Re: [ccp4bb] Why there are difference density when occupancy is 1.00

2008-01-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You couldnt have the wrong TLS spans could you - if you have added extra residues have you included them in the TLS group? Eleanor Sun Tang wrote: Hi James, I did check teh B-factors and they are similar to the flanking regions (about 40). The difference density appeared at the later stage of

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about freeR tag

2008-01-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You know you can convert the CNS FreeRflags to the mtz file? Use Reflection utilities / convert to mtz and say you are inputted CNS / Xplor data Eleanor But I believe there is an inevitable difference between CNS and Refmac FreeRs - CNS scaled the work and free data seperately which for lower

Re: [ccp4bb] low-res cutoff in refinement

2008-01-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
As always, Dale hits the nail on the head. Your R factor is a function of your scaling algorithm as well as your model, and as you point out the apparent R factor increases when you include the low resolution data. This doesnt mean your model is worse - it is still the same model! All refinemen

Re: [ccp4bb] Format convertion ccp4 to spider

2008-01-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
What sort of file? Coordinates or reflections or map? Look at the GUI - reflection utilities or coordinate utilities and see if it offers what you want? Eleanor francesco zonta wrote: Goodmorning. I need to convert a file form ccp4 to spider or situs format. The only programs I found to do t

Re: [ccp4bb] convert .cif to .mtz

2008-01-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It has just worked for me? convert to mtz file type mmCIF then I had to put in my own cell and spacegroup. And I will have to calculate phases before I can use coot with it.. Eleanor Eleanor It looks like this.. # _audit.revision_id1_0 _audit.creation_date 2005-03-22 _audit.update_re

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I agree that the difference in Rwork to Rfree is quite acceptable at your resolution. You cannot/ should not use Rfactors as a criteria for structure correctness. As Ian points out - choosing a different Rfree set of reflections can change Rfree a good deal. certain NCS operators can relate refl

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about strange MR solution

2008-02-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think you have just found a symmetry equivalent of your original structure solution. In P6122 there are 12 possible symmetry operators to choose from - only one of which will be the identity (equivalent to alpha=beta=gamma=0) One certainly will have alpha or gamma = 180, and beta 0, equivalen

Re: [ccp4bb] Different chains in the dimer

2008-02-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is hard to say exactly - do you mean the mutant "dimer" is not exact ie - one chain different to native, and one the same? Eleanor yang li wrote: Dear All, I have a protein which has the function unit as a dimer. I got two structures of it. One is the native structure, one is the muta

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange SFALL error

2008-02-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
About to leave for 6 weeks - but try expanding map to P1 and using that - SFALL only supports a limited set of spacegroups.. Eleanor Dirk Kostrewa wrote: Dear CCP4ers, I've created an artificial map in C2 with MAPMAN and made sure that the axis order and sampling is consistent with SFALL, wh

Re: [ccp4bb] convenient means to find I/sigma for publications?

2008-04-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is recorded by SCALA - if you use that data processing procedure. You can still do a run of scala after SCALEPACK or XDS or whatever providing you output integrated, unmerged intensities. You are right though - we need a data analysias tool.. Eleanor James Pauff wrote: Hello all, Silly

Re: [ccp4bb] twinned?

2008-04-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is not really possible to detect twinning by the simple moment and cumulative distribution tests for data from a crystal with pseudo translation. As Bart says, twinning decreases the value of the moments, whilst pseudo-translation increases them, so the two effects tend to cancel out. The

Re: [ccp4bb] DM - NCS averaging after phaser molecular replacement run-confused about coefficients

2008-04-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Not real advice, but be careful if Phaser and DM use the same column labels by default - best to assign them to something distinctive. I have had cases where programs got confused between input and output. And to be safe I would run REFMAC with the output model then use the FO PHIC FOM after

