RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-06 Thread Mike Lee
Gary Denton, putting me in Oh, Please! mode: Mike Lee Savior of the Masses writes: Like all true Saviors, the masses loathe me. You have a very good point here. Even a blind hog can find an acorn now and then. Seems to be your version of a compliment. If you can't tell a

RE: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-06 Thread Mike Lee
Jim, lacking parenting experience: As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one. That is so dumb. It does not. And it's probably not what he meant anyway.

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread JDG
At 07:18 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying. At 06:39 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan

Re: The (Third?) Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did

2004-05-06 Thread JDG
At 08:06 PM 5/6/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html Why did Nixon push for a [DDT] ban? We may never know. A few older Washington DC policy experts have suggested that some of his election campaign supporters were chemical companies that produced

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying. At 07:18 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message -

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:40 PM 5/6/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cynic would reply by bringing up the piece on IIRC this past Sunday's _60 Minutes_ (or a similar show within the past few days. Maybe it was a weekend edition of _Today_.) about the rea$on why there

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread JDG
I apologize if it was not clear in my last message. But Dan asked: One needs to ask why our armed services changed procedures and techniques that had worked so well for decades. And I pointed out that a reasonable person could argue that our intelligence and interrogation procedures had not

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: I think that you may be making an error extrapolating from the specific to the general. Proper care of little humans requires significantly greater effort than proper care of little sock puppets. For example, you can roll a little sock puppet up and put it in the drawer for

RE: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-06 Thread Mike Lee
Gary Denton, traitor in waiting: Neo-imperialist or even, as a couple political scientists have pointed, out neo-confederate might be better. Hey, Gary, there's a whole bunch of us not afraid to say that Western democracy is better by far than anything the Muslims have done since the

RE: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-06 Thread Mike Lee
Ronn, bemused: At 02:10 AM 5/5/04, Mike Lee wrote: And f$ck the World Court with Lynndie's strapon, by the way. Umm . . . -- Ronn! :) Yeah, I can see why you'd be left speechless and aroused by that. ___

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-06 Thread Mike Lee
Gary Denton, self-loathing American keeps on keeping on: Begin - Boston Globe:Civilians ID'd in abuse may face no charges When they get away with it, call me. The pointing-with-alarm-possibility that they might get away with it doesn't much make me care. Though I will give you credit if the

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-06 Thread Gary Denton
Mike Lee Savior of the Masses writes: Gary Denton, self-loathing American keeps on keeping on: There was a systemic and ongoing problem with abuse and even deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.  This was an military intel and CIA operation whose operative and civilian

Barbie-shaped women more fertile

2004-05-06 Thread The Fool
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4953 Barbie-shaped women more fertile 00:01 05 May 04 NewScientist.com news service Large-breasted, narrow-waisted women have the highest reproductive potential, according to a new study, suggesting western men's penchant for women

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-06 Thread Gary Denton
On Thu, 6 May 2004 00:55:04 -0700, Mike Lee claiming not to be pussy whipped wrote: Gary Denton, traitor in waiting: Patriotism isn't screaming at everyone who disagrees with you. Neo-imperialist or even, as a couple political scientists have pointed, out neo-confederate might be better.

RE: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-06 Thread Richard Baker
Mike said: Hey, Gary, there's a whole bunch of us not afraid to say that Western democracy is better by far than anything the Muslims have done since the invention of zero. The Muslims may have contributed many worthwhile things to civilisation but the invention of zero wasn't one of them. So

Average IQ by state and how they voted in 2000

2004-05-06 Thread Gary Denton
http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm Wow, in this election right now I see Kerry getting all of the Gore states plus Colorado and Nevada with New Hampshire, Ohio, Florida, Missouri, Arizona, West Virginia, Arkansas, and Louisiana as tossups. Really nonsense of course, what

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-06 Thread Gary Denton
Translations of Arabic works helped spark  the Renaissance but except for some paper, medicine, mathematics and drugs I am not sure what Europeans acquired that was original to the Islamic world. The loss of the great universities and even the manufacturing sites in Spain also had a lot to do

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-06 Thread Damon Agretto
Translations of Arabic works helped spark  the Renaissance but except for some paper, medicine, mathematics and drugs I am not sure what Europeans acquired that was original to the Islamic world. That is, if you believe in a Rennaisance... The translation of Greco-roman literature from

