Re: [ccp4bb] How to fix ARG planarity outliers?

2023-08-17 Thread Dale Tronrud
eating a bad contact or maybe something else. Maybe it is reality peeking through. Simply increasing the weight only hides the issue and may actually create its own error in your model. (The hardest errors to identify are those that are inappropriately consistent with the validation criteria!) Dale

Re: [ccp4bb] Patenting ligand binding?

2023-07-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
nd in a specific way after the crystals are placed on the grid. I'm not qualified to say if this is actually novel and unobvious, but the application seems to me to be very narrow and specific and NOT a blanket claim of performing structural biology using electron scattering. Dale Tronrud O

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure prediction - waiting to happen

2023-04-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
Hi, Just ask ChatGPT to write it for you! Dale Tronrud On 4/1/2023 5:06 AM, Subramanian, Ramaswamy wrote: Dear All, I am unsure if all other groups will get it - but I am sure this group will understand the frustration. My NIH grant did not get funded.  A few genuine comments

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'm going to dive back in here again to expand this discussion. Whether this diversion clarifies or obscures issues surrounding the "crystallographers' dilemma" I'll leave for others to decide. There is currently considerable discussion, among people who care about cell phone cameras,

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
Hi As a frequent contributor to prior discussions on this same topic I would like to broaden the discussion a bit. I'm sorry to say that most of the comments on this threat are exactly the same positions that have been expressed many times over the years. I don't want to spent time,

Re: [ccp4bb] outliers

2022-11-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
And now it is time for an "old man story". Back in the early 1990's the Brookhaven PDB started to worry about "validating" the models being deposited. One of the things they implemented was to add to the header of the PDB a complete list of all bond lengths and angles that deviated from

Re: [ccp4bb] outliers

2022-11-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
The second part of your question has to do with assessing the probability of correctness of a model by comparing the distribution of the individual values of geometry items with the distribution observed in large sets of high quality crystal structures. Certainly, if your model has many

Re: [ccp4bb] outliers

2022-11-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
Let's say you have decided that you want to know if the CA-CB bond of residue 123 in your favorite protein differs from the expected value for that type of bond. You solve the structure and refine a model against your crystallographic data, then look at residue's 123 CA-CB bond and find

Re: [ccp4bb] Multiplicity is more than 20

2022-09-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
is smaller than the working R, particularly when the overall R values are similar as in your refinement. Dale Tronrud On 9/19/2022 11:30 AM, Prasun Kumar wrote: Hi All: I have collected a dataset for a crystal of a 30 residues long helical peptide that makes a trimer in the solution. I also solv

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
your refinement with a moderate starting value for the B you will end up a more sensible result. The only other way to end up with a parameter that directly conflicts with the difference density is a bad restraint, but that doesn't sound likely based on your description. Dale Tronrud On 8

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Unusual electron density at ASN residue

2022-07-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
es, but am never happy with that solution. Perhaps someone should do a survey of ASN residues in the PDB and see what the very high resolution/high quality models say? Dale Tronrud On 7/22/2022 4:37 AM, Eleanor Dodson wrote: It is hard to see from a still but there couldn't be anoth

Re: [ccp4bb] Validation of structure prediction

2021-12-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
I don't see any reason to believe that software designed to validate crystallographic or NMR models would have any utility validating AlphaFold predicted models. Doesn't the prediction software already ensure that all the indicators used by Molprobity are obeyed? I'm afraid that the tools

Re: [ccp4bb] Analysis of NMR ensembles

2021-05-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
ot; and I can trust that the variability in the ensemble reflects the structural variability. Dale Tronrud On 5/26/2021 2:38 PM, Mark J. van Raaij wrote: Dear Dale, Aren’t NMR spectroscopists, in contrast to us crystallographers, not in the lucky situation though that they should have

Re: [ccp4bb] Analysis of NMR ensembles

2021-05-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
ple, the N-terminal region of a protein may have a broad distribution in the ensemble model either because this region experiences many conformations in solution, or because this peptide was cleaved from the protein at some earlier time and its absence was not recognized by the experimentalist. Da

