Re: Bill Moyers: There is no tomorrow

2005-02-04 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/1/2005 2:25:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We do have evidence of societies which were officially anti-religious. Marxist societies have tried to stamp out religion for years. We could contrast the attitude towards and the development of science

Re: SSN 711

2005-02-06 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/5/2005 10:14:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A testament to American naval engineering... Unfortunately, this captain's career is toast... Why is his career toast? Maybe I don't understand what an uncharted sea mount is. Could he have discerned

Re: SSN 711

2005-02-06 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/5/2005 12:20:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So it wasn't that he had the bad luck to hit an uncharted undersea mountain in an area that was supposed to be charted. Rather, he was going at a reckless speed in uncharted waters? No he had charts but

Re: Bill Moyers: There is no tomorrow

2005-02-06 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/5/2005 12:50:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, this tendency to hold onto known truths no matter how they are called into question by evidence is seen in many forms, not just religious or political. There are many times when the first criterion

Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))

2005-03-20 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 3/18/2005 6:16:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point is that the risk of death is not what makes it foolish, it's the social pressure that makes a young woman feel she needs to be physically altered to feel good about herself (with exceptions like

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-06 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/6/2005 12:16:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they were - they were _Concerned_ about the environment - without really giving up anything, because malaria had already been wiped out in their countries,

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-07 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/6/2005 11:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I denigrate the rich white liberals who made this decision because they're the people who, consistently, make self-flattering decisions that (in this case) have led to hundreds of thousands, maybe

Re: Societal Evolution Re: New Pope?

2005-04-10 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/9/2005 10:52:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Evolutionary dead ends are very common in the human fossil record. In fact, there are people who would claim that we probably don't know any direct ancestors to Homo sapiens in that record. But if the

Re: Societal Evolution Re: New Pope?

2005-04-11 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/11/2005 12:22:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow, any more interesting folks around? His wife is the ex-wife of Richie Havens. Quite an interesting person The point is that there is no trend towards better in evolution. So there is no

Re: Societal Evolution Re: New Pope?

2005-04-11 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/11/2005 12:22:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow, any more interesting folks around? The point is that there is no trend towards better in evolution. Agreed, hence my regret in using better in my first post. Natural selection is short

Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons

2005-04-21 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:33:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Umm, I can think of a lot of historical precedent that might indicate otherwise. Ethics (I prefer not to use morality) is very much an artifact of culture, society, weltanschauung. To my mind ethics is

Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons

2005-04-21 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/19/2005 10:24:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, the Holocaust would have been ethical if Germany had won? It was ethical to the Nazis at the time it was taking place. Just as it was ethical for slavery to be practiced, here and elsewhere, for a

Re: A very good NYT article on intelligent design

2005-05-08 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/2/2005 7:46:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A goof point Warren, but you forget that genes aren't the *only* unit of inheritance- culture is also inherited. Sawyer could have just as well postulated a race of hominids, humanoid pre-cursors, which

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/8/2005 8:55:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking as someone who has seen it already (and was not a fanboy prior to seeing it), Sin City is most definitely worth watching, riveting and intense, as long as you are prepared for the violence and

Re: Infanticide Re: The American Political Landscape Today

2005-05-18 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/16/2005 10:38:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The question is not even when the zygote becomes human. The question

Re: Abortion and Liberal Democrats Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

2005-05-18 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/17/2005 11:27:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, it wasn't. For me, the difference between defending abortion and defending the legality of abortion is far, far from a nuance. It is an enormous difference. You may regard it as a nuance if you

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The AmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

2005-05-18 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/18/2005 3:08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It depends on whom is being threatened. If you believe that humanness in not innate, but society has a right to limit who is considered human, then that's a self consistent position. Is that your

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

2005-05-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/18/2005 10:12:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can understand you saying that at conception we don't have a human, at 21 we do, and somewhere in between we draw a line. But, that line should be based on the being itself, not what _we've_ done.

Re: How the New York Times turned

2005-06-11 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 6/11/2005 11:20:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After years of being the So-Called-Liberal-Media in conservative perception only while repeatedly supporting nearly all of Bush's policies the New York Times is finally outraged by Bush tax policies.

Re: Gulags

2005-06-12 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 6/11/2005 5:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Castration does not stop rapists. Rape is typically a crime of power/violence. People who have been chemically castrated have subsequently raped women. I won't go into detail about how they could do

Re: Discovery Channel's Greatest American

2005-06-13 Thread bemmzim
-Original Message- From: Leonard Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Discovery Channel's Greatest American On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:19:22 -0400 John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you

Re: Gulags

2005-06-13 Thread bemmzim
-Original Message- From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:22:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Gulags At 08:28 PM Sunday 6/12/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/11/2005 5:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Re: Those who do not critique his theory, are doomed to repeat it......

