Re: [ccp4bb] CH-bond length discrepancies

2017-04-29 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
It totally depends on what you define as your C-H bond length. For XRD work, the C-H is the distance between the electron center-of-masses. For neutron or high-resolution XRD work, you can determine the distance between the nuclear center-of-masses. They are different by about 0.1A. The

[ccp4bb] REFMAC - TWIN OPTION

2014-09-17 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Can someone point me to bulletpoint documentation on using the twin refinement in CCP4? Here's what I did. 1. I'm in space group P3, and the see a very clean diffraction pattern that looks like one single lattice. Very clean spots, so merohedral twinning. 2. You can use various programs to

[ccp4bb] ATP library file in REFMAC - Part II

2014-08-27 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I appreciate all of the comments and suggestions on how to locate a better CIF file for ATP. I adopted the suggestion of Boaz, and generated a new ATP.cif file, and refined one of my structures. The validation server still uses substantially different target bond lengths and angles, so there is

Re: [ccp4bb] 18A rule reference

2014-05-05 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Divide by 11 if you count all atoms, including H-atoms; divide by 20-22 if you only count non-H-atoms, to get the approximately number of atoms in the unit cell. On Mon, May 5, 2014 6:07 am, Natalie Tatum wrote: Hi all, I've had an interesting question from an undergradute student, asking if

Re: [ccp4bb] Td ions in refmac

2013-06-07 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Is there a reason why you must use restraints with metal coordination? The main reasons that you use restraints in protein refinement is to reduce the number of free variables in the refinement, and because the resolution isn't sufficient to resolve two atoms separated by the typical

[ccp4bb] Phaser - changing number of clashes parameter

2012-06-20 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
The new CCP4I interface for PHASER removed the menu item where you could change the number of clashes. It's not set as a default to 5% of the number of C-alpha atoms. Where is the default file? I found the phaser_MR.def file in share/ccp4i/tasks, and changed the parameter value, but it still used

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Remember that it's all relative to the length of the FP vector. If your FP vector is small, then the f component can substantially change the phase, even with a small f component. So if you have measured a number of relatively weak reflections with minimal error, there is a substantial anomalous

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
No, I listed a few recent ones V. Gaur, et al., Plant Physiol., 152(4), 1842-1850 (2010) O. Antipova, J Biol Chem. 2010 Mar 5;285(10):7087-96. Epub 2010 Jan 6. Y. Nakajima, J Bacteriol. 2008 Dec;190(23):7819-29. Epub 2008 Sep 26. S. Stayrook, Nature. 2008 Apr 24;452(7190):1022-5. Many MIRAS,

Re: [ccp4bb] Collecting small-molecule diffraction on a Macromolecular xtallography beam line

2012-02-08 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Most beamlines have attenuators, so there's little reason to collect multiple sweeps. We always collect 360deg. Since it's a small molecule, and usually fairly large and robust, you can warm it up, nudge it in a different direction with a pin (we use sterile, disposable acupunture needle), and

[ccp4bb] Coot, RH6.1 x86 linux

2011-11-21 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I just installed CCP4-6.2.0 and COOT on a Red Hat v6.1, x86, linux workstation. Some of the menus, along the right edge, are gray buttons on gray background. Where is the preferences file to change the colors of the menu buttons? The menus across the top of the window are fine. Also, idiffdisp is

Re: [ccp4bb] Newbie Installation Question

2011-07-29 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I've had problems too. Some of the files are non-readable, so you need to do a sudo chmod -R a+r * to make them readable. Also it looks like the libraries changed a bit (at least for ADP). Bernie On Fri, July 29, 2011 2:08 pm, Yuri wrote: Dear all, I have just downloaded and installed the

Re: [ccp4bb] small lysozyme crystals?

