote: > We got contacted by a researcher on an eu project looking at this question. Can you remember which eu project ? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] IPv6 questionnaire
We got contacted by a researcher on an eu project looking at this question. I pointed them to core tech strategy types. Not sure what response was. FOI time? Would need carefully framing. a Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Matt Hammond Sent: 13 August 2010 10:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] IPv6 questionnaire Hi Mo, I was looking at the question: "What is your current level of IPv6 deployment?". Either you've added the "No plans at all" question, or I missed it first time around! Either way, I have no concerns about this now. cheers Matt On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:13:43 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:48, Matt Hammond > wrote: > >> Your questionnaire doesn't seem to have any provision for people to >> answer >> that they are "not doing anything about". To clarify: you only want >> submissions from people actively considering, deploying or who have >> deployed? > > All of the above, if at all possible! > > Which question was troubling you -- I can tweak the answers if needs-be? > >> PS: I've no idea about what the BBC is or is not doing with regards to >> IPv6. > > Neither do I, and that's worrying me somewhat. I would imagine that > the negotiations required will be... horrible, given the various > levels outsourcingness. > > Cheers, > > M. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, BBC R&D, Centre House, London | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Transmitter engineering information - please can we have it back?
Working on it. a Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth Sent: 28 July 2010 14:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Transmitter engineering information - please can we have it back? Me again... Can anyone help with getting this information back again please? On 23 July 2010 18:05, Brian Butterworth wrote: Ant, It used to be a fixed-width format table of all the current live transmitter problems in the UK. Here's an example: http://web.archive.org/web/20070824052334/www.bbc.co.uk/reception/transmitters/index.shtml Thanks for your help. On 23 July 2010 17:40, Ant Miller wrote: I'll see if I can find out what's possible. Could you give me a rundown of what used to be up there? a On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Brian Butterworth wrote: I know I asked before, but I'm going to ask again. Does anyone know who I can ask to have the BBC transmitter engineering information that used to be at the following address restored? [The entire original message is not included]
Re: [backstage] Transmitter engineering information - please can we have it back?
I'll see if I can find out what's possible. Could you give me a rundown of what used to be up there? a On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Brian Butterworth wrote: > I know I asked before, but I'm going to ask again. > > Does anyone know who I can ask to have the *BBC transmitter engineering > information* that used to be at the following address restored? > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/transmitters/today.shtml > > There was a major failure of BBC FM Radio 1, 2, 3, 4 and Manchester from > the Holmes Moss transmitter last week and no one knew about it because, > unless you are prepared to spend ages with the very slow wizard at this > address, you can't see: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/transmitters/today.shtml > > Any help would be gratefully received. > > -- > > > Brian Butterworth > > follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist > web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover > advice, since 2002 > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Tried to submit a prototype but got an error 500
Hi Fabrizio, I'm looking into the problem right now, but it's possible that the solution might be to discontinue the submissions process. Sorry about this- we'll share more when we can, Thanks Ant On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:15 PM, blueBill Mobile < bluebill-mob...@tidalwave.it> wrote: > Good morning. > > I've just tried to submit a prototype by means of > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/05/thank_you_for_y.html - but I > got an Error 500. Is the submission of prototype still working? Are you > still interested? > > Thanks. > > Best regards, >Fabrizio Giudici. > > -- > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." > java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people > fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Unable to sign up for Backstage account?
Hi David, We're in the process of updating some of the infrastructure behind the Backstage set up so it's possible that some processes are a little bit orphaned at the moment. I've passed this over for a support request and we'll get back to you asap Cheers Ant On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:51 AM, David Craddock wrote: > Hi, > > I have attempted to sign up under three different email addresses, > including @gmail.com @googlemail.com, and from another googlemail > account hosted on my domain. > > It doesn't look like the signup emails are being sent over. I have > checked all spam filtering on these accounts. Maybe there is a problem > with the server? > > I'm looking for access to the API, so that I can experiment with the > backstage content. > > David > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
It is sincerely wearying. I wish we were more honest. If it was me doing the talking for us, it would be different, but i don't get that clout. Cheers for the input. a Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Mo McRoberts Sent: 15 June 2010 22:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management right, Im going to level with you all: Im tired. very tired. Im juggling a day-job building e-commerce websites with a hobby helping to build some very very cool things, and Ive put an awful lot of time and effort into questioning, gaining understanding of and explaining this whole Freeview HD copy-protection debacle. I dont think Ive been especially unclear, or got caught up in rhetoric and emotion to any a great extent, and Ive done my best to try to answer questions and concerns and everything else to the best of my knowledge. now, its true that my knowledge of DVB internals isnt the best in the world: the people for whom that holds true work for the BBC and so cant really comment too much. but, Ive taken what I do know and tried to put it into plain English as much as I possibly can, and as far as I can see much of this whole thing is rather cut-and-dried. now, to be clear, this scheme hasnt particularly irritated me. in all honesty, it was to be expected to an extent. there are aspects of it which *have* annoyed me, but not to the point of getting angry about it (the last time that happened, I spent all a whole day adding signatures to the bottom of an open letter ) what _has_ irritated to me, however, is the fact that nobody representing the BBC will be straight about it. everything has to be dressed up to make it look appealing (especially where it isnt), which makes it a whole lot worse if its principally motivated by _other_ Freeview HD broadcasters. the whole approach to it was not one of informing the public in a fair and impartial manner, but of public relations. now, I wrote this article, originally for the BBC Internet Blog, but it was declined (as the BBC had already made their position clear and wanted nothing which might detract from it), and luckily I managed to persuade the Guardian to run it instead: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/01/bbc-hd-consultation-hdmi this was an article that I wrote deliberately (given its target outlet) to avoid speculation, half-truths, paranoia, cynicism or knee-jerk, sticking as much as humanly possible to the facts. if anything, I probably gave the BBC the benefit of the doubt a little more than I should! now, I can understand that it was declined for publication. after all, at that point, a guest post from a non-staffer was pretty unprecedented. but thats besides the point: why was it necessary for me to write that post in the first place? the method of engagement which the BBC employed principally the BBC Internet blog (and only _after_ Cory Doctorow and Tom Watson drew attention to the proposal which had been quietly submitted to Ofcom without any form of public statement by the BBC) glossed over the stuff that was in there, and yet those were the things people wanted to know most of all. so, all in all, Im disappointed by the BBC. not for pushing this through per se, but for its approach to it, which has been nothing short of disgraceful. for the record, Nick, although I *disagree* with you on some things, I think youve done as good a job as you could have done with this whole thing I do think it was ridiculous that you were left to field questions, though (questions which would never have arisen had the BBC been upfront and honest with everybody in the first place). Ive made my position on the actual scheme quite clear, so Im going to stop now. most of us on here are as far as I know (save for some quibbles over minor details and loopholes) of *broadly* the same opinion, though depending on your perspective your position might vary from argh! to worthless waste of everybodys time (or more likely, somewhere in between). there are some who disagree, who think the short-term gain is worth the long-term loss, and I cant do anything but agree to disagree. my colours have been nailed to the mast, and Im not going to continue re-stating the facts in as many different ways as I can muster in order to answer the same points over and over again. as I said, I have better things to be doing with my time. Im not going anywhere, and Ill still be reading this thread, but I dont honestly have the energy to keep replying to anything but purely technical stuff in relation to this. I really am very tired. M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit ht
[backstage] Ian Forrester Update: Thursday 20th May
We've heard today that Ian's had tests with good 'clear' results and is on the road to recovery. He's still under sedation in intensive care, but it's being gently reduced and we are hoping for yet more good news in the days ahead. When we have more solid information we'll share it here, and on the blog. For now, we're just glad to be able to pass this on, Thanks, Ant, Adrian and everyone in R&D -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] Ian Forrester Update