2005-07-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/19/2005 10:24:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The *point* of the matter IS that, Charles Darwin was a deeply spiritual man who did not approach his very young theory with the flippancy of most people today. THAT is what Cardinal Chris is

Re: Death in the family

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 12:10:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My father-in-law died this afternoon. He'd been fighting cancer for over 2 years. His oncologist gave up on him 2 months ago. I figured he had 6 weeks at the outside at that point, but he hung on

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 1:41:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd say that that description is much more accurate of the anti-war movement that's cruelly using this poor woman. So let me get this straight. Someone puts the president in an uncomfortable position

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 2:07:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So he's staying the course and ignoring anyone who criticizes his policies. I'm afraid that Ms. Sheehan isn't going to get any satisfaction from Mr. Bush, no matter how long she waits for him. She

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 2:46:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So here we've got a case where this poor woman has, under the influence of far-left figures, made claims that echo the traditional anti-semitic slanders, and been supported in those claims by some of

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 7:37:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, it's about intellectual honesty and intellectual courage. It's now pretty clear to me that you _do_ believe these things. This doesn't shock me, and it explains a lot. I find these sort of ad

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 8:12:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the choices you've made today -- ad hominem attacks, guilt by association, putting words into Cindy Sheehan's mouth, I draw the conclusion that you and your kind are scared shitless of her and the

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 8:15:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, of course, I did. I don't recall if I posted on list about it, but I thought the Terri Schiavo thing was outrageous, and I said so in quite a few places. I don't have any problem looking at the

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 8:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think your take on her not being manipulated is fairly accurate. But, the start of this thread was how heartless and mindless Bush is to not meet with her. That I think is inaccurate. Out of

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 8:40:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's possible that she feels she's got evidence to support the claim that Iraq was about Israel (I'm more inclined to think it's about SA, but that's me). It's even possible to support a lot of what

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 8:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember, she said Israel, which is NOT universally equivalent to or representative of Judaism. I believe that there is no shortage of observant Jews who consider the modern nation-state of Israel to be

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:09:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean, shit: If Gautam can write a speech for me and Nick to denounce our imaginary anti-semitism, why the frick can't they come up with a speech for the president? Please understand that your people

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:12:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:20:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree completely with Gautam here. She is saying there is a jewish conspiracy to help Israel. Gautam isn't saying it Sheridan is. Point of information: Gautam is decidedly male.

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:39:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: your people? You mean the Land family? People from Pittsburgh? Parents who, like me, have lost a child? People in mixed-race marriages? Left-handers? People who use Macintosh? Oh, you mean goyim.

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-16 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:45:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please understand that your people have been very bad to my people for over a milenium. The arguements are the same then as now. Pardon me for being a bit touchy about this but when good people let

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:08:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And of course we need to hold people like Sheehan to the same vigorous standards we hold professional polititians.G People who pu themselves in the public eye as Sheehan has can expect to have what

Re: Not anti-Semetic?

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The discussion of anti-Semetism reminded me of a reference to Jews that I didn't think was anti-Semetic. It was in Spamalot. King Arthur was given a second task by the Knights who Say 'Ni': putting on

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:34:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gautam, I actually have sat with Cindy and heard what she has to say about Israel. I'm telling you that she's not anti-Semitic. I'm not going to go along with your notion that I need to disavow her

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:36:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see this as a statement necessarily directed against Jews, and I think people are reading a lot of stuff between the lines that may not be there. But it is an emotive subject, so that is to be

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you really saying that for anybody to suggest that Israel has a lot of influence in Washington is the same as saying that there is a century-long conspiracy theory about the Jewish people? Nick

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:48:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shall we play The Oppressed Minority game? 'Cause unless you're ALSO gay I have you beaten fair and square on that front. Or are we going to stop being so goddamned infantile and TRY to have a

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:50:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody has said anything of the sort and you're just fanning the fires by adding such language to the discussion. Keep conflating Israel and the Jewish people and you'll stir things up plenty. I

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cindy argues that the war deliberately serves the interests of Israel, the nation, excessively -- that Israel, the nation, has too much influence in Washington. You may choose to turn that into a vast

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:29:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *Sigh*. No, SHE DID NOT. Nowhere does Sheehan make that claim. Get off your high horse and argue from a perspective of reason. The implication is clear.