Re: [ccp4bb] Analysis of NMR ensembles

2021-05-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
re many reasons why these data are be absent and high mobility is only one. Dale Tronrud On 5/26/2021 8:45 AM, Cécile Breyton wrote: Hello, In my understanding of NMR, the loops and terminii that adopt very different conformations in the structure ensemble rather reflect the fact tha

Re: [ccp4bb] Unmodeled density

2021-05-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
Something to give context and scale would be helpful. Two views would also be good. Dale Tronrud On 5/26/2021 6:08 AM, leo john wrote: Hi Group Can you please suggest what this unmodeled blob can be (see appended picture)? I have Malonate, Boric Acid and Peg in my condition, and crystals

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux Distro for setting up workstations - Is CentOS still a good choice?

2021-02-19 Thread Dale Tronrud
, for the systems I use the big, crystallographic, packages on I tend to follow the pack and use a Linux that is widely used. I'll stick with 7 until the rest of you settle on something. I'm in no hurry. Dale Tronrud On 2/19/2021 12:35 PM, Matthias Zeug wrote: Hi all, I just came across

Re: [ccp4bb] Contagious, Self-Distributing "Vaccines?"

2021-02-17 Thread Dale Tronrud
used in the US for many years because the only cases of polio in the country were due to the vaccine. 100: Your extremely contagious virus could never be recalled, and once it mutates, could only be overcome by an even more contagious vaccine virus. Goto 100 Dale Tronrud On 2/17/2021 9:33 AM

Re: [ccp4bb] strange crystals

2021-02-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
the result of a special view of the same cubes you are seeing elsewhere. Dale Tronrud https://filesender.renater.fr/?s=download=71d70da4-5ea2-4cf3-ae5f-5d89545574ce May be all this is just an optical Fata Morgana. We are waiting for our next synchrotron beam time to see whether, and what

Re: [ccp4bb] Space error while run NAMD simulation on DGX2

2021-02-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
Remember, the program may be writing files to some partition other than the one your current working directly is located. Maybe /tmp, for example. Dale Tronrud On 2/2/2021 12:36 PM, Amit Singh wrote: Dear Abhilasha, It seems that the partition where you are running your simulation has

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Finding partial occupancy monomer by MR ?

2020-12-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
se in ease of interpretation to be less than if you defined ahead of time the map you planed to look at. Yes, when your defined protocol fails, look around for alternatives. Just ensure that your personal skepticism setting is cranked up when doing so. Dale Tronrud My 2 cents, Herman

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
. I don't recall anyone in this long thread refuting this statement. Dale Tronrud On 12/5/2020 4:02 AM, Marcin Wojdyr wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 22:36, Dale Tronrud wrote: It is very important not to read more meaning into a data tag than is actually defined in the mmCIF spec

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 12/4/2020 12:15 PM, Marcin Wojdyr wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 19:16, Dale Tronrud wrote: >> learn the sequence you have to go to the mmCIF records that define the >> connectivity between residues. It is entirely possible that "3" comes >> before "1"

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
rules, and not make unwarranted assumptions about the meaning of data items. Dale Tronrud On 12/4/2020 10:37 AM, Tristan Croll wrote: OK, I understand your point more clearly now - but I'm not sure I fully agree, for the simple reason that people aren't computers. You're right

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
n "1" and "3" in the sequence. This is not necessarily true at all. To learn the sequence you have to go to the mmCIF records that define the connectivity between residues. It is entirely possible that "3" comes before "1" because these indexes don't conta

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
and the, now separated, glycan chain? If not, I think this is the principle failing of their new scheme. Dale Tronrud On 12/4/2020 12:06 AM, Tristan Croll wrote: To go one step further: in large, heavily glycosylated multi-chain complexes the assignment of a random new chain ID to each glycan

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-12-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
oject's data. You should work to add that technique to your tool box, and then move back to your data. Practice, and more practice will build that squishy neural network in your head. Descending from soapbox, Dale Tronrud On 12/1/2020 8:31 AM, Robert Nicholls wrote: Dear all, I feel the ne