Race to the Bottom

2004-05-06 Thread The Fool
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/international/asia/06indi.html?ex=1399 176000en=9d4ecf59627d6ac9ei=5007partner=USERLAND Street sweeping, once a government job that paid triple what it does now and came with medical care, a pension, annual leave and job security, has been outsourced to private

RE: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-06 Thread Horn, John
From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (And if you're working and you have twins or more, it's more cost-effective to hire a nanny than to put them all in daycare, at least for the first couple of years.) As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one kid is a hobby,

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-06 Thread Damon Agretto
Homophobe apologists (like JDG), only empower people like Chick. Actually, so I understand, Chick is virulently anti-Catholic as well. He think's John is going to Hell equally with the homosexuals... Damon, who plays DD so obviously will see John down there... =

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debbi who is going through 'saved mail,' but only commenting on ~ 10% of that - and incidentally found that the concepts of Good and Evil were another point of disagreement with Travisditto Rob's replies!

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-05-06 Thread The Fool
-- From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Z Fool -- From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Who are you responding to? Don't snip context. --- Sorry, gmail always stacks the conversation based on subject and provides no easy way

RE: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:53 AM 5/6/04, Horn, John wrote: From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (And if you're working and you have twins or more, it's more cost-effective to hire a nanny than to put them all in daycare, at least for the first couple of years.) As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*)

The Pill-Popping Dispicable Fool

2004-05-06 Thread The Fool
http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/limbaugh-20040504.mp3 http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_050404/content/rush_is_right _2.member.html CALLER: It was like a college fraternity prank that stacked up naked men -- LIMBAUGH: Exactly. Exactly my point! This is no different than what

J.Shrubs Shiavo law Struck Down

2004-05-06 Thread The Fool
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/06/schiavo.case/index.html Law keeping brain-damaged woman alive struck down Florida governor files appeal of judge's ruling CLEARWATER, Florida (CNN) -- A Pinellas County Circuit Court judge has dealt Florida Gov. Jeb Bush a first-round defeat by ruling that a

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a huge difference between legislating against McDonald's hamburgers and keeping kids from going blind, Debbi. But, the example that Debbie gave was folate enrichment of various cereal/grain

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-06 Thread Tom Beck
Actually, so I understand, Chick is virulently anti-Catholic as well. He think's John is going to Hell equally with the homosexuals... I have a friend who is devoutly Catholic and yet fervently supports Bush, even after Bush made a speech at Bob Jones University (where, according to their Web

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement You've assumed that people I've never heard of, or at best marginally so (Chomsky, frex,

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert Seeberger Wl...if it was good for you, then I guess it's good enough for the world court. A whole new way to look at put a sock on it. Meant to say 'thanks' for the clarification of what a 'sock puppet' is -- I was

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently results in paralysis). And the lack of iodine is potentially devastating, with mental retardation of varying degrees the

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread The Fool
-- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently results in paralysis). And the lack of iodine is potentially devastating,

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Baker wrote: The Muslims may have contributed many worthwhile things to civilisation but the invention of zero wasn't one of them. So far as I know, the idea of zero in number systems was independently invented by the Babylonians, the

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You've assumed that people I've never heard of, or at best marginally so (Chomsky, frex, or that Karen person), represent *my* viewpoints and thoughts. Who does you refer to? Sorry, that was very

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: snip And the lack of iodine is potentially devastating, with mental retardation of varying degrees the result of prenatal/infantile deficiency. [I believe that cretinism was the former term for these unfortunate children;

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-06 Thread Damon Agretto
Arabian horses, of course! ;) I'm being a little over-the-top, but since at the time horses were the best overland transport and military assets, the impact of the introduction of Arabian and Barb horses, along with style-of-riding, was huge. As anyone who has worked with heavy/draft

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out At 05:12 PM 5/6/2004 -0400 Tom Beck wrote: I have a friend who is devoutly Catholic and yet fervently

Re: The Pill-Popping Dispicable Fool

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xBrin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: The Pill-Popping Dispicable Fool http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/limbaugh-20040504.mp3

Re: Democracy - and am I the only Person here who is sick of Foolish Subject Titles?