2011-07-26 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
That's a really old paper. You can purchase the lysozyme from Hampton Research and it's fine. The recipe is available from the Hampton Research page: http://hamptonresearch.com/product_detail.aspx?cid=28sid=173pid=524 Grow them a low temp and you can stop them when they are the right size. I

Re: [ccp4bb] problem of conventions

2011-04-01 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Dear Ian, Well, it *IS* broke. If you are running some type of process, as you implied in referring to LIMS, then there is a step in which you move from the crystal system and point group to the actual space group. So, at that point you identify P22121. The next clear step, automatically by

Re: [ccp4bb] problem of conventions

2011-03-31 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
If you are using CCP4, it can accomodate P22121. However, just reindex in CCP4 to the correct setting with P21212. Bernie Santarsiero On Thu, March 31, 2011 9:28 am, Anita Lewit-Bentley wrote: Dear all, I would like to share my experiencde with a rather unexpected problem of indexing

Re: [ccp4bb] problem of conventions

2011-03-31 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Interesting. My IT, both volume I and volume A (1983) only have P21212 for space group #18. Do I have to purchase a new volume A every year to keep up with the new conventions? Cheers, Bernie On Thu, March 31, 2011 12:57 pm, Ian Tickle wrote: I would like to share my experiencde with a rather

Re: [ccp4bb] problem of conventions

2011-03-31 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Ian, I think it's amazing that we can program computers to resolve a b c but it would be a major undertaking to store the matrix transformations for 22121 to 21212 and reindex a cell to a standard setting. I was also told that I was lazy to not reindex to the standard setting when I was a grad

Re: [ccp4bb] X-Ray films

2011-03-27 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
This was mentioned in Marv Hackert's outgoing remarks at the ACA meeting a few years ago, and he showed the clip of the scene. Jimmy Stewart's comment is apt: It's quite fundamental. It's really odd to me that the schools don't teach it. Bernie On Sun, March 27, 2011 4:13 pm, harry powell

Re: [ccp4bb] CNS and protein structure refinement

2011-02-16 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Ditto. YES, still generally prefer CNS v1.3 to REFMAC, especially due to composite and simulated-annealing maps. Different set of flagged reflections, so it might very well be different. Also, the low-resolution solvent scaling is different between the two refinements. Bernie Santarsiero On

Re: [ccp4bb] From oscillation photographs to seeing specific sections of reciprocal lattice.

2009-06-25 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I think you should just grab a copy of Stout and Jensen, and use the oscillation photographs directly. What's so special about a precession image? You can still index the spots and follow along rl lines. Bernie Santarsiero On Thu, June 25, 2009 1:38 pm, Francis E Reyes wrote: Yes this is

Re: [ccp4bb] peak height at mouse click

2009-04-20 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Empirically, you can leave out a couple of average atoms in the structure, and recalculate the maps. If you leave out a O, N, and C atom, with relatively average B's, then you know how many electrons you should be seeing for each in the difference map. Note that the peak height will vary due to

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
We were on a Br-soak flurry for awhile, and when I also talked to others, it would work about 20-30% of the time. A few years I compared a structure with Se-Met and native with Br-soak. There were four Br's at about 30% occupancy, and it phased fine. It wasn't as good as the Se-Met phasing, but we

Re: [ccp4bb] X-Stream 2000 problem - ICING

2009-01-12 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
We've been able to run months with an old Xstream 2000 system, so that shouldn't be the problem. Unlike Frank, we haven't had problems with water in the nitrogen from a nitrogen generator. If Frank is correct, that it's water, then either the molecular sieves need to be replaced, or there is ice

[ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
In parallel with the discussion around this off-CCP4-topic, are they any good examples of the opposite case, where the protein is a monomer in solution (as evident from light scattering, MW determination through centrifugation, EPR, etc.) but crystallizes as a dimer or higher multimer? Bernie

Re: [ccp4bb] Progresss with Stereo 3D under Mac OS X Leopard

2008-09-17 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
My use goes back to Evans and Sutherland workstations, FRODO, SGI's with O, Duncan's graphics program suite, and COOT, on multiple platforms. I don't use dials at all, and multiple uses with a three-button mouse are far more favorable. I still prefer O to COOT for a number of reasons. The main