Re: [ccp4bb] Help with Superpose results

2008-04-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Q1) Rms xyz and rmsd mean exactly the same . And as for what you should report - that depends on the problem. As long as you state clearly what has been fitted ( all atoms, CAs, loops excluded etc etc ) Q2) The algorithms for SSM and LSQKAB are different - SSM fits secondary structure elements

Re: [ccp4bb] Help with Superpose results

2008-04-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ves a rmsd (or a rms xyz I don't mind) non null for glycine side chains ? thanks a lot nathalie Eleanor Dodson a écrit : Q1) Rms xyz and rmsd mean exactly the same . And as for what you should report - that depends on the problem. As long as you state clearly what has been fitted ( all

Re: [ccp4bb] Help with Superpose results

2008-04-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
icing this! Eleanor Nathalie Colloc'h wrote: Hello all, I have still a question about LSQKAB Why LSQKAB gives a rmsd (or a rms xyz I don't mind) non null for glycine side chains ? thanks a lot nathalie Eleanor Dodson a écrit : Q1) Rms xyz and rmsd mean exactly the same . And as

Re: [ccp4bb] Need help for supperimpose 2 homologous molecules

2008-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you just run SSM with the two files I think you will get the alignment you want? It seems to be able to sort out subunits from a whole model. Eleanor Paul Emsley wrote: > conancao wrote: > >> Dear all: >> >> I have problem to supperimpose 2 homologous proteins(only one subunit >> is homolog

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5

2008-04-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You must be asking for a MAP to be calculated - see near the top of the GUI. click off this radio button and the warning should go away. Eleanor Chavas Leo wrote: Dear Sajid -- Thanks for your suggestions to run revise. Suggestions from Mike Latchem helped me to overcome the problem. I have

Re: [ccp4bb] 'stretched' electron density maps

2008-04-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Such things almost always are due to some error - check first cell in reflection file and the PDB header. Next is the data very anisotropic? is there one or more rogue reflections? Eleanor Khan Amir Rafiq wrote: Hi, I have solved a structure by MR, unambiguously, and partially refined a 2.8A

Re: [ccp4bb] Help with pseudosymmetry problem

2008-04-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
1) It is a bit hard to find out how MOLREP defines its orthogonal axes - many programs use X0 || a, Yo || b* and in P21 hence Zortho is || to c* If that is what Molrep does then your 2 fold is in the a c* plane, 21 degrees or 111 degrees from c*. The 2 peaks you see are symmetry equivalents. If

Re: [ccp4bb] Help with pseudosymmetry problem

2008-04-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Frankly when faced with these problems of generating symmetry equivalents i revert to almn, where a) I can guarantee the orthogonalisation is as I expect, and b) it generates an exhaustive set of symmetry equivalent peaks. But that is old technology.. If you have two dimers in the asymmetric

Re: [ccp4bb] sfall in "MODE ATMMAP RESMOD" mode misreads PDB coordinates

2008-04-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
As far as I know SFALL reads PDB files - I dont think there is an option to input fractional coordinates.. I suspect it thinks everything is displaced one space to the left or right .. Can you run pdbset xyzin now.pdb xyzout now+.pdb end and see if there is any difference? When I run the map

Re: [ccp4bb] problems with molecular replacement

2008-04-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Mirek Tarnawski wrote: Dear all, I am trying to solve a protein structure with molecular replacement method, but I'm new to crystallography and I have some problems with it. Quality of data seem to be good, there is also several search models available, but I am not able to obtain good solution

[ccp4bb] How to obtain an oca file?

