[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1 Nov 2004, at 9:55 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are going to be watching the TV with one eye Tuesday night,
and on the
computer with the other. then how about having the Brin-L room up and
running?
It'll be there if anyone wants to use it.
I'll try to join
In a message dated 11/2/2004 12:31:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is the chat room going to work tomorrow?
yes, but ithink no one will do so untul evening news hour.
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At 10:55 PM 11/1/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
There are several factors that lead me to believe that Kerry will win
tomorrow. The youth vote that you mentioned is one. I also think that
lower income voters (another group that is not easily polled) will turn
out in record numbers and vote
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Whoever wins (my final prediction) I don't think it
will be as close as people think it will be. I think
we'll know by Wednesday morning. This with more
confidence than my actual pick for the victory.
How weird. In Brazil, we know the outcome of the elections
a couple
Miron Murcury wrote:
There is a Heinline novel about an actor who becomes
President of Earth.
Double Star
And in RAH's Future History, the USA becomes a religious dictatorship
by 2012 - which means that Kerry will win in 2004, he will be re-elected
in 2008, and lose in 2012 by one of the
Ruben Krasnopolsky wrote:
What's the big deal with a national ID card?
It's stupid and 20thcenturish.
The right thing to do is to create a World Name Database, and enforce
that every child's name is unique. Then forget about numeric IDs
and just use the registered name
Alberto Monteiro
Julia wrote...
Oh, you mean the site that John and I discussed last week,
John slamming it for using polls that don't have very good
accuracy? :)
Oops, sorry :-) I don't always follow every thread... Sorry for the double
posting!
Gary
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Also during wartime, he made completely unnecessary
cultural divisions in the American public
- for instance, no one really needed the discussion
about a gay marriage amendment right now.
snip
Bush is counting on this; that can explain why he
has been
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:37:48 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try reading this as it is very very interesting:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/votemaster-faq.html
As soon as I saw his name (Andrew Tannenbaum), I thought Gee - is
that the Andrew S. Tannenbaum who wrote the
What's the big deal with a national ID card?
It would prevent voting fraud.
It would help transparency in many other ways - So, why not?
Well, I guess it can be used for government control, and not
always in benign ways. True enough.
But right now there *are* many ways for the government
On Nov 1, 2004, at 8:53 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
Let's Just Kill Him Maru
We probably could and would have, except there was a score to settle in
Iraq.
Dave
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On Nov 1, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Unfortunately for John, this site is the most respected electoral site
on the web, getting 6 times as many hits as its closest competitor.
Try reading this as it is very very interesting:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/votemaster-faq.html
On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 12:22:20PM -0500, Gary Nunn wrote:
A national ID card sounds like a good idea in theory, but the
technology is nowhere near reliable enough to make this a reliable
system.
Not true. The technology for a distributed, redundant, fault-tolerant
system defintely exists.
Gary Nunn wrote:
Imagine this, all citizens have a federal ID card. To make it secure and
worthwhile, it must be verified by a centralized authority (if not, what's
the point, anyone could forge a fake?) You go to buy something at the
store, or renew your license, or get medical treatment, and
On Nov 2, 2004, at 9:22 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
What's the big deal with a national ID card?
It would prevent voting fraud.
It would help transparency in many other ways - So, why not?
Here is the problem with a national ID card.
It would not be impossible to forge a card, but it would
be
Not true. The technology for a distributed, redundant,
fault-tolerant system definitely exists. Look at, for example,
the Internet domain name server (DNS) system. Or google.com.
The problem is whether people are willing to spend the time
and resources necessary to design, set up, and
Serious comment, now . . .
At 12:08 PM Tuesday 11/2/04, Dave Land wrote:
On Nov 2, 2004, at 9:22 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
What's the big deal with a national ID card?
It would prevent voting fraud.
It would help transparency in many other ways - So, why not?
Here is the problem with a national ID
At 12:08 PM Tuesday 11/2/04, Dave Land wrote:
The one think they have going for them is that they are promoting a
federated, rather than centralized, authority model. That way, you'd only
be prevented from purchasing paw-paws at Kroger's if the store's network
was down. You could always go down
Ruben wrote
I respectfully disagree that this technical point kills the idea.
WHAT? Didn't anyone tell you that when you disagree on this list that
you have to be abrasive and condescending? Hey don't go disrupting the
natural order of the Brin-L universe, other people might follow
Dave wrote...
