god or a six-day clay shaper doesn't strike me as being
remotely possible, and I don't think that statement is one of faith;
however, the Deist idea is not one I can simply dismiss as readily.
There, I'll freely concede, I am expressing a faith rather than a
proximate certainty.
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a given individual is clear-minded,
thinking rationally or proof against crackpottery. Unfortunately
another hallmark of arrogance is being unable to concede being wrong,
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Sometimes, it seems to me, anger is really a masking emotion for fear.
Only sometimes? How about always? Although other things may lie
behind
anger, I tend to think that fear is always
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think, to
agree with the Good news from the Vatican sentiments. But in the
intervening years my rebellion against (specifically) Christianity
and
(generally) religion has moderated some.
[KZK]
So you
start wondering what the difference is between their views and that
of gays and bisexuals who think avowed heterosexuals are afraid of
themselves, or lack the insight necessary to appreciate sex outside
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be consciousness, or will we be arrogant and think it's just a copy?
And if we think that, will it really be arrogance? Or will it just be
John Henry driving steel until his heart burst?
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the shit came from Adams.
That doesn't change my opinion of the movie. It was bad. Bad, bad, bad.
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On May 2, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
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_Calculating God_, yeah. As it happens I just finished it this
weekend.
It's an interesting read but Sawyer leaves a gaping hole in his story
(two, actually), which he also did
On May 2, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
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OK, fair enough -- but how would that really supply you with an
answer?
If you simulated all senders and receivers, how would that be
significantly different from the message content's
On May 6, 2005, at 6:23 AM, Keith Henson wrote:
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snip
For years I have struggled with the idea of sexual orientation. I'm
currently of the inclination that it doesn't exist objectively. Gay,
straight or in-between are, to me, ideas, nothing more
On May 6, 2005, at 6:39 AM, Keith Henson wrote:
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snip
This reminds me of the Ballad of John Henry. You might or might not
know it; the story is that John Henry, who worked on railroads in the
1900s, was faced with a steam-driven track laying
On May 6, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Keith Henson wrote:
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On May 6, 2005, at 6:39 AM, Keith Henson wrote:
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snip
This reminds me of the Ballad of John Henry. You might or might not
know it; the story
.
It astonishes me that anyone can overlook ten grafs of commentary on
what consciousness means to get so anal retentive over a frickin'
myth.
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On May 5, 2005, at 11:20 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 1 May 2005, at 8:31 am, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
The reverse is true of course -- if a believer becomes enraged at the
suggestion a god doesn't exist, the question why is very pertinent.
I've never been religious. I get annoyed about people
is particularly edifying.
While it's arguable that those who do not remember history are doomed
to repeat it, I think it's as valid to suggest that those who do not
*let go* of history are equally stuck.
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be more like 'p' and the 'Koo'
shouldn't be too stressed. It ain't KOO-toob, ya rube; it's koo-tuhb in
the bathtub.
Or I could be totally wrong.
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On May 2, 2005, at 11:30 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Khadafy, Qadaffi, Gadafhy Maru
You say Khadafy and I say Qadaffi
You say Al Koran and I say al-Q'ran
Jihad, Fatwah, Meatwad, Frylock
Let's call the crusades off...
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On May 1, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Max Battcher wrote:
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The problem with the pacing was that it *did not have to be cut*. All
the screenwriter had to do was start from the original material -- as
I mentioned before the first installment in radio form was only 2
hours long
spots instead of reacting to every statement.
Well, it's not just them that get away with it though. I've seen much
oversloppage of bombast in the last week or so, only a relatively small
amount of which came from either Erik or William.
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blood sugar will do to perception, innit?
My own aisle was flanked (in the cereals) by Darth Vader on Kellogg's
corn flakes. The Breakfast of the Dark Lord? Hmm. I guess it could've
been worse -- Wheaties remained unaltered.
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brains are good for one thing, anyway. This is
more hilarious than the 3 Stooges!
Out of curiosity, why is it that Erik and a few others are able to get
away with incessant windbaggery and insulting behavior?
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a masking emotion for fear.
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On May 1, 2005, at 2:59 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:31 AM Sunday 5/1/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:27 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Out of curiosity, why is it that Erik and a few others are able to
get away with incessant windbaggery and insulting behavior?
Cuz others
that ludicrous broadcast that featured (among others)
James Dobson, and so I think were laboring under the assumption that
the fundies were a serious threat.
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Quite right- what were they going to do to carry out their empty
threat? Use communist Linux? Hardly! : )
~Maru
Might require them to strain their brains
The final line is the reason that can't happen, of course. You've got
to be bright to use Linux
.)
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their checkbooks.)
They couldn't show everything, but I think they got the essential core
of the story in there...
They couldn't show everything partly because they added crap that did
not need to be there.