2008-05-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Thwe MSD target service has gone, and that was the way I created oca files comparing sequences? Is there another web site which will give back the same format? Eleanor

Re: [ccp4bb] combine Se-SAD phase with Model-phase

2008-05-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This is only a suggestion but sometimes it helps. First idea - try as hard as you can to extend the native data - at 3.6A resolution all model building is extremely hard! To work with what you have I would do this - others may have different ideas. Combine both data sets into one mtz file, an

Re: [ccp4bb] Alternate Ligand Conformations

2008-05-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Kathleen Frey wrote: Hello. I am trying to refine a structure that has 2 ligand conformations as seen in the electron density. I tried to put both conformations in Coot and format the PDB similar to a residue alternate conformation and changing the occupancies to 0.50 for each conformation. This

Re: [ccp4bb] looking for software

2008-05-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Vellieux Frederic wrote: Dear all, I am looking for some software (computer program) that would take a full PDB file (including waters) and that would output a list of the water networks (including the names of the atoms) at the surface of a protein. Thank you in advance, Fred. watertidy d

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement problem

2008-05-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
parkash wrote: Hi, I have one structural refinement problem. I am working on a protein crystals which diffracted to 2.8 Å. But when I refine through REFMAC5, with 0.1 wt(geometry to x-ray terms), I get high B-factors around 70. But if I do TLS refinement, the R-factors lower down and B-fa

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding NCS operator from one heavy atom site?

2008-05-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I guess you mean you have one ha per monomer? To use CCP4 tools - you can use mapmask to mask out a sphere of density around your heavy atom. Give the atom a "radius" of 10A of something big to get a decent lump, and make sure it looks sensible.. (Use your best phases here of course) Then use

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor problem

2008-06-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sampath Natarajan wrote: Dear All, I am refining a structure with 2.5A resolution by refmac5. I could find the solution by MR using molrep. After fitting the model, I refined the structure again with 0.3 weighting term, but the output PDB file shows many splits in the residues. So I us

Re: [ccp4bb] re-indexing P 4 to P P4 21 2

2008-06-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Roni Gordon wrote: I have used the CCP4 program "re-index" to add a screw axis before (e.g. P6 -> P61, P2 -> P21), but never to change the point group (e.g. PG4 -> PG422). I initially re-indexing the reflections without error, but refmac5 later complained that there were too many reflections for

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about map cutting..

2008-06-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Partha Chakrabarti wrote: Hi, Is it possible to cut out a spherical map around a heavy atom site directly without having to make bones or building something? I want to place that in a larger P1 cell and use that for phased molecular replacement (Phaser / Molrep).. can someone point me how to do

Re: [ccp4bb] program for distribution of distances

2008-06-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It sounds like something the CCDC software might do? Eleanor DISTANG will do it for pdb input Kristof Van Hecke wrote: Dear all, I apologize for the off-topic question. I'm looking for some software that is able to read in (small molecule) structure files (e.g. .pdb, .cif,..) and subseque

Re: [ccp4bb] Parameter MAXSAVE exceeded

2008-07-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You almost certainly have a wrong format statement - it is tricky getting them correct for more complex cns inputs. Eleanor Miller, Mitchell D. wrote: You could also try cns2mtz? http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~cowtan/cns2mtz/cns2mtz.html Regards, Mitch -Original Message- From: CCP4 bul

Re: [ccp4bb] average B and TLS

2008-07-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Ariel Talavera wrote: Hi all, I am working with a 2.5 Šresolution structure with Wilson B factor 37,5 Ų. It is already 100 % built but after the TLS refinement the average B factor was quiet low (4.6 Ų) and of course also the B factors for each atom were also very low. For that reason I ra

Re: [ccp4bb] Truncated protein structure

2008-07-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If the structure factors are available for the original protein you can use ALMN to check if there is an agreement between the two data sets. (Very old technology but a useful trick) Other things to check - Does the crystallographic 2fold in P43212 generate a tight dimer? is there a non-crys

Re: [ccp4bb] Missing space group in ?.mtz file

2008-07-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
When all else fails you can dump the file as an ASCII format using mtztona4, edit that file to correct the spacegroup and reconvert it to mtz using na4tomtz. Eleanor Petr Kolenko wrote: Dear colleagues, I have a ?.mtz file from integration with missing info about the space group in the SYMINF

Re: [ccp4bb] re-indexing, re-orienting and TLS-tensors

2008-07-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I would run the TLS again! Eleanor Clemens Grimm wrote: Dear all, after re-indexing a dataset I had to re-orient my coordinates accordingly. The model contains some 24 TLS-tensors. Now my question is how to apply the rotation matrix also to the TLS-tensors. What is the mathematical operation

Re: [ccp4bb] Is there an easy way to down-weight figures of merit?