Hi all, We've posted a limited update on the Backstage blog with some information about Ian's illness and recovery. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcbackstage/2010/05/ian-forrester.shtml There's is more detailed information but we're being sensitive about sharing it and not at this time broadcasting it on shared channels such as this or the blog- for what it's worth, it's good news so far today. As and when we're happy to share information more widely we'll share it on Backstage blog, and here. Ian will I'm sure be deeply moved by the many heartfelt messages of support that have been flooding in on this and other channels. One other point I'd like to make is that we feel it's very unhelpful for there to be speculation on his medical condition- this means that I've asked for all comments to be pre-moderated, and if comments make secon hand speculation about his state of health we'll pull them. May seem a bit harsh, and I know everyone means well, but it's really not appropriate, Cheers Ant -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Ian
Hi Tim, I'm up in mcr tomorrow, travelling up tonight actually. Let me know if there's anything I can bring up- probably nothing much I can do, but if there's anything. You up to see him later? a On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Tim Dobson wrote: > On 18/05/10 13:37, Peter Bowyer wrote: > > Just read on Twitter that Ian Forrester is unwell - fingers crossed > > for a speedy recovery. > > Ian's been unwell over the past week or so and is currently recuperating > in hospital. At the moment I don't really have anything more - he's > taking it easy and will get back to everyone in due course when he's > fighting fit again. > > If there's any BBC related issues, his line manager, Adrian, (cc'd in) > should be able to assist or step in. > > I'll let you know when we hear more - as I said he's recovering & a > degree of of privacy would almost certainly be appreciated. > > You can leave him well-wishes here: > http://bit.ly/a4MdIE > > Cheers, > > Tim > > Friend/Colleague/Flatmate > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support f or open source
Whaoh for a blue hair face-palm! a On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Iain Wallace wrote: > Oops! > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Mo McRoberts wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 16:36, Mo McRoberts wrote: >>> (Off-list, just to keep Ian Forrester’s job safe) >> >> Wow. That was an _epic_ fail. >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Maker Faire Newcastle 2010
We've got a decent team coming up from R&D- Tony Churnside in MCR is pulling together the arrangments. Surround video is definately going to be there, plus a few other demos possibly including some live hacking. a On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Mo McRoberts wrote: > http://makerfaire.com/newcastle/2010/attend/ > > March 13th & 14th > > So, who's going? > > I'll be there on the Saturday (and hanging around for a couple of > hours afterwards, too). Hopefully get a chance to meet some of you, > too. > > (I'm quite looking forward to Graham Thomas's surround video demo, > assuming there have been no changes of plan?) > > M. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] BBC R&D Move- Video
NTFS but mac ain't that old. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Brian Butterworth wrote: > NTFS has been around since ... 1993, it would have to be a very, very old > Mac, surely not to have NTFS support? You can mount NTFS formatted hard > drives onto Macs. > > > On 1 February 2010 15:41, Stephen Jolly wrote: > >> >> On 1 Feb 2010, at 15:14, Christopher Woods wrote: >> > But seriously, how old is the Mac? I noticed some older Macs at my old >> Uni had problems with a couple of my USB sticks, although they were USB2.0 >> and everything-else-compatible. Just seemingly refused to work. >> >> On the basis of no information at all, I'm guessing that the USB drives in >> question might have been formatted NTFS, or something. >> >> S >> >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > > > -- > > Brian Butterworth > > follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist > web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover > advice, since 2002 > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] BBC R&D Move- Video
Actually to have a semi public facing drop zone where we could ingest, analyse and prep files for upload would be a good tool. Get it working right, and build in the right security, and I know of three or four real world production applications straight off- could even integrate well to DMI. If we do a production systems hack day this year I'd chuck it in the mix. a On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Stephen Jolly wrote: > On 1 Feb 2010, at 13:30, Ant Miller wrote: > > > Possibly- the specific file formats we need to encode to to upload to > iplayer are pretty standard, but the way we make these films is using a 3rd > party editor (he's great by the way). Delivering finished films from his > home edit suite to us is proving maddeningly unreliable- a combination of > his home internet connection, a Mac that refuses to even see some removable > drives and a DVD Rom burner we are deeply suspicious of means that roughly > half the films fail at some stage of the workflow. In this instance an > H.264 copy (far lower quality) was readable off a memory stick whereas the > far nicer, and bigger, DV Pal 25 .mov file was U/S. > > > > Given the time I would love to set up a nice smooth workflow to pipe > these things from him to me, or in fact from any contributor to me, but it's > well outside my technical comfort zone, and there's always something else > pressing on my time. > > Sounds like a great R&D project - perhaps an automated tool to analyse (and > upload?) video produced by third parties? :-) > > S > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] BBC R&D Move- Video
Possibly- the specific file formats we need to encode to to upload to iplayer are pretty standard, but the way we make these films is using a 3rd party editor (he's great by the way). Delivering finished films from his home edit suite to us is proving maddeningly unreliable- a combination of his home internet connection, a Mac that refuses to even see some removable drives and a DVD Rom burner we are deeply suspicious of means that roughly half the films fail at some stage of the workflow. In this instance an H.264 copy (far lower quality) was readable off a memory stick whereas the far nicer, and bigger, DV Pal 25 .mov file was U/S. Given the time I would love to set up a nice smooth workflow to pipe these things from him to me, or in fact from any contributor to me, but it's well outside my technical comfort zone, and there's always something else pressing on my time. See, I've driveled on about this for 3 minutes already! a On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Mo McRoberts wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:57, Ant Miller wrote: > > Better late than never I realise that I neglected to flag this short film > to > > the Backstage list. We shot it two weeks ago and very quickly edited and > > loaded it up last week. Apologies for the video quality- we've been > having > > slight nightmares getting good quality files out of FCP and into > iPlayer!. > > Sounds like a backstage blog post in the making ;) > > M. > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] BBC R&D Move- Video
Ah, yeah, sorry about that. There is a switch that's flippable, but the paperwork! We're planning on launching our new website later this week, and into that we can embed video on a different distribution net with worldwide access- I'll repost when that's set up. Sorry! a On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Dan Brickley wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Ant Miller wrote: > > Better late than never I realise that I neglected to flag this short film > to > > the Backstage list. We shot it two weeks ago and very quickly edited and > > loaded it up last week. Apologies for the video quality- we've been > having > > slight nightmares getting good quality files out of FCP and into > iPlayer!. > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/2010/01/rd-south-lab-video-report-on-t.shtml > > I get "not available in your area" (Amsterdam, fwiw). Can you flip a > permissions switch somewhere? > > cheers, > > Dan > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] BBC R&D Move- Video
Better late than never I realise that I neglected to flag this short film to the Backstage list. We shot it two weeks ago and very quickly edited and loaded it up last week. Apologies for the video quality- we've been having slight nightmares getting good quality files out of FCP and into iPlayer!. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/2010/01/rd-south-lab-video-report-on-t.shtml -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] Would like info about Bournemouth area connectivity
Hi all, Would anybody be able to have a quick chat, off list, about dommestic connectivity in the Bournemouth area? In particular, has anyone had any dealings with fibrecity? Cheers Ant p.s. This isn't official BBC business, but would be useful at work, if you know what I mean. -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] BBC R&D Wiki page
