On Nov 4, 2004, at 4:54 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Absolutely they do, but there are boundaries of acceptable behavior
that can and must be applied to churches if they wish to remain active
members in civil societies. Religious groups do *not* have a right to
bomb abortion
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392row=0
Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. CNN's exit poll
showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53% to 47%. Kerry also
defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51% to 49%. Unless a third gender
voted in Ohio, Kerry took the
On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:14 PM, JOHN GIORGIS wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In which case the church in question is free to not perform
the wedding. They are not, however, free to tell other
churches that the same wedding cannot be performed.
Churches have always been free to perform
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:01:07 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's your evidence? Mine is pretty simple. Right
now we're at war. Turnout was high. In 1968 we were
at war. Turnout was high. In 1864 we were in the
middle of a Civil War, and turnout was _unbelievably_
VERY Large Table. Very Different results from the 'actual' vote count:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/4/212931/005
Screen Captures Showing CNN changing their exit polls in the middle of
the night:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesgfo
At 08:30 PM 11/4/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
I know what a skilled rhetorician you can be, so I suspect you've
asked your question to make a point :-).
I think the words you are looking for are Socratic dialogue. ;-) (Not
that I'm some Socrates, mind you... just using the same technique of
On 1 Nov 2004, Ruben Krasnopolsky asked
What's the big deal with a national ID card?
The various responses cited consequences within people's personal
experience, such as carrying a driver's license that cannot be
authenticated by police, or using one to identify oneself as a voter.
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 10:48:25PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
Actually, I have 2 sons.
Siriusly?
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JDG wrote:
These things are illegal here in Brazil. When you vote, you are alone. Not
even cell phones are allowed inside the voting booth - otherwise it would
violate the secrecy
Both those things are illegal in Maryland as well. as you might
imagine John's story was very amazing, as
Behalf Of John D. Giorgis
At 12:01 AM 11/5/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote:
John Horn wrote:
When he finished voting, the father went over and stood
behind the daughters and showed them how to vote. The
wife happened
to be at the machine next to me and she stood there for several
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: The Magic Ingredient?
And it is exactly that -- humility -- that I find
sorely lacking in America's execution of the war on terror.
I
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:52 PM
Subject: Where do we go from here?
3. The traditional Democratic argument has been that a
high turnout election would result in a
On Nov 5, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
All of this should be doable. The only thing that he cannot do is get
Roe
vs. Wade overturned. That would give the Democrats an easy way to be
the
majority party again.
As much as I'd like to agree with you on this point, and as much as
I'd like to
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: The Magic Ingredient?
On Nov 5, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
All of this should be doable. The only thing that he cannot do
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/where.jpg
Notice how major rivers, lakes, and coastlines are all democratic?
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On Nov 5, 2004, at 4:32 AM, JDG wrote:
I know what a skilled rhetorician you can be, so I suspect you've
asked your question to make a point :-).
I think the words you are looking for are Socratic dialogue. ;-)
(Not
that I'm some Socrates, mind you... just using the same technique of
making
a
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/usvworld.jpg
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On Nov 5, 2004, at 2:04 PM, The Fool wrote:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/where.jpg
Notice how major rivers, lakes, and coastlines are all democratic?
It's not so much water as population centers. There's a much more
interesting set of images to be found here:
But Bush got Uruguay! Don't forget Uruguay!
Damon. :P
Damon Agretto
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Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html
Now Building: Legends Aussie Centurion Mk.5/1
On Nov 5, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
I feel I need to point out that I'm opposed to abortion and
think it regressive... just as I'm opposed to the death penalty.
Rock on, brother. I admire that principled combination, and find
it odd that there are many other brothers and sisters
Gay Marriage! Haven't we done enough to those people already! Asked a New
Yorker cartoon.
The gay marriage issue is, to me, somewhat akin to trying to argue about
race. Race does not exist, sexuality is fluid, and, as far as I can tell,
preordained.
