Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Matthew Somerville
Andy wrote: Has anyone here heard of something called email? Oh you have have you? Well that works cross platform, guess how that was made cross platform? well the IETF did something exceptionally simple they posted the spec on a web site. That's rather odd, given that the specs. for email of

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread vijay chopra
On 30/10/2007, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However it's nowhere near as simple as just copying the files and burning them to DVD ... My point? it's not always as easy to take an off air broadcast and put it online. I see you've never tried Myth TV, my box is in the process

RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Andrew Bowden
My point? it's not always as easy to take an off air broadcast and put it online. I see you've never tried Myth TV I have, briefly. I especially liked seeing it run the BBCi service on it :) However that's following the simple matter of installing the thing. Last time I tried Myth TV

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread David Greaves
I'll reverse these comments :) Andrew Bowden wrote: I have a PVR which has a USB port on it - which is great cos I can take files off the PVR if I want to and keep a copy of them. However it's nowhere near as simple as just copying the files and burning them to DVD thanks to the fact that

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread dantes inferno
I think the point made is a philosophical one or approach - incremental rollout is obviously one way - but a decision to design something for the main 3 platforms at the start is another way - as was said, using Java and open APIs - even a layman would think that the BBC approach is eccentric, I

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread David Greaves
Andrew Bowden wrote: I'd like to, cos my TV capture card might get some Linuxy usage then. But I haven't got the time or desire to try and set it up. If you find the desire then I'll try and help. David - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
On 10/29/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 29 October 2007 18:47, Dave Crossland wrote: ... Asking people to agree not share with friends and betray their community is evil :-( No, it's not. Yes it is. Not sharing is a bad thing. If I had a bag of sweets, and

RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Andrew Bowden
In the BBCs case - as they are using public funds they need to include everyone as an upfront design decision Believe me, people in the BBC do - across the organisation and on a variety of projects. Sometimes things are done for everyone at once, but sometimes you have to stagger launches.

[backstage] Transcript: Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread ~ : '' ありがとうございました 。
Ian Ashley, given the BBCs commitment to Accessibility, did I miss something? where's the transcript? what percentage of 'iplayer' content will have a text equivalent? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet apologies for dupe, hadn't appreciated

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
Its a bit like saying we'll design a transport system for able-bodied people first (as they are the majority) - and gradually roll out to others - this is also thought to be morally wrong, as well as a poor design decision. No - it's like designing a transport system, then later on

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Michael Sparks
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 11:24, dantes inferno wrote: Its a bit like saying we'll design a transport system for able-bodied people first (as they are the majority) - and gradually roll out to others That's _exactly_ what we have with public transport. Michael. - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Michael Sparks
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 10:35, Richard Lockwood wrote: .. Not sharing is a bad thing.  If I had a bag of sweets, and didn't hand them round my friends, that would be wrong Dave said: Asking people to agree not share with friends ... is evil Sharing is axiomatically good in our society at

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Tom Loosemore
My point? it's not always as easy to take an off air broadcast and put it online. I see you've never tried Myth TV, my box is in the process of being built, the only thing stopping me is cash for my ridiculesly over-specced box; not difficulty. Plucking signals straight out of the air and

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Michael Sparks
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 13:04, Tom Loosemore wrote: I've commissioned several generations of such multi-channel DVB - Web systems both inside and outside the BBC. http://kamaelia.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/kamaelia/trunk/Code/Python/Kamaelia/Examples/DVB_Systems/Macro.py?view=markup

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30/10/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/29/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 29 October 2007 18:47, Dave Crossland wrote: ... Asking people to agree not share with friends and betray

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
On 10/30/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007 10:35, Richard Lockwood wrote: .. Not sharing is a bad thing. If I had a bag of sweets, and didn't hand them round my friends, that would be wrong Dave said: Asking people to agree not share with friends

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
Dave doesn't mean sharing. Dave means stealing and redistributing for free. When he says sharing, Dave always means stealing. Dave wants everything for nothing. This is simply untrue: non-commercial redistribution allow a lot of scope for business, without trampling friendship,

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Andy
On 30/10/2007, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you'll be glad to hear that Windows DRM uses the non-proprietary elliptic curve, DES, RC4 and SHA1, then? Can you point me to the open standard for Windows DRM then, so that I might perform a security analysis? As we all know

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Andy
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was making the point that copying someone else's work when they've specifically asked you not to, and giving it away is theft - it is NOT sharing. That's odd, the theft act states: A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread vijay chopra
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: copying someone else's work when they've specifically asked you not to, and giving it away is theft - it is NOT sharing. Rich. Actually, that's copyright infringement, not theft; big difference, one's a criminal act, the other is a

Yet another argument about digital rights (was Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview)

2007-10-30 Thread Steve Jolly
Andy wrote: Copyright Infringement is NOT theft, theft is theft, copyright infringement is copyright infringement. They are covered by entirely separate laws, they are described differently in the law, and the actions themselves differ greatly. How can educated people confuse the two? I

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
On 10/30/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007 14:07, Richard Lockwood wrote: It should also be made clear that that quote from me has been usedcompletely out of context - I didn't mean to quote you out of context - my apologies. I thought they were two

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread vijay chopra
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's rubbish. Utter, utter rubbish. You copy a CD and give it to your mate, that's all about money - or rather it's all about not wanting to pay money. Your friend may think that CD's overpriced and so wouldn't pay the (say)

Re: Yet another argument about digital rights (was Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview)

2007-10-30 Thread vijay chopra
As I said in a previous email, as well as the legal differences, there is a big ethical difference; with one I don't deprive the original owner of use of their property the other is theft. Vijay. On 30/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy wrote: Copyright Infringement is NOT

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
That's rubbish. Utter, utter rubbish. You copy a CD and give it to your mate, that's all about money - or rather it's all about not wanting to pay money. Your friend may think that CD's overpriced and so wouldn't pay the (say) ten quid asking price, but he wants it badly enough to

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morally, I have no problem with people knocking up mix tapes, samplers etc to give to their mates. ... Unless the creator of a work specifically grants you the right to copy that work, you don't have that right. End of. This is

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave doesn't mean sharing. Dave means stealing and redistributing for free. When he says sharing, Dave always means stealing. Dave wants everything for nothing. This is simply untrue: non-commercial redistribution allow