With the minute amount of time I can spare I've taken the plunge and put an updated entry on the BBC R&D page on wikipedia- it's not much, and I haven't even fixed the logo- plu it redirects to BBC Research ( a non existent entity!). Rather than run the risk of being accused of rampant commercial self promotion, I'd like to turn to the backstage community to contribute what they can about R&D- perhaps you can't pop much there, but I'd appreciate all you can put in. I'm a very very occasional wikipedian, and not at all sure that as a BBC employee I ought to be putting lots up there, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Research (I've proposed reverting to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BBC_R%26D&redirect=no ) ta a -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Not definitional but: TV is a large international engineering, entertainment, and journalism complex with a contiguous attitude toward it's 'audience' and in most cases, it's 'customers/clients' (aka advertisers). It is a culture under threat, and reacting to that threat with several contradictory trends- a flight to quality and niche (think HBO and the abandonment of the mass audience model), a flight to immediacy (think 24 hours rolling news) and a flight to audience centrism (think ultra local TV and the cult of UGC). These reactions and more are pulling apart the consensus at the heart of TV- there is no perfect TV anymore, if there ever was. What was 'perfect TV'? It was the idea of commecially sustainable programming of a wide range and high quality that utilised steadily advancing technology to deliver better pictures and sound to more people and to build ever larger audiences. It was not more choice. It was not revolutionaly technology. It was not a technological fracturing of the audience and their devices. Perfect TV is dead, and to tell the truth it never really existed anyway. Institutions like the BBC (and RAI, RTE etc.) were anomalous in the global TV industry, and we need to recognise that. We need to understand that on a global scale TV is commercial, and the BBC then as now oppoerates along side commercial partners in terms of technology and content. The two key differences are that we don't carry adverts (and so do not have the 'client relationship' that defines most of TV) and that we have, instead, developed a strong social contract. As the technology changes in the global market throw TV globally into turmoil, we will be thrown into turmoil too. TV is what mass communications and publishing was before the internet reached most people's homes. TV the industry- the industrial/ entertainment/ journalism complex- is trying very hard to move into the internet enabled world, but whether it will successfully do so by porting most of it'sbusiness wholesale into the IP delivered infrastrucutre (a la Hulu/ iplayer) or my being an integrated and enriching element of the whole integrated mesh of digital objects and relationships (which can btw include the content that is bottled up in products like Hulu) remains to be seen. Arguably, the internet could by sheer technological evolutionary pressure democratise all content. But that in itself is a threat to the web of business that TV is bringing to the party. TV is a dinosaur sleepwalking off a cliff. a (personal opinion only natch) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > 2009/12/15 Ian Stirling : >> Mo McRoberts wrote: >>> >>> Discuss. >> >> TV is live simultaneous transmission of pictures, > > I'm not sure "live" transmission is definitional; most TV isn't live, > although it started off that way AIUI. > >> where you can have a large >> number of people over a significant distance watching one event. > > I'm not sure broadcasting "events" is definitional. > > For me, TV is broadcast video, which is to say, TV is video that a > mass audience watches simultaneously. > > To paraphrase McLuhan, as the medium of our time - computer networks - > is reshaping and restructuring patterns of social interdependence and > every aspect of our personal life, the way video is disseminated is > changing. > > TV is still possible with the internet, but it is a very minor way for > video to be published. > > Just as theatre is still going, but in a very minor way compared to > the prominance it had because electric technology. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Wave
I've found it a bit problematic- there's nothing wrong with the day to day interaction, and the system though flakey is pretty good considering what it's trying to do. However, the 'contriibutor managment' model is really bad for a lot of situations. It's really hard to find other users in Wave. It's impossible to set t the outset what the distribution of a wave should be (you have to assume that they WILL be public- dangerous unless you live in a world without lawyers or Daily Mail journos!) It's impossible to actively manage what waves YOU get attached to. In essence it treats the world as a great big friendly share everything playschool, where nobody even has surprise parties let alone personal private conversations. Unless it sorts this out, and introduces a robust (and I mean properly robust) contributor management model I'd actual recommend we don't use it for work dialogues. On the other hand for properly public conversatios, like these, it might well be an excellent tool. Maybe. Not sure. a On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Juergen Hoehn wrote: > Hi, still one left? > > if so, I'd go for a a try. > > Juergen > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Tim Dobson wrote: >> Brian Butterworth wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I have some Google Wave invites left .. please let me know if you would >>> like one. >> >> I also have 16 left. If you'd like one, you're welcome. >> >> I wouldn't get excited though. I'm still not really impressed by it. >> >> Tim >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Maker Faire Newcastle 2010]
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Re: [backstage] Encryption of HD by the BBC - cont ...
seful approach to legal interpretation. More extensively, since a pragmatic > conception of meaning is a component of an inferential semantics, we > consider whether an inferentialist approach to legal interpretation can be > of help in treating and resolving some problems of legal interpretation. In > sum: Is legal inferentialism a suitable conception of legal interpretation?" > > > Some of the Anti-copyright argument. > > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/web/la-oew-healey18feb18,0,7696645.story > > "In "The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism", the economist and Nobel > Prize winner F.A. Hayek explains the difference between conventional > property rights and copyright. While the supply of material resources is > limited by nature, the supply of an immaterial good [is] unlimited, unless > the government limits the supply by law?. A later Nobel Prize winner, Milton > Friedman, describes copyright as a monopoly that decreases supply to a level > below the optimal level. Copyright and the regulations that follow from it > should, according to Friedman, be described primarily as a limitation of > free speech. > > In essence, Sigfrid is saying that something in unlimited supply can't be > stolen." > > [...] > > "These aren't just academic arguments. They're ammunition in a battle that's > raging online to shape the way the public thinks about copyrights. The first > salvo was fired by the original Napster, which defined itself as a > file-sharing network. That won the semantic high ground by defining > unauthorized downloading as "sharing," not "copying" or "duplicating." The > implication was that users of these networks were merely being generous with > something they possessed, not usurping the rights of copyright holders." > > The arguments about theft of service in the article are also wrong, as theft > of service is just an extension of property rights. > > The BBC wishes to limit supply by encryption, and therefore restrict free > speech, and support private monopolies. > > > Must Read: > > A more complete argument against copyright can be found in the book: > http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm > which available as a pdf from the web site. > > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?
On a side bar, the estimable @nevali is doing lovely work on an IPTV interface, incluing a far nicer Freeview logo! http://emberapp.com/nevali/images/services-menu a On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Andrew Bowden wrote: >> Brian Butterworth wrote: >> > I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the >> > same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD service, >> > Freesat+ HD is the PVR with HD >> We were talking about Freeview, however if it follows the >> same conventions as Freesat then Freeview+ can mean HD too. >> The Humax Freesat HD PVR is branded Freesat+, see here: >> http://www.humaxdigital.com/uk/products/product_stb_satellite_ >> foxsathdr. >> asp >> As are the Panasonic HD recorders: >> http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/DVD+Recorders+% >> 26+Players >> /DIGA+DVD+Recorders/DMR-XS350/Overview/2359654/index.html >> I've yet to see a device branded Freesat+ HD, and I've not >> seen it mentioned in any publicity. > > Ah well when Freesat's involved there's an inveitable issue here as so > far there hasn't been an SD PVR in the range in order to distinguish > between Freesat+ and Freesat HD+/+HD/whatever. > > The Freesat website basically pushes freesat+ as a HD DVR, and so far > there are companies interested in manufacturering even the basic SD > boxes. > http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?page=products.Products&type_id=3 > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?
To be honest I saw a lot of confusing presentation of logos in the DVB-T2 presentation at IBC. It's a personal point but I happen to think the Freeview logo is an absolute dog of design, and all the + and HD tack ons are awful. Still waddo I know?! a On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Brian Butterworth wrote: > BUT > The plus denotes a PVR > and two letter > denote HD > There's no wonder 8% of the public think the TVL pays for ITV > 2009/9/18 Gareth Davis >> >> Brian Butterworth wrote: >> > I thought we were talking about FreeVIEW HD. Freesat is named the >> same, Freesat+ is the PVR, Freesat HD is the HD service, Freesat+ HD is >> the PVR with HD >> >> We were talking about Freeview, however if it follows the same >> conventions as Freesat then Freeview+ can mean HD too. >> >> The Humax Freesat HD PVR is branded Freesat+, see here: >> http://www.humaxdigital.com/uk/products/product_stb_satellite_foxsathdr. >> asp >> >> As are the Panasonic HD recorders: >> http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/DVD+Recorders+%26+Players >> /DIGA+DVD+Recorders/DMR-XS350/Overview/2359654/index.html >> >> I've yet to see a device branded Freesat+ HD, and I've not seen it >> mentioned in any publicity. >> >> -- >> Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist >> World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global >> News Division >> 8 http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ <http://www.bbcworldservice.com/> + >> 500NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH >> >> >> >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > -- > > Brian Butterworth > > follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist > web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover > advice, since 2002 > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?
