Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-24 Thread Dave Land
Dan, OK, I agree that we cannot stop all terrorist-type activities. But, I think it is a reasonable long term stretch goal to reduce terrorists to just another type of criminal...without the ability to alter society. First of all, I'd like to commend both you and my old friend Nick for carrying on

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Then this does not do any of you credit. When Jerry Falwell was spreading Vince Foster conspiracy theories he was condemned by many leaders of the conservative movement - including _both_ The National Review and _The Weekly Standard_, the two most important conservative magazines.

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Me >> The Fool >> Maybe others >> >> >> xponent >> It's Fishy Maru >> rob > > Then this does not do any of you credit. When Jerry > Falwell was spreading Vince Foster conspiracy theories > he was condemned by many leaders

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Julia Thompson
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 06:55 PM 10/24/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: > >> I kind of hope the sox's win (that is kind of like you > >> admitting you might vote for Kerry) so the boston fans can stop > whinning and get on > >> with their lives. Understand I am not into cosmic implicatio

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > > > What the ((*& is going on with the Red Sox > defense > > There are _high schoolers_ who could make plays > that > > these guys are botching. I mean, really, what the > hell? > > Yeah. Sheesh! > > The totally in

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a common thread, Gautam, let me help you see > it. Planning: > Saudi's and some others, Saudi in charge. > Financing: Saudi. Terrorists > involved 15 Saudis, 4 others. There's another common thread, Doug, let me help _you_ find it. Not

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > What the ((*& is going on with the Red Sox defense > There are _high schoolers_ who could make plays that > these guys are botching. I mean, really, what the hell? Yeah. Sheesh! The totally insane thing is that they won the game as well as they did! (I'm not not

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: I'm going to take these as one. The most important figure in the 9/11 attacks (other than Bin Laden) was Egyptian. I don't see you declaring that we attack Egypt. Zacarias Moussoui is German. Why arne't you calling for us to attack Germany? It is true that 15 of the 19 hijackers

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Me > The Fool > Maybe others > > > xponent > It's Fishy Maru > rob Then this does not do any of you credit. When Jerry Falwell was spreading Vince Foster conspiracy theories he was condemned by many leaders of the conservative movement - includi

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This statement: >> >> Which President has policies that serve the Saudis >> again? Or is it possible, just possible, that maybe >> certain policies can be products of honest >> differences, instead of assuming that everyone w

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
Julia Thompson wrote: > > Oh, and speaking of omens -- when's the last Redskins home game before > Election Day? > The Skins are scheduled to lose next Sunday. xponent Uh Huh Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread David Brin
> It strikes me as a fair reading of Dr. Brin's > comments to this List for > some time now - that Republicans are enemies of the > United States, and > Republican policies are never the product of > rational thought, but are > instead the product of this enmity. Yes it strikes you that way, bec

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-24 Thread Bryon Daly
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:25:44 -0400, Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (See spreadsheet at: http://users.rcn.com/daly5/EVbalance.xls) Doh! It's: http://users.rcn.com/daly5/ECbalance.xls ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-24 Thread Bryon Daly
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:53:31 -0400, John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 03:53 AM 10/24/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote: > >> 2) It forces attention on small States. For example, a lot of attention > >> is being given to Iowa and New Mexico in this election cycle. Under a > >> proportion

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis) > > Byron, I honestly can't tell from your comments here

Re: mission to the sun

2004-10-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
Ray Moses wrote: > > > From: Ray Moses > Sent: Sun 10/24/2004 9:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: mission to the sun > > > 40 years ago I worked on the Apollo/Saturn. One of the things we > proposed at that time was sending an appropriately modified capsule >

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 08:25 PM 10/24/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: >> It strikes me as a fair reading of Dr. Brin's comments to this List for >> some time now - that Republicans are enemies of the United States, and >> Republican policies are never the product of rational thought, but are >> instead the product of

Re: What's a legal order?

