Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

Jan Coffey wrote: --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: statistics gatheing techniqes vary and therefore are not comparable. Bullsh*t. Or at least bullsh*t until you provide evidence that the above is true, or your own statistics that use the same &quo

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (And, oh yes: Texas does not have less crime than other states.) For instance, the murder rate in Texas in 2000 was 5.9 http://www.cjpc.state.tx.us/stattabs/crimeintexas/00CrimeSection_U.pdf While the rate in New York for the same year was 5.0 http://www.disastercenter

Re: _Politics,_was_[L3]_Re:_fight_the_evil_of _pricediscrimination

Jan Coffey wrote: A society where everyone was carrying a weapon would be a society where the week and the meek would have equal power when they walk out of their front door. It would be More peacefull and provide for More equality. Yea, like the gangs in our cities that all have guns. They'

Re: Scouted: Okay to execute the evil ham and cheese sandwich?

Julia Thompson wrote: "Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: [Two subject lines just begging to be merged. Someone else can come up with an appropriate message.] Define "execute". You could assemble a ham and cheese sandwich, and by some slight bending of one meaning of "execute", you'd have done it. Then

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

Jan Coffey wrote: statistics gatheing techniqes vary and therefore are not comparable. Bullsh*t. Or at least bullsh*t until you provide evidence that the above is true, or your own statistics that use the same "gathering techniques" or that make the necessary corrections. And even if gathering

Re: Most Dangerous States

Ronn!Blankenship wrote: And personally I would prefer they sober up and get a job rather than holding me up or robbing my house or place of business to buy drugs. Who has a suggestion for bringing about that state of affairs? We could extend the highly successful war on drugs to include alcoho

Re: Most Dangerous States

Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: Most Dangerous States http://www.morganquitno.com/dang02.htm Nevada 7

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

Ronn!Blankenship wrote: No. On the flip side, if I'm a law-abiding citizen who knows how to handle and use a gun, should I be relegated to second-class status because I choose to own and carry a gun? From an earlier post of mine: All that being said, there are too much a cult of arms in this

Re:_Politics,_was_[L3]_Re:_fight_the_evil_of price_discrimination

Jan Coffey wrote: C) everyone should have a gun. I don't want one and neither do a substantial number of people in the country, possibly approaching a majority. Are we all relegated to second class status because we refuse to carry a gun? Sorry Jan, but that's just loony fringe stuff. Doug

Re: Update on Nick's friend/biz partner

Nick Arnett wrote: Dave, his wife, everyone at the hospital and I were very optimistic, very positive throughout the last few days, after the initial shock and fear on Sunday, especially because Dave and his wife lost their first son to a brain tumor eight years ago. I've really felt uplifted by

Re: Author question

Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 05:53:18PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: P.S. Dang! I went off-subject on my own post. Do you know the etymology of the word "dang"? Alliteration of the word damn. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/li

Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39500-2003Aug9.html Exerpt: "At issue was Iraq's efforts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes. The U.S. government said those tubes were for centrifuges to enrich uranium for a nuclear bomb. But the IAEA, the world's nuclear watchdog, had uncovere

Re: Most Dangerous States

Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 07:41:01PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I agree. OTOH, if you are an 80-year-old woman with arthritis who has to shuffle around with a walker, you probably don't have the dexterity or strength to use a throwing knife, sword, or

Re: Most Dangerous States

Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:12 PM 8/17/03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States > Jan Coffey wrote: > > > > --- Andr

Drugs (was Most Dangerous States)

Ronn!Blankenship wrote: 3) Are people more likely to be killed by someone sober or by someone who has been using drugs or alcohol? When are we going to wake up and realize that people want to get high? From the mild stimulus of caffeine, the outwardly innocuousness of nicotine and the destr

Re: Most Dangerous States

Deborah Harrell wrote: Darn it! I had a reply almost done, and then our electricity flickered... (impressive storm!)... Thanks, Debbi, looks like good stuff, though it could take a while to digest. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Drugs (was Most Dangerous States)

Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ronn!Blankenship wrote: The wrongness of our approach to this problem seems so blatantly obvious to me that I have to be suspicious of the real motives behind drug prohibitions. Doug According to your theory, which

Re: US notches world's highest incarceration rate

Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html The prison population has quadrupled since 1980. Much of that surge is the result of public policy, such as the war on drugs and mandatory minimum sentencing. Nearly 1 in 4 of the inmates in federal and state prisons are t

Re: Drugs (was Most Dangerous States)

Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Drugs (was Most Dangerous States) Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: From:

Re: Drugs

Dan Minette wrote: The disruption we've created in Columbia has torn that nation apart. Your suggesting that there would be no gurrillas if we just allowed the cocaine traffic to flourish? Wouldn't the drug czars just own the government and run it like the Mafia then? Yes. If cocaine were wort

Re: Scouted: Metrosexuals...

Deborah Harrell wrote: If He Spends More On Hair-Care Products Than Me, It Won't Work Out Maru Suave, $1 a large bottle on sale. And with my retreating hairline that lasts a long time. As long as someone doesn't wash the dogs with it, that is. Doug ___

Re: Drugs (was Most Dangerous States)

Both Nick and Dan wrote interesting replies to my last post in this subject, but I haven't had the time or energy to respond properly and may not for several days as I'm headed out of town soon. Just wanted to let you know that I'm not ignoring your posts... Doug Bed, very soon... ___

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

Dan wrote: So, let my put forth a hypothetical. Lets assume this was done by an administration that had shown a real sucess rebuilding Afganistan, and had a very good team ready to work in reconstructing Iraq, and had laid out the real costs to the American people and gotten buy in. Lets supp

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

Steve Sloan wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: > What did the U.S. have to gain by intervening in Rwanda? Diddly squat, but that doesn't mean dedicated critics of the US couldn't come up with something. Presumably, Rwanda had something useful enough for past European imperialists to

Re: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

Debbi wrote: who admits to having a bit of a thing for vampires-struggling-to-overcome-their-bloodlust... ;} Too much Barnibus (sp?) as a youth? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

Dan wrote: OK, you put brackets on your opinion, which I appreciate. But, let me explore it further. Was our intervention in Bosnia acceptable? Should we have stopped the genocide in Rwanda? Our hands are full, but should somebody stop what's going on in Sudan? What about my position. If Hu

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

Dan wrote: But, if one supports Andrew's statement as it stands, it would be worthwhile to see how they consider the most obvious counter-examples. I don't agree with Andrew completely. For instance the pre-emptive strike by Israel in the Seven Day War was justified. It becomes more obvious ev

Re: March for Women's Lives

Dan wrote: I think that you may be making an error extrapolating from the specific to the general. Proper care of little humans requires significantly greater effort than proper care of little sock puppets. For example, you can roll a little sock puppet up and put it in the drawer for months,

Re: Iraq and Vietnam

Chad wrote: The current uprising is really a last stand, so to speak, for the insurgents. I hope you're right, but I'm afraid it's wshfull thinking. http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0416/040420_news_iraq.php http://tinyurl.com/2g496 -- Doug ___ h

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

Gautam wrote: Since the environmental movement has done more harm to the poor of the world than any other such supposedly well-intentioned group, their dogma gets a very visceral reaction from me. When you get down to it, you've got a bunch of people who would rather millions of poor brown peopl

Re: Iraq and Vietnam

I wrote: Chad wrote: The current uprising is really a last stand, so to speak, for the insurgents. I hope you're right, but I'm afraid it's wshfull thinking. http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0416/040420_news_iraq.php http://tinyurl.com/2g496 Forgot to say that I stole this link from Ritu'

Re: March for Women's Lives

Julia wrote: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck. Julia Every Mother Is A Working Mother Maru Geeze, Julia, raising kids wouldnt be meaningfull work now

The Bush White House

(http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2002/images/rotation-review/images/008_v2868-13-sa-697v.html) http://tinyurl.com/23mxa -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