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-11-25 Thread Dale Tronrud
-Fo maps between the crystals of varying occupancy, even very small changes in occupancy, are surprisingly informative. They tend to be highly isomorphorus and provide direct information for deconvoluting multiple conformations which is vital in partial occupancy binding. Dale Tronrud P.S

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-11-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
he value of a FEM, or a Buster map, or a SA omit map, or whatever, calculate that map instead and live with it. If you have to calculate twenty different kinds of maps, with varying parameters in each, before you find the one that shows the density for your ligand; it probably didn't bind.

Re: [ccp4bb] R free rising

2020-11-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
for your second refinement to be working with a newly created test set. It is possible that somehow you have reset your R free flags? In an MTZ the full data set is divided into twenty subsets -- one is the test set while the other nineteen are the working set. When you ran Refmac the secon

[ccp4bb] Refmac Ideal Geometry Library

2020-07-25 Thread Dale Tronrud
Hi, I'm seeking insight into some geometry outliers in my Refmac refined model. It would be nice to have confidence in the target values used by Refmac. Does Refmac use the library distributed by CCP4 in lib/data/monomers, or do it have its own library squirreled away somewhere? Dale

Re: [ccp4bb] electron density close Histidine side chain

2020-07-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
If there is a covalent link, maybe sending a sample off to mass spec would be a good idea. That would remove some of the guesswork. Dale Tronrud On 7/20/2020 9:16 AM, samer halabi wrote: > Hello all, > I have few blobs in an MHC II structure I am working on, especially >

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
been "free", however. To get it one had to agree to the license from the University of Oregon and, if a for-profit organization, pay money. Dale Tronrud On 5/7/2020 10:18 AM, Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) wrote: > Thank you Ethan for taking the the time to answer and explain. > Yes I am

Re: [ccp4bb] neg density/high B on sidechains

2020-04-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
olution we can only repeat the, conflicting, arguments in favor or against the various less than optimal solutions. You can go back to the archives to find those. Dale Tronrud On 4/28/2020 8:37 AM, Thomas, Leonard M. wrote: > Hello all, > > This is one of those issues that seems to come

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Increase in R-factor following REFMAC

2020-04-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
In addition, REFMAC has tightened your model's geometry which can cause a slight increase in the working R. A one percent increase in while in the upper thirties is slight. Dale Tronrud On 4/8/2020 7:30 AM, Schreuder, Herman /DE wrote: > I guess the molecular replacement model has never b

Re: [ccp4bb] Average B factors with TLS

2020-04-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
A^2 seems quite reasonable for a 3 A model (using modern resolution cutoff criteria). It is higher than your Wilson B, but that is expected. In addition, as you note, the uncertainty of a Wilson B is quite large in the absence of high resolution data. Yes, this is the short version. ;-) Dale

Re: [ccp4bb] [3dem] Which resolution?

2020-03-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
Just a note: James Holton said "true B-factor" not "true B-factors". I believe he was talking about the overall B not the individual B's. Dale Tronrud On 3/8/2020 3:25 PM, Rangana Warshamanage wrote: > Sorry for not being clear enough. > If B-factors at the end of

Re: [ccp4bb] A question of density

2020-03-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
"noise" or not? All we have now is a peak that we don't have a good way to interpret. Dale Tronrud > > Jessica > > On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 12:45, Barone, Matthias <mailto:bar...@fmp-berlin.de>> wrote: > > hey Jessica > > a tip that might

Re: [ccp4bb] A question of density

2020-03-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
. Besides, as Glusker and Tureblood noted, a peak in a difference map (the green blob in this discussion) cannot be caused by series termination. If there is series termination the shape of a difference map peak can be affected, but not the presence of the peak itself. Dale Tronrud On 3/5/2020 12:20

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogens in PDB File

2020-03-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
m positions vrs the confusion that results from their absence. I think we agree strongly that all of the list items above need to be tackled by the wwPDB and are of extreme importance. I think we need a comprehensive solution, not a piecemeal, special case, for each. Dale Tronrud > Moreover,

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogens in PDB File

2020-03-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
ations can be inferred from the deposited atoms? Dale Tronrud P.S. I realize that I am open to charges of inconsistency since I have advocated not depositing an atomic model for atoms that weren't placed by the depositor (i.e. disordered side chains). I don't believe I'm committing this sin.

