I'd like to say that I appreciate the civil tone Guatam has maintained in
the recent Wall Street Meltdown thread. I'm not sure he's right, I'm not
sure if anyone is. One thing I'm pretty sure is true is that many of those
people that in good times both in the government and the private sector
Kevin said:
6. Most people who have never studied physics would be unlikely to
pontificate on the subject. Most people who have never studied
economics
not only will pontificate on the subject, but will explain to you in
terms that suggest you are an idiot, why they are right and you are
5. People who have never read Adam Smith are probably not qualified to
discuss what he said. And almost nobody has ever read Adam Smith. Even
most economists have never gotten around to it.
They especially never seem to read the bits about the neccesity of
regulation.
6. Most people who
Dan M wrote:
Oh, the irrationality. Why would people be reluctant to by one
day notes from GE. Does any sane person think GE will go belly up
_tomorrow?_ That's what the interest rate measures...the
willingness of folks to buy GE notes. All of a sudden, buyers dried
up. That's a
On 24/09/2008, at 8:36 AM, John Williams wrote:
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Instead of mocking, why don't you try EXPLAINING.
Instead of telling other people what you think they should do,
why don't YOU explain whatever you believe needs explaining?
Because I'm not the one mocking,
On 24/09/2008, at 9:29 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 23 Sep 2008, at 23:13, Charlie Bell wrote:
Yes, most of us know what teleology is. Why did you post a
definitition of teleology in response to my descriptions of evolution
as non-teleological?
He was repulsing a windmill full of
On 24/09/2008, at 9:12 AM, John Williams wrote:\
The only thing that would put my mind at ease would be for the
people to
have a strong distrust for leaders as well as a culture of not
forcing ideals
upon others. And the courage to fight if the leaders break the trust
that was
placed
On 24/09/2008, at 1:16 PM, John Williams wrote:
Sorry, I have much less confidence in
politicians and people like you than I do in the collective self-
interest and creativity
of a large group of talented people to solve problems competitively.
Tragedy of the Commons. Murray/Darling River
On 24/09/2008, at 2:34 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Me:
Ah yes, because I'm definitely running for office right now. Come
on, this is just tiresome. At least try to have a simple discussion
without accusing everyone of bad faith.
Yeah. Discussions can get heated, and occasionally blow
At 06:09 AM Wednesday 9/24/2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dan M wrote:
Oh, the irrationality. Why would people be reluctant to by one
day notes from GE. Does any sane person think GE will go belly up
_tomorrow?_ That's what the interest rate measures...the
willingness of folks to buy
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, they disagree, so they're imposing their views on
others.
*shrug* It's your loss. The sad thing is, you'll never know what
you're actually missing.
If what I'm missing is being told what to do, I hope I miss it. Unfortunately,
there is a good chance
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is such a thing (provably) as an Evolutionarily Stable Strategy
that can lead to extinction, and I reckon the completely unregulated
market is one of them.
1) Why are you talking about a completely unregulated market? Is it because
it is easier to
On 24/09/2008, at 11:20 PM, John Williams wrote:
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, they disagree, so they're imposing their views on
others.
*shrug* It's your loss. The sad thing is, you'll never know what
you're actually missing.
If what I'm missing is being told what to do, I hope I
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:20 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
If what I'm missing is being told what to do, I hope I miss it.
Unfortunately,
there is a good chance this $700B government bailout is going
to pass and I'll be forced to pay thousands of dollars. That is
a clear
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah. Discussions can get heated, and occasionally blow up, with
people you've been talking to for a long time, but to be consistently
rude to people you don't know at all is a different thing entirely.
You appear to place a lot of emphasis on superficial
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Or for more people to actually participate in their democracy. By that
I mean serving, rather than merely voting.
Increasing the number of potential politicians and rule-makers would
not reassure me at all. Keeping the same number of politicians (or
reducing
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But I'm done trying to persuade you.
Thank you! That certainly deserves a polite response!
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:45 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
If I do not want to do something that someone
forces me to do, that is by definition NOT my prerogative.