David wrote: The problem is that there aren't enough jobs to go around, so some people wind up in dangerous jobs. Did they VOLUNTARILY choose those jobs? Technically, yes. But they didn't have enough other choices for it to really be a free choice. Of course what a snot nosed kid whose idea of

Re: Mike Lee quotes

David wrote: Mike-- I wouldn't want to offend you after all the care you have taken not to hurt anyone's feelings, but there's a rumor that you are an alter ego of an established list member. If so, would it be O.K. if I killfiled you? Your main persona could always post for you o

Re: life decision

Kevin wrote: I know I'll have to make this choice on my own. Just wondering what I might be missing. Since you're single, I'd say go with your heart on this one. It's a much tougher decision if you've got mouths to feed. As for the o-fer, maybe it's _because_ of the place and the mentality of

Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq

Dan wrote: Given this, I would argue that public opinion is very volatile. It can easily swing against the US. The natural tendency is against the US, and it takes a tremendous amount of work to slow the slide in that direction. The longer we are in control, the more difficult it will beespe

Re: March for Women's Lives

Kneem wrote: You aren't very bright are you. Actually, I'm leaning toward the caricature theory after his most recent posts. I'm very curious as to who he really is. I thought Erik hinted that he and John Doe were the same person early on, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Whoever he

Re: March for Women's Lives

Dan wrote: - Original Message - From: "Damon Agretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives Can someone explain what exactly a sock puppet is anyway, for those of us not as net savvy? A

Re: Battlestar Galactica

Ronn! wrote: Assuming you want to hold the ground. If for some reason you are simply interested in wiping out vermin (the alien race) who pose a threat to you, perhaps in the way that a nest of very nasty hornets in a tree right outside your back door would, you could simply sterilize the planet

Re: Help Needed

On Sat, 1 May 2004 23:28:06 -0500 (CDT), Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 2 May 2004, Ritu wrote: Could somebody please direct me to the archives of the list on the net? My Outlook now cuts out the lines at the bottom... Ritu, who wants to hunt out Mike Lee's mail http://www.m

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

Gautam wrote: http://oxblog.blogspot.com/2004_05_02_oxblog_archive.html#108358591971936946 Ritu, Andrew, I'm sure the Iraqis would be _much_ better off if nothing like this ever happened there. I am willing to make a bet that no report of this, or anything like it, will show up in the supposedly

Re: More on the environmental movement

Gautam wrote: I was criticizing a movement that has done immeasurable harm to the world's poor, and you kind of jumped in. Fine. But you (I notice) haven't actually agreed with me on what are - I believe - very baseline positions. Use DDT in countries where malaria is endemic. If not, why not?

The Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did

http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html "Why did Nixon push for a [DDT] ban? We may never know. A few older Washington DC policy experts have suggested that some of his election campaign supporters were chemical companies that produced alternatives to DDT and so stood to gain handsomely b

Rumsfeld Under Fire for Prison Scandal

http://tinyurl.com/2o9cu "State Department official described "extreme frustration" that months of pressure produced no real change. But Rumsfeld's aides point out that at least two major internal assessments were ordered at the time. In one, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, the commander of the

Re: The Lost Hearts and Minds

Mike Lee wrote: But Gary has gone way over the line. I can't wait to see what y'all will say now. I don't expect much, so surprise me, prove you're not just a cozy coterie of moral dilettantes. I don't really give a rat's ass what the dick-hat thinks about Gary but in case other's comprehension

Bush administration fears more photos will surface

This disaster is George W. Bush's responsibility and this scandal is a direct reflection of the incompetence of his administration and their tendency to ignore competent experts in favor of loyal cheerleaders when making policy. The only good that can come of this is that any chance that this w

Interesting Perspective

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0517/p09s01-coop.html or http://tinyurl.com/ypcov On Abu Ghraib and war itself: See through relativism of abuse By Earl Martin and Pat Hostetter Martin exerpt: "Before the United States launched "the optional war" in Iraq, practitioners of nonviolence were advocating

