Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-11 Thread Michael Stowe
On 2021-02-11 05:45, G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote: Hi there, On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: Michael Stowe wrote at about 20:50:45 + on Wednesday, February 10, 2021: > On 2021-02-09 16:34, G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote: > > Not sure if you

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-11 Thread G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users
Hi there, On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: Michael Stowe wrote at about 20:50:45 + on Wednesday, February 10, 2021: > On 2021-02-09 16:34, G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: > > > >> G.W. Haywood

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-10 Thread backuppc
Michael Stowe wrote at about 20:50:45 + on Wednesday, February 10, 2021: > On 2021-02-09 16:34, G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: > > > >> G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote at about 14:26:30 + on > >>

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-10 Thread Michael Stowe
On 2021-02-09 16:34, G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote: Hi there, On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote at about 14:26:30 + on Friday, February 5, 2021: > > [Red Hat is] dropping BTRFS because they can't support it in the way they'd >

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-09 Thread G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users
Hi there, On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote at about 14:26:30 + on Friday, February 5, 2021: > > [Red Hat is] dropping BTRFS because they can't support it in the way they'd > like to for their commercial customers. That's because it's

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-08 Thread backuppc
G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote at about 14:26:30 + on Friday, February 5, 2021: > > I'm using CentOS, and it looks like Red Hat is dropping btrfs ... > > They're dropping BTRFS because they can't support it in the way they'd > like to for their commercial customers. That's

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-07 Thread G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users
Hi there, On Sun, 7 Feb 2021, Les Mikesell wrote: ... I have had several drive hardware failures and one instance of one port on a powered USB hub going bad with intermittent failures causing disc corruption. Glad you mentioned that. There's a seven port hub here which has duct tape stuck

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:38 AM G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote: > Frankly I don't know. Like Mr. Mikesell I've had good experience with > the tools for EXT4, but my wife has managed to trash at least one EXT4 > partition by simply plugging a USB device into a powered USB hub which > at

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-06 Thread G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users
Hi there, On Fri, 5 Feb 2021, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: So what filesystem is safest to run over USB? Frankly I don't know. Like Mr. Mikesell I've had good experience with the tools for EXT4, but my wife has managed to trash at least one EXT4 partition by simply plugging a USB device

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 2:00 PM Robert Trevellyan < robert.trevell...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 2:41 PM Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:25 PM Robert Trevellyan >> wrote: >> >> > I'm pretty sure my Ubuntu systems are not using FUSE to access ZFS. If >> that

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Robert Trevellyan
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 2:41 PM Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:25 PM Robert Trevellyan > wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure my Ubuntu systems are not using FUSE to access ZFS. If > that means I have to trust the lawyers for Canonical as to the legality of > using ZFS on Ubuntu, so be

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread backuppc
Les Mikesell wrote at about 13:40:00 -0600 on Friday, February 5, 2021: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:25 PM Robert Trevellyan > wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure my Ubuntu systems are not using FUSE to access ZFS. If > > that means I have to trust the lawyers for Canonical as to the legality of

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:25 PM Robert Trevellyan wrote: > I'm pretty sure my Ubuntu systems are not using FUSE to access ZFS. If that > means I have to trust the lawyers for Canonical as to the legality of using > ZFS on Ubuntu, so be it. https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/13/zfs_linux/

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Robert Trevellyan
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:34 PM Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:02 PM Robert Trevellyan > wrote: > > > Problematic in what way? It's been silky smooth for me with Ubuntu. > > Because it is not GPL and the kernel has a restriction against linking > anything that can't be

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:02 PM Robert Trevellyan wrote: > Problematic in what way? It's been silky smooth for me with Ubuntu. Because it is not GPL and the kernel has a restriction against linking anything that can't be distributed under the GPL. So, you either have the overhead of FUSE or