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:32:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An honest question: had Sheehan not used the words to benefit Israel in the first sentence or not Israel in the second, would this still be anti-semitic? The still flows without those words, I

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:34:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't the president and much, if not all of his administration Neocon? They are more oldo-cons. Neocons are a specific intellectual movement. The president may subscribe to some of their beliefs but I

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:37:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dan, that's just wrong. Pointing at the NeoCons influencing our foreign policy is not the same thing as anti-semitism. But the neocons have influence on many aspects of foreign policy. Their suport of

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:52:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Furthermore, isn't it not only possible but highly likely that the goals of the Neocons are intended to be beneficial to both Israel _and_ the U.S.? How about the US and Israel. But I don't think the

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:22:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So let's see... You're not in favor of racially-motivated stereotyping when it persecutes your people, but when it comes to me, it's perfectly OK to paint me with the European-descended Christian

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 1:09:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know and I don't really understand Bob's viewpoint - I wish he'd clarify. PNAC and the neoconservative movement look to me to be the foundation of the current administration so when I hear

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 10:51:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for how the war benefits Israel, it doesn't take a political scholar to figure out that as a democracy and ally of the United States, Israel could benefit if we actually could turn Iraq into a

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 10:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, geez, don't even give the statement that much credibility. Cindy never said a word about what any Israelis may or may not have done to bring about the war. She was critizing her favorite target,

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:07:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: very disappointed that anybody would take Cindy's words this way. Very, very sad. One can believe that the United States acts excessively in Israel's interest without being anti-Semitic.

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:30:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surely it is obvious to you as a student of international relations that our country has many, many reasons for supporting Israel than have nothing to do with the fact that it is a Jewish state. But

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 1:22:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just read all of Zimmy's posts in this thread and couldn't find any statement which could be construed to mean that the only reason Perle and Wolfie get attention/are known to people is because they are

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 3:08:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I deny that I am an anti-semite, therefore I am in denial of my anti-semitism. What a load of bullshit Or you like many people in our culture do not acknowledge a subtle prejudice. That does not make

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 4:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, there are a lot of Christian sects which have a history of Jewish persecution. uh uh - essentially all christian sects have historically been anti-semitic. Really really anti-semitic, way more

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 7:16:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was only when scratch any non-Jew and you'll find an anti-Semite paranoia entered this conversation that it got out of hand. It is not paronia when people really are out to get you. History tells

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 9:46:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you are blaming the jews for 911? Yes indeed you are. Why not go all the way. The Israelis did it which is why all the jews stayed home that day. Do you have any idea how irrational this appears?

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 10:16:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that figuring that the land area of Jerusalem is 1/19th of the amount of land they were offered in 2000, or what? (Given that many Palestinians make it clear that they will accept nothing less

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 10:49:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was more of the opinion that neo-con and intellectual were mutually exclusive. Of course I was afraid to say so on the grounds I might be accused of hating Jews, which is why I haven't also

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 11:02:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the source of criticism? Comments from an atheist I would analyze differently than comments originating in a Klan rally Any source ___

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 11:18:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm, so one person that uses a given argument is *not* something, but another person that uses a given argument *is* something? Neocon refers to a specific politcal philosophy. One can use arguements

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 11:38:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right; *your* simplistic notion is that she's somehow anti-semitic, as is anyone who supports her. My notion is that she made a anti-semitic remark of a particularly virulent type. People who support

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 11:43:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My problem with this line of reasoning is that one could easily assume that because of The Southern Strategy, the Republican Party is a racist institution. (Or perhaps *was* would be better) Just using

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-17 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/17/2005 11:56:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the kazilioinst time, if you want to understand why this remark is hurtful read some fing history. James Carrol's Sword of Constantine, Philp Johnson's History of the Jews. Actually it's Paul

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread bemmzim
oil and enriching the people who turn ar ound and use this money to support terrrorists. (Bemmzim, before you reply to the above, please bear in mind that just because you say something is anti-semitic DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS. And I'll thank you to stop making assumptions about how well I

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread bemmzim
-Original Message- From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:25:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/17/2005 11:02:04 PM Eastern

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 12:39:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sure that the nudge nudge wink wink reaction is true for a lot of people. But that wasn't my question, was it? What I'd like to know is if you think that the only reason Perle and Wolfie are known

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 12:51:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that seems rather unfair to me. If, going by what you say, the fact of Jewish oppression for two millennia on certain continents gives the Jews the right to suspect any statement of carrying the

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 1:40:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Geez hang on a cotton picking minute, who was the one going on about Jewish conspiracy theories being a lot of crap... and now you are saying there is one sorry, I am at a loss here. The neocon

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 2:03:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see this as a statement necessarily directed against Jews, and I think people are reading a lot of stuff between the lines that may not be there. But it is an emotive subject, so that is to be

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 4:56:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now this is what confuses me: How is Andrew being an anti-semitist for raising the possibility that the Arab anger towards the US might be, in part, responsible for 9/11? And why are you not an