Show of hands -- who else found themselves instantly thinking teenager
when they read this sentence?
The phrase,
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why aren't you living on some island somewhere, where nobody will impose
their ideals on you? It seems like such a move would be a net gain for
everybody.
That would be forcing me to go somewhere I don't want to go, and which doesn't
actually exist, anyway. You
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ah, when the Wonder Years give way to the Sociopath Years.
And then to the senile years, apparently. No doubt you will want
the young ones to spend lots of money to take care of you, too.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:56 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why aren't you living on some island somewhere, where nobody will impose
their ideals on you? It seems like such a move would be a net gain for
everybody.
That would be forcing me to go
On 24/09/2008, at 11:55 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:45 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
If I do not want to do something that someone
forces me to do, that is by definition NOT my prerogative.
Show of hands -- who else found themselves instantly thinking
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow... just asking the question forces you to go?
Ummm, no? Try again.
This is perversely entertaining.
So I guess I have something to look forward to when I get old
and senile?
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On 24 Sep 2008, at 14:50, John Williams wrote:
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Or for more people to actually participate in their democracy. By
that
I mean serving, rather than merely voting.
Increasing the number of potential politicians and rule-makers would
not reassure me at all.
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yah. Anyway. I can't be bothered with trolls, so I've solved the
problem.
Which, of course, was his prerogative. If only I could so easily avoid
having my money taken by people who think they can spend it better.
Alas, there is no killfile for wasteful
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Conscript them like a jury.
Unfortunately, I imagine that forcing people to be politicians
would destroy most good qualities that they might have had
in the job.
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On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:32 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'd like to say that I appreciate the civil tone Guatam has
maintained in the recent Wall Street Meltdown thread.
Some might never thought it would come to this, but I miss Gautam:
I have argued with Gautam in the past, which is fine, of
On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Killfile Plus One Maru.
Not here, for two reasons:
1) It doesn't work -- I can block one person, but I can't block all
the swirling eddies of replies and counter-replies that the obstacle
generates.
2) This, too, shall pass -- Either the
6. Most people who have never studied physics would be unlikely to
pontificate on the subject. Most people who have never studied economics
not only will pontificate on the subject, but will explain to you in
terms that suggest you are an idiot, why they are right and you are
wrong. That
Dave said:
2) This, too, shall pass -- Either the tantrum will play itself out or
others will learn not to try to engage someone whose only interest
seems to be contradiction and sniping.
I don't suppose he cares one way or the other what I think as long as
I don't force him to agree with
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Killfile Plus One Maru.
Not here, for two reasons:
1) It doesn't work -- I can block one person, but I can't block all
the swirling eddies of replies and counter-replies that the obstacle
generates.
On 24 Sep 2008, at 15:12, John Williams wrote:
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Conscript them like a jury.
Unfortunately, I imagine that forcing people to be politicians
would destroy most good qualities that they might have had
in the job.
They'd still be better than what we have.
- Original Message
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:19:12 AM
Subject: Re: Meltdown
On 24/09/2008, at 2:34 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Me:
Ah yes, because I'm definitely running
Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't suppose he cares one way or the other what I think as long as
I don't force him to agree with me,
On the contrary, I am interested in what you think (and others here
as well). But being interested does not mean that I will refrain from
sarcastic
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They'd still be better than what we have.
I'd like more politicians like Mike Pence:
I must tell you, there are those in the public debate who have said
that we must act now. The last time I heard that, I was on a used-car
lot, said Rep. Mike Pence,
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22lobby.html?_r=1scp=1sq=financial%20firms%20start%20lobbyingst=cseoref=slogin
The scope of the bailout grew over the weekend. As recently as
Saturday morning, the Bush administration’s proposal called for
Treasury to buy residential or commercial
John Williams wrote:
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They'd still be better than what we have.