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On Apr 30, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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They couldn't show everything partly because they added crap that
did
not need to be there.
From Wkipedia:
The script we shot was very much based on the last draft that Douglas
wroteAll the substantive new ideas
of material just as they were; had
they been left unsodomized there would have been no need to edit the
parts that made the plot, as crafted by Adams, fly.
Save your money and the two hours of your life and do something
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is the
unexpected.
'Cmmb the shag'?Oh la di dah, aren't we the fancy one! In *my* day we
didnae have shag! We had woven poison ivy to cover our floors, and we
liked it! The rashes kept us warm when we ran out of dung to burn.
Ahh, hae ano'er potaato an shet yer gob, granddad.
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Dunno about our great nation, but obviously our citizenry has sunk to
that level.
Would you [plural] mind finding a different horse to flog? This one's
dead. And while you're [singular] at it consider dropping the pompous
tone as well. It's obnoxious.
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that is, at its heart, surprisingly liberal and broad-minded.
The pendulum's arc might well have maximized this last weekend.
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instance, gays, they *have* one, and they're willing to use it too. ;)
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;)
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quantity. That's just a wild stab though.
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is perpetrated on your behalf by
people whom you do not support.
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of the humor of the Guide, the
production has lost everything. There is no reason whatsoever to read
the books or listen to the BBC recordings except to laugh your ass off,
even at the bits you've heard or read dozens of times before.
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if there's a guilty verdict.
That's only sensible, right?
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On Apr 25, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
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Fratricide, infanticide and cannibalism are serious crimes. I say we
try the offender as an adult and don't hold back on the death
penalty if there's a guilty verdict.
That's only sensible
to schizophrenia.
The tragedy of it, of course, is that in such a future it's in
government and corporate interests *not* to treat or cure
schizophrenia. I love it when dilemmas like that get dropped in my lap;
they really punch up a story.
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On Apr 25, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 4/25/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So what would be the way to prevent that mapping from working? It
seemed obvious to me: A one-time pad. One-time pads are used to
scramble a coded message and are then discarded (hence
On Apr 25, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Representatives from Comcast said they could not immediately comment
on the
lawsuit.
Technically, oh shit *is* a comment.
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means have been tried.
4) The war will, at least, do no net harm to the people in the region.
These are interesting points. By their criteria, I find Iraq (example)
even less justifiable than before! ;)
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into the leg of a man
who was washing his hands nearby. That man was taken to a nearby
hospital for treatment.
On the positive side, the man seated two stalls over was suddenly and
entirely cured of his constipation.
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..., or after the '04 election. There's some
opinion poll evidence to support his claim.
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Indubitably.
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as our face to the UN assembly?
It seems to me that a wiser choice would be someone who is
*consistently* an effective negotiator and bridge builder.
On a different tack, what would be the merits and disadvantages of
having the position be decided by election rather than appointment?
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: Fire is
not volitional. National leaders are. *Presumably* this means the
latter can be swayed or reasoned with.
It was certainly evocative imagery, but the flaw really stood out to me.
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to be suggesting here that no Klan members are Republicans.
Are you certain?
Or do you mean instead that no elected Republican official would show
public support for the Klan?
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You seem to be suggesting here that no Klan members
are Republicans.
Are you certain?
Or do you mean instead that no elected Republican
official would show
public support for the Klan?
The latter
On Apr 21, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 21, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
So the next time Republicans
march in something organized by the KKK you'll say,
ohh, that's guilt by association, really you shouldn't
critcize. Wait. No Republican
. Atheists
aren't going to accept its premises *or* the possibility that it's
scripture as historically valid as more traditional works -- after all,
the text has absolutely no provenance; and non-Mormons won't accept its
validity of authorship either.
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I think that sheds an instructive light on the suggestion that complex
ethical systems are innate rather than acquired; the tendency to be
ethical might be born into us, but the ethics we employ is, to my mind,
all about opinion.
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-groupers
aren't human, after all). And what we define as being out-group is
still, I think, a matter of public opinion.
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On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:04 PM Tuesday 4/19/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?
group_id=5083package_id=9297
I DLed the .jar, the first on the list, 0.8pre2. And when I entered
900! and clicked the Symbolic evaluation
On Apr 19, 2005, at 8:05 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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You completely missed the point of what I wrote. I'm not saying
anything at all about people who accept occasional correction (BTW
there are several others on this very list who refuse to admit to
being
, it seems.
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. I think someone is
trying to get his pet paid for by the government...
Let's hope it's just a pet.
(Spank, spank...)
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Apr 18, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Here's something else, then. What if there were Iraqis praying for
an outcome that could only have been possible if Wes didn't survive?
Or anybody! I suspect there were prayers for various people
On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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From my point of view today, and I suspect from yours and most
others',
those actions are all reprehensible. But to no small degree I suspect
that's because we're living in a world and a time that affords us
be capable of similar behavior -- but maybe that's best taken up
on the other thread.
