On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:10:42 -0500, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Behalf Of Dave Land
But I do think that progressives should address the actual
cause of the nation's (and some of the world's) woes -- the
conservative program -- instead of engaging in smug,
self-satisfied and ulti
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> EM radiation DOES cause cancer and cell damage and
> physical trauma.
> Go lie out naked in the sun for a while, you'll
> see.
... I'm certainly far more
> worried about skin cancer than I am about brain
> tumours.
> Once again
> Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> > I'm a firm believer in the 9/11 conspiracy theory
> - the one where a
> > bunch of well-funded Saudis decided to do the most
> spectacular attack
> > on the most potent symbols of America's position
> in the world, and so
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dave Land
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:40 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Bush is Not Incompetent
>
> On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Horn, John wrote:
>
> > On Behalf Of Dav
The History Channel occasionally runs its 9/11 special. IIRC their conclusion
was that the heat caused the structural beams to sag, pulling away from the
anchors and thus causing the floors to pancake on top of each other. At a
sufficient weight the lower floors were no longer able to support th
Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
>
> . A stiffer join means that force is
> transmitted through the structure more efficiently, so weakening
> vibrations could have sundered the lower parts of the structure
> before
> the actual wave of collapse reached a particular level.
Let me clarify myself a bit h
On 6/29/2006 2:42:40 PM, Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> > OTOH, the shock that is transmitted though the structure by the
> > pounding from above would significantly overpressure the shear
> > strength of the bolts that tied the horizontal structure to the
> > vertical structure.
> > Do
On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Horn, John wrote:
On Behalf Of Dave Land
But I do think that progressives should address the actual cause of
the nation's (and some of the world's) woes -- the conservative
program -- instead of engaging in smug, self-satisfied and
ultimately self-defeating talk
> OTOH, the shock that is transmitted though the structure by the
> pounding from above would significantly overpressure the shear
> strength of the bolts that tied the horizontal structure to the
> vertical structure.
> Does anyone know if there was welding performed in addition to
> bolting? Or w
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Gibson Jonathan
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:18 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
>
>
> I have yet to see a model - or even discuss
Charlie Bell wrote:
> On 29/06/2006, at 9:18 PM, Gibson Jonathan wrote:
>> I do believe the soft-butter theory could have some merit and look
>> forward to real studies we can sink teeth into and chew properly.
>> As I understand it Underwriters Labs put the original steel, and
>> debris samples, u
..once owned 50 hammers, forge, three sheet metal rollers, about seven
punches, all four beverly shears,
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On 29/06/2006, at 9:18 PM, Gibson Jonathan wrote:
I do believe the soft-butter theory could have some merit and look
forward to real studies we can sink teeth into and chew properly.
As I understand it Underwriters Labs put the original steel, and
debris samples, under 2,000° for several h
On 6/29/2006 1:09:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, if the annealoing being discussed is the same as the technique
> I use,
> then that woild be consistent.
>
> When working with PE (photo-etch) parts when building models, I
> sometimes
> heat the part until it glows a bit, then allow it t
Dan Minette wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett
>> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:19 AM
>> To: Killer Bs Discussion
>> Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
>>
>> On 6/29/06, Dan Minette <
On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Whatever, honey.
On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Gibson Jonathan wrote:
Sigh.
[etc.]
Look at my dialogue with Nick to understand how adults behave.
If you had extended actual dialog you might have a point.
Make me care.
- J -
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 29/06/2006, at 4:06 AM, Dave Land wrote:
Fuel that, when burning, generates less than 800 degrees C, about a
third of the temperature needed to melt the steel used in the WTC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phase_diag_iron_carbon-
c
> On Behalf Of Dave Land
> But I do think that progressives should address the actual
> cause of the nation's (and some of the world's) woes -- the
> conservative program -- instead of engaging in smug,
> self-satisfied and ultimately self-defeating talk about
incompetence.
I feel the same way
> On Behalf Of Dan Minette
> If Gautam were still on the list, he might have been
> persuaded to talk to the liberal Democrat he's going to
> school with who compiled this. Why would liberal Democrats
> want to whitewash Bush?
If my conversation with Gautam was correct, this sort of thing is
Well, if the annealoing being discussed is the same as the technique I use,
then that woild be consistent.
When working with PE (photo-etch) parts when building models, I sometimes heat
the part until it glows a bit, then allow it to cool slowly. Supposedly, this
allows the part to be more easi
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Nick Arnett
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:42 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Blacksmiths
>
> On 6/29/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think you are referencing
On 6/29/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think you are referencing work hardeningwhich increases the strength
of the steel at the price of ductility. That has to do with
stress/strain.
I'm familiar with it mainly via simulated annealing, which is a software
pattern for optim
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of William T Goodall
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:17 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Mead (was Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical
> Samples)
>
>
> On 29 Jun 2006, at 4:18PM,
On 29/06/2006, at 7:22 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I know I'm a bit pedantic about this, but I've had to spend a good
deal of
time worrying about the tradeoffs between hardness and brittleness.
I had
long talks on this with a colleague who has a PhD in
metallurgy...so the
differences are fair
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Nick Arnett
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:19 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
>
> On 6/29/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
On 29 Jun 2006, at 4:18PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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Behalf Of David Hobby
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:28 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
Ignor
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:05 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
>
>
>
> *Well-chewed* may mean something different
On 29/06/2006, at 6:17 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Good find on the phase diagram Charlie. To pick a nit, if the
consistency
and structural integrity at that temp was actually the same as well-
chewed
gum, I don't think that blacksmiths would have required big hammers
and big
arms. :-)
*Wel
Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
On 6/27/2006 7:15:38 AM, Gibson Jonathan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hello,
HI!
Nice to meet you Jonathan!
I sent this letter yesterday to the discussion group and it has yet
to
be posted. I, frankly, do not understand the criteria our minders
use
for what passes
On 6/29/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Good find on the phase diagram Charlie. To pick a nit, if the consistency
and structural integrity at that temp was actually the same as well-chewed
gum, I don't think that blacksmiths would have required big hammers and
big
arms. :-) Hyperbo
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David Hobby
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:28 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
>
> Ignoring Margaret Mead's contribution, I suggest t
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:56 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
>
>
> On 29/06/2006, at 4:06 AM, Dave Land wrote:
>
Dan Minette wrote:
...That is a
factin the exact same sense that there is professional consensus on
anthropological global warming.
Dan--
I always like reading your well-reasoned and
careful posts. So forgive me a slight nit-pick:
Ignoring Margaret Mead's contribution, I suggest that
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