[ccp4bb] Probable bugs in acedrg

2020-02-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
this note makes it to acedrg's developers and they find it useful. It may also be helpful to others attempting this task (at least until the bugs are fixed). Dale Tronrud To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following li

Re: [ccp4bb] Are there any proteins capable of crystallizing at a wide range of pH having the same space group?

2019-09-19 Thread Dale Tronrud
a valuable contribution to humanity. ;-) Dale Tronrud On 9/19/2019 4:03 PM, Murpholino Peligro wrote: > A quick glance at the entries of hen egg white lysozyme in the PDB show > that it can be crystallized at different pH values, but the space group > is not always the same. I still have to

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem in real space - please sign & invite other scientists to sign this letter

2019-08-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
he present? Nothing but speculation that the climate "might" be driven by this or "might" be driven by that. Dr Akasofu brings nothing to the table. Dale Tronrud On 8/20/2019 6:23 PM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. wrote: > Dear colleagues, > >   > > Since when does

Re: [ccp4bb] Extra density close to phosphate bound to Zn2+

2019-08-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
ght of the two peaks will give insight to the occupancy ratio. Remember, if the PO4 has two orientations in the crystal, the water molecules it (they?) is/are bound to will likely also have alternatives. Dale Tronrud On 8/5/2019 6:05 AM, Maria Håkansson wrote: > Dear CCP4 bulletin board, >

Re: [ccp4bb] (EXTERNAL) Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
can actually see the population of atoms contributing to each increasing resolution has a lower and lower average B. Dale Tronrud On 3/12/2019 2:24 PM, Edward A. Berry wrote: > What if you have one domain with many B-factors aroun 70 and above, and > another domain with B-factors aro

Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
, it is simply a reflection of the Wilson B's insensitivity to atoms with large B. I do not believe comparing the average B to the Wilson B has any utility at all. Dale Tronrud On 3/12/2019 11:34 AM, Eze Chivi wrote: > Dear CCP4bb community, > > > The average B-factor (calculated from

Re: [ccp4bb] Confused about centric reflections

2019-03-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
You are correct, other than your typo. The centric zone in a monoclinic space group (B setting) is h0l. This web site is a wiki so you should be able to correct it yourself. Dale Tronrud On 3/2/2019 2:00 PM, Edward A. Berry wrote: > The wiki: > > https://strucbio.bio

Re: [ccp4bb] Experimental phasing vs molecular replacement

2018-12-06 Thread Dale Tronrud
alism so I can't be confident of the m's and D's. I also assumed that Fridel's Law holds, but that assumption was made with the traditional maps as well. Dale Tronrud On 12/6/2018 11:01 AM, James Holton wrote: > Sorry for the confusion, I was going for brevity. > > Any time you do a tho

Re: [ccp4bb] high B factor

2018-11-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
is model, like maybe not being able to detect the image of the allegedly bound ligand, a great number of details of the protein, data collection and the current model would have to be shared. When asking such a question on this BB you should never be concerned that your letter is too long. Dale Tr

Re: [ccp4bb] high B factor

2018-11-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
this structure was solved via molecular replacement. No indication of high R factor or stuck refinement. No details at all. Just a model with a fairly reasonable, if somewhat low, average B factor. Dale Tronrud On 11/10/2018 6:31 PM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. wrote: > Anandhi, > > Assuming

[ccp4bb] high B factor

2018-11-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
alculating this average? In any case, you certainly shouldn't be worrying about your "high" B factors. Dale Tronrud On 11/8/2018 4:30 PM, Anandhi Anandan wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > I am trying to solve the structure of a protein with a bound ligand at > 2.65 A resoluti