Why would this be the case? I don't have to show any ID to
buy groceries now... Do you think that the mere existence of
a national ID would change how we do all business? Would
I have to have my ID verified to buy a hot dog from the
vendor at a ball game? Would I even go
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:03 PM 11/1/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote:
3) But above all, note the tactic. Attack me for
bigotry for pointing to a map. But by all means
IGNORE the main points of my message:
That all the cheating in the news is one-sided
That all the defections
--- Ruben's right of course that my confederacy
metaphor is a stretch. A piece of disreputable
polemic for which I really oughta not be proud... but
I'm nevertheless unashamed.
In fact, the plains and rockies states were Dangeous
Ground for the Union during the Civil War. Troops and
governors
Oh, ... doesn't Chief Justice William Jefferson Clinton have a
GREAT ring to it?
Har! That'd stick in their craws! It would call for a
major blowout, tonight, though. Many new senators.
Let's go for it kinda like Sherman having one last bit of fun
before Linvoln offers malice toward
This from Stefan Jones. It's circulating on Slashdot:
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((Translation may be suspect.))
Infidels, your imperalist hubris is so decedent, you have a baseball
tournament full of Americans and Canadians, yet you dare to call it the
World Series.
Your Simpsons show is not as funny as it used to be
I am committing the 'evil' of not reading all posts in
this thread before replying (else I'd be responding
sometime next week, I fear!)...
...Not to mention top-posting! ;)
John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 03:49 AM 10/11/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote:
massive snip
You say electoral
Infidels, your imperalist hubris is so decedent, you have a baseball
tournament full of Americans and Canadians, yet you dare to call it the
World Series.
Bah! Who cares?
Your Simpsons show is not as funny as it used to be - instead of good
character based comedy, it now relies on pathetic plot
- Original Message -
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: Predicted electoral votes listed by state
Robert Seeberger wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Julia Thompson
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But John was arguing with the use of certain polls there.
Yeah, he prefers a site with a built in bias.G
Such as : http://www.electionprojection.com/
Me, I'm sticking with Zogby ;)
http://www.zogby.com
There is a special election chat currently underway for anyone that
wants to join in. Instructions are the same as usual:
As Steve said,
If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to
do is send your web browser to:
http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/
...And you can connect
Two early election thoughts
1) WV called very early for Bush; VA, NC, and SC!!! not called early for
Bush. I have no idea what this means. It is completely incongruous to
me.
2) Exit Polls are showing moral values right at the top of most
important issues for voters in OH, PA,, and
I talked a little while ago to a friend of mine who I think is Kerry's
biggest local fundraiser. He's on the DNC's legal team (he's a real
estate developer, but also an attorney) to deal with election day
issues, which assigned him to Tucson, NM. He told me that as of 5 p.m.,
they had an
How curious. I got some spam about the brazilian elections in
2004-10-03, but IIRC I got *no* spam about the USA elections.
Does it mean that neither bushites nor kerrites payed spammers
to do their dirty work?
Alberto Monteiro
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Nick Arnett wrote:
Tucson, NM. He told me that as of 5 p.m.,
they had an unheard-of 86 percent voter turnout -- and he was still
looking at a long line.
Just looked up the numbers... NM's turnout in 2000 was 47 percent.
Wow. But I think this probably is apples and oranges -- 47 percent of
At 05:49 PM 11/2/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
And as you might guess, he thinks a huge voter turnout will be good for
Kerry.
Based on the past here in ultra-safe Takoma Park, MD I decided to leave 45
mins to vote, since I seemed to recall that it took me about 20 mins to
vote in the past.
It
JDG wrote:
It took me nearly 2 hours to vote this morning.
But, no ID check was necessary - which I find to be unbelievable. I just
had to know my birthdate and my address.
So, you didn't think it was worth spending another 2 hours to vote
again for Bush as one of your friends?
In a message dated 11/2/2004 6:50:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
which assigned him to Tucson, NM.
Good luck finding it in NM!
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At 02:22 AM 11/3/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote:
JDG wrote:
It took me nearly 2 hours to vote this morning.
But, no ID check was necessary - which I find to be unbelievable. I just
had to know my birthdate and my address.
