[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

On 2024-05-07 12:29, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 09:52 PM 5/1/2024, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: In the early days of the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, (and I may have the two reversed in the following anecdote), Atari had a nice display of a bouncing checkered beach ball. Amiga had

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

At 09:52 PM 5/1/2024, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >In the early days of the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, (and I may have the two >reversed in the following anecdote), Atari had a nice display of a bouncing >checkered beach ball. Amiga had almost nothing. >But, the second day, everybody except

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

On 2024-05-01 11:26 p.m., Ali via cctalk wrote: Don't forget to bring a towel. Sellam The fact that we all probably got that reference is the amazing part. -Ali What no white mouse trap!

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

Less interesting answer but being multiples of any cables you're relying on. If presenting, multiple HDMI/output cables (I've seen HDMI cables not work in specific setups and another cable would for unknown reasons). Display cards or tags describing what you have on the table and what is

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

I had a similar experience at VCF Midwest where the line voltage was as low as 90 VAC.  My area was without power for about 2 hours during setup. On 5/2/2024 11:01 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: I learned at VCF East this year that I should have brought an UPS to make sure that my

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

I agree on the UPS! Power can be inconsistent at shows On Thu, May 2, 2024, 12:02 PM Douglas Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I learned at VCF East this year that I should have brought an UPS to > make sure that my vintage equipment had good, clean AC power. My PDP11 > kept

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

I learned at VCF East this year that I should have brought an UPS to make sure that my vintage equipment had good, clean AC power.  My PDP11 kept on resetting during the show. Doug On 5/1/2024 9:53 PM, Brad H via cctalk wrote: Just reaching out to anyone who has exhibited at a vintage

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

A lot of people regret it later because they dont think they'll need it when packing but I always bring a bathing suit just in case. The vcf exhibitor pool is a nice way to relax after a long day of showing. On Thu, May 2, 2024, 1:13 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

And a long scarf? --Carey > On 05/02/2024 12:26 AM CDT Ali via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > Don't forget to bring a towel. > > > > Sellam > > The fact that we all probably got that reference is the amazing part. > > -Ali

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

> > Don't forget to bring a towel. > > Sellam The fact that we all probably got that reference is the amazing part. -Ali

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

On Wed, May 1, 2024, 8:03 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Our booth bimbo gave herself the title, "BAIT" > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred > Boobs And Invitation Technician? Sellam >

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

On Wed, May 1, 2024, 7:48 PM Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > My paper, pens, pencils, post it, duct tape, batteries, cash, blank > disks, memory cards, blank CDs, blank DVDs, small ethernet cable, small > USB cables (the rollup kind) are all in my computer bag, so they go > everywhere, as well

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

On Wed, 1 May 2024, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: Games are always a good draw, even if that seems like cheating. In the early days of the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, (and I may have the two reversed in the following anecdote), Atari had a nice display of a bouncing checkered beach ball.

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

On 5/1/2024 9:21 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Bring lots of business cards.  Even if you aren't running a business, it's a lot better than standing there writing your contact information for everybofy that you want to stay in touch with. Well, or a couple pieces of paper with QR codes for

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

Bring lots of business cards. Even if you aren't running a business, it's a lot better than standing there writing your contact information for everybofy that you want to stay in touch with. paper, pens, pencils, post-it notes, stapler, duct tape, voltmeter, batteries, flashlight, cash,

[cctalk] Re: What happened to the PDP-8 on ebay?

The original listing price was $25,000 and was reduced to $18,000 when there we no bids at the original price. On 10/5/2023 2:34 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 9:18 PM jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 10/3/23 21:23, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: There was a

[cctalk] Re: What happened to the PDP-8 on ebay?

Notwithstanding I'm in the UK I do have a lot of PDP8/e era boards some of which I'd like to sell to raise funds to buy items I dont have. Rod Smallwood On 04/10/2023 03:23, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: There was a PDP-8 (rack straight 8 with asr33) that was on ebay that disappeared..anyone

[cctalk] Re: What happened to the PDP-8 on ebay?

Found out from the owner, it was sold to someone in Europe. I did not ask for additional details. On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:45 PM Bill Degnan wrote: > Is there specific evidence it sold? All we know is that the listing was > pulled. I guess no one here bought it > Bill > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023

[cctalk] Re: What happened to the PDP-8 on ebay?

Is there specific evidence it sold? All we know is that the listing was pulled. I guess no one here bought it Bill On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:34 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 9:18 PM jim stephens via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote:

[cctalk] Re: What happened to the PDP-8 on ebay?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 9:18 PM jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > > On 10/3/23 21:23, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > There was a PDP-8 (rack straight 8 with asr33) that was on ebay that > > disappeared..anyone know if it was sold? I can't find it, maybe the > seller > > pulled the auction to

[cctalk] Re: What happened to the PDP-8 on ebay?