Yup, my bad. In my defense, it's all a bit complex, and the slides I saw didn't make the distinction clear. Still and all, to get back to the original thread subject, I've seen no sign of a broadcast flag or even CPCM being shoe horned into either the DSO or HD roll out. a On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Brian Butterworth wrote: > Freeview+ is the name of the Freeview PVR/DVR. Freeview HD will be called, > Freeview HD. > > 2009/9/17 Ant Miller >> >> Freeview and freeview+ (as the DVB-T2 carried HD mux is to be called) >> will exist in parallel- the number of muxes will drop from 6 to 5, one >> will go to DVB-t2, the other 4 will up their capacity with a little >> tweak and reshuffled channels from the flipped mux will be shared >> around them. The New mux will be a part of the main digital switch >> over process from the Granada switch onwards, with advance broadcasts >> in enough areas to make HD a possible service for a decent majority of >> the population by the time of the World Cup. >> >> Yes, by the middle of next year, a very large part of the UK TV >> audience will have the option to buy kit that will let them watch HD >> over terrestrial digital broadcast at home using their existing TV >> ariel. The bandwidth is moderate- improvements in carrier (256 QAM) >> and video compression (h.264) have given the broadcasters about 50% >> more capacity for a given bit of spectrum. >> >> Keeping audiences happy as DSO happens and Freeview+ rolls out is a >> critical task, and one that a phenomenal amount of effort is going >> onto- in fact the whole DVB-T2 story is one of incredibly good AND >> quick research, development and engineering, driven along by >> frighteningly tight regulatory deadlines. To be honest, slotting >> additional DRM requirements at this stage looks like adding a horrid >> additional complication to an already mind bending engineering >> challenge, and perhaps more importantly, could break the delicate >> public trust the roll-out depends upon. >> >> All of the above is based on my personnal opinion and understanding >> based on public domain discussions, especially from the IBC conference >> last week. It is not the BBC's official possition. >> >> a >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Frankie Roberto >> wrote: >> > >> > 2009/9/17 Christopher Woods >> > >> >> Moreover, you just *know* that within months of any broadcast flag >> >> implementation, the more creative technological tinkerers will have >> >> subverted the flag entirely using commonplace/free equipment and >> >> software. >> >> Like region coding, broadcast flags really are an exercise in stupidity >> >> and >> >> corporate backslapping. >> > >> > By the sounds of it, the main 'enforcement' mechanism of the metadata >> > compression/encryption isn't so much technological, as the fact that you >> > won't be able to use the "Freeview HD" logo, or be listed on the >> > Freeview >> > website, without signing for a free licence (which requires you to >> > implement >> > some as-yet-unspecified restrictions). Which won't really stop free >> > software >> > from existing - but may stop it from being a commercial success. >> > >> > That said, I wonder how many people will really bother to upgrade from >> > Freeview to Freeview HD anyway - standard definition Freeview seems good >> > enough for most people (especially those with non-enormous tellies). So >> > the >> > migration to Freeview HD will happen slowly, as people upgrade their >> > televisions as part of their natural lifecycle. (Assuming that the >> > signal >> > doesn't get switched off). >> > >> > Frankie >> > >> > -- >> > Frankie Roberto >> > Experience Designer, Rattle >> > 0114 2706977 >> > http://www.rattlecentral.com >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Ant Miller >> >> tel: 07709 265961 >> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > -- > > Brian Butterworth > > follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist > web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover > advice, since 2002 > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?
I don't know the topfield box, but it's unlikely it can decode the new carrier mode. h.264 it might be able to handle, but it would be a surprise. So no, the HD will need a new box. Optional upgrade, not a free upgrade! Though the broadcast service will remain free to air. a On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Alun Rowe wrote: > > I meant in terms of the HD element if they are changing the spec? If there > is a decryption requirement I doubt the Topfield will have it? > > On 17 Sep 2009, at 17:52, "Ant Miller" wrote: > >> You'll need to retune, but the services you currently get on Freeview >> should still be available. Think of Freeview + as an optional >> upgrade. >> >> a >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Alun Rowe >> wrote: >>> >>> I assume my topfield HD will be out of date with these proposed changes? >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ant Miller >> >> tel: 07709 265961 >> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> >> >> This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of >> the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a >> trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified >> that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files >> associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received >> this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the >> message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may >> be monitored. >> >> Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as >> information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or >> incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility >> for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any >> attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If >> verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or >> opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >> represent those of the company. > > > Alun Rowe > Pentangle Internet Limited > 2 Buttermarket > Thame > Oxfordshire > OX9 3EW > Tel: +44 8700 339905 > Fax: +44 8700 339906 > Please direct all support requests to > mailto:it-supp...@pentangle.co.ukpentangle Internet Limited is a limited > company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 3960918. > Registered office: 1 Lauras Close, Great Staughton, Cambridgeshire PE19 5DP > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?
You'll need to retune, but the services you currently get on Freeview should still be available. Think of Freeview + as an optional upgrade. a On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Alun Rowe wrote: > I assume my topfield HD will be out of date with these proposed changes? > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?