Re: [ccp4bb] Unidentified large blobs in the electron density

2018-08-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
be willing to accept that you may never figure it out. Don't build a model you don't believe. I once spent about twenty years trying to figure out a blob (not full time!). I got a nice paper about it in the end. Dale Tronrud On 8/5/2018 7:00 AM, Preeti Preeti wrote: > Dear CCP4 member >

Re: [ccp4bb] RMS bond and angle

2018-07-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
, of your model should be considered less reliable. Tricking people into placing too much trust in your model is not a good idea. Dale Tronrud. On 7/5/2018 1:11 AM, zheng zhou wrote: > Hi all > > Just finishing up a new structure at 2.4A. Buster refine gives RMS bond > 0.008 and angle

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating sigma value

2018-05-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
ne quantum of negative charge for each electron, then calculate the charge density due to the proton density, using knowledge of the charge of a proton, and then sum the two charge densities, which are not only commensurate but identical. My code would then be ready should I run into a Xi baryon wi

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating sigma value

2018-04-19 Thread Dale Tronrud
I will leave some known atoms out of the model and see how the heights of their difference peaks compare to the heights of the mysterious peaks. This method is fairly insensitive to the systematic problems that affect both rms and electrons/A^2. Dale Tronrud On 4/19/2018 8:30 AM, Ian Tickle wrote: >

Re: [ccp4bb] Arg distorsion during refinement

2018-02-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
omplains about your model. Your model is fine and the validation software needs better validation itself. Dale Tronrud On 2/9/2018 10:18 AM, Oganesyan, Vaheh wrote: > Dear crystallographers, > >   > > Lately when refining a structure (at 2.8A) with Refmac5 I’ve found that > n

Re: [ccp4bb] Electrostatic Potential: Poisson-Boltzmann

2017-12-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
d see what their properties are. I'm not aware that anyone has done this, but my literature search has been very limited. Dale Tronrud On 12/2/2017 5:51 AM, Sam Tang wrote: > To add to the discussion, could I raise a relevant question about > generating ESP (Apologies to Jiri if this distrac

Re: [ccp4bb] Electrostatic Potential: Poisson-Boltzmann

2017-12-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
uncertainty. Dale Tronrud On 12/1/2017 10:02 AM, chemocev marker wrote: > Hi > > I am calculating the Electrostatic Potential of my protein. But there > were few flexible region with high B-factor and I deleted that part of > the protein and then recalculated it. But there

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 11/12/2017 6:48 AM, Kay Diederichs wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 14:04:26 -0800, Dale Tronrud <de...@daletronrud.com> > wrote: > ... >> >> My belief is that the fact that our spot intensities represent the >> amplitude (squared) of a series of Sin waves

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
come up with programs that would perform Fourier summations of square waves to calculate electron density. Our instrument is an analog computer for calculating the Sin wave Fourier transform of the electron density of our crystal because we designed it to do exactly that. Dale Tronrud > > >

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
ope tends to be of very high quality and you don't have precise models of the object to calculate phases so there is no advantage of going to "diffraction mode".. Dale Tronrud > > JPK > > -Original Message- > From: herman.schreu...@sanofi.com [mailto:herman.sch

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
ctron density we are used to look at. Alternatively, you could >> display an bona fide electron density map as voxel blocks and I am >> sure it will look similar to the voxel map you showed in your first >> email. >> >> Best, >> Herman >> >> -Ursp

Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
p will have many more voxels but no more information because the density values are correlated. Dale Tronrud On 11/9/2017 4:10 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: > Dear Crystallographers, > >   > > I have been considering a thought-experiment of sorts for a while, and > wonder what y

Re: [ccp4bb] double cell dimensions between P2 and C2

2017-11-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
I agree with Phil. A P2 crystal with nearly perfect noncrystallographic translational symmetry (~1/2,~1/2,0) will look like a C2 cell with twice the length along a and b and weak spots between the indexed spots. Look for those spots on your "C2" images. Dale Tronrud On 11/9/20

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Another troublesome dataset (High Rfree after MR)