2004-05-06 Thread JDG
At 05:38 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: If going to Bob Jones University, is required to win the Republican primary in South Carolina, Otherwise why go? Yeah, democracy's a real bitch. I don't know that it was required to win to go to Bob Jones University, but the idea that

Re: Democracy -

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Democracy - and am I the only Person here who is sick of Foolish Subject Titles? At 05:38 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: If going to Bob

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently results in paralysis). And the lack of iodine is

Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread JDG
At 05:41 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: If this is an accurate transcript, is it sufficient to lump Limbaugh with Chomski in the anti-American idiot bin? The transcript looks basically accurate. In listening to the actual show, I was almost *sure* that he had to be engaging in some sort

Re: Democracy -

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Democracy - That really wasn't my point. Appealing to someone who is, at best, supports a position that is a slightly weaker

Re: Democracy -

2004-05-06 Thread JDG
At 06:21 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: There is nothing wrong with pluralism. There is something wrong with Bob Jones's position on the issues. Its clearly racist. Or, do you think there is nothing wrong with thinking blacks and whites shouldn't date? Tom Beck was not talking about

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying. track record, so I won't go as far as you suggest, but I can only hope that at some

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-05-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL

Re: Democracy -

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Democracy - At 06:21 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: There is nothing wrong with pluralism. There is something wrong with Bob Jones's

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Disturbing evidence of torture Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert Seeberger Wl...if it was

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread JDG
At 06:39 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: One needs to ask why our armed services changed procedures and techniques that had worked so well for decades. Do you include September 11th in working well for decades? JDG ___

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out Either that or Tom Beck supports denying the vote to Christians who believe that those who don't share

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying. At 06:39 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: One needs to ask why our armed

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement I didn't know that. All I knew was, a certain amount would help in tooth formation, but too

Bush Sorry for Abuse of Iraqi Prisoners

2004-05-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040506/D82D9FQ00.html President Bush apologized Thursday for the abuse and humiliation of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers, saying the scenes of mistreatment had made Americans sick to our stomachs. A day after he stopped short of apologizing, Bush told Jordan's

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:07 PM 5/6/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: --===0939995837== - Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out Either that or Tom Beck supports

Draft Registration

2004-05-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.draftregistration.us/ xponent Too Old Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if you want big numbers of lives saved or kept 'intact', look at sewage/water treatment and vaccination programs -- these latter _were not_ entirely voluntary as schools required certain vaccinations for attendance. (Aside: I think the

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:32 PM 5/6/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...snip... The 'state nannyism' came up in a discussion of taking a pill vs. actually getting off one's tushie and getting some exercise WRT coronary artery disease - the latter position mine, the former

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cynic would reply by bringing up the piece on IIRC this past Sunday's _60 Minutes_ (or a similar show within the past few days. Maybe it was a weekend edition of _Today_.) about the rea$on why there are no new antibiotics currently under

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out At 07:07 PM 5/6/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: --===0939995837== - Original

Nigerian Cold Fusion

2004-05-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/05/419_cold_fusion/ Since they already have a man in space, it should come as no surprise that our old mates from Lagos have pulled off an even more impressive feat - cold fusion. Well, it was actually the brilliant Nigerian physicist Koffi Abacha, who sadly

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 06:39:46PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: One needs to ask why our armed services changed procedures and techniques that had worked so well for decades. The Bush administration has been leading by example with that sort of thing ever since 9/11. -- Erik Reuter

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: I was criticizing a movement that has done immeasurable harm to the world's poor, and you kind of jumped in. Fine. But you (I notice) haven't actually agreed with me on what are - I believe - very baseline positions. Use DDT in countries where malaria is endemic. If not, why not?

The Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html Why did Nixon push for a [DDT] ban? We may never know. A few older Washington DC policy experts have suggested that some of his election campaign supporters were chemical companies that produced alternatives to DDT and so stood to gain handsomely

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please give credit where it is due. The Republican administration in power at the time DDT was banned was more responsible than any fledgeling environmental movement and in fact the ban could not have taken place had it not been supported by

Rumsfeld Under Fire for Prison Scandal

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/2o9cu State Department official described extreme frustration that months of pressure produced no real change. But Rumsfeld's aides point out that at least two major internal assessments were ordered at the time. In one, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, the commander of the