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Doug Lytle
>>> Problematic in what way? It's been silky smooth for me with Ubuntu >From what I've read, ZFS on Linux is not GPL compliant. Doug ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Robert Trevellyan
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:53 PM Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 11:45 AM Robert Trevellyan > wrote: > > > > > Is there any reason not to choose ZFS? Even without redundancy, you'll > at least know if it's corrupted. > > ZFS on Linux is always problematic because Linus wants it to

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 11:45 AM Robert Trevellyan wrote: > > Is there any reason not to choose ZFS? Even without redundancy, you'll at > least know if it's corrupted. ZFS on Linux is always problematic because Linus wants it to be. Ext4 is the path of least resistance and I've always found its

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Robert Trevellyan
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:34 PM wrote: > G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote at about 14:44:57 + on Friday, > February 5, 2021: > > Hi there, > > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:05 PM wrote: > > > > > > > ... Snapshots have also

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread backuppc
G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote at about 14:44:57 + on Friday, February 5, 2021: > Hi there, > > On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:05 PM wrote: > > > > > ... Snapshots have also saved me when I have run across the occasional > > >

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread Michael Stowe
On 2021-02-05 06:26, G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users wrote: Hi there, On Thu, 4 Feb 2021, Kenneth Porter wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2021, backuppc@kosowsky wrote: > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > > I'm deploying a system with an external (USB) 1.5 TB drive. How should I > > format

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users
Hi there, On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 Les Mikesell wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:05 PM wrote: > ... Snapshots have also saved me when I have run across the occasional > backuppc gremlin of disappearing files in that I can find the cpool > file and revert it from past snapshots. Are you sure that

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-05 Thread G.W. Haywood via BackupPC-users
Hi there, On Thu, 4 Feb 2021, Kenneth Porter wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2021, backuppc@kosowsky wrote: > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > > I'm deploying a system with an external (USB) 1.5 TB drive. How should I > > format it? (Ie. which filesystem is best for this?) > > I just built

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-04 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:05 PM wrote: > > Also, I find btrfs snapshots to be very valuable. Especially, if I am > messing/playing around with backuppc... that way I can easily revert > if I mess something up... > > Snapshots have also saved me when I have run across the occasional > backuppc

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-04 Thread backuppc
Michael Stowe wrote at about 03:57:34 + on Friday, February 5, 2021: > On 2021-02-04 16:27, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > --On Thursday, February 04, 2021 5:13 PM +0100 Alexander Kobel > > wrote: > > > >> Distro support is a serious thing to consider. In general, backuppc > >> will > >>

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-04 Thread Michael Stowe
On 2021-02-04 16:27, Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Thursday, February 04, 2021 5:13 PM +0100 Alexander Kobel wrote: Distro support is a serious thing to consider. In general, backuppc will happily work with whatever is the default file system of your distribution. For CentOS and RedHat, XFS is

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-04 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Thursday, February 04, 2021 5:13 PM +0100 Alexander Kobel wrote: Distro support is a serious thing to consider. In general, backuppc will happily work with whatever is the default file system of your distribution. For CentOS and RedHat, XFS is the obvious choice, and BTRFS will not give

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-04 Thread Alexander Kobel
Hi, On 2/4/21 5:02 AM, Kenneth Porter wrote: On 2/3/2021 6:54 PM, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: I just built backuppc for my Raspberry PI and ordered an external SSD drive that I plan to format in btrfs. I'm using CentOS, and it looks like Red Hat is dropping btrfs in favor of other

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-03 Thread Kenneth Porter
On 2/3/2021 6:54 PM, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote: I just built backuppc for my Raspberry PI and ordered an external SSD drive that I plan to format in btrfs. I'm using CentOS, and it looks like Red Hat is dropping btrfs in favor of other filesystems:

Re: [BackupPC-users] Which filesystem for external backup drive?

2021-02-03 Thread backuppc
Kenneth Porter wrote at about 18:11:05 -0800 on Wednesday, February 3, 2021: > I'm deploying a system with an external (USB) 1.5 TB drive. How should I > format it? (Ie. which filesystem is best for this?) I expect to mount it to > /mnt/BackupPC and then loopback mount a subdirectory to