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

JDG wrote: The right idea: -military assaults on no less than four of its neighbors -10,000 children dying per month (per UNICEF and WHO) -a near permanent US presence in the Muslim Holy Land outraging Arabs -four years and counting of defiance of UN weapons inspections -torture of political pris

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

Gautam wrote: Since Bill Clinton himself has stated on many occasions that he agreed with the Bush Administration's interpretation of Iraqi threat, that's a remarkable statement of his omniscience there, Doug. Would Clinton have depended on stove piped intelligence from expatriate Iraqis with an a

Re: Bushworld

JDG wrote: At 06:14 PM 5/19/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Apr/04272004/commenta/commenta.asp I can't believe that anyone found this diatribe coherent. That's because you're a resident in good standing in Bushworld!! 8^) -- Doug _

THE GRAY ZONE

This is the (long) Hersh article that has been making headlines this past week. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact or http://tinyurl.com/3awqm "In an odd way,â Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, said, âthe sexual abuses at Abu Ghraib have become a diver

Re: THE GRAY ZONE

On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:55:44 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 11:45:11AM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: This is the (long) Hersh article that has been making headlines this past week. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact or http://tinyu

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

JDG wrote: I'm continually amazed at our ability to talk past each other on this issue. Of course Bill Clinton would have fallen victim to using much of the same intelligence. That's because neither Administration was treating intelligence as a "black box."They weren't saying "I wonder if I

Re: Bishop Sheridan Re: Unitarians not a religion

The Fool wrote: All discussions involving JDG morph into an abortion discussion. It's as if he had an agenda... I have my adamant differences with John, but I have to say I'm kind of sick of these personal attacks. Not only don't they do anything to advance your argument, they're counterpr

Re: All good things...

Gautam wrote: << Dear Friends, Today marks my last day at McKinsey, and virtually my last day in New York. >> Wow, Gautam, big news. Best of luck in all your endeavors... Hey, we haven't had any baseball talk yet this year. Have you been too busy to pay attention? It sure is shaping up to be

Re: Friday (the cat)

John Horn wrote: Friday, 1988 - 2004. RIP. My condolences to you and your family, John. I didn't realize how much my dog Lucky meant to me until she passed last fall. Now we're slowly loosing our 10 1/2 year old white boxer, Ali, to heart disease. 8^( -- Doug ___

Re: brin-l-books stats

David wrote: I never read this one, so I resisted the temptation to rate it "useless". You were tempted to rate a book you haven't read? I did rate the C.S. Lewis books, _Perlandra_ etc, as "useless". Mentioning other planets does not make an allegory into science fiction. (Similarly for _Animal

Humor

A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks for?" St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will mov

Re: Southern-ness test

David wrote: I got 38/71 on general knowledge, and guesses. (How many guesses? Wow, an actual real-life application of algebra! Solving (71-x) + (x/4) = 38, I get that around 44 were guesses.) 44/71 - Southern Sympathizer Ha. I lived in South Carolina for about a year while in the Navy, and ma

Re: Partisan Humor

JDG wrote: I thought it was funnier when Republicans passed this joke around about Bill Clinton JDG - And that probably wasn't the first time, Maru P.S. Of course if Bush is such a calculating liar then he can't exactly be a bumbling fool, now can he? Get a grip, John, it's just a dumb joke. P

Re: Partisan Humor

Vilyehm wrote: I smell olive loaf He who smelt it dealt it... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Moon Over Washington

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 11:14 PM 6/9/04, Julia Thompson wrote: William T Goodall wrote: > > On 10 Jun 2004, at 2:07 am, The Fool wrote: > > > <> > > Rats! Not hang-gliding nudists then... That

Re: Ray Charles Dies

William wrote: On 11 Jun 2004, at 2:05 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040610/D834E06O0.html Ray Charles, a transcendent talent who erased musical boundaries between the sacred and the secular with hits such as "What'd I Say,""Georgia on My Mind" and "I Can't Stop Lovi

To Your Scattered Plotlines Go

On the strength of the lists rating of P.J. Farmers Riverworld book _To Your Scattered Bodies Go_ I picked it up a long with the second two books of the series. My reaction after having read the first 3/4s or so: gawd, this won a Hugo? And was top rated by brin-l??? Beyond the meandering, poi