2004-10-24 Thread Kanandarqu
>Gautam >wanted all of the reservists "hanging from the >yardarm" (he's a Marine, and I think really enjoys >playing to the stereotypes), and the other four all >thought that they should be spending a long, long, >long time in Leavenworth. Four of them did express >concerns over the way that the

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > >>conflict can > > be overcome by more tolerance and examining of our > > own faults > > I'm not even sure they are liberal principles... ;-) > > I'm not aware of a political theory or religion that > subscribes to them. > > N

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 08:25 PM 10/24/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: >John wrote: > >> It strikes me as a fair reading of Dr. Brin's comments to this List for >> some time now - that Republicans are enemies of the United States, and >> Republican policies are never the product of rational thought, but are >> instead

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Many of the doubts that hover over Sullivan's case for Kerry are rooted in the value system widely shared among Democrats: Most people are basically good; wars are caused not by evil motives but by misunderstandings that can be talked out; conflict can be overcome by more tole

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: It strikes me as a fair reading of Dr. Brin's comments to this List for some time now - that Republicans are enemies of the United States, and Republican policies are never the product of rational thought, but are instead the product of this enmity. He has repeatedly indicted the Bush a

RE: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out what's going on with > the Cardinals > bats and pitching. Honest, their pitchers aren't > great, but they > aren't *that* bad. I can't believe all the walks > and > hit-by-pitches. > > Can't wait to get back to St. Lou

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jim Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He's pitched the heck out the postseason. And once > they came up with the idea of stitching the ankle > sheath, he overcame that one bad start. > > The only thing I'd be concerned about if I were > Schilling is the long term effect of the sutures. >

RE: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Horn, John
> Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda > > What the ((*& is going on with the Red Sox defense > There are _high schoolers_ who could make plays that > these guys are botching. I mean, really, what the hell? I'm still trying to figure out what's going on with the Cardinals bats and pitching. Honest, th

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
Gautam Mukunda wrote: >Schilling is going to go to the hall of fame on the strength of >two postseasons (not that he might not deserve it anyways, just >that these two complete the argument), and for the first time, I'm >going to say fine, this is like nothing I've ever seen. Wow. He's pitche

Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 05:38 PM 10/24/2004 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >As to stem cell research. There is simply no question that Bush's policy is >hindering advances. I sit on many committees at my medical school and the >frustration and anger about what this policy cannot be adequately described. As >I may h

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:55 PM 10/24/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: >> I kind of hope the sox's win (that is kind of like you >> admitting you might vote for Kerry) so the boston fans can stop whinning and get on >> with their lives. Understand I am not into cosmic implications (although I >> wonder if a red sox

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:53 AM 10/24/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote: >> 2) It forces attention on small States. For example, a lot of attention >> is being given to Iowa and New Mexico in this election cycle. Under a >> proportional system, it would take a shift of 10-20% to shift even one EV >> in those States. O

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 05:28 PM 10/24/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: >> As for the opposite side...I am on the side of the >> United States of America. If you choose to be on the >> opposite side from me, that's your choice. I can say >> that at least I'm on the side that tolerates >> disagreement, is able to talk

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 04:26 PM 10/24/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: >> Or is it possible, just possible, that maybe >> certain policies can be products of honest >> differences, instead of assuming that everyone who >> disagrees with you must be an enemy of the US? > >Damned lying. You lose all respect for saying that

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 06:09 PM 10/24/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > We've already ascertained >that when a Republican questions somebody's foreign >policy judgment, you think that's unacceptably >questioning their patriotism, but when a Democrat >explicitly says that Republicans are unpatriotic or >unamerican (W

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 05:02 PM 10/24/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: >The 9/11 attacks were planed financed and carried out mostly by Saudis. >Why haven't we made them accountable for their atrocities? Because the ones who flew the planes are dead, and the remaining planners are still at large? And because grou

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread JDG
At 01:24 AM 10/25/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote: >David Brin wrote: >> >> Oil prices skyrocket (AND THAT >> serves saudi interests far better than Kerry's >> position IN THEORY that he would emphasize >> conservation over new domestic exploration). >> >I think it doesn't: the saudis really don