I'd like more politicians like Mike Pence:
I must tell you, there are those in the public debate who have said
that we must act now. The last time I heard that, I was on a used-car
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_09_21-2008_09_27.shtml#1222184010
Let's assume there is a small chance that, absent a bailout, there
will be a catastrophic outcome of the sort Eric describes. That
possibility is not by itself sufficient to justify the bailout. One
also has to consider
http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/not-buying-it.php
What's clear is that a bunch of financial institutions have made
mistakes and lost money. What's unclear is why anyone (other than the
owners and managers) should care. People make mistakes and lose money
all the time.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Williams
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:53 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Meltdown
Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's
what the interest rate
Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, let me get this straight. GE is not a financial company,
Actually, GE is a financial company.
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:09 AM, John Williams wrote:
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yah. Anyway. I can't be bothered with trolls, so I've solved the
problem.
Actually, Charlie, you haven't, entirely. The _list_, and not just
your inbox is infected with this particularly pernicious
Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your answer, as I take it, is the meltdown of big financial corporations and
the flight from corporate bonds and the fact that commercial paper from
corporations far removed from this meltdown became much harder to sell a
week ago, is probably a coincidencethe
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You're certainly not going to accomplish anything of value by coming
in here and kicking everybody in the teeth.
No, not everyone.
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:05 AM, John Williams wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow... just asking the question forces you to go?
Ummm, no? Try again.
This is perversely entertaining.
So I guess I have something to look forward to when I get old
and senile?
We don't condone ad hominem
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Killfile Plus One Maru.
Not here, for two reasons:
1) It doesn't work -- I can block one person, but I can't block all
the swirling eddies of replies
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stop it. Now.
No.
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Tyler Cowen wrote:
How or whether do equity holdings give the government upside in
eventual bank recovery? Holding equity yields nothing if the banks
never recover. If the banks will recover, you would think a loan from
the Fed would suffice. But we've already tried that. So what exactly
On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:16 AM, John Williams wrote:
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You're certainly not going to accomplish anything of value by coming
in here and kicking everybody in the teeth.
No, not everyone.
Agreed: There are yet people who have not disagreed with you, at least
not
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Wahh! (was Re: Meltdown)
Show of hands -- who else found themselves instantly thinking teenager
when they read this sentence?
The phrase, You can't make me! came to mind instantly. Because I don't
WANT to wasn't far behind.
Ah, when the Wonder
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/an-alternative-to-the-wall-street-bailout/
In contrast, the bailout proposal takes the Treasury into completely uncharted
territory. The Treasury has no expertise in evaluating mortgage credit risk.
This is a very complex mathematical problem. I know, because I
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Agreed: There are yet people who have not disagreed with you, at least
not on-list.
You are welcome to disagree with me. I have zero problem with that.
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Doctor Evil asked for 1 million dollars, back in the 90s, and
the leaders of the world laughed. Then he asked for 100 billion.
Today, they would still laugh...
Hyperinflation Maru
Alberto Monteiro
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Williams
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:27 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Do low-probability catastrophic risks justify the bailout?
Tyler Cowen wrote:
I thought that some might find this transcript interesting.
Paul Krugman and Allan Meltzer actually agree on something!
http://tinyurl.com/4s9tgj
john
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:31 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ah, when the Wonder Years give way to the Sociopath Years.
If my post was an ad hominem attack (which it wasn't, but apparently some
disagree), then what is the above?
This was an attack
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over ten
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of regulars over
Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of John Williams
Tyler Cowen wrote:
How or whether do equity holdings give the government upside in
eventual bank recovery?
Because I believe that historical data is useful. I think this is a point
where we have very strong differences. In
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is, of course, a remedy: find another list to dog.
My dogs are offended by this.
Let's stick to offending trolls.
Nick
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Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This was an attack on all teenagers and thus not a *personal* attack.
I agree. Likewise, my post.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Tyler Cowen wrote:
How or whether do equity holdings give the government upside in
eventual bank recovery? Holding equity yields nothing if the banks
never recover. If the banks will recover, you would think a loan
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:03 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This was an attack on all teenagers and thus not a *personal* attack.
I agree. Likewise, my post.