2008-07-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
William Scott wrote: Hi Citizens: I realize this is one of those warranty-violating questions, but is there a simple way to down-weight figures of merit, or the equivalent in terms of Hendrickson-Lattman coefficients? I'm trying to generalize and automate a procedure for solving RNA structu

Re: [ccp4bb] PST in refinement

2008-07-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
One question - do you have two pairs of molecules, each related by the PST or is there extra non-crystallographic translation ? Averaging or NCS restraints dont give much extra information for molecules in the same orientation. Certainly any pseudo translation will generate sets of weak and st

Re: [ccp4bb] Using the BB for file sharing

2008-07-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I vote for an inclusive BB - it is easy to delete the irrelevent (to you) messages, and nice to know there is a helpful community out there who are prepared to help.. Presumably copyright violations do not result from sharing with one request.. Eleanor Jayashankar wrote: Dear All, Scot

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement problems with links between atoms in different asymmetric units in Refmac5‏

2008-07-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The simplest suggestion is to move molecule B by that symmetry operator! But bewate - the older REFMAC uses the LINK record differently to the PDB - it has now renamed the line as LINKR and you should check the refmac documentation to see how to set it up. Eleanor Peter Chan wrote: Good Day,

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement problem

2008-07-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Are you sure of your spacegroup? eleanor Check for Se by doing an anomalous difference map using the PHIC FOM output by refmac. You will have to CAD together the two files - one with the Dano from the data processing with the REFMAC output before doing the map. eleanor Sampath Natarajan wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] carrection, rscc

2008-07-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Ariel Talavera wrote: Hi again, I am trying to calculate the rscc of the model to the electron density map. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Ariel Go to GUI - map utilities - map correlation task. Eleanor

Re: [ccp4bb] sequential renumbering of a messed up pdb file

2008-08-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is an absolute pain! do you mean you have residue 1 A 1A 2A 2A 3A 3A etc where they should be numbered 1 2 3 4 5 6 A? or should it be 1A 1B 2A 2B 3A 3B etc? Eleanor William Scott wrote: Hi folks: I am hoping there is a simple answer I have overlooked to the following question. I have

Re: [ccp4bb] translation of atom sites and maps

2008-08-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
phasematch is in the GUI E Graeme Winter wrote: Hi David, There is a clipper utility called "cphasematch" which will do exactly this. More info here: http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~cowtan/clipper/clipper.html or you can get the updates against ccp4 6.0.2 through the ccp4 downloads pages. Cheer

Re: [ccp4bb] problem running DISTANG

2008-08-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is not accepting your input pdb; can you give more details? eg the command script.. eleanor Xie Jiabao wrote: Hello, I am trying to run the CCP4 program DISTANG from the command line (in order to do a translational grid search of a molecule over the asymmetric unit). But the program abort

Re: [ccp4bb] merohedral twinning problem

2008-08-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Se the twinning rules in http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/twinning.html P3 pace group number space group point group possible twin operators 143 P3 PG3 -h,-k,l; k,h,-l; -k,-h,-l 144 P31 PG3 -h,-k,l; k,h,-l; -k,-h,-l 145 P32 PG3 -h,-k,l; k,h,-l; -

Re: [ccp4bb] Rwork and Rfree in Sfcheck

2008-08-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Lisa Wang wrote: Hello all, I have a complex structure with resolution 2.7A The total molecular weight is 80KD, and about 10% is disordered. I refined this structure to R and Rfree 25.5% and 29.7% with CNS. I also tried refmac5, but the R and Rfree have no difference with CNS. I use sfcheck of c