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-24 Thread Bryon Daly
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:50:11 -0500, Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem with the electoral college is not in the electoral > college, but in the way populations are represented in Congress. I > would think that this lack of representation on an everyday basis > would be of m

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm going to take these as one. The most > important > > figure in the 9/11 attacks (other than Bin Laden) > > was > > Egyptian. I don't see you declaring that we > attack > > Egypt. Zacarias Moussoui is German. Why arne't > you > > calling for us t

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jim Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > >What the ((*& is going on with the Red Sox > defense > > More importantly, how do you give a team *five* outs > in an inning and still manage to get out of that > inning without giving up some runs? Schilling is > amazi

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
Gautam Mukunda wrote: >What the ((*& is going on with the Red Sox defense More importantly, how do you give a team *five* outs in an inning and still manage to get out of that inning without giving up some runs? Schilling is amazing. And he's an EQ geek to boot. So he's secretly "one of

RE: OT: Space, The Moon, Wednesday's eclipse

2004-10-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
< [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: >Off topic. The only thing off topic aroud here are David Brin novels. :-P Jim When will we see a new Brin book, anyway? Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
What the ((*& is going on with the Red Sox defense There are _high schoolers_ who could make plays that these guys are botching. I mean, really, what the hell? = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com ___

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread David Brin
--- Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it doesn't: the saudis really don't want the > oil prices to become too high, because high oil > prices > makes it economically viable _other_ sources Alberto... like worrying about John Keery's preferece for conservation over drilling,

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread David Brin
> I'm going to take these as one. The most important > figure in the 9/11 attacks (other than Bin Laden) > was > Egyptian. I don't see you declaring that we attack > Egypt. Zacarias Moussoui is German. Why arne't you > calling for us to attack Germany? It is true that > 15 > of the 19 hijacke

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with most of your post, but I differ here. > Eventually, it would be > very worthwhile to drill for that oil. But, since > we can still purchase > oil at a price that is significantly less than the > '81 price, after > inflation, and since oil

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Doug Pensinger wrote: > > The USGA estimates that the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife > Refuge would provide us with about 6 months worth of oil. If we tapped > every possible oil resource in the U.S., drilling wells in pristine > wilderness and defacing the coastal grandeur of the B

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Brin: On the Saudis > --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can you give me a good answer on why the part of the

OT: Space, The Moon, Wednesday's eclipse

2004-10-24 Thread MironMurcury
Off topic. Space ,com is wealth of pictures and information. Wednesday's eclipse will involve many subtle stages. Here's a minute-by-minute guide. Most scientists now agree, the moon is made from chunks Earth, torn loose long ago. The latest theory, with cool animation, can be found here: 2

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > I would also say that the record of "alternative" > sources of power is very poor, > Is it? After the oil crashes of 1973 and 1979, Brazil implemented a policy of replacement of gasoline per alcohol. It was so successful that for some time we had more consumption in alco

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Brin wrote: > > Oil prices skyrocket (AND THAT > serves saudi interests far better than Kerry's > position IN THEORY that he would emphasize > conservation over new domestic exploration). > I think it doesn't: the saudis really don't want the oil prices to become too high, because high oil p

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you give me a good answer on why the part of the > 9/11 investigation > dealing with the Saudis has been kept secret by the > Bush administration? > > The 9/11 attacks were planed financed and carried > out mostly by Saudis. > Why haven't we m

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread David Brin
> In this case, I would say that it is _descriptive_. > I'm not aware of anyone else on the list suggesting, > as Dr. Brin has on numerous occassions, that the > reason the government is adopting policies he > disagrees with is because the people involved are > bribed and/or blackmailed. It m

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This statement: > > Which President has policies that serve the Saudis > again? Or is it possible, just possible, that maybe > certain policies can be products of honest > differences, instead of assuming that everyone who > disagrees with you must

Re: An attack on Iran?