Freeview and freeview+ (as the DVB-T2 carried HD mux is to be called) will exist in parallel- the number of muxes will drop from 6 to 5, one will go to DVB-t2, the other 4 will up their capacity with a little tweak and reshuffled channels from the flipped mux will be shared around them. The New mux will be a part of the main digital switch over process from the Granada switch onwards, with advance broadcasts in enough areas to make HD a possible service for a decent majority of the population by the time of the World Cup. Yes, by the middle of next year, a very large part of the UK TV audience will have the option to buy kit that will let them watch HD over terrestrial digital broadcast at home using their existing TV ariel. The bandwidth is moderate- improvements in carrier (256 QAM) and video compression (h.264) have given the broadcasters about 50% more capacity for a given bit of spectrum. Keeping audiences happy as DSO happens and Freeview+ rolls out is a critical task, and one that a phenomenal amount of effort is going onto- in fact the whole DVB-T2 story is one of incredibly good AND quick research, development and engineering, driven along by frighteningly tight regulatory deadlines. To be honest, slotting additional DRM requirements at this stage looks like adding a horrid additional complication to an already mind bending engineering challenge, and perhaps more importantly, could break the delicate public trust the roll-out depends upon. All of the above is based on my personnal opinion and understanding based on public domain discussions, especially from the IBC conference last week. It is not the BBC's official possition. a On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Frankie Roberto wrote: > > 2009/9/17 Christopher Woods > >> Moreover, you just *know* that within months of any broadcast flag >> implementation, the more creative technological tinkerers will have >> subverted the flag entirely using commonplace/free equipment and software. >> Like region coding, broadcast flags really are an exercise in stupidity and >> corporate backslapping. > > By the sounds of it, the main 'enforcement' mechanism of the metadata > compression/encryption isn't so much technological, as the fact that you > won't be able to use the "Freeview HD" logo, or be listed on the Freeview > website, without signing for a free licence (which requires you to implement > some as-yet-unspecified restrictions). Which won't really stop free software > from existing - but may stop it from being a commercial success. > > That said, I wonder how many people will really bother to upgrade from > Freeview to Freeview HD anyway - standard definition Freeview seems good > enough for most people (especially those with non-enormous tellies). So the > migration to Freeview HD will happen slowly, as people upgrade their > televisions as part of their natural lifecycle. (Assuming that the signal > doesn't get switched off). > > Frankie > > -- > Frankie Roberto > Experience Designer, Rattle > 0114 2706977 > http://www.rattlecentral.com > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes
Erm, yeah, if that's the error page it usually pops we should tidy it up. I'm a fan of good error pages. a On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Frank Wales wrote: > Ant Miller wrote: >> If you've got ideas and suggestions for improvement, or any further >> questions, I'd be happy to pass them along to the team. > > Completely geeky one: make iplayer.bbc.co.uk do something sensible. > -- > Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes
One last snippet, our Erik in his keynote yesterday ponted out that iPlayer is currently delivering 23 diferent formats for diferent devices! 23! It's actually a real challenge to get all of those done and it's expensive too, and I think he'd be keen for a greater standardisation in viewing platforms and codecs- wouldn't we all! If you've got ideas and suggestions for improvement, or any further questions, I'd be happy to pass them along to the team. The BBC Internet Blog had an iPlayer day back in April with loads of posts, and updates do appear occasionally: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/iplayer/. We could ask if a more technical article could appear running through the production chains, or we could even see if a more detailed technical post could appear on the forthcoming BBC Research & Development blog! (to be honest R&D is engaged with only a few iPlayer elements- might be cheeeky to ask them to write up for us!). ant p.s. Erik Hugger's keynote at IBC was really interesting, Roo's already tweeted about the announcement of OpeniPlayer, but the speech had a lot in it worth looking at: http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2009/09/11/bbc-to-open-iplayer-to-third-parties-ibc09/ On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Frankie Roberto wrote: > Hi Ant, > > Thanks for the update. I'm not sure I 100% follow, but it's good to know > that this kind of stuff is being thought about and constantly improved upon > at the BBC. > > It's amazing how BBC iPlayer has become so well known and so > taken-for-granted now, that I feel compelled to complain about it not being > considered from script stage onwards... :-) > > Next I'll be suggesting that directors cut down on fast pans and > low-contrast shots, in order to minimise compression-related problems... > (although these affect DTV too) > > Frankie > > 2009/9/10 Ant Miller >> >> Ok, so some of you have noticed iPlayer for the iPhone is a bit >> different- this 'I think' is via an Off Air system (or was at one >> point). Radio has a system called Coyopa that takes original content >> from the networks between the studios and final terestrial and digital >> playout, but is part ofthe same chain. Most iPlayer stuff I think >> comes from the same chain as playout, but not the very end. Basically >> very very little is ingested seperately from the normal playout, but >> the point of 'branching' varies from network to network, and between >> the versions of iPlayer. >> >> Complicated, but we do our best. And importantly it's ALWAYS evolving. >> Sometims I wish it did so a bit more publicly. >> >> a >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Phil Lewis >> wrote: >> > On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 17:48 +0100, Frankie Roberto wrote: >> > snip... >> >> you could even do things like cut down the amount of "trailing ahead" >> >> - which surely is less required on iPlayer where people have chosen to >> >> watch something specific and are in less danger of changing channel... >> >> (You could probably shave a good few minutes off from Dragons Den in >> >> this way, which trails ahead constantly in a really annoying way). >> > >> > Surely a bad idea, that would just make the 'BBC News at Six' just 10 >> > minutes long ;-) >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> > Unofficial list archive: >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Ant Miller >> >> tel: 07709 265961 >> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > -- > Frankie Roberto > Experience Designer, Rattle > 0114 2706977 > http://www.rattlecentral.com > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes
Ok, so some of you have noticed iPlayer for the iPhone is a bit different- this 'I think' is via an Off Air system (or was at one point). Radio has a system called Coyopa that takes original content from the networks between the studios and final terestrial and digital playout, but is part ofthe same chain. Most iPlayer stuff I think comes from the same chain as playout, but not the very end. Basically very very little is ingested seperately from the normal playout, but the point of 'branching' varies from network to network, and between the versions of iPlayer. Complicated, but we do our best. And importantly it's ALWAYS evolving. Sometims I wish it did so a bit more publicly. a On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Phil Lewis wrote: > On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 17:48 +0100, Frankie Roberto wrote: > snip... >> you could even do things like cut down the amount of "trailing ahead" >> - which surely is less required on iPlayer where people have chosen to >> watch something specific and are in less danger of changing channel... >> (You could probably shave a good few minutes off from Dragons Den in >> this way, which trails ahead constantly in a really annoying way). > > Surely a bad idea, that would just make the 'BBC News at Six' just 10 > minutes long ;-) > > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes
Interesting question, and one that might be someone clarrified by an indepth review of the complete broadcast chain and metadata managment chain involved in taking material from the original source carrier (file or tape or live feed) into the multiple iPlayer assets that each programme produces. Sadly I haven't the time, put it's potentially a suggestion to put to the BBC Internet Blog team, and they might be able to oblige. Do bear in mind though, that to an extent ingesting once for broadcast and iplayer distribution does represent a certain level of eficiently- if we did them seperately I'm sure someone would suggest we ought to use a single ingest process to save duplicating work (and they'd have a point!). Also, and I've only thought of this just now- if the b'cast playout has errors occasionally (and I'll admit it does from time to time) bear in mind that this is inspite of one f the very best and biggest technical broadcast output support oganisations in the world giving it their all to 'keep the needles wagging'. Doing that all over again is a second point of potential error- we are better off doing it once and doing our best to get that right, rather than trying less hard twice I would think. There will be other reasons too, hopefully this will spark an illuminating discussion, ant On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Frankie Roberto wrote: > Hi all, > > Apologies if this has been answered before, but is there any reason why the > BBC iPlayer seems to only encode programmes from the live broadcast stream, > rather than, say, using the actual master tapes/digital files? Sure, it > might be simpler, but long-term it'd be great to use the original source. > > Some reasons for doing so: > > * occasionally the live broadcast has errors (eg loss of signal, or playout > error) > * you could trim the programmes more precisely - no more having to skip the > last few minutes of previous programme > * no more "credit squeezes" and continuity announcements trailing programmes > that you can't actually watch > * you could even produce a slightly different edit of a TV show - for > example, with dramas like Doctor Who you wouldn't have text at the end > saying "Next week..." > > Are there any plans for this? Seems like it'd be the obvious next step in > improving the user experience of iPlayer... > > Frankie > > -- > Frankie Roberto > Experience Designer, Rattle > 0114 2706977 > http://www.rattlecentral.com > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: Free Transcripts on NPR.org now
