Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-21 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan said that Muawiyyah wasn't a pious man and questioned the sincerity of his conversion and therefore his status as a companion. Those certainly aren't Sunni

Re: 9/11 revisited

2010-10-21 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv As far as the government actually physically setting up bombs to go off right before planes they sent to be flown into the towers, no there isn't any real good evidence for that at all. But there are some interesting things about the tragedy. In 2000, a document

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-21 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would point out that in the history of Sunni-Shia polemics it is actually very common for Shias to argue from Sunni sources. Rhetorically it can come off as a neat trick Dear Gilberto, Is it a 'trick' or merely reflective of the fact that the evidence is on their

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-21 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think this conversation is interesting. I'm not Sunni or Shi'a, but I think both narratives have merit. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would point out that in the history of Sunni-Shia polemics

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-21 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think these links can help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a_view_of_the_Sahaba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a_view_of_Aisha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a_view_of_Abu_Bakr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a_view_of_Umar

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-21 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: G:  For example Ghadeer Khum is in the Sunni hadith collections too and Sunnis largely agree with Shias on the outward facts, but with a very different understanding. In terms of the current

Re: What went Terribly Wrong? (was: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot)

2010-10-21 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv No. They agree that certain words were said which Shia INTERPRET one way, and Sunnis INTERPRET another. Why don't you share with us exactly what those words were? The comment is not really true or illuminating. It is true that the Wahhabis adhere to the Hanbali