2004-10-24 Thread Russell Chapman
d.brin quoted: According to White House and Washington Beltway insiders, the Bush administration, worried that it could lose the presidential election to Senator John F. Kerry, has initiated plans to launch a military strike on Iran's top Islamic leadership, its nuclear reactor at Bushehr on th

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread David Brin
--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I could not care less. The polemical techniques > > used > > in this note from you make me proud to be on > > opposite > > sides. > > > > Your desperation is showing. > > You mean the polemical techni

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As for the opposite side...I am on the side of the United States of America. If you choose to be on the opposite side from me, that's your choice. I can say that at least I'm on the side that tolerates disagree

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Which President has policies that serve the Saudis again? Or is it possible, just possible, that maybe certain policies can be products of honest differences, instead of assuming that everyone who disagrees with you must be an enemy of the US? Another way to ask the question might be

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I kind of hope the sox's win (that is kind of like you > admitting you might vote for Kerry) so the boston fans can stop whinning and get on > with their lives. Understand I am not into cosmic implications (although I > wonder if a red sox win would be a good omen for

Re: Baseball

2004-10-24 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 10/21/2004 10:49:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: do hope, btw (and I'm talking to you, Zimmy :-) that the Red Sox/Yankees postseason puts to rest once and for all any talk about clutch hitting or being better in the postseason or any other such stuf

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could not care less. The polemical techniques > used > in this note from you make me proud to be on > opposite > sides. > > Your desperation is showing. You mean the polemical technique of claiming that the President of the United States must be blac

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread David Brin
--- Gautam > Kerry rules out every quantitatively significant > alternative to continued reliance on their oil. I have never claimed to agree with Kerry on all things. As a matter of fact, I am more in favor of highly constrained and supervised drilling for oil in refuges than any other Sierra

One positive point on the state of education

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
I was talking with my son in the car, and the conversation went from politics to economics...specifically my unease with Kerry's position on free trade. I was about to explain why I thought free trade was good, when Ted popped up with an explanation of why he thinks its good. I was going to talk

Hackworth on the draft and the Officer Corps

2004-10-24 Thread d.brin
I've just been reading some columns on David Hackworth's web page. http://www.sftt.org/hackstarget.html Hackworth is often called "the most decorated" military man in US History. He is an outspoken critic with bipartisan credibility. (He was scathing about details of the Balkans intervention,

Re: mission to the sun

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's too bad that they couldn't have done that > during the Dark Ages, when > it was knight time, even during the day. > > Dan M. What worries me is that, given Dan's spelling history, I'm not clear if this pun was intentional or not :-) = Gautam

Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
This passage in the Weekly Standard was so clearly put that I was unable to resist the temptation to post it: Kerry now opposes all of the following: drilling for new oil in most parts of the United States; increased use of coal because it might contribute to global warming and make it tougher for

Re: mission to the sun

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: mission to the sun > --- Ray Moses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since then solar seismology has developed. Sound > > waves

Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus > I have no love of Edwards. Like most physicans I think his legal career was > vastly damaging to the way we practice medicine. I

Re: mission to the sun

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Ray Moses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since then solar seismology has developed. Sound > waves will > travel through outgassed materials. I would like > the resurrect > that idea of a mission to the sun. Any comments, > criticisms? > > Ray moses Well, as long as you went at night, I thin

mission to the sun

2004-10-24 Thread Ray Moses
From: Ray Moses Sent: Sun 10/24/2004 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mission to the sun 40 years ago I worked on the Apollo/Saturn. One of the things we proposed at that time was sending an appropriately modified capsule to the photosphere. The scien

Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is a true copout. No prior president felt the > need to "approve" stem > cell research. There was no ban on any type of > funding for stem cell research > from any government force. Talks about Chutzpah (you > know the definition of > chutzpah - killing yo

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Martin Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Re: From the Guardian > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:01:41 -0500, Dan Minette > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I've read a good de

Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus

2004-10-24 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 10/15/2004 11:53:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, Bush was the first President to ever _approve_ of stem cell research. It isn't even within the power of the President to ban stem cell research. What Bush did was much more subtle - he authorize

Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus

2004-10-24 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 10/15/2004 6:37:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that this is very different from "lifting the ban on stem cell research" - _every single time_ Edwards or Kerry says that, they are lying, and they know that they are lying. There is no ban. But

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps where we most differ is that I'm > increasingly unwilling to use > language that divides humanity into good and bad > people. Nonetheless, > when one is a cop, that shorthand is immensely > pragmatic, and we are > being the world's police, fo

An attack on Iran?