2017-10-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
. I know that James is not recommending this, but that is what some people in that bad period in the 1990's were doing. Most of us were not! Dale Tronrud On 10/16/2017 8:02 AM, James Holton wrote: > > If you suspect that weak data (such as all the spot-free hkls beyond > your an

Re: [ccp4bb] Short peptide outliers

2017-10-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
of the model of a bound ligand. In my opinion the most likely explanation is that multiple conformations of the peptide are binding. Without seeing the density or being able to examine the data it is hard to generate possibilities. Dale Tronrud On 10/1/2017 2:20 AM, Meytal Galilee wrote: > Hi

Re: [ccp4bb] Refienmnet

2017-08-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
Your first step is to look at your images and see what is going on in that shell. Since you are looking at merged stats the first guess is that there is something wrong with all of the images, but only by looking at them can you tell. Dale Tronrud On 8/15/2017 9:39 AM, rohit kumar wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] Incorrect Structure in the PDB

2017-06-27 Thread Dale Tronrud
a requirement of the wwPDB rules but it makes the situation much clearer the someone wanting to understand this protein. Having a second model in the PDB w/o a publication would not leave many clues to decide which model to use. Dale Tronrud On 6/27/2017 12:15 AM, Trevor Sewell wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] Refining a crystal structure with (very) high solvent content

2017-06-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
ot used to seeing. Selecting a contour level based on the e/A^3 is much less sensitive to the amount of solvent in the crystal is gives much more consistent results. Dale Tronrud > > Could these observations be linked to the high solvent content? (1) A > high solvent content structure

[ccp4bb]

2017-05-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'm sorry but I'm a little confused by your question. If your map already has four-fold symmetry why can't you simply build your model once in one quarter of the map? What do you hope to change by specifying that the space group is P4? Dale Tronrud On 5/18/2017 10:06 PM, Qingfeng Chen wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] NAD dihedral for C2N-C3N-C7N-N7N

2017-05-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
ded clashes when everything is in one plane. Some restraint libraries inappropriately restrain this group to be co-planar with the six-membered ring. As always, check you CIF! Dale Tronrud On 5/17/2017 12:46 PM, Jorge Iulek wrote: > Dear all, > > I came across some difficulty to

Re: [ccp4bb] on the resoution of crystal

2017-02-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
It is confusing, but "high" is meant to indicate the quality of the final electron density map based on the data. Your 1.8 A data set will give the better map, and is the high resolution data set. Dale Tronrud On 2/5/2017 4:09 AM, wrote: > Dear All, > > For one p

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfactor and Rfree not coming below 0.4

2017-01-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
is if there is a mistake either in the calculation of the R value or the map. I think you need to double-check your work. Dale Tronrud P.S. Are you contouring your difference map at a reasonable level? Think e/A^3 not "sigma"s. When I look at a difference map I start at a level of

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of RSRZ Score in PDB Validation Reports

2016-11-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
analysis. Of course, if you trick a validation statistic like this you haven't accomplished anything. All you are saying is that one should rank RSRZ scores with and without hydrogen atoms separately. Perhaps you should suggest that to the PDB validation people. Dale Tronrud > >

Re: [ccp4bb] High B factor

2016-10-14 Thread Dale Tronrud
. Why would you expect otherwise? Dale Tronrud On 10/14/2016 12:28 AM, Carlos CONTRERAS MARTEL wrote: > Sunanda, > > As "common people", ... "agreement" don't means for me "equals" ... > > So I hope I'm not so "incorrect" if I keep on

Re: [ccp4bb] High B factor

2016-10-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
ctly > you mean by "is there any way to better the B factors". > Pavel > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Dale Tronrud > <de...@daletronrud.com <mailto:de...@daletronrud.com>> wrote: > >I'm sorry but I don't unde

Re: [ccp4bb] High B factor

2016-10-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'm sorry but I don't understand what your problem is. Do you think the B factors are too small for a 3A data set? A range of 70 to 75 is a little smaller than usual but probably not out of bounds. Dale Tronrud On 10/12/2016 7:59 PM, sunanda williams wrote: > Hi all, > I have a str

