Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 16. 02. 2022 v 15:04 +0100:
> Is the "plan" a bit clearer for you now?
Thank you, sounds much more positive this way.
I'd still call it more an "outline" than a "plan", but I can see
potential for the development mentoring in that too, so I can imagine
we can
Hi Kendy,
On 16/02/2022 14:34, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
In other words, my view is that the "let's first hire 2 developers, and
then see" approach is irresponsible, and we should have a plan first.
I would agree with you if that were the case.
The bullet points of the proposal already presented
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 16. 02. 2022 v 11:16 +0100:
> It would be great if members of the board of directors, with their
> TDF
> hat on, would explain clearly why they seem to be opposed to
> employing
> in-house developers.
I have never said I am opposed (and never said I'm
Hi Kendy,
On 16/02/2022 09:52, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Út 15. 02. 2022 v 17:09 +0100:
And to conclude: the easiest way to convince me (and likely others)
on
the board that a proposal is a good idea - is to make your case
properly with a well-researched writeup.
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Út 15. 02. 2022 v 17:09 +0100:
> > And to conclude: the easiest way to convince me (and likely others)
> > on
> > the board that a proposal is a good idea - is to make your case
> > properly with a well-researched writeup.
>
> Could you please forward to me the
On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 12:47 +0100, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> Hi Caolán,
>
> thanks for your feedback.
>
> On 14/02/2022 21:49, Caolán McNamara wrote:
> > I think at least some of the push back is less against the concept
> > that TDF should hire developers and more that it's a clearer path
> > to
Hi all,
On 15/02/2022 15:50, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi *,
Cor Nouws wrote:
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 15/02/2022 12:47:
Now that we know we want in-house developers, the team and the ...
It is recognized that in-house developers (...) may be a (partial) solution
some of the issues we face.
Hi *,
Cor Nouws wrote:
> Paolo Vecchi wrote on 15/02/2022 12:47:
>
> > Now that we know we want in-house developers, the team and the ...
>
> It is recognized that in-house developers (...) may be a (partial) solution
> some of the issues we face.
>
Yeah it is a bit annoying, having to
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 15/02/2022 12:47:
Now that we know we want in-house developers, the team and the
...
It is recognized that in-house developers (...) may be a (partial)
solution some of the issues we face.
So I really look forward to the proposal you are working on that will
address
Hi Caolán,
thanks for your feedback.
On 14/02/2022 21:49, Caolán McNamara wrote:
I think at least some of the push back is less against the concept that
TDF should hire developers and more that it's a clearer path to start
with some specific problems and then what options could solve them and
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 18:12 +0100, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> Hi Kendy,
>
> On 14/02/2022 16:42, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>
>
> >
> > In my world [regardless of the hat], a constructive debate is much
> > easier over a document collecting:
> >
> > * the problem statement & the need
> > * the pros &
Hi Kendy,
On 14/02/2022 16:42, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke píše v Po 14. 02. 2022 v 15:29 +0100:
but maybe it would be great, if you could stop to pick on someone.
It seemed your only intention on this topic is to control (with your
non-TDF-hat on) everything.
That is
Hi Kendy,
On 14/02/2022 14:40, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Pá 11. 02. 2022 v 16:11 +0100:
As I started the proposal I'm very happy to work with Sophie and
Hossein
to complement the proposal with the useful feedback we received in
this
thread.
Perfect, I am looking
Hi Kendy, all,
Am 14.02.22 um 16:42 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke píše v Po 14. 02. 2022 v 15:29 +0100:
but maybe it would be great, if you could stop to pick on someone.
It seemed your only intention on this topic is to control (with your
non-TDF-hat on) everything.
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke píše v Po 14. 02. 2022 v 15:29 +0100:
> but maybe it would be great, if you could stop to pick on someone.
>
> It seemed your only intention on this topic is to control (with your
> non-TDF-hat on) everything.
>
> That is not a cooperative behavior.
I've told it in
Hi Ilmari,
Thank you for your answers, lots of great stuff! Just two notes:
Ilmari Lauhakangas píše v So 12. 02. 2022 v 23:30 +0200:
> > * How to make sure they don't compete with other open source
> > projects,
> >or the ecosystem companies?
>
> Trust the more experienced staff members
Hi Kendy,
I'm not Paolo,
but maybe it would be great, if you could stop to pick on someone.
It seemed your only intention on this topic is to control (with your
non-TDF-hat on) everything.
That is not a cooperative behavior.
Regards,
Andreas
Am 14.02.22 um 14:40 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:
Hi
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Pá 11. 02. 2022 v 16:11 +0100:
> As I started the proposal I'm very happy to work with Sophie and
> Hossein
> to complement the proposal with the useful feedback we received in
> this
> thread.