Da Vinci Code

I finished this one a month or so ago and while some of it was interesting I thought the endless train of riddle solving got tiresome and that the twist near the end was poorly done. Has anyone else here read it? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/ma

Re: Da Vinci Code (Spoilers)

David Hobby wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E Somewhere around half-way through it, I started yelling at the characters, saying something on the order of, "Take the stupid puzzle box to an CAT scanner already!" Getting out of so many tight squeezes was another thing that bothered me. The twist at

Re: To Your Scattered Plotlines Go

Erik wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:01:04PM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Beyond the meandering, pointless plot, the flat, uninteresting characters and the asinine dialog, the whole idea seems a bit dumb to me. I'm sorry if I'm trashing someone's favorite book, but it's

Re: Da Vinci Code (Minimal spoilers)

Robert wrote: The book just before The DaVinci Code, Angels And Demons, is a much better book and a lot more fun. It had me wondering why people made such a big deal over TDC. Good to know. I bought that when I was enthused with TDC (in the beginning) but haven't started it because of my eventual

Basketball

I'm feeling so badly for the Lakers now that they're down 3-1 in the finals. Poor Kobe. Poor Shaq. Poor Phil. Poor L.A. -- Doug Go Pistons maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: WTF: Court Allows 'Under God' on Technicality

Gary Nunn wrote: How lame can this be? The heart of the article.. Court Allows 'Under God' on Technicality For now, five justices said the court could not rule on the case because California atheist Michael Newdow does not have full custody of his daughter. They definitely whimped out. What

Re: Dirty Bomb Would Be a Dud

John Horn wrote: I agree with that but it is a completely different issue. If someone was planning on blowing up the Lincoln Memorial with a pack of playing cards they would still be liable to be prosecuted with that even if it is completely impossible, right? I see your point, but would the reac

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

Gary wrote: Of course this threat is no different that any other terrorist threat, it's just a little closer to home for me. I have always said that the best way to create true terror would be the random bombing or destruction of small town targets that have no strategic value. Aye, look at the t

Re: WTF: Court Allows 'Under God' on Technicality

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:59:14 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 07:46 PM 6/14/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: They definitely whimped out. What this means to me is that they were afraid to rule because of the impact their ruling would have, so they found a way to weasel out of maki

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

Julia wrote: And what, if anything, does the ACLU have to say about the white crosses at roadside spots where people were killed in automobile accidents? I know there would be a lot of angry people if they tried to have those banned. I think the gist of the decision is summarized in this quote fr

Re: Da Vinci Code (Spoilers)

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:32:52 -0400, David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: David Hobby wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E Oh, that twist! As I recall, that was 100 pages from the end. (Yes, a fair-sized book.) I thought you meant the ironic "big pile of historica

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

JDG wrote: I don't think you said that right. I am unaware of any Constitutional provision against exclusionary and offensive speech on federal lands. JDG - Something about defending your right to say it, Maru . Come on John, you know that one of the reasons for the bill of rights, perhaps

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

JDG wrote: Come on John, you know that one of the reasons for the bill of rights, perhaps the preeminent reason, was to protect people that might otherwise be excluded by the majority. That's what separation of church and state is all about. But aren't you the first person to also mention that

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

William wrote: If this was the only similar case in the pipeline then fair enough. But with such an egregious violation that seems surprising. Again, if it was the only such case, fair enough. But otherwise why pick this one which can be eliminated on a technicality? Presumably any other similar a

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

JDG wrote: At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the VFW's speech that is in question. Because it is on U.S. government property is the U.S. Government's speech. The VFW doesn't figure at all in the decision,

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:17:32 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 12:09 AM 6/16/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: The VFW often burns flags John. :-) You caught me! Still, even if the VFW were unceremoniously burning flags in Mojave, I think that they'd probably have a lot more support on Brin-L t

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

JDG wrote: You have stated that you believe the VFW is Constitutionall prohibited because it is, quote, "exclusionary and offensive." I don't believe I ever said anything about the VFW except that their involvement in this argument is irrelevant. By allowing the religious symbol to remain

The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Jefferson

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. Gentlemen The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist associat

The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Madison

From a letter to Jasper Adams, president of the College of Charleston, 1832 "I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions & doubts on une

The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Washington, Adams, Franklin

"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country." George Washington, 1789 "The

Re: Speaking of Quantum.........