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac problems on Mac OS X Leopard

2008-08-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Can you send a bit of your PDB including the CA and CL? Eleanor Louise Gourlay wrote: Dear All, I installed CCP4 on my Mac OS X Leopard system using fink. I have some problems with Refmac, it doesn't refine calcium or chlorine atoms, or any non-protein atom in general. In the log file it do

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac problems on Mac OS X Leopard

2008-08-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You need to move the CA and CL names one character to the left ATOM 6190 O HOH W 6426.387 33.040 -0.685 1.00 40.92 O ATOM 6191 CA CA B 137.417 44.961 41.022 1.00 12.13 CA more like this.. Eleanor Louise Gourlay wrote: ATOM 6189 O HOH W 63

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower completeness, decent R factors, but low B factor...

2008-08-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
James Pauff wrote: Hello all, I have a refined structure at 2.6 angstroms that at about 73% completeness at this resolution. The I/sigma is about 2.0 at 2.6 angstroms, and the omit density for my ligands is great contoured at 3.0sigma. My Rcryst is 19 or so and the Rfree is 24.5 or so. HOW

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower completeness, decent R factors, but low B factor...

2008-08-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ll of your insights here! Best, Jim --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Eleanor Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Eleanor Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Lower completeness, decent R factors, but low B factor... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Date: Wednesday,

Re: [ccp4bb] Wilson plot from truncated.mtz

2008-08-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
rerun truncate with input amplitudes.. eleanor James Pauff wrote: If I've lost my SCALA MTZ, and have only the truncated.mtz for my dataset, which program is the quickest means of obtaining a Wilson plot? Thank you again, Jim --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Eleanor Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED

[ccp4bb] Sharp/Resolve/ DM

2008-08-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This clears up some terrible confusions in my mind.. could one of you experts contribute a summary to the CCP4 Wiki or the crystallographic information site: http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/ Eleanor

Re: [ccp4bb] Wilson plot from truncated.mtz

2008-08-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
u need for applications (such as MR and F^2 based refinement) which demand F^2. Cheers -- Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eleanor Dodson

Re: [ccp4bb] List of conserved waters

2008-09-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You can use the ancient but useful watertidy script - that assigns water names coded according to the residue they are linked to. So ones with the same link code are related.. But I also use distang. Make a file with the two or more sets of waters - then do a distance search with the approp

Re: [ccp4bb] truncate ignorance

2008-09-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This is a very educational thread but I should remind you that the assumed distributions are NOT reliable when either a) the data is very anisotropic, or b) the data is very incomplete or c) there is a non-crystallographic translation vector in the structure or d) the data is twinned. I for

Re: [ccp4bb] truncate and anisotropy

2008-09-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I dont think you need to worry much about the strong stacking reflections; TRUNCATE really only modifies the weakest data - and anything > 3Sigma is barely altered . There is a slightly wrong estimate of for that resolution shell, but in practice it seems to have no observable effect.. An

Re: [ccp4bb] difference in data processed with xscale and scala

2008-09-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is likely to be a difference in the scaling. Can you merge the two data sets, run scaleit or something to analyse the difference v resolution? Eleanor Sabine Schneider wrote: Hello everyone, I am puzzled about differences I see when I refine the very same structure against data processed

Re: [ccp4bb] Rotation Function of MOLREP

2008-09-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ALMN can plot the rotation function as a map - although I challenge anyone to make much sense of it! More or less the same methodology as MOLREP. More useful - it lists all peaks generated by the symmetry operators in Eulerian, and polar angles and gives the direct cosines of the rotation ax

[ccp4bb] a postdoc position

2008-09-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
A postdoctoral position is available in the BMAD group in the Bioinformatics Institute Singapore The projects combine Bioinformatics knowledge, building models and carrying out MD simulations to work on a range of proteins, establishing mechanisms of action, predicting testable hypotheses whic