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 9:53:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Zimmy and I have argued tooth and nail on a few points. But I've liked him and respected him for about 5 years. I'm certainly not Jewish, but I try to listen to people with other vantage points and

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 11:57:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe when *some* people talk about them. And only if they know that history. And only if they know that Wolfowitz and Pearle are jewish. Which, prior to this thread, I didn't. Perhaps I should have

Re: Fw: [GSFP-ALL] Re: Israel

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 12:52:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hoopla about Israel.Months ago Cindy sent an e-mail to the producer of Nightline. She had been treated badly by Sam and was clarifying some issues. She commented about the middle east in the e-

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 1:06:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel has no influence on U.S. policy except through American Jews? Are you kidding? That's ludicrous. Israel has influence on U.S. policy because of where it is, because it is a democracy in

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 1:15:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hope that nothing I've written sounds as though I endorse blaming Israel or anybody else. What matters to me is who is responsible and how we grieve and heal together. I have had no quarrel with you

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 3:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It kind of cracks me up that our leading defender of Judaism can't spell Wailing Wall. It's about lamentation, not cetacean-hunting. for any one who knows me they will no theat sppeeeling is knot

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 3:20:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you do not understand the thrust of Zimmy's argument, which seems to be that for hundreds or thousands of years, various forms of overt and covert evils have been leveled against Jews by various

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 8:25:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a serious note, I can see zimmys viewpoint. And why it would be troubling. It's just that you need to be careful about carrying your own cultural baggage into other peoples conversations. I had no idea

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/18/2005 11:54:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, Bob Z. can't spell or type very well, but he is incredibly intelligent in a number of areas that haven't come up on-list lately. I'm sorry that this was the first topic that really stirred him up

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/19/2005 7:58:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you completely missed the point of my arguement and then brought up something irrelevent about atheists I see no point. I didn't miss any point. I have been lucid and direct, and did not bring

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/19/2005 7:59:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I never claimed minority status. By pointing out your alignment with Judaism, you did precisely that. Or are you going to say that you're not Jewish now? There is a big difference between saying that

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:10:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had asked what the source of the criticism was, because to me it is abundantly clear that we can a priori assume a Klansman would have a completely different intention than (for instance) an atheist.

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-19 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:16:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And you have failed to provide documentary evidence to support your claims against Cindy Sheehan I made no attempt to offer evidence because the arguement moved from her to the statement. In this

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-21 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/20/2005 9:30:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, it's not... quantum mechanics is a reasonable, scientific theory. The Jews-run-the-world idea is a paranoid goofball conspiracy theory. That makes all the difference. I believe the latter is

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-21 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/20/2005 9:41:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe that self-deceit enables this kind of behavior. The provost of my college was a spy during WWII and interviewed Nazi scientists during the Nuremburg war trials. He challenged each incoming

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-21 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/20/2005 10:17:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It came from Eric Clapton. :-) I have to talk to him about that ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-21 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/20/2005 10:30:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then this is a big difference between you and me. While you've been going on and on about subtle anti-semitism, you probably haven't felt its effects, yet you've been suggesting that I don't

Re: Mindless and Heartless

2005-08-23 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/22/2005 11:59:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, the issue I have with your contentions (to the extent they refer to me) is that you seem to be suggesting I have insensitivity to subtle bigotries as suffered by a particular group, which (to

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

2005-09-02 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/1/2005 11:03:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS: with all the reproductive isolation we've foisted upon dogs (not to mention rats!) Why haven't we created any new species? We have. Dogs _are_ an artificial creation of Humanity They are a

Re: Gas Prices

2005-09-02 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/2/2005 5:50:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Price controls are almost always a bad idea. They've always been a bad idea. They're the idea of people who think that they are somehow morally exempt from the laws of supply and demand, a position

Re: Gas Prices

2005-09-03 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/2/2005 10:49:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, if there is a shortage, and prices are kept constant, what, besides rationing or gas lines, would reduce demand to the level of supply? This isn't a rhetorical question, I can't think of another

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

2005-09-10 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/10/2005 7:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, do we influence our own evolution in the same fashion? Yes. YES. Yes! And no. Both; all four. Unfortunately the most likely effect of our environmental impact will be our own

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

2005-09-18 Thread bemmzim
Sorry if I seem so contentious on the point but I repeat, the vehement reliance of natural selection as a mechanism for macro-Evolution has stiffled the quest for truth in this arena for a century (and still does!) This the standard arguement against natural selectioin. It is used

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

2005-09-24 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/24/2005 8:03:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can blind cave fish could result purely from random mutations (among several sub species no less)? I believe that several billion tetras must have been sucked into Mexican caves in order for random

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