Re: [ccp4bb] paired refinement

2015-07-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
resolution data I would expect the geometry stats to get worst. Dale Tronrud On 7/7/2015 11:17 AM, Shane Caldwell wrote: Chiming in late with a follow-up question: On the other hand in paired refinement, if adding the data improves the structure as measured by Rfree in a zone excluding the added

Re: [ccp4bb] paired refinement

2015-07-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
Dear Kay, You are right. I had forgotten the normalization part of the CC calculation. Dale On 7/3/2015 12:01 AM, Kay Diederichs wrote: Hi Dale, On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:45:45 -0700, Dale Tronrud de...@daletronrud.com wrote: While I was puzzling over an entry in the PDB some years ago

Re: [ccp4bb] paired refinement

2015-07-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
refinement can't be fooled in this way. Dale Tronrud On 7/2/2015 10:25 AM, Edward A. Berry wrote: My take on this- No one has been willing to specify a cutoff (and probably there is no rigorous way to mathematically define the cutoff) and say If CC* (or CCfree or whatever) is below X

Re: [ccp4bb] Coot and Pymol through SSH by Xming/PUTTY on a windows client?

2015-07-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
the server.) Dale Tronrud On 7/1/2015 3:40 PM, Chen Zhao wrote: Hi all, Sorry to bother you, but I am trying to fix a long-standing problem that I cannot run Coot and Pymol through Xming/PUTTY by SSH connection on a windows client. The error messages are pretty similar for both: Coot: PuTTY X11

Re: [ccp4bb] distorted phosphate molecule geometry after refinement

2015-06-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
. Dale Tronrud On 6/22/2015 7:48 AM, ansuman biswas wrote: Dear CCP4 users, I am working on a protein from a hyperthermophilic archaeon. I have collected mutliple X-Ray datasets, both from home source and synchrotron and always found a clear density for tetrahedral geometry, co-ordinated

Re: [ccp4bb] Residual density feature

2015-06-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
description in a REMARK 800 statement. This option would allow you to acknowledge that something is binding at this location but leave the difference peak for others to view and puzzle over on their own. Dale Tronrud Cheers, Robbie -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] Alternative ways to get electron density map other than EDS server

2015-06-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
In addition to the other excellent suggestions you have received, you can download the map for a re-refined version of a PDB entry at PDB-Redo. The latest Coot has a button for that. It appears that the EDS is down. I'll notify the authorities. Dale Tronrud On 6/9/2015 1:11 PM, Xiao Lei

Re: [ccp4bb] PyMOL v. Coot map 'level'

2015-06-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
of the image will not depend on the region of space covered by your map nor the percentage of solvent in the crystal. Dale Tronrud On 6/1/2015 9:16 AM, Thomas Holder wrote: Hi Emilia et al., I tried to figure out the PyMOL vs. Coot normalization discrepancy a while ago. As far as I remember, PyMOL

Re: [ccp4bb] PyMOL v. Coot map 'level'

2015-05-29 Thread Dale Tronrud
normalize you should use Coot's e/A^3 level. It is quite possible that they could differ by a factor of two. Dale Tronrud On 5/29/2015 1:15 PM, Emilia C. Arturo (Emily) wrote: Hello. I am struggling with an old question--old because I've found several discussions and wiki bits on this topic, e.g

Re: [ccp4bb] 3BDN, 16.5% Ramachandran Outliers!!!!!

2015-04-27 Thread Dale Tronrud
and judge for themselves. Dale Tronrud On 4/27/2015 7:04 AM, Oganesyan, Vaheh wrote: Hi Robbie and Co, These things are happening now too. Look at the entry 4x4m. The paper got published in January, PDB released coordinates in April. That means reviewers did not have a chance to look even

Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser going into infinite loop in Ample

2015-04-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
one out in the not too distant future. All the best, Randy On 22 Apr 2015, at 05:56, Dale Tronrud de...@daletronrud.com wrote: We are having a problem with AMPLE and hope someone can help. The protein is about 70 amino acids long and we suspect it forms a coiled-coil. Our