Re: [ccp4bb] Unexplained electron density

2008-09-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
First check - look for anom peaks. If your S atoms are showing up in the Dano map, them you can check whether this is a compound with S in it. crystallisation and cro-protectants contain a wealth of small molecules which often bind Eleanor 9 sigma peaks are rarely due to multiple site waters

Re: [ccp4bb] program to evaluate proteins

2008-09-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Jenny wrote: Hi, Dear All, Does anyone have suggestions about what good programs are available that could be used to evaluate proteins?Like how good is the packing, hydrogen bonding pattern, aggregation prediction, solubility, hydrophobic surface burial etc. Thank you very much. Jenny The e

Re: [ccp4bb] Putting ligand in the protein structure

2008-09-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes: There are details in the coot manual 1) Get a dictionary for your ligand from PRODRG or somewhere. - you have obviously done this.. 2) CHECK IT IS CORRECT!!! Right chirality, planar groups, etc.. 3) Import dictionary into coot, and a set of coordinates. 4) Import 2mFo-Dfc and mFo-Dfc m

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density - polyAla or PolyGly?

2008-10-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Joe Smith wrote: Hello, I have been building a protein model (resolution 2.2A) which has one small loop of 6 residues having poor density. I cannot see any side chain in this region but I can see relatively poor main-chain density which at least clearly indicate the loop conformation. I am trying

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I cant follow this very well. Try SFCHECK as well which will do the same tests and give a differently formatted output.. or TRUNCATE which gives you plots of these stats v resolution.. /^2 : 2.351 This is higher than the expected value of 2 for untwinned data. (1.5 for perfectly twinned data

Re: [ccp4bb] calc SF from map for MR - PHASER

2008-10-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is tricky, but maps can work. My procedure was: Extend map file to P1 Put a dummy "atom" at the position you feel is about in the centre of the molecule density. Make a mask around this atom with a radius of nA which you feel is big enough to cover most of your molecule. Use this mask to m

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
should I do? I did not deal with any twinning dataset. Any comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Yingjie On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Eleanor Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I should have said - most likely explanation is point group is reall P321 Eleano

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Peter 2008/10/16, Eleanor Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: People dont read the CCP4 documentation on twinning! Grrr PG P3 can have 3 twinning operators; and these are: k,h,-l ( or symm equiv) - if this is a crystallographic operator the PG becomes P321 -h,-k,l (or symm equiv) - if

[ccp4bb] warning message will NOT go away

2008-10-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You have an error in your mtz file.. OK- so I am sorry! But the Warning will not disappear.. Eleanor

Re: [ccp4bb] warning message will NOT go away

2008-10-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
That answer is as useful as any! I had to kill, kill kill till it disappeared.. Eleanor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To quote Terry Pratchett: +++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++ Couldn't resist :) Artem You have an error in your mtz file.. OK- so I am

Re: [ccp4bb] twinning in monoclinic space group

2008-10-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I dont think that is a twinning law, and that SG and cell dimensions are unlikely to be twinned. It could be really P1 I suppose with a twin operator -h,k,-l - ie the SYM op is actually a twin operator.. But twinning usually shows up in the intensity statistic plots - have you looked at the TR

Re: [ccp4bb] twinning in monoclinic space group

2008-10-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
we index the dataset triclinic and look at the truncate graphs again, we can find the same distribution for the acentric reflections (no straight line). The observed cumulative intensity distribution fits very well to the theoretic one. Thanks for the fast answer and the help, Michael. Eleano

Re: [ccp4bb] H32 use

2008-10-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I thought H 32 was a PDB requirement? CCP4 programs take a belt-and-braces approach - read the symbol but also check the cell dimensions and set up symmetry accordingly.. But it is a pain if headers are inconsistent with PDB deposition requirements - des anyone know more details? Eleanor Ber