On 10/3/23 21:23, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: There was a PDP-8 (rack straight 8 with asr33) that was on ebay that disappeared..anyone know if it was sold? I can't find it, maybe the seller pulled the auction to sell privately. Bill I trolled thru VCF forum and I think this is the one you

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 at 03:45, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > I have a memory of installing Windows 95 on a monochrome 386SX laptop > w/4MB of RAM in August, 1995 at McMurdo because that's the equipment > we had on hand when Win95 arrived on the continent. It was > unpleasantly slow but it did

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 11:52 AM Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM > > Nope. 32-bit only. 386DX or later. I tried it and benchmarked it at > the time of release. And it beat WfWg 3.11 by a significant margin, to > everyone's

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 07:54, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Well, if you want to pedantic about it, you certainly could emulate a > 32-bit processor on any reasonably Turing-equivalent processor, given > sufficient memory. It might be incredibly slow, but you could do it. Noted Australian

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 23:41, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running > > Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :) Linux on a heavily-upgraded PC-AT with a '386

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

It's about being dang-old or not. Nuff said I feel. As far as deeming PPC Macs on topic, it sort of makes me cringe. They're interesting, especially the earlier ones. But we already have the Quadra series, weird and wonderful enough to be inaugurated as classic certainly. Remember classic,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

The subject to f that is and what isn’t vintage computing is an argument as ancient as the computer itself. Fact is, it’s a moving target. As every year passes, products you can categorise as “vintage” changes at different rates. For example: IBM PC’s have largely standardised and “stagnated”

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/22/22 22:31, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Software development calls for more speed, for decent compile, assmble, and link times. Come on Fred. You have been around long enough to know this isn't really true. It's nice to have but we did just fine developing real software (not

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Friday, December 23, 2022, 01:54:57 AM EST, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 12/22/22 18:45, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > Shirley none of you are serious about a 32-bit (at least partially) > operating system being able to execute on a 286 processor. > > You couldn't even run

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/22/22 18:45, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > Shirley none of you are serious about a 32-bit (at least partially) > operating system being able to execute on a 286 processor. > > You couldn't even run Windows 3.1 in Enhanced mode on a 286 processor. Well, if you want to pedantic about it, you

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:41 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running > > Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :) > > Tony, > are you around? QSL The only

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that. Would it run? Maybe. Would I want to run it like that? Nope. Not at all. I stand corrected. "Run", no. "limp along", yes

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

> On 12/22/2022 8:45 PM CST Glen Slick via cctalk > > Shirley none of you are serious about a 32-bit (at least partially) > operating system being able to execute on a 286 processor. > > You couldn't even run Windows 3.1 in Enhanced mode on a 286 processor. > > > Well, there's always Linux

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

Seems a bit impossible to me as well but Fred has made computers do things that would make ordinary men involuntarily lose their bladder so I look forward to the story/explanation. Sellam On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 6:46 PM Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 6:16 PM Fred Cisin

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 6:16 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that. > > Would it run? Maybe. > > Would I want to run it

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that. Would it run? Maybe. Would I want to run it like that? Nope. Not at all. I stand corrected. "Run", no. "limp along",

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/22/22 2:24 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: For PC’s, being able to run WinXP is an interesting cutoff Why use a cut off that's based on a date? After all, the list is a moving / sliding window. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/22/22 3:41 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that. Would it run? Maybe. Would I want to run it like that? Nope. Not at all. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/22/2022 5:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Another possible exception for banning XP: I think that the OQO is interesting enough to call for inclusion. It is a handheld, running XP.   Screen slides partway off to reveal a keyboard.

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/22/2022 5:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Another possible exception for banning XP: I think that the OQO is interesting enough to call for inclusion. It is a handheld, running XP.   Screen slides partway off to reveal a keyboard. /me looks at his OQO 2, which still works (and has

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the purists. Personally I think anything built after 1995 is too new for cctalk, but

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :) Tony, are you around? My experience was that Windoze 3.00 was the last that could be installed on an 8088. Win

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:31 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > For PC’s, being able to run WinXP is an interesting cutoff, and I think > makes sense. Zane > You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :) Sellam

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Dec 22, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 5:35 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: >> We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but >> time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. >> After that put an

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Oops. On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:10 PM steve shumaker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > well.. apologies - this was not intended for the list. > > Steve > > On 12/22/22 11:49 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: > > No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:49 AM steve shumaker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking > without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years > ago. Managed to replace a couple Heathkit units since then

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

well..  apologies - this was not intended for the list. Steve On 12/22/22 11:49 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: No kidding!   It has been a while.  I've pretty much been lurking without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years ago.   Managed to replace a couple

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

No kidding!   It has been a while.  I've pretty much been lurking without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years ago.   Managed to replace a couple Heathkit units since then but with prices what they are, it'll never be what it was. I did score a PET 2001-8 that

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Here here! On Thursday, December 22, 2022, 02:29:48 PM EST, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: "what is vintage" has been a discussion since the beginning. It's when no one asks that I wonder if anyone cares. So I am ok with it. :-) b On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 5:35 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but > time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. > After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the > purists.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

"what is vintage" has been a discussion since the beginning. It's when no one asks that I wonder if anyone cares. So I am ok with it. :-) b On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:19 AM Marvin Johnston via cctalk <

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:19 AM Marvin Johnston via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > After all is said and done, my observations since the time this > listserver was up in Washington is that anything OT has a very short > "shelf life." That would suggest most people here have a working

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

. A long way of saying OT or not is being well served by the choice of most people here on what they post... with the exception of the waaay too long discussion, Re: what is on topic?, currently taking place.

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 9:51 AM Zane Healy wrote: > > Having seen another of your posts, I’m left to wonder how many of us had > our eyes opened by this list back in 1997. In my case having worked on > some systems decidedly “vintage” systems, prior to joining the list helped > spark my interest.

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: what is on topic?

Anything up to 64-bit has been on topic over the life of this list. Though 64-bit initially was pushing it, less so now, as I’d definitely consider something like a Sun Ultra 2, or DEC Alpha to be very much on topic. I definitely participated in discussions of early Macintosh systems back

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Yep. It's called dang old Guy. Anything dang-old is like totally appropriate dude. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 10:23:36 PM EST, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: Perhaps a good but blurry line is "old enough not to be of much practical use anymore for most people, but significant in the history

[cctalk] transcoding etc. was Re: Re: what is on topic?

I obtained a copy of Image Processing in C recently, with the disk, a book which is nearly vintage in it's own right. Back in the