I would prefer government helps
On Nov 5, 2004, at 4:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gay Marriage! Haven't we done enough to those people already! Asked
a New
Yorker cartoon.
Actually the amendments that passed generally block *all* kinds of
marriage by proclaiming it's one man:one woman only. Plural marriage is
out, and
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Brin: An inital note about the teen-rmath
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:27:48 -0800
On the topic of less heavy contact, I've been frustrated lately
(I'm a new
The Fool wrote:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/where.jpg
Notice how major rivers, lakes, and coastlines are all democratic?
What are you saying, they just go with the flow? A new wave of
liberalism? Democrats are all wet? Drowning out the GOP?
Or what?
Nick
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/where.jpg
Notice how major rivers, lakes, and coastlines are all democratic?
What are you saying, they just go with the flow? A new wave of
liberalism? Democrats are all wet?
At 03:41 PM 11/5/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
I feel I need to point out that I'm opposed to abortion and
think it regressive... just as I'm opposed to the death penalty.
Rock on, brother. I admire that principled combination, and find
it odd that there are many other brothers and sisters
At 10:12 AM 11/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
And it is exactly that -- humility -- that I find
sorely lacking in America's execution of the war on terror.
I think that the experience in Iraq has been nothing, if not humbling.
What is worrisome to many of us is that we see no indication of
At 10:42 AM 11/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
3. The traditional Democratic argument has been that a
high turnout election would result in a Democratic
victory - that supposedly there was an unvoting
majority in the US that supports the Democratic Party.
There is, quite literally, no
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for Gautam's point, I think that there is a solid
empirical basis for
this belief. First of all, we know that turnout
among certain
Democratic-leaning demographics, i.e. the poor,
minorities, etc. tends to
lag the national average. Furthermore,
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for Gautam's point, I think that there is a solid
empirical
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/washpost/20041016/tc_washpost/a
36853_2004oct15
Data Miner Free From U.S. Law
By Robert O'Harrow Jr., Washington Post Staff Writer
It began as one of the Bush administration's most ambitious homeland
security efforts, a passenger screening program
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?
It may not be as true now, but it was pretty well established by
empirical
data in the past. One always noted
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Bush II Re: The Magic Ingredient?
Well, I won't debate this at length because we certainly shall see.I
am
personally not one to believe
On Nov 5, 2004, at 10:20 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I won't debate this at length because we certainly shall see.
I
am
personally not one to believe that people who otherwise seem quite
intelligent are actually phenomenally stupid. (Please no stupid
partisan
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I ask you who's being really conservative when
peaceniks insist that
détente is almost always preferable while hawks
scream for gore and
ivory towerians pontificate about verification and
eventualities.**
Well, the conservative one is probably
On Nov 5, 2004, at 11:33 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I ask you who's being really conservative when
peaceniks insist that
détente is almost always preferable while hawks
scream for gore and
ivory towerians pontificate about verification and
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At any cost.
You know as well as I do that the draft is coming
back.
No, actually, I know far better than you do that it
isn't. That's nonsense. It's not coming back. MIT
is the home of American Security Studies, and there
isn't a single
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Out of _how_ many voters? 2000 votes is probably
below the number of voters who put a mark in the
wrong
box.
About a million. Turns out the none of these
voters were over 3500 in
number:
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think it is unhappiness explicitly at being
at war that drives
the high turnout? What about other types of
unhappiness, such as the
economic misery of the Great Depression or in 1980?
Historically periods of high voter turnout correlate
quite
On Nov 6, 2004, at 12:04 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At any cost.
You know as well as I do that the draft is coming
back.
No, actually, I know far better than you do that it
isn't. That's nonsense. It's not coming back.
Wow, way to prove your point.
On Nov 6, 2004, at 12:17 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Out of _how_ many voters? 2000 votes is probably
below the number of voters who put a mark in the
wrong
box.
About a million. Turns out the none of these
voters were over 3500 in
number:
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