Re: [ccp4bb] m-3m vs. m-3

2008-11-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
In the $CHTML/twinning.html it tries to explain: From the table: # All *P2i3* and related *2i3* space groups: (h,k,l) already equivalent to (-h,-k,l) so we only need to check: real axes: (a,b,c) and (b,a,-c) reciprocal axes:(a*,b*,c*) and (b*,a*,-c*) /i.e./ rein

Re: [ccp4bb] phased MR

2008-11-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You can read phases into both MOLREP and Amore and search for the translation against the phased map.. It often gives good results. Eleanor Pietro Roversi wrote: Dear Ed, in the past we have successfully searched in an electron density map (computed in the whole cell) with M

Re: [ccp4bb] Scaling of intensities

2008-11-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Truncate doesnt "truncate" intensities or modify them in any way except to apply a guesstimate of the absolute likely scale based on the no of residues in the asymmetric unit. Truncation is only applied to the amplitudes for negative or very weak intensities. Obv. you cant take the square roo

Re: [ccp4bb] Warning!!! Problems with space groups: P212121 to P22121 conversion example

2008-11-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I have just come back from a meeting where the following problem reared its ugly head MOLREP was used to test a set of SGs and found a good solution in one of them; P2 21 2 for example. But the refinement against the original data stuck.. The explanation is this: Although the MOLREP wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] low B factors

2008-11-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This scaling is a real pain.. However If you look at the plot of v ( a loograph under Rfactor v resolution plots) it often gives a clue. I think it is usually due to poor estimation of the bulk solvent correction, espec if the model is incomplete. (We could discuss that if there was any inter

Re: [ccp4bb] difficult MR in R32(H32)

2008-11-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Answer is NO to difficulty; H32 is no easier or harder in principal than any other SG.. However do you have a NCS translation? or twinning? Is your model likely to be an oligomer? Eleanor Shane Atwell wrote: I'm struggling with a molecular replacement. Its a kinase, for which we have the str

Re: [ccp4bb] Scaling of intensities

2008-11-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
being used as "arbitrary small number to prevent overflow", or if it's serving another purpose? I wasn't sure from reading truncate.f. Thanks, Pete Eleanor Dodson wrote: Truncate doesnt "truncate" intensities or modify them in any way except to apply a guesstimate

Re: [ccp4bb] Order of scale/merge and reindexing

2008-11-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Not more eloquent.. But there is no need to reprocess to change from P222 to P212121. You integrate data in a crystal class ( ie trigonal, monoclinic, orthorhombic, tetragonal, hexagonal, or cubic), scale and merge data data in a point group. In your case the point group is the same for the

Re: [ccp4bb] looking for a program

2008-11-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Vellieux Frederic wrote: Dear Colleagues, I am looking for a program (if there is one...) that would allow to list all interactions at a dimer interface (polar, ie hydrogen bonds and salt bridges, and non polar). Thanks in advance for your replies. Best regards, Fred. Have you tried MSDpi

Re: [ccp4bb] Self rotation function calculation

2008-11-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is hard to say without the program output as well, and information about the unit cell. However it seems that you have a three fold axis at 120 degrees to the C2 2fold axis, and 3 other NCS 2-folds perpendicular that 3 fold. It is possible your space group is really H32 - run your data (eith

Re: [ccp4bb] Help sought for problem dataset

2008-11-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I guess my hunch would be that there is some sot of order-disorder problem; either twinning or crystal dislocation. Some ideas - reindex the PG222 data set h/2,k,l so that a~=b and test that data for twinning - you can just run truncate on the output Is and see the moments and cumulative inten

Re: [ccp4bb] NCS and manual building

2008-11-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Olga Boudker wrote: Dear all, I am working with a relatively low res. crystal structure with multiple protomers in the asymmetric unit related by NCS. I am currently running rounds manual model building in Coot and refinement using Refmac5. Could anybody suggest a shortcut for the following