ntain minor or significant > errors, ranging from the use of "ex-patriot" instead of "expatriate." > In another example, a transcriber mistakenly quoted filmmaker John > Waters as saying of former Manson follower Leslie Van Houten: "She's a > yuppie," when what he really said was, "She's not a yuppie." > > Transcript coordinators "Dorothy Hickson and Laura Jeffrey do their > best to find and correct errors but unfortunately, they cannot > proofread every piece," said Soto-Barra. "Librarians and transcript > coordinators appreciate when someone calls their attention to errors, > particularly when they involve name spellings and use of > (unintelligible)." > > categories: > > What is this? > > Share > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sunlightlabs" group. > To post to this group, send email to sunlightl...@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > sunlightlabs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/sunlightlabs?hl=en > -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Site check
is www.welcomebackstage.com down for all you guys too? a -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice]
On the subject of bootsticks (and yet changing the subject slightly to avoid any further potentially incriminating asides!) we kicked around the idea of 'The BBC ona Stick' a few years ago- a Bootable USB drive running a custom Linux install (BeeBuntu!?) with an integrated DTV tuner. The whole thing would look like a slightly fatter version of the Haupage USB tv tuners. As an idea it had a host of wonderful benefits, and almost as many potential drawbacks- delivering OS environments to the masses, getting extended use out of older PCs, potentially further energising the OS development community, allowing integration of TV and internet platforms far earlier, and with the potential for far more flexible exploitation, than.. um, you know, other stuff that might happen. Anyway it never got further than a few presentations and some interesting talks, but I thought it worth sharing, a On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Kevin Anderson wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Ant Miller wrote: >> >> Overall very impressive- there are some in the gleaming cueb who go >> further and tote a bootable ubuntu usb stick round with them (heh!). > > I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about Ant. ;-) I suggest it > highly for anyone who needs to get some work done with a computer at work. > And Jaunty is a definite step up for anyone wanting to do this. > Pendrivelinux.com has a handy guide to creating a boot CD if you don't have > access to the bios to boot from a USB stick. > > best, > k > > Kevin Anderson > > > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice]
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Re: [backstage] R&DTV launched
It's a pirate thing. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Nico Morrison wrote: > R ?? > > My curiosity is killing me - is this a Bbc code? Does it stand for > 'right' or maybe 'rong' ;) > > Nico M > > 2009/4/18 Jeremy Stone : >> R >> . >> > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] R&DTV launched
I say we interview him for R&D TV, maybe jumping over a stick and laughing so hard colcacola comes out of his nose. a On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > That guy is brilliant. I bet he can skid his bmx for a week. > > Regards, Dave > > On 11 Apr 2009, 5:27 AM, "Mr I Forrester" wrote: > > Once I get the other versions up, I'll setup the RSS feed for the > episodes. > > btw - I had to share this with the backstage list, this comment comes > from the Digg comments > > Sej7278 - > http://digg.com/tech_news/BBC_Gets_Ready_for_BitTorrent_Distribution?t=24816570#c24816570 > > "i can't believe this of the bbc - ever since they hired that > ex-microsoft exec as the chief they have been "oh you need flash 10 for > this" or "you need silverlight for that" or "you can only access this > from the uk" - always using the most bleeding-edge and vendor-locked-in > software they could find, and usually windows-only (or with some crumby > feature-poor version for mac/linux when the monopoly guys get on their > backs). > > i almost shit myself when of all things i saw an ogg theora file on an > plain old ftp server - wow no drm, a format that works on any platform, > has the bbc just done the biggest u-turn in history?! jees next we'll be > hearing that france has legalised p2p. > > well done for a change aunty." > > On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 11:16 +0100, James Montgomerie wrote: > On 9 Apr 2009, > at 22:57, Mr I Forres... -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] R&DTV launched
I'm ex archives myself (but only from 6 years back- hardly the old school) but I think I an help point you in the right direction. I'm at KW this week, then away for a few weeks, but I can make email introductions. Maybe help with interviews when I get back. a On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Dan Brickley wrote: > On 10/4/09 00:09, Ant Miller wrote: > >> Hmm, I think I know just the people to ask about that one- an episode >> on metadata, bringing in everyone from /programs to written archives, >> and not skipping over the inestimable mr Silver Oliver too- that could >> work! >> > > Yes please! I have a bit of time through the NoTube project to help chase > interviewees or ideas too. But how far back can we go? Anybody got contacts > with folk from the very early days of the BBC archive. When did things first > start being catalogued carefully, and how, etc...? > > Nearby in the Web - http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/catalogue.shtml > http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/catalogue.shtml?chapter=5 ... great > interviews, but it seems like only snippets from something perhaps longer > are online? I love hearing about the example searches people ask of the > archive, ... really stretches the capabilities of even modern metadata / > search tools, and makes you think about what must be buried in the BBC > databases if only we knew how to find it again. > > Dan > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] R&DTV launched
Hmm, I think I know just the people to ask about that one- an episode on metadata, bringing in everyone from /programs to written archives, and not skipping over the inestimable mr Silver Oliver too- that could work! a On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Dan Brickley wrote: > On 9/4/09 22:57, Mr I Forrester wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Just in case you've missed it this piece of news in the middle of a >> pretty hectic week. We launched a project called R&D TV which is a pilot >> project out of BBC Backstage and BBC RAD Labs. > > This is really great. Do you do requests? I'd love to see some interviews on > Lonclass, and how content is classified/described internally at the BBC... > (and I have a few questions :) > > cheers, > > Dan > > -- > http://danbri.org/ > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Re: Maker Faire in Newcastle
BBC Micro C21st is not about a machine per se. It's a conversation about what was the Micro 25 years ago, and what could a similar effort do for us today. It's probably time I took this out of the realm oif occasional Bar Camp chats and put up a web community looking at the whole thing, but it's social, political, and technology all together. Big ideas, well worth exploring, a On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:02 PM, J.P.Knight wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Ant Miller wrote: > >> [...] random stuff about a BBC Micro for the 21st Century. >> > > That sounds intriguing, especially to someone who spent many hours of his > school boy life installing/fixing/hacking on the first generation version. I > wonder if a dual core Intel CPU with a couple of gigs of RAM and more drive > space than existed on the plant in 1984 will work through the Tube? :-) > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] Re: Maker Faire in Newcastle
Hi all, Final uopdate before we go. The BBCWeatherBot is coming togewther nicely (he says with *everything* crossed) and we also have a coiuple of other neat little makes along too. The team now includes star researchers from Kingswood Warren and the new R&D lab that's coming together in Manchester. We aim to arrive in Newcastle Firday evening to set up, and we'll be on site on our stand all weekend, plus Ian will be hosting backstage workshops around noon (we think) on both Saturday and Sunday. We're calling them workshops, but basically if you've seen our Barcamp schtick, that's what you'll get- what backstage has been, what we hope it will be, plus I may throw in some random stuff about a BBC Micro for the 21st Century. So, hope we see lots of you there! DO come and say hi, and hopefully, we'll get to do this a lot more over the coming months! Cheers Ant On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Ant Miller wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick update on our progress- the deadline for getting in a Maker > proposal was today! (you got 5 1/4 hours so get going!) > > From the Backstage / R&D area we're sending a team of between six and eight > people, including Ian, Rain and myself, plus some of the guys from Kingswood > Warren (if you came to Mashed you may have met a few of them). Our plan is > to 'do something with weather data and little robots and maybe some sort of > RFID', and if any 'backstagers' are intertested in coming along to the event > we'd be chuffed to bits to catch up and even use a bot of your expertise. > > It's lilely we may need a bit of a hand munging feeds, writing control > routines for the robots or even just hacking the R/C toys we plan to use as > chassis for the robots, so do come along if you can. > > There'll be a proper post on the Backstage blog ina day or so, I'm blogging > at Reithian, and at some point in th enext week BBCWeatherbot.com should go > live! > > See you there! > > a > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ant Miller wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just a heads up on the forthcoming Newcastle Maker Faire: >> http://makezine.com/makerfaire/newcastle/2009/ >> >> If anyone is considering going along as a Maker with a view to do >> media hackery, and would like the sort of support we were able to >> offer at Hack Day or Mashed do let us know. >> >> I'm hoping to go myself, and a few of the guys in R&D are looking at >> it too, though this might be in a personal capacity. We're trying to >> get the TV making types interested too, which could be fun, >> >> a >> >> -- >> Ant Miller >> >> tel: 07709 265961 >> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Ant Miller > > tel: 07709 265961 > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Slightly bias view maybe?