So, you didn't think it was worth spending another 2 hours to
In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:10:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A lot of liberal analysts I read are just about ready to give up on FL
meanwhile ABC News is reporting that there are 5 hour-long lines in
Cleveland and Columbus at the time of poll closing, and OH
In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:13:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did Ohio open at 6am and close at 7pm like AZ. Any shorter hours and they're
just fooling themselves
PS And in Tucson, it averages one polling place per 1/2 square mile of solid
residential
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/2/2004 6:50:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
which assigned him to Tucson, NM.
Darn, somebody caught that before I did... Just ran back to the computer
to says that I never could spell Albuquerque, so I spelled it
Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:52 PM
Subject: Running Election Thoughts
Two early election thoughts
1) WV called very early
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
How curious. I got some spam about the brazilian elections in
2004-10-03, but IIRC I got *no* spam about the USA elections.
Does it mean that neither bushites nor kerrites payed spammers
to do their dirty work?
I didn't get any spam claiming to be from either of
John D. Giorgis wrote:
A lot of liberal analysts I read are just about ready to give up on FL
meanwhile ABC News is reporting that there are 5 hour-long lines in
Cleveland and Columbus at the time of poll closing, and OH is now basically
hand-to-hand combat among the lawyers there between
In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:27:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm going to fold laundry and consider watching a little election
coverage on TV.
Julia
If only you could fold the election coverage and laundry a few politicians.
sigh
Vilyehm
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:53:23 -0800 (PST), Deborah Harrell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:
who apologizes if somebody already said this, and felt
a teeny bit smug about avoiding the long lines to vote
today (although a wait of 1.25 hours last Fri, in
Early Voting, was hardly better!) :)
Holy cow -
In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:50:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Holy cow - 75 mins? I walked in, waited for the lady in
front of me to get her ballot from the people checking
addresses, got my ballot, voted, turned it in and left. Total
time: ~7 mins including
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:36:51 -0800, d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This from Stefan Jones. It's circulating on Slashdot:
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((Translation may be suspect.))
Anyone catch the Osama translation sketch on SNL this weekend?
Some pretty funny bits. I tried to find it (or a transcript)
I went to vote at around 5:15pm and was home by 5:45. Most of that time was
taken up by driving to, from, and around the voting site (@20min) and the
store to pick up dinners (gnoccis...).
Here in my county we still use voting machines. They're avocado green (or
alternatively, they resemble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:50:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Holy cow - 75 mins? I walked in, waited for the lady in
front of me to get her ballot from the people checking
addresses, got my ballot, voted, turned it in and left.
At this point, it is hard to see how Kerry wins FL. Overall, Bush is up
300,000 votes.
Based on assuming that the remaining precincts in Broward, West Palm Beach,
and Miami-Dade report for Kerry at the same rate as the currently reported
precincts (97%, 84%, and 94%, respectfully), Kerry only
At 11:39 PM 11/2/2004 -0500 John D. Giorgis wrote:
Look for Florida to be called by 1am.
Of course, ABC would call FL just seconds after I write this ;-) and
here I was worried about saying look for the FL call by 12am.
I have just run a similar calculation on OH. There are many
On Nov 2, 2004, at 8:14 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/2/2004 8:50:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Holy cow - 75 mins? I walked in, waited for the lady in
front of me to get her ballot from the people checking
addresses, got my
Oh, and Nick's wife was still standing in line at close to 9:00.
Dave
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On Nov 2, 2004, at 9:24 PM, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 11:39 PM 11/2/2004 -0500 John D. Giorgis wrote:
Look for Florida to be called by 1am.
Of course, ABC would call FL just seconds after I write this ;-)
and
here I was worried about saying look for the FL call by 12am.
I have just run
At 10:00 PM 11/2/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
Of course, as I type that, NBC calls OH for Bush.
How's that New Zealand real estate coming along?
My county-precinct analysis also has Kerry's best-case scenario falling
18,000 votes short in New Mexico.That should break the 269-269 tie.
JDG
It seems basically over at this point - but apparently
the Kerry campaign is going to hang on. Of all the
possible outcomes, this was not one that crossed my mind.
=
Gautam Mukunda
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Freedom is not free
http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com
If you think Iowa was won by bush think again. A few days ago the
rethuglicans sent a dozen lawyers to the Johnson county auditors office
and challenged every single absentee ballot they could. (Johnson county
is one of the most democratic counties in the U.S., where shrub lost at
the polls
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