If there's anybody you can attack here with a very, very low probability of
ever being
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Kevin B. O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
When you learn that this plan is something they have been working on for
months now, you know they were just waiting for an opportunity to spring
this on people and ram it through before anyone could read the fine
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One short answer -- risk. Debt financing makes far less sense when the risk
is high or unknown. Only equity financing offers the potential to yield a
return that is appropriate to high risk.
That statement is oversimplified. It is straightforward to
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If there's anybody you can attack here with a very, very low probability of
ever being moderated, it's me.
Are you implying I attacked you? I thought we agreed that neither of us
attacked the other.
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Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Golly, that sounds familiar. Echoes of the Iraq war, anyone?
Those politicians are slippery.
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Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:05 AM, John Williams wrote:
...
We don't condone ad hominem attacks on this list. This is the second
time you've resorted to it.
Stop it. Now.
Yes: I told you what to do, and we ALL know how much you hate that.
There is, of course, a remedy:
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm already at the
stage where I delete many of your posts
unread.
I hope you continue to do so, if that is what you think
is best. I will continue to write as I think best.
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David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm already at the
stage where I delete many of your posts
unread.
I hope you continue to do so, if that is what you think
is best. I will continue to write as I think best.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If there's anybody you can attack here with a very, very low probability
of
ever being moderated, it's me.
Are you implying I attacked you? I thought we agreed that neither of us
Gautam mentioned the Swedish bailout. It is worth noting that the
Swedish bailout did not begin until about 2 years after the financial
turmoil: two consecutive years of negative GDP growth and tripling
of unemployment. Nevertheless, many are citing the Swedish bailout
as a success. Evidently,
John Williams wrote:
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm already at the
stage where I delete many of your posts
unread.
I hope you continue to do so, if that is what you think
is best. I will continue to write as I think best.
John--
Yes, but you eventually might not have an audience.
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, but you eventually might not have an audience.
If I wanted an audience, I wouldn't look for it here.
So why be needlessly insulting?
I don't do anything needlessly.
Anyway, I bet this is something you want to talk
about:
Not really. What I would like
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:44 PM, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snipped
So what is the proper function of government?
For example, if my neighbor to the south wants to build
a wall that blocks my sunshine, should zoning laws be able
to stop her?
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, John Williams wrote:
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, but you eventually might not have an audience.
If I wanted an audience, I wouldn't look for it here.
So why be needlessly insulting?
I don't do anything needlessly.
Anyway, I bet this is something you want
Ah, Conservapedia... It never ceases to be fun...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math
Did someone (was it me?) mention Fundamentalist Math?
Alberto Monteiro
PS: I must confess a sin... I've been _collaborating_ with Conservapedia...
Yes, but you eventually might not have an audience.
If I wanted an audience, I wouldn't look
for it here.
why are you here then?
So why be needlessly insulting?
I don't do anything needlessly.
okay, why do you do it?
Anyway, I bet this is something you want to talk
about:
Not
On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:04 PM, John Garcia wrote:
Or (for those of us in Manhattan) should there be a law, zoning or
other
type, that
prevents Donald Trump or some other crazed real-estate magnate from
constructing
a building that is so tall, it robs nearby buildings of sunlight?
NYC used
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tell us something about it, then. what is it about, who is the author?
Anathem (I mistyped Anathema before) is by Neal Stephenson. I
mentioned it before, you can read a passage I posted in reply to
Julia last week.
John Williams wrote:
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, but you eventually might not have an audience.
If I wanted an audience, I wouldn't look for it here.
So why be needlessly insulting?
I don't do anything needlessly.
Anyway, I bet this is something you want to talk
about:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Ah, Conservapedia... It never ceases to be fun...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Critical_Thinking_in_Math
Did someone (was it me?) mention Fundamentalist Math?
Alberto Monteiro
PS: I must confess a sin... I've been
...it does give on pause to wonder about the
situation where a democratic election may
place people to whom democracy
is disposable in power. I guess it's a string
argument for rigid
Constitutional rule.
there are many other arguments, iraq and iran are two others which have, and
are,
Right, blame the market for adjusting
values to where they should be, not
the government for being largely responsible
for putting values out of whack.