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On Apr 20, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Steve Sloan wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Let's hope it's just a pet.
(Spank, spank...)
How shocking!
I think somewhere in here, there's a joke about a Peter, Gabriel.
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On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:36 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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To be fair I don't always make the distinction when I comment on
something, which surely doesn't help anyone else decide whether I
think
I'm right or I'm just blowing hot gas. ;)
I wouldn't mind having to ask
On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
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Possibly harking to Job and God's reply out of the whirlwind? That's
one of the more enigmatic monologues in the entire Abrahamic
tradition. I've seen really hard-line realist type
, in the hands-on (or pseudopods-on) exhibit wing, and
it's up to the young (brood, hatchlings) to determine which prayers are
answered and which are not.
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On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:03 AM, KZK wrote:
Nick Arnett wrote:
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That's a good point. I'd ask you to think about something else,
though -- why do you consider yourself religious? I mean, if you
have some kind of faith, *why* do you have that faith?
Well, there's the question
an
artifact of culture, society, weltanschauung. To my mind ethics is all
about opinion polls -- the opinion of an entire society, in some cases.
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On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Why? Morality is not the product of an opinion poll.
Something is either the right thing to do or it is
not.
Umm, I can think of a lot of historical
handle any really long
numbers:
http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/java-ent/jnut/ch01_03.htm
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entered
900! and clicked the Symbolic evaluation button I got a damn big
number, which was much more satisfying than the infinity symbol I got
when I clicked Numeric evaluation.
This might show more promise for calculating 5,565,709! than a basic
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macho?
Congratulations. You've officially tossed out one more ad hominem
missive than I in this discussion, and you still haven't managed to
address any of the substance of any of my points.
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at conception, why do you
celebrate a birthday (I assume you do) -- 9 months after life
ostensibly began?
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really deal with worldwide food problems.
As for game preserves -- you can feed more people with a pound of grain
than a pound of meat, and meat preparation (not just feeding; slaughter
and cleanup) uses more water than is employed in an entire growing
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the digression, but you weren't
the one to drag it into a quagmire, FWIW. That was the work of someone
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? That *can't* be what you're
suggesting. Can it?)
If the above's a valid assessment, you might want to look at the Koran
as a comparative religious exercise, because what I just described here
is very, *very* similar to what Islamic fundamentalists believe as
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:18:57 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
That's interesting. So you're suggesting that prayer literally works
in all cases (which *does* raise some flag issues regarding your own
troubles), that there literally is a God personally
with
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
But for damn sure
they are not in Heaven- 'No one can come to the father except through
me'? They certainly could never have received the Gospel.
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:13:49 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
IOW, it's all about faith. ;) The above is a much better answer
than many might have given.
Thank you.
Well, it was especially the part where you said nothing was provable.
That's pretty
On Apr 18, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 04:06 PM Monday 4/18/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 18, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
But for damn sure
they are not in Heaven- 'No one can come to the father except through
me'? They certainly could never have received
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote:
I Think I'm Sentient
My first instinct, while usually right
when acted upon, is usually wrong.
Huh. That's rather good, you know.
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
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I think I want one of these.
Naah.
http://www.bianchiusa.com/599.html
I've got the '03. Indispensable. Worked in metro WI, works in rural AZ.
;)
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 7:06 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
He's my cousin.
Not your uncle?
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Oh, Bob. Bob, Bob, Bob. I had the answer!
In your opinion you did...
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:50 PM Monday 4/18/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 18, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Where is one supposed to put the ready-made actions (*.atn) files
one can find from various third-party sources in order to make them
On Apr 18, 2005, at 8:09 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.vectrixusa.com/index3.html
I think I want one of these.
Naah.
http://www.bianchiusa.com/599.html
I've got the '03. Indispensable. Worked in metro WI, works in rural
AZ.
;)
Where do you plug
of intellectually
and philosophically inbred louts I'd fallen foul of.
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for some fairly dull debates. I'd rather see a
little fire in the dialogue than letter after letter of
mutually-stroking milquetoast.
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for
Julia
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On Apr 12, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But, the words actually do mean different things. Let me make two
statements I consider true about Iraq and one that I consider false.
true
The actions of Hussein against his own people were unjustifiable
oneself and one's
responses to the world, not just to [substance], and I'm uncertain that
any 12-step program provides the necessary tools to accomplish that
fundamental transformation.
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On Apr 13, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:06 PM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
I don't see a difference, at least not a functional one, between the
statements The Iraq war is unjustifiable and the *debate-style*
Resolved: The Iraq war is unjustifiable. Discuss.
How
, but apparently willing to make whatever mistakes are
politically expedient when discussing bombing nations that didn't
attack us.)
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