Ronn! wrote: What is really bad is that _Star Trek_ is considered an *old* television show . . . So What Does That Make Its Viewers? Maru Turning fifty in about 32 days? -- Doug The Final Frontier Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Washington, Adams, Franklin

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:46:05 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A pretty selective sampling there, Doug. It's enough to show that the constitution provided a "wall of separation" in the minds at least some of the more prominent founders. It also neglects the fact, that your reading of the Const

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

JDG wrote: Thus, this Court ruling would appear to jeopardize NPS preservation of religious cultural resources in a number of Parks, included preserved churches in Great Smoky Mountains National Park and Cape Lookout National Seashore, as well as Native American ceremonial kivas at numerous Parks t

Re: Speaking of Quantum.........

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:08:29 +0900, G. D. Akin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Doug Wrote: Turning fifty in about 32 days? -- Ah, you're still a puppy :-) George A Woof (cough) woof. -- Doug ___ http://ww

Re: The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Washington, Adams, Franklin

Dan wrote: I'm sure that one can deconstruct it to mean anything, but the word "creator" meant at the time "being who created." I'm not really an origional intent guy, but I think using the same mapping of combination of letters onto ideas as they used at that time is really a good idea. In oth

Re: Speaking of Quantum.........

Ronn! wrote: Was your father a lot older at that age, or was it only mine? Way, way, way older. Ancient. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

Erik wrote: Unless a very large super-majority agrees with you, you would be wrong to do so. You would be taking something that you do not have the right to take. Besides being unjust, it is also likely to be inefficient -- wasting your time on short-term, trivial matters instead of applying yourse

Re: Two Convention Thoughts

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:50:22 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1. Bill Clinton is _still_ the best in the business. My God, what a genius. His was the only speech I caught, but it left me second guessing the term limit. If he were running this year it would already be over

Re: What Kerry Did on 9/11

John wrote: Kudos to Red State for finding that. And for noting: "It should be noted that the second plane hit the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m., and the plane hit the Pentagon at 9:43 a.m. By Kerry's own words, he and his fellow senators sat there for forty minutes, realizing 'nobody could th

Re: What Kerry Did on 9/11

JDG wrote: And isn't Kerry being a little hypocritical to say that he would have done something different were he being paid the big bucks, given his own stated reactions? No. You react much differently to a situation when you have the responsibility for controlling it. Frex, if you are the d

Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...

Dan wrote: Have you looked in the papers to see where the movie is playing in Bush states? I have, but then again I live in one. It didn't play in the Woodlands, but it did play in multi-plexes well into Bush country around Houston...not just the Third Ward. :-) It was playing in every real tow

Re: Contraception

JDG wrote: It is worth noting that there are an awful lot of 1, 2, and 3-child Catholic families thanks to NFP. It's probably even more worthy to note that there are probably many times more 1 2 and 3 child Catholic families thanks to the pill. http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?rec

Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...

JDG wrote: Thus, given that the incredibly insulting allegations of these Democrats have now proven to be demonstrably false in short order, in polite society an apology would be in order. Do you want to apologize for the Republican reaction to Clinton's attempts to go after bin laden following

Re: Br!n: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

Julia wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:57:57 -0700, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It brought back a great memory of the first time I managed to print a sine wave with asterisks on a (30 baud>) Teletype. Reminds me of the story of someone who attempted to log into a BBS at 300 baud by whist

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:56:11 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry... I momentarily had thought you were the *other* Julia in your response.Anyhow, I reacted so forcefully in part because there is a long history of anti-religious, anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic sentiment on this List.

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