Perfect, I am looking forward to an ODT that we can then collectively
Hi Ilmari,
thanks a lot for your contributions.
In the next few days I'll prepare a document with Sophie and Hossein
combining also your comments so that we can start moving forward with a
concrete plan and a job description.
I see that you are joining Heiko in proposing to employ a web
On 10.2.2022 23.46, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Italo,
Italo Vignoli píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 18:28 +0100:
I would have applauded a reaction to the message that has opened
this
thread which was integrating the proposal with some additional
thoughts
and suggestions, to specify which could be the
Hi Kendy,
On 10/02/2022 22:46, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Michael, please - would you be willing to further your (and Sophie's)
idea in form of a document that can be discussed as a whole,
particularly how the details together fit the TDF mission?
I think Michael provided very relevant feedback in
Hi Kendy,
thanks for sharing your thoughts/concerns!
On 10/02/2022 22.46, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
I have expressed elsewhere in this thread that I am a proponent of
hiring more development mentors rather than generic developers; so it
is hard for me to get excited about this proposal.
Also I
Hi Michael, all,
On 10/02/2022 17.53, Michael Meeks wrote:
There is a huge amount of need around LibreOffice development. It
is easy to find a hundred different "top priority" issues each dear to
the heart of a user, each user convinced that if only we had eg. 'Reveal
Codes' in writer
Hi all!
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:45 PM sophi wrote:
>
> Their is even no written proposal at the moment, but only a discussion
> on the pros and cons and what it could bring to the project. But it
> seems impossible to discuss because the ecosystem companies won't allow it.
>
And yet it seems
On 10.02.2022 17:56, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Hi Michael (W.),
I absolutely agree with what you wrote.
My deepest thank you for being so open-minded!
On 10/02/2022 16.31, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 2/10/22 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Of course, in case the main intention were for TDF to provide
On 10.02.2022 17:53, Michael Meeks wrote:
Hi Michael, all,
It seems reasonable to explore what people should be hired to do -
before hiring them =) That has the benefit of working out what skills
are needed in the job advert and/or interview process for example. The
'discussion' here
On 10.02.2022 17:44, sophi wrote:
Hi Sophie, hi all,
And I feel the same. Hiring developers is not the only way forward,
it's one of them. We, as members, knows the ecosystem companies have
needs and I (for myself) understand perfectly the market pressure. But
here, as a member of TDF, we
On 2/10/22 17:27, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
reaching a consensus on this very simple point. If the discussion
stays
as such, I have to say that I don't feel I am represented - as a TDF
Member - by any member of the just elected board
On 2/10/22 17:53, Michael Meeks wrote:
It would be deeply unfortunate if the above was read as questioning
the legitimacy and composition of the new board - and that before they
have been seated and/or taken a single decision. It would be good to
clarify that reading.
I am not
Hi Italo,
thanks for your reply.
On 10/02/2022 16.31, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 2/10/22 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Of course, in case the main intention were for TDF to provide more
business-like services (like an LTS version or creating an impression
of "donate a certain amount of money
Hi Italo,
On 10/02/2022 15:31, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 2/10/22 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
I have the impression that a fundamentally important question is what
the purpose/task of TDF-internal developers would be.
Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
reaching
Hi Kendy,
Le 10/02/2022 à 17:27, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
Hi Italo,
Italo Vignoli píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 16:31 +0100:
Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
reaching a consensus on this very simple point. If the discussion
stays
as such, I have to say that I don't
Hi Italo,
Italo Vignoli píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 16:31 +0100:
> Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
> reaching a consensus on this very simple point. If the discussion
> stays
> as such, I have to say that I don't feel I am represented - as a TDF
> Member - by any
Thank you for your support Michael!
I confirm that my proposal does not contemplate at all offering LTS
version or any other services in exchange for donations.
Ciao
Paolo
On 10/02/2022 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Hi all,
On 08/02/2022 17.01, sophi wrote:
Le 07/02/2022 à 19:16, Paolo
Hi all,
On 08/02/2022 17.01, sophi wrote:
Le 07/02/2022 à 19:16, Paolo Vecchi a écrit :
* Members of the ecosystem and others also suggested that we should
spend more money in development
* Bugs, a11y issues and features can be harder to taken care of by
volunteers and are not
Thank you Sophie!
Having also feedback from the members of the Team is very important for
me as you'll have to deal with your new colleagues as well ;-)
Please do reach out saying openly what you see right and/or wrong in
this proposal so that you can help the board in making the right
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