Re: [ccp4bb] Friedel vs Bijvoet

2008-06-26 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Friedel pair is strictly F(hkl) and F(-h,-k,-l). Bijvoet pair is F(h) and any mate that is symmetry-related to F(-h), e.g., F(hkl) and F(-h,k,-l) in monoclinic. There are always anomalous differences, though they can be unmeasurably small. Bernie Santarsiero On Thu, June 26, 2008 10:55 am,

Re: [ccp4bb] 2mhb

2008-06-20 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Bernhard, It's complicated. The last two columns are related to atomic Z number and group occupancy. They used a different equation than the typical Debye-Waller equation to calculate a sort of B-factor and get the electron density maps. Bernie Santarsiero On Fri, June 20, 2008 4:05 pm,

Re: [ccp4bb] is it Ok to freeze

2008-06-19 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I typically collect data at -50C on all small molecule samples. I've had quite a few cases where there are phase transitions, and you can damage the crystals, especially when the molecules are packed in a pi-pi stacking motif, or I'm dealing with alloy systems. I've also collected data at 16K, so

Re: [ccp4bb] is it Ok to freeze

2008-06-19 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Dick Dickerson tried to do the same thing at Caltech around the same time. The major problem with cooling equipment was that the Picker goniometer had lots of metal in it, and each of the metal pieces cooled and contracted differently, so the alignment was always off. Nice idea, but not useful.

Re: [ccp4bb] heavy atom derivative(s) for tutorial

2008-04-11 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Depending on your time, I'd recommend adding the use of a native gel band shift to try a one that doesn't work and one that does. http://www.doe-mbi.ucla.edu/~sawaya/m230d/Crystallization/crystallization.html I know you can use NaBr or NaI to grow lysozyme crystals as well, and they stick on

Re: [ccp4bb] Model ensemble for x-ray crystallography

2008-03-28 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
On Fri, March 28, 2008 10:13 am, Lucas Bleicher wrote: Some time ago I've heard about the idea of proposing an ensemble of models (as in NMR), instead of a single model for x-ray crystallography structures. If I remember correctly, this idea has been published somewhere. Can anyone tell me

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS and overlaps

2008-02-21 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I use XDSCONV to make the mtz file using all of the reflections. Then I use uniqueify in CCP4 to make sure the asymmetric unit is correct for CCP4, and tag the test set. Bernie Santarsiero On Thu, February 21, 2008 9:32 am, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: Usually, I run CAD first after F2MTZ to make sure

Re: [ccp4bb] differences between Rsym and Rmerge

2008-01-18 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I seem to recall hearing Rsym first when I used the Xuong-Hamlin detector, since there were a substantial number of redundancies. There were two Rsyms, one called Rrms for the sqrt over the sum of weighted squared differences and and Rav for the linear summation of unweighted differences. This was

Re: [ccp4bb] differences between Rsym and Rmerge

2008-01-18 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
You know there is that other funny column with chi^2's. I like to quote both. Half of the reviewers will know which column to look at, but you will satisfy the other half. Bernie On Fri, January 18, 2008 1:39 pm, Edwin Pozharski wrote: There are two opposing views on this. First: Rmerge

Re: [ccp4bb] differences between Rsym and Rmerge

2008-01-18 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
may be misinterpreting what you were trying to say - I apologize if that is the case. Cheers, Ed. Santarsiero, Bernard D. wrote: You know there is that other funny column with chi^2's. I like to quote both. Half of the reviewers will know which column to look at, but you will satisfy

Re: [ccp4bb] crystallisation robot

2008-01-16 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
In our original work on a prototype, we used the Cartesian technology. We were able to dispense 10nL+10nL drops with a large range of viscosities without difficulty. The main issue was to wash the tips after use to prevent clogging. That was with a system that could dispense 1nL droplets. The

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Occupancy refinement of substrate using refmac5

2007-12-17 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I would also ask what is the actual goal in refining the occupancy of the ligand? While I agree wholeheartedly with George, the B-factors will adequately model a lower ligand occupancy. Usually the question you want to resolve is Is the ligand really bound in the active site, or is this an

Re: [ccp4bb] To bathe or not to bathe.