2004-10-24 Thread d.brin
I am passing this on, despite the fact that I doubt the story very much. Madsen is a usually reliable investigative journalist.I discount the likelihood in this case for many reasons, given below. Still, the mere possibility that it's true means we must pay attention. -- www.global

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The enemy of my enemy surely is my friend? Nick No. That seems to me the belief of some of the European left which - asked to choose between Islamic terroism and the US - seems to kind of prefer the terrorists. "Seems to kind of?"

Re: What's a legal order?

2004-10-24 Thread John Garcia
On Oct 24, 2004, at 1:34 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: I think it would be better to define what exactly an ILLEGAL order is...and I think the previous poster clarified it. My opinion: given my military background, I think some discipline is in order. But I also think the person(s) issuing the orders

A slight voice for small votes

2004-10-24 Thread MironMurcury
Hello, There are interesting voices here. Your letters create an amusing picture of a movie pie fight, with words and reasoning crustily defending or creamily attacking each others position. I enjoy the politeness of combat of words and ideas and even Boston cream pie. I don't underst

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Martin Lewis
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:01:41 -0500, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've read a good deal of a sub-section of the European Left in the twin > > > list (Culture). Not everyone is there, of course, but the mean of > Culture > > > is both far to the left and very libertarianthe cogn

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Martin Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:31 AM Subject: Re: From the Guardian > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:37:22 -0500, Dan Minette > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've read a good deal o

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
Bryon Daly wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:13:55 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> At 11:55 AM 10/11/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote: >>> I agree that there's a lot of good though behind it, but I think >>> that times have changed and the system doesn't serve us that well >>> any longer, as it s

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Martin Lewis
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:37:22 -0500, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've read a good deal of a sub-section of the European Left in the twin > list (Culture). Not everyone is there, of course, but the mean of Culture > is both far to the left and very libertarianthe cognative dissonen

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-24 Thread Martin Lewis
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:34:42 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5045652-113623,00.html > > "John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John > Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need you?" > > We have finally seen the true logical concl

Re: Who does GWB think he is? L3

2004-10-24 Thread Nick Arnett
Dan Minette wrote: I'd give him a bit more leeway than that. While he and we are not God, he and we can be willing instruments of God's will for the world. The idea of the United States as "the last best hope of mankind" didn't begin with him or Reaganit is a quote from Lincoln. Lincoln -- an

Re: Hydrogen Refueling Station Opens

2004-10-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
> > California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has unveiled his state's first > hydrogen refueling station in Los Angeles. The official says it marks the > start of a transition as cars convert from gasoline to hydrogen fuel cells. > And _how_ is this hydrogen produced? Probably the production of H2

Re: Brin: W's own words

2004-10-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "David Brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: Re: Brin: W's own words David said, with me snipping a lot, > I apologize. sincerely. (I have not yet read the > next two messag

Re: Electronic Voting joke with 900k

2004-10-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: > > Put it on a web page and post the URL, would be my suggestion. > > Why such a big joke? Is it an image, such as a cartoon? > Problem is: I don't know if it's a copyrighted movie, because I only got the file, without any link or reference. I think that circulating among a

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-24 Thread Bryon Daly
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:13:55 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 11:55 AM 10/11/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote: > >I agree that there's a lot of good though behind it, but I think that > >times have changed and the system doesn't serve us that well any > >longer, as it stands. But really my ma

Scouted: Brain battles Self over Short-Term (Emotional), Long-Term (Logical) Rewards

2004-10-24 Thread The Fool
<> Study: Brain battles itself over short-term rewards, long-term goals Implications range from economic theory to addiction research You walk into a room and spy a plate of doughnuts dripping with chocolate frosting. But wait: You w