Re: [backstage] iPlayer: (Not Available)

2010-09-14 Thread Anthony McKale
Lol that was proberly a change I did :) They're always been unavailable, before they were just greyed out I think, now the new design asked for the not available text to beside them as well On 13/09/2010 19:01, Jonathan Chetwynd j.chetw...@btinternet.com wrote: iPlayer: (Not Available) can

RE: [backstage] iPlayer: (Not Available)

2010-09-14 Thread Andrew Bowden
iPlayer: (Not Available) can anyone (from the BBC?) explain why** the all new beta iPlayer TV channels are stuffed with programs that are (Not Available)? I don't work on web iPlayer but non-available programmes have been included for ages in the channel view, and when we did the

RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To be honest, I'm unconvinced by Project Canvas. It's difficult to see how a UK only system is going to compete in this day and age. What does it do that a Google TV box can't do? Why would a manufacturer make a Canvas box instead of something that

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:22, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The systems in a UK TV reciever are different to those of a French one, of a German one, of a USA one Are you honestly saying that a DVB-T receiver bought today in Germany won't work in France or the UK? Yes, the US

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:35, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: Are you honestly saying that a DVB-T receiver bought today in Germany won't work in France or the UK? Yes, the US won't use DVB because it wasn't invented there and there are some slight

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:41, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: It should work.  But not everything will work.  The EPG probably won't, nor the Now and Next.  You're unlikely to get traditional teletext. And if you're German, you won't get the menus in German. As a German would

RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:41, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: It should work.  But not everything will work.  The EPG probably won't, nor the Now and Next.  You're unlikely to get traditional teletext. And if you're German, you

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:43, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: As I said, it'll work in a basic generic fashion, but there are many many aspects which vary between countries, including the EPG and Red Button. Which doesn't help the consumer at all. If I buy an ATSC TV in the New York and

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:41, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:22, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The systems in a UK TV reciever are different to those of a French one, of a German one, of a USA one

RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Andrew Bowden wrote: It should work. But not everything will work. The EPG probably won't, nor the Now and Next. You're unlikely to get traditional teletext. And if you're German, you won't get the menus in German. As a German would you buy a UK set top box? As a Brit

RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Gareth Davis
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 14 September 2010 09:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium It should work. But not everything will work. The EPG probably

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread David Tomlinson
On 13/09/2010 23:11, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 21:22, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: The Google TV box (Logitech Revue) is an addition to your set top box, so it does not integrate with Free To Air TV and may be unable to access UK catch-up

RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Andrew Bowden
I think you might be surprised Andrew how well DVB kit works across Europe from the larger manufacturers. The LCD screens we have in the office are an EU wide model that asks you for the country and language first time you switch them on, and because they are an EU wide design give us

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:21, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: On 13/09/2010 23:11, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: The distributors already use GeoIP or billing addresses to attempt to restrict access on the internet to services (including the BBC), and while iplayer, ITV

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:34, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: I think that until we start seeing manufacturers piping up saying that they're going to start supporting Canvas in devices I can pop down to Tesco and buy it's too early to say that Canvas will

RE: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Alex Cockell
I agree with you entirely, Paul. Btw, did folks here see my recent posts to the gets even better and scaling blogs? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/09/bbc_iplayer_gets_even_better.html - mine are near the bottom.

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:08, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: Given the specs haven't been finished yet, it's the preserve of precisely nobody _right now_. True, but I still would have expected at least one of the big manufacturers to be on board by now. Failing that, even someone like

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:38, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: Why would a manufacturer make a Canvas box instead of something that they can sell in most of the world (or even all of the world with the right components)? Why would a manufacturer make a Freesat box instead of something that they can

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:42, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:08, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: Given the specs haven't been finished yet, it's the preserve of precisely nobody _right now_. True, but I still would have

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:50, Stephen Jolly st...@jollys.org wrote: On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:38, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: Why would a manufacturer make a Canvas box instead of something that they can sell in most of the world (or even all of the world with the right components)? Why

Re: [backstage] Canvas - Open Source Consortium

2010-09-14 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:51, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:42, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 13:08, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: Well, widespread support from the industry:

[backstage] HDCP RIP

2010-09-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
Seems like that very silly almost-content-protection system HDCP is no more... http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/14/hdcp-master-key-supposedly-released-unlocks-hdtv-copy-protect/ Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: @briantist http://twitter.com/briantist web: ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv -

Re: [backstage] HDCP RIP

2010-09-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 15:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Seems like that very silly almost-content-protection system HDCP is no more... http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/14/hdcp-master-key-supposedly-released-unlocks-hdtv-copy-protect/ Fear not! I'm sure HDCP+ will be along

[backstage] RD Technologist (Machine Inference)

2010-09-14 Thread Sam Davies
Hi. The Archives Research section in BBC RD is currently recruiting a new technologist specialising in Machine Inference Techniques, which may be of interest to some people here. The role is part of our Multimedia Classification project which looks to extract semantic information from AV

Re: [backstage] HDCP RIP

2010-09-14 Thread Alex Cockell
Yeah, but in the meantime HWAAAH HWAAH HWAAH!!! *HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER* Alex - Original message - On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 15:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Seems like that very silly almost-content-protection system HDCP is no more...

Re: [backstage] HDCP RIP

2010-09-14 Thread Ant Miller
For all it's flaws I think there was a decent model at the heart of it. It did describe a model of media use that made sense, that described the reasonable expectations of use of the ordinary user, and the ... oh, no wait, I'm thinking of something else. Don't mind me. a On Tue, Sep 14, 2010

Re: [backstage] HDCP RIP

2010-09-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 14 September 2010 17:12, Ant Miller ant.mil...@gmail.com wrote: For all it's flaws I think there was a decent model at the heart of it. It did describe a model of media use that made sense, that described the reasonable expectations of use of the ordinary user, and the ... oh, no wait,