2007-11-23 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
The main reason was related to absorption. If you didn't completely bathe the crystal in the xray beam, then the diffracting volume of the crystal would be different during the data collection, and thus, scaling would be inaccurate, especially when there was radiation damage. This was especially

Re: [ccp4bb] difference of R_work and R_free as a function of resolution

2007-11-15 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
One of the major problems with any R-factor is that it's a function of the denominator, and therefore I, F^2, or F. Depending on how you push to higher resolution, the R's will very likely increase due to the dominance of the denominator over the numerator. It's good to also monitor on evaluation

Re: [ccp4bb] Wavelength of Copper Kalpha

2007-10-10 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
On Wed, October 10, 2007 11:50 am, Bryan W. Lepore wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Jim Pflugrath wrote: It has come to my attention that the wavelength of a Copper Kalpha may have changed over the years. At least this appears to be true if you look at the International Tables. the 'natural'

Re: [ccp4bb] Popularity of Stereo graphics in crystallography

2007-06-20 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I agree with Kevin. We have stereo on about half of our workstations, and no one has used them in about three years. We typically use O. Also, we have three large servers which are relatively fast. So the main purpose of a workstation is building, not computing here. That way you can easily work

Re: [ccp4bb] Highest shell standards

2007-03-23 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I seem to recall this being discussed at some point. For the difference electron density map, there clearly isn't a downside to loss of reflections, i.e., the coefficients in the map generation are formally zero for Fo-Fc (which all the scaling, weight, sigma-A bits in there). If the phases are

Re: [ccp4bb] Highest shell standards

2007-03-22 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
There are journals that have specific specifications for these parameters, so it matters where you publish. I've seen restrictions that the highest resolution shell has to have I/sig 2 and completeness 90%. Your mileage may vary. I typically process my data to a maximum I/sig near 1, and

Re: [ccp4bb] Highest shell standards

2007-03-22 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
My guess is that the integration is roughly the same, unless the profiles are really poorly defined, but that the scaling that is suffering from using a lot of high-resolution weak data. We've integrated data to say I/sig = 0.5, and sometimes seem more problems with scaling. I then cut back to

[ccp4bb] XDS to MTZ for SOLVE

2007-03-07 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Not purely a ccp4 question, but an MTZ file is involved, so stick with me. I've collected a SAD data set, and processed with XDS. I can use XDSCONV to generate an MTZ, SHELX, and CNS file. I chose the MTZ file since it keeps the intensities. SHELX does too (the F**2), but has separate lines for

Re: [ccp4bb] practical limits of MR?

2007-03-05 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
On Mon, March 5, 2007 2:16 pm, Nat Echols wrote: I had a debate with a coworker about using MR in desperation and I'm curious what the most extreme case is where a very different model was used to solve a structure. This could be highest RMSD, lowest % identity, or most incomplete model. I'm

Re: [ccp4bb] how many stuck datasets are actually twinned?

2007-02-21 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
It's very possible with any overlap of lattice points, even in the lower symmetry space groups. To extend Eleanor's list: For example, I once had a structure with the unit cell relationship 3c cos(beta) = -a. In cases like that, it's not really a clean diffraction, but looks very much like a

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 and Shannon factor

2007-02-14 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
You didn't say anything about the weighting term between the F's and geometrical parameters. That will substantially affect the R's, and the default value of 0.3 in REFMAC isn't appropriate for all structures. In CNS, it's adjusted to a more reasonable value during refinement. Bernie Santarsiero

Re: [ccp4bb] Multi-copies in one assymetric unit

2007-02-13 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Assuming that the MR solution is correct (I agree with Eleanor, that you need to be certain about your selection of space group), then use your complete model of chain A superimposed on chains B, C, and D. Then refine and build the heck out of it. In a similar situation, it was relatively easy for

Re: [ccp4bb] B in B-factor

2007-01-24 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
in the field, and the interchange of scientists and ideas across the Atlantic Ocean. Diana On Jan 24, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Santarsiero, Bernard D. wrote: It looks like the earliest reference to the Debye-Waller factor is from Debye's paper: Uber den Einfluss der Warmebewegung uf die