Re: [ccp4bb] twin axis in p21

2008-11-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think you should be able to detect twinning from the intensity statistics regardless of the spacegroup you have processed in... Have you tried SFCHECK or looked at the truncate plots? A word of warning - FreeRs and Rfactors for twinned data are somewhat different to those for untwinned data,

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Wim Burmeister wrote: Dear all, I have a 3 A structure refined with REFMAC which gives consistently average atomic B-factors of 40 A2, whereas the B factor from a Wilson plot is about 60 A2. Is there any explanation for such a discrepancy? There are no obvious problems: No twinning, spacegrou

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
but onerarely uses it at that resolution.. So it is a bit like comparing apples and pears - I doubt if any sensible conclusions can be drawn. Eleanor Wim Burmeister wrote: Eleanor Dodson a écrit : Wim Burmeister wrote: Dear all, I have a 3 A structure refined with REFMAC which gives consisten

Re: [ccp4bb] meaning of R free of perfect twin

2008-12-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
you need to select the Free R in the highest possible Laue group , then use cad to extend this to all reflections in the chosen point group. This is best done immediately post-truncate.. eg if you twinning operator is k,h,-l, then if 1,2, 3 is assigned to the free set so should 2, 1, -3 be. P

Re: [ccp4bb] Modeling residues with very poor density

2008-12-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think if you cant see it dont build it, but deposit the data.. There are many (most?) structures with missing loops Eleanor Pavel Afonine wrote: This might help: Acta Cryst. (1997). D53, 540-543 Local Improvement of Electron-Density Maps Pavel. PS> It will be implemented in PHENIX som

Re: [ccp4bb] R pim and Rmeans

2008-12-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are useful plots from scala showing various measures v frame number. I usually look at those and do some hand waving to decide where the increasing R_xs indicate you are measuring nothing, or measuring something different from the first frames because of radiation damage Eleanor Frank

Re: [ccp4bb] Ref for B-factor Underlying Phenomenon

2008-12-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
A small molecule crystallography text would give you the formulation for an ideal case. A rough guide is that a B factor of 80 is equivalent to a mean vibration about the coordinate of 1A But for proteins the B factor becomes the collection bin for all sorts of other errors - unrecognised mul

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
劉家欣(NTHU) wrote: > Dear All: > > We have a crystl with P4222 sg. > All statistics look fine. > However, there is a system absense in l axis. > Any body have experiences on that? > Any suggestions would be high appreciated. > > jaishin > can you give more details, eg all reflections along the pa

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
tensity Sigma I/Sigma > > 0 0 17 -5.3 21.3 -0.2 > 0 0 19 7.2 24.9 0.3 > 0 0 21 -13.4 22.0 -0.6 > > - Original Message - From: "Eleanor Dodson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ""劉家欣(NTHU)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > S

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I wish I knew more about OMIT maps, but after testing Kevins procedure (which omits overlapping sphers with perturbation) and SFCHECK (method unknown) I got quite biased results. It is years since I have run the full CNS/Phenix procedure which attempts to remove bias by simulated annealing.. ma

[ccp4bb]

2008-12-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
there is a ccp4 utility coordconv it can take some ractional formats and a ha file used for phasing heavy atoms to pdb eleanor Anthony Addlagatta wrote: Katja, SHELXPRO in SHELX-97 can do this under the option "[G] Generate PDB file from .res or .pdb". Anthony On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:07:34

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Cheers, Graeme -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Eleanor Dodson Sent: 11 December 2008 09:41 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222? 劉家欣(NTHU) wrote: Dear All: We have a crystl with P4222 sg.

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
(note that ccp4i uses the default, i.e. the space-group specific routines). Cheers -- Ian -Original Message- From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Beha

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Alun R. Coker wrote: Hi All, I have been in the habit of transferring my initial free R assignments to any new data sets or to isomorphous data sets such as substrate complexes. Although theoretically this is necessary to obtain a valid free R many of my colleagues maintain that this is comp

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