U.S. Vehicles Are Behind the Curve in Skid Safety

2004-11-28 Thread William T Goodall
http://tinyurl.com/43o4j In a study released this fall, the highway safety agency compared crash statistics for SUVs and other vehicles that had a stability-control system with the experience of identical models that lacked the technology. It found that SUVs with stability control had 63%

So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Gary Nunn
So it begins. This is my favorite part where they begin to alienate all of those that don't fit into their cookie cutter idea of Christianity. My favorite quotes from the article... Asked about the millions of Americans who are not Christian, or have a different interpretation of

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Damon Agretto
If you watch Nightline this article is almost a summary of a program they had on last week or so. And yes, the quotes sounded just as sanctimonious live as they do in the article. Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Warren Ockrassa
If these clowns love Jesus so much, I see nothing wrong with sending them to meet him immediately. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread JDG
At 12:58 PM 11/28/2004 -0500 Gary Nunn wrote: So it begins. So what begins?More demonization of Christians? Sometimes I think that for all the talk about religious tolerance, that some people believe that Christians really shouldn't be permitted to participate in the political process.

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 28, 2004, at 11:52 AM, JDG wrote: At 12:58 PM 11/28/2004 -0500 Gary Nunn wrote: So it begins. So what begins?More demonization of Christians? I didn't realize reporting of facts qualified as demonization. Or is it your argument, instead, that these people are not actually

Re: Hypothetical Uplift question

2004-11-28 Thread Keith Henson
At 10:37 PM 26/11/04 -0500, you wrote: snip The very fact that the 2 species cannot interbreed would probably be telling... I have often wondered about this. The differences are far smaller than between horses and donkeys. Is there a definite statement out there that chimps and humans can't?

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Gary Nunn
So what begins?More demonization of Christians? Sometimes I think that for all the talk about religious tolerance, that some people believe that Christians really shouldn't be permitted to participate in the political process. JDG One of my points was, that his comments clearly

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Richard Baker
JDG said: Sometimes I think that for all the talk about religious tolerance, that some people believe that Christians really shouldn't be permitted to participate in the political process. Isn't George HW Bush on record as implying that about atheists? (If the particular comment I'm

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Damon Agretto
So what begins?More demonization of Christians? Sometimes I think that for all the talk about religious tolerance, that some people believe that Christians really shouldn't be permitted to participate in the political process. I would note, John, that these are direct quotes done in front of

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Richard Baker
Warren said: If these clowns love Jesus so much, I see nothing wrong with sending them to meet him immediately. So do you have a wormhole time machine I don't know about or are you implying that you believe he really was the Son of God? Rich GOU Neca Eos Omnes: Deus Suos Agnoscet

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: RE: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time So what begins?More demonization of Christians? Sometimes I think that

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't George HW Bush on record as implying that about atheists? (If the particular comment I'm thinking about has been debunked, I think it would be a relief to know it.) Rich Actually, Timothy Noah from Slate, who absolutely hates George Bush,

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Russell Chapman
JDG wrote: So what begins?More demonization of Christians? Sometimes I think that for all the talk about religious tolerance, that some people believe that Christians really shouldn't be permitted to participate in the political process. Anyone who works to have the government and the

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Richard Baker
Gautam said: Actually, Timothy Noah from Slate, who absolutely hates George Bush, when asked to find one thing that he thought good about Bush named Bush's consistent expressions of tolerance towards atheism. See: http://www.slate.com/id/2109228 That's interesting, but also the wrong Bush.

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread William T Goodall
On 28 Nov 2004, at 10:51 pm, Richard Baker wrote: Gautam said: Actually, Timothy Noah from Slate, who absolutely hates George Bush, when asked to find one thing that he thought good about Bush named Bush's consistent expressions of tolerance towards atheism. See: http://www.slate.com/id/2109228

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread JDG
At 02:39 PM 11/28/2004 -0500 Damon Agretto wrote: So what begins?More demonization of Christians? Sometimes I think that for all the talk about religious tolerance, that some people believe that Christians really shouldn't be permitted to participate in the political process. I would note,

Re: Hypothetical Uplift question

2004-11-28 Thread John Moynihan
From :Warren Ockrassa But yeah, it's possible that after a few centuries of careful adjustment it would be pretty hard to tell us from chimps. (Interestingly I imagine the scale in reverse would be equally easy to achieve -- a few centuries of carelessness and we're basically back in the trees. ;)

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 28, 2004, at 12:39 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: And Warren, that sort of altitude is not going to win you any arguments, and in fact invalidates any sort of rational argument you with to present. Not when I'm not presenting any rational argument, which would be pointless in dealing with

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time At 02:39 PM 11/28/2004 -0500 Damon Agretto wrote: So what begins?More demonization

Re: U.S. Vehicles Are Behind the Curve in Skid Safety

2004-11-28 Thread Bryon Daly
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:18:09 +, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/43o4j In a study released this fall, the highway safety agency compared crash statistics for SUVs and other vehicles that had a stability-control system with the experience of identical models

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Gary Nunn
John wrote giving a dumb answer, we predictably see the dread-invoking post of so it begins and talk about payback.Somehow, I don't think we'd be seeing the same posts on Brin-L and articles in the MSM about payback to Big Labor and animal rights activists following a Democrat

Re: Irregulars Question: linux

2004-11-28 Thread Steve Sloan
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Has anyone here played with the xscreensaver? I am interested in using the molecule screensaver to create an animated molecule that can be exported to a file. I have trouble with two steps: (a) where are those damned .pdb files? I think you can find them, as well as a

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-28 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin Dan said: But, children are clearly capable of being sex workers. The trade in child

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time On Nov 28, 2004, at 12:39 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: And Warren, that sort of

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Ritu
William T Goodall wrote: But he also apparently said I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them. *lol* That's cute. Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-28 Thread Ritu
William T Goodall forwarded: http://skepdic.com/devadasi.html Thanks for the link. Jogan Shankar's book looks interesting. Some of the other links on that page didn't work for me, and so I did a quick google on the subject. I didn't come across a site which had comprehensive information but if

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Damon Agretto
I find it striking that when the victims of bigotry start using the same language as the bigots, we're told shame on you or to ramp back the rhetoric, as though it's poor form for us to defend ourselves. I don't even buy the you're no better argument, because I didn't throw the first punch.

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-28 Thread Ritu
Warren Ockrassa wrote: I'm unsure, furthermore, how you make the jump from paying for sex to treating the sex partner as an object. I guess it might be a matter of the amount of choice enjoyed by the women. Do they get to set their own price? Do they get to choose between

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread JDG
At 10:44 PM 11/28/2004 -0500 Gary Nunn wrote: As for the question of should religious conservatives be allowed to participate in the political process, well, yes and no. Should they be allowed to participate: yes. Should they be allowed to influence the administration to follow a religious

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-28 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, after reading one of the mails in this thread yesterday, I wouldn't say 'necessarily', but I would still say 'highly likely'. And the reason would be that that is what most of us tend to do with most of the people who provide us with services. [I,

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-28 Thread Andrew Paul
From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:44 PM 11/28/2004 -0500 Gary Nunn wrote: As for the question of should religious conservatives be allowed to participate in the political process, well, yes and no. Should they be allowed to participate: yes. Should they be allowed to influence the

RE: Deficits and the falling dollar

2004-11-28 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 11:01:45PM +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Andrew Paul wrote: This time they laughed at you if you offered them US dollars. I have a friend just back from Lebanon, who had the same experience. It is interesting