[ccp4bb] Phaser going into infinite loop in Ample

2015-04-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
-frags_9mers /user/sarah/xray/1Apr_Athena/aat000_09_05.200_v1_3 -make_frags False - -F F -SIGF SIGF -FREE FreeR_flag -early_terminate True -use_shelxe True -shelx_cycles 15 -use_arpwarp False Any help is appreciated, Dale Tronrud Sarah Clark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22

Re: [ccp4bb] Sortwater NCS Matrix input

2015-04-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
row having more than three decimal places. Dale Tronrud On 4/1/2015 2:52 PM, Shane Caldwell wrote: Hi ccp4bb, I'm trying to solve a problem I never quite figured out in the past. I'd like to use the *sortwater* utility to send my picked waters to various protein chains, and to give them

Re: [ccp4bb] Peptide flips in electron density?

2015-02-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
and refine the occupancy. Dale Tronrud On 2/12/2015 9:07 AM, Kimberly Stanek wrote: Hello all, I am in some of the final stages of refinement of a 1.5 A resolution oligomeric protein and I'm noticing what appears to be extra density corresponding to a carbonyl peptide flip near the N-terminus

Re: [ccp4bb] Free Reflections as Percent and not a Number

2014-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
resolution data are scrambled? Dale Tronrud Xavier On 20/11/14 11:43 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: Dear Crystallographers, I thought that for reliable values for Rfree, one needs only to satisfy counting statistics, and therefore using at most a couple thousand reflections should always

Re: [ccp4bb] Free Reflections as Percent and not a Number

2014-11-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
reflections in the test set which, while giving you a more reliable free R, cause a larger degradation in the model itself. Dale Tronrud On 11/20/2014 2:43 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: Dear Crystallographers, I thought that for reliable values for Rfree, one needs only to satisfy counting statistics

Re: [ccp4bb] [phenixbb] Calculate average B-factor?

2014-10-06 Thread Dale Tronrud
to describe TLS in the PDB format. Don't tell me it's stuffed in REMARK! What kind of a file format is that? I believe that 100% of the models that we should be building can't be described in the PDB file format, and that has been true for a great many years. Dale Tronrud I greatly appreciate Nat's

Re: [ccp4bb] software or server to validate ligand density

2014-09-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
before I suggest you check out other models in the PDB with good, strong density and see what a full power ligand looks like in a map. Only settle for weak density if there is no alternative and never settle for ambiguous density. Dale Tronrud On 19 September 2014 22:06, ansuman biswas bubai_

Re: [ccp4bb] Get NCS rotational axis from PDB file?

2014-09-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
would have three space-like and three time-like dimensions. I have enough problems with the on-rush of one dimension of time. Dale Tronrud. On 9/22/2014 10:40 AM, Chen Zhao wrote: Hi Dale, Thank you for your reply! Yes, the real term of all eigenvalues are very close to 1, and as I said

Re: [ccp4bb] Bond lengths and angles used by Molprobity for ANP (AMPPNP)

2014-09-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
on its own, but you have to keep in mind the library's limitations. Dale Tronrud On 9/15/2014 8:42 AM, C wrote: Isn't Molprobity too tight anyway for _high resolution_ structures? I have often (for proteins) found it highlighting outliers when in fact that is what the density shows

Re: [ccp4bb] TR: [ccp4bb] KRAS maps

2014-09-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
(of course) and the maps look fine. I'm guessing that PDB_REDO junks these reflections before its Refmac refinement and avoids the issue. Dale Tronrud On 9/1/2014 2:00 AM, Magali Mathieu wrote: Please consider the environment before printing this email! -Message d'origine- De

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating anomalous Fourier maps

2014-08-29 Thread Dale Tronrud
and display, separately, contours for the real and imaginary components of the density. Then, even if you didn't notice the presence of anomalous scattering in your diffraction, you would still see the anomalous peaks on your display. Dale Tronrud On 8/29/2014 11:43 AM, Alexander Aleshin wrote: Could

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