That's the ticket.
who do you blame, john?
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Instead of telling other people what you think they should
do,
why don't YOU explain whatever you believe needs
explaining?
does that meant you don't have an explanation, john? do you think this could
have been less of a disaster if there had been more government intervention and
1. The study of design or purpose in natural phenomena.
2. The use of ultimate purpose or design as a means of
explaining phenomena.
3. Belief in or the perception of purposeful
development toward an end, as in nature
or history.
Yes, most of us know what teleology is. Why did
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry no. Not any of the books Google finds with
that title, nor the Stephenson novel with a similar title.
I've read Cryptonomicon, which was O.K., if a bit long
for the content.
I skipped Crypto, I imagine I would have had the same
impression as you.
Just few thoughts from one of the long-timers.
Yeah, Charlie, we've been around for about 12 or 13 years. Julia will know
better than I, she was already here when I joined in 1996, I think it was.
My point is, we've had to first tolerate, then educate, and finally adopt a
lot of people who
John Williams wrote:
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry no. Not any of the books Google finds with
that title, nor the Stephenson novel with a similar title.
I've read Cryptonomicon, which was O.K., if a bit long
for the content.
I skipped Crypto, I imagine I would have had the same
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, John Williams wrote:
Anathem (I mistyped an -a before) is about 900 pages, but
after the first 80 pages or so the action picks up and it
did not drag at all for me. I'd say it is somewhere in
between Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle books as far as
balance between
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jo Anne wrote:
Just few thoughts from one of the long-timers.
Yeah, Charlie, we've been around for about 12 or 13 years. Julia will know
better than I, she was already here when I joined in 1996, I think it was.
April 1996, it began. So, 12 years and change now.
The viewpoint you are
expressing here makes
Milton Friedman look like Karl Marx.
Hmmm, if you actually knew what you were talking about, I
might take that as a compliment.
I'm sure you'd call it coincidence...or other
factors in play, but panics
and bubbles are inherent part of any
Screw argument from authority.
Me: Can I assume then that the next time you have a funny pain in your chest
you won't be looking for someone with an MD degree to talk it over with?
When I have required medical aid I was looking for advice and expertise,
not argument. These are different
David said:
My favorites of his are the ones that start with
The Atrocity Archives. Not everyone would come
up with Lovecraftian computer science.
I must read more Stross. At the moment all I've read was A Colder
War, which I thought was great (and which is available for free
online).
Ah, when the Wonder Years give way to the
Sociopath Years.
If my post was an ad hominem attack (which
it wasn't, but apparently some
disagree), then what is the above?
This was an attack on all teenagers and thus
not a *personal* attack. If you think that
describing your words as
Since you remind me that I am an admin, allow me to state
that I am
coming very near to asking the other admins to place a
certain member on moderation.
Dave
don't do that dave; he will come around eventually, or he will lave voluntarily
when people stop reacting to his provocations.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anathem (I mistyped an -a before) is about 900 pages, but
after the first 80 pages or so the action picks up and it
did not drag at all for me. I'd say it is somewhere in
between Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle books as
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Martin Lewis wrote:
Basically if you like Cryptonomicom plus Snow Crash you will like Anathem.
OK, good to know -- I have something to really look forward to next week,
then! :)
Thank you very much, Martin.
Julia
On 9/24/2008 12:17:53 PM, Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Killfile Plus One Maru.
Not here, for two reasons:
1) It doesn't work -- I
On 9/24/2008 1:36:39 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm already at the
stage where I delete many of your posts
unread.
I hope you continue to do so, if that is what you think
is best. I will continue to write as I think best.
You are
Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
post-cyberpunk world before writing Cryptonomicom, a sort of Slashdot
version of the 20th Century. Anathem is what Cryptonomicom would be if
it covered the whole of Western civilisaton from Plato onwards.
For someone who has read Anathem but not Cryptonomicon,
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