"Harmonisation" at the European level led to a wider discrepancy last time round, with the Danes and French in particular making some extraordinarily progressive steps. It should therefore be disregarded as an effective logical argument for legislation. I'm intrigued by the SCA's moves at the moment http://www.jisc.ac.uk/contentalliance in particular the In from the Cold project: http://www.slideshare.net/stuartsw4/sca-ipr-toolkit-presentation There's a grey area here where we at the BBC have to tread carefully- on one edge is the position of objective expertise (which may have a point of view on particular policies), and at the other is the lobbying group (which may itself be a-political). Clearly the BBC ought to steer clear of the latter position, but as rights holders, audience champions, audience enabler, and a major rights buyer it would feel something of an abrogation of responsibility for us not to make a major contribution to this debate. >From an archive management point of view, my personal (and i must stress this is purely personal) opinion is that rights term extension does nothing to aid investment in archive preservation, and that if rights are to be enforced it can only be done so under an await claim framework, possibly with a recordable media tariff funding model. From where I stand, an extension of the current model would make the preservation of many archives economically unviable, and we would loose them within a decade. ant (have spent the last six years working on digitising and storing the BBC's archive) On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Rob Myers wrote: > > In fact technically changing all copyright durations to be 1 year > > would also harmonise everything.=20 > > Berne means copyrights have to be at least 50 years. > > > There is no logical reason why you > > can only harmonise upwards and not downwards. > > Governments don't want to strip people of their "property", however > worthless it may be. > > I agree with you in principle though. > > - Rob. > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
Interesting that OLPC has just gone OS! Also,: www.opensourceschools.org.uk http://www.osor.eu/news/uk-open-source-is-core-to-education http://www.141.co.uk/?p=164 On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > 2009/2/9 Richard Lockwood : > > > > If something as simple as a petition will make > > Windows free and open source, why has no-one thought of it before? > > That is not what the petition is about! :-) > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
e as most schools do, there > just aren't enough hours in the day to accomplish this. > > The cost in terms of 1) setting it all up 2) testing it 3) supporting it 4) > fixing stuff that doesn't work like it should 5) dealing with problems > related to the transition can just become extortionate, and I would also > wager that most school IT departments have their hands full enough just > keeping existing infrastructure going. The only schools that could possibly > get away with FOSS from the outset are the entirely new builds, because > there's no legacy there in terms of hardware and software requirements. > > > > Having said all of this, I am fully supportive of FOSS - and so is my Dad. > He's currently the IT advisor for education for the county council where he > now lives, and has been in the role since he left his deputy head's job. He > takes a great interest in the benefits that FOSS and hardware solutions can > bring to the education sector, and he definitely considers them on equal > footing along with proprietary solutions... As long as the levels of > support, reliability and cross-compatibility are there and at a level > appropriate to the solution being provided. He's overseen some really > massive projects in the past few years (including the Virtual Learning > Environment setup for pupils county-wide, which involves a stupendous > investment in both centralised infrastructure and software) and he's been > forced to not always choose FOSS and hardware because on analysis and > critical comparison, it doesn't provide the best cost benefit. > > I believe the sad fact is that much FOSS isn't as well or reliably > supported > where it matters because there just isn't as much money in it. Again, > chicken and the egg. How as a FOSS company are you going to maintain a > well-staffed callout team and helpdesk if the software you are providing is > essentially free? You can't justify far higher support contract charges for > that reason alone, and schools will either bring the required talent > in-house or source it locally - and bingo, just like that, your company is > out of business. > > > > Transforming a Windows school to an Ubuntu school is nigh on impossible to > achieve unless you provide a year's warning, gradually phase out use of all > Windows-only software over the course of the year, implement the massive > overhaul and platform transition during the holidays and then spend the > next > six months to a year supporting users when stuff goes wrong. Most schools > simply cannot afford to provision those kinds of resources, so they stay > put > with what they have, and that's why FOSS will never make significant > inroads > into those establishments. It would take something like Governmental > intervention to impose FOSS and OSes on schools as a mandatory element of > their funding in order for them to make the change, but it would be so > disruptive that it would probably be ignored or sidelined by many schools. > > > > I am not trying to scaremonger or FUD here, it is just my view as someone > who has gone through the system and grown up alongside the maturation of a > typical educational IT setup, and who also had the advantage of talking to > the person who helped to implement a lot of it (and still talks to the > person who now helps implement policy and infrastructure for an entire > county's worth of education!) Although perhaps flawed or coloured, I feel > it's a pragmatic, realistic view. > > > > Thoughts / opinions? Love to hear them. Maybe I'm a poor deluded misguided > fool who needs showing the error of my ways? > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
[backstage] Re: Maker Faire in Newcastle
Hi all, Just a quick update on our progress- the deadline for getting in a Maker proposal was today! (you got 5 1/4 hours so get going!) >From the Backstage / R&D area we're sending a team of between six and eight people, including Ian, Rain and myself, plus some of the guys from Kingswood Warren (if you came to Mashed you may have met a few of them). Our plan is to 'do something with weather data and little robots and maybe some sort of RFID', and if any 'backstagers' are intertested in coming along to the event we'd be chuffed to bits to catch up and even use a bot of your expertise. It's lilely we may need a bit of a hand munging feeds, writing control routines for the robots or even just hacking the R/C toys we plan to use as chassis for the robots, so do come along if you can. There'll be a proper post on the Backstage blog ina day or so, I'm blogging at Reithian, and at some point in th enext week BBCWeatherbot.com should go live! See you there! a On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ant Miller wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a heads up on the forthcoming Newcastle Maker Faire: > http://makezine.com/makerfaire/newcastle/2009/ > > If anyone is considering going along as a Maker with a view to do > media hackery, and would like the sort of support we were able to > offer at Hack Day or Mashed do let us know. > > I'm hoping to go myself, and a few of the guys in R&D are looking at > it too, though this might be in a personal capacity. We're trying to > get the TV making types interested too, which could be fun, > > a > > -- > Ant Miller > > tel: 07709 265961 > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] "free software from ground up home-grown alternative to AIR/Silverlight"
Eh? Oops, sorry. I was getting that info from the Advogato: Pyjamas page here: http://www.advogato.org/article/981.html Quote: *who - bbb..back up a bit: what's pyjamas? based on google webkit, pyjamas is a cross-browser _web_ application development API.* /Quote Confused now... a On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Fearghas McKay wrote: > > On 1 Feb 2009, at 11:23, Ant Miller wrote: > >> But forgive my utter ignorance, but since there is a layer >> of Google Web Kit underpinning this, doesn't that make it's "openess" >> a bit less "open"? > > errr WebKit is not a Google engine - it has been open sourced out of Apple, > having come out of KHTML/KJS. > >f > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] "free software from ground up home-grown alternative to AIR/Silverlight"
That sounds great- it's been troubling me for a while that the shift into rich web apps seems to have been tied to a couple of proprietary platforms. But forgive my utter ignorance, but since there is a layer of Google Web Kit underpinning this, doesn't that make it's "openess" a bit less "open"? Edit: oops just read the docs- It's under the Apache 2.0 open source license- pretty open then! huzzah! a On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > Hi, > > This is neat: > > http://www.advogato.org/article/981.html > > Cheers, > Dave > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Maker Faire in Newcastle
Hi all, Just a heads up on the forthcoming Newcastle Maker Faire: http://makezine.com/makerfaire/newcastle/2009/ If anyone is considering going along as a Maker with a view to do media hackery, and would like the sort of support we were able to offer at Hack Day or Mashed do let us know. I'm hoping to go myself, and a few of the guys in R&D are looking at it too, though this might be in a personal capacity. We're trying to get the TV making types interested too, which could be fun, a -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
It was public beta for a while, but officially it's one year old today. a On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Andy wrote: > 2008/12/11 Mr I Forrester : >> Don't forget you can all take part in the iplayer birthday celebrations. > > I'm almost certain that iPlayer was released sometime in the summer > (not December)? > archive.org has a copy of iPlayer dated 13 Oct 2007[1], it also has a > copy from Aug 07 but that doesn't load (at least not for me). > > Are you guys certain iPlayer was released in December 07, is Archive.org > wrong? > > Andy > > [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20071013100045rn_1/www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ > -- > Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. >-- Adam Heath > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Watchdog rules Project Kangaroo anti-competitive
maybe, maybe not- it appears that what is wanted is a wide array of competing offerings for commercially available content, and that basically the the PSBs, if they are going to weigh into this, had better not gang up. The PSBs do want to sell stuff- they have always made a bit of money selling on rights to alternative channels, and it's a good revenue stream. This is all about taking out the middle men (the CD/DVD distributors), and selling straight to us. The backend could still be shared I expect (I'd hope- we share shelf space, warehousing and distribution for DVDs, so why not bits?) but apparently the front ends must be disparate. However, if there is some super duper online private company selling stuff, and they agregate everything, then how will the 'powers that be' stop that? Answer, they won't. My proof- Amazon. It's there. A defacto collosus dominating huge swathes of online content sales. Eventually, the online offering of mainstream content will agregate, I think it's inevitable. The only question is who owns this behemoth- the government has apparently decided it can be anyone, bar the Public Service Broadcasters. A long tail on iPlayer is 'currently' a free to use service- and I don't know if it's engineered with either the access managment, user account managment or the revenue engines that selling stuff would require- let alone the DRM ghastlyness that most revenue generating content sites see as 'deriguer'. a [these views are my own and not my employers] On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good point about the longer tail. > > Ian Forrester > > This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable > > Senior Producer, BBC Backstage > Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > work: +44 (0)2080083965 > mob: +44 (0)7711913293 > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth > Sent: 04 December 2008 15:00 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] Watchdog rules Project Kangaroo anti-competitive > > I guess this is why Mr Highfield found he had an urgent job to go to at > Microsoft. > On the plus side, if Project Kangaroo fails, then there is a better argument > to make the iPlayer have a longer tail. > 2008/12/4 Glyn Wintle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> http://www.computing.co.uk/computing/news/2231993/project-kangaroo-under-threat >> >> >> Project Kangaroo, a video-on-demand joint venture by the BBC, ITV and >> Channel >> 4, is under threat following a ruling from the UK Competition Commission >> that >> the platform would restrict competition. >> The watchdog said that the service would create a substantial lessening of >> rivalry, and that it would be "difficult to obtain content from third >> parties to >> match [Project Kangaroo's] offer in scale or attractiveness". >> The decision follows a five-month Competition >> Commission inquiry which concluded that "material modifications" would >> need >> to be made to Project Kangaroo for it to continue running >> >> >> >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > -- > > Brian Butterworth > > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Why the poor bitrates on World Service, Asian Network etc?
Having said that, and my earlier point about low bit rates actually being better for reaching the audiences they're tyring to get to, the higher bit rates do exist. If anyone in backstage would like to suggest something we could do with better quality streams at low cost (i.e. none!) then fire away! a On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/10/21 Christopher Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> This one's a late night, in-the-kitchen thought. I turned the radio on >> while >> I was making a cup of tea and of course, after R4 closedown the WS is >> simulcast. On FM, you get a wonderful, crisp stereo feed. On DAB, the WS >> feed is fine when listening to the Radio 4 simulcast, 128kbps stereo, but >> its own dedicated slot is naff: a 64kbps mono stream. On the web, it's >> even >> worse - only streamed at 32kbps WMA/RA. AsianNetwork is 64kbps mono on DAB >> - >> even 5Live has a better bitrate (80kbps mono). > > It is probably worth pointing out that the World Service, unlike all other > BBC services is paid for out of direct taxation. Thus the service has an > even more limited budget than License Fee services, it is down to the FCO > http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-the-fco/what-we-do/funding-programmes/public-diplomacy/world-service > >> >> While I'm not a big Asian Network listener, I do live in Brum so take a >> bit >> of an interest in Asian community goings on. However, I'd quite like to >> listen to the WS during the daytime, either via the web or via DAB - how >> come the bitrates haven't been upped for these stations on the web >> streams? >> They're dragging behind the other BBC radio stations' online streams. Are >> there any plans to ever up the bandwidth of these neglected stations, >> either >> on DAB, on the web or both? I'm under the impression that the maximum >> bitrate for the multiplex is 1184kbps useable. According to >> DigitalRadioTech >> [1], the pre2002 bitrates were significantly higher (which I remember), >> and >> I can understand the reasons for lowering the bitrates to fit in the newer >> channels. The web's a different matter entirely though. What's stopping >> the >> Beeb from upping the bitrates for all the online streams to the same >> bitrate? >> >> (and will the bitrates ever go above 128kbps? I'd love a 192kbps or >> 256kbps >> stream, particularly for... Well, all of the radio stations!) >> >> >> And also, as a final question - how come the iPlayer pages for *all* of >> the >> radio stations are currently reporting each one as being currently >> off-air? >> Have the boxes doing the encoding and streaming been taken offline for >> work >> overnight or something? If someone aboard the HMS Sceptre is browsing the >> Radio 4 iPlayer site and sees that it's currently offair, they might think >> Britain is under attack and launch some Tridents at the Soviets. Wouldn't >> *that* be an interesting one for Gordon Brown to try and explain! >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > -- > > Brian Butterworth > > http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, > since 2002 > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Why the poor bitrates on World Service, Asian Network etc?
Pretty sure the bombers use AM radio to check for the ongoing existence of Broadcasting House, and Sceptre isn't a bomber (they're all V class boats). Re the WS bitrate, these are worth revisiting, but it's possible that the budget and hence the bitrate for WS is entirely seperately worked out, being as the audience and funding is seperate. Arguably a high bit rate would be counter productive for WS- the aim of the game is to reach a lot of people at the end of thin wires (or over wireless). A parallel hi bit rate service might well be a useful way to get the quality out there, but then that's a stack more cash to pay, and not really in line with the WS objectives. Personally, I feel the biggest problem for WS is figuring out which audiences to focus on- getting it wrong can be painful- the Thai service shut down three years ago, sonce when we've seen two military coups and border war flare up. Can't help wondering if anyone at Bush House is regreting handing out those redundancies. a On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Christopher Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This one's a late night, in-the-kitchen thought. I turned the radio on while > I was making a cup of tea and of course, after R4 closedown the WS is > simulcast. On FM, you get a wonderful, crisp stereo feed. On DAB, the WS > feed is fine when listening to the Radio 4 simulcast, 128kbps stereo, but > its own dedicated slot is naff: a 64kbps mono stream. On the web, it's even > worse - only streamed at 32kbps WMA/RA. AsianNetwork is 64kbps mono on DAB - > even 5Live has a better bitrate (80kbps mono). > > While I'm not a big Asian Network listener, I do live in Brum so take a bit > of an interest in Asian community goings on. However, I'd quite like to > listen to the WS during the daytime, either via the web or via DAB - how > come the bitrates haven't been upped for these stations on the web streams? > They're dragging behind the other BBC radio stations' online streams. Are > there any plans to ever up the bandwidth of these neglected stations, either > on DAB, on the web or both? I'm under the impression that the maximum > bitrate for the multiplex is 1184kbps useable. According to DigitalRadioTech > [1], the pre2002 bitrates were significantly higher (which I remember), and > I can understand the reasons for lowering the bitrates to fit in the newer > channels. The web's a different matter entirely though. What's stopping the > Beeb from upping the bitrates for all the online streams to the same > bitrate? > > (and will the bitrates ever go above 128kbps? I'd love a 192kbps or 256kbps > stream, particularly for... Well, all of the radio stations!) > > > And also, as a final question - how come the iPlayer pages for *all* of the > radio stations are currently reporting each one as being currently off-air? > Have the boxes doing the encoding and streaming been taken offline for work > overnight or something? If someone aboard the HMS Sceptre is browsing the > Radio 4 iPlayer site and sees that it's currently offair, they might think > Britain is under attack and launch some Tridents at the Soviets. Wouldn't > *that* be an interesting one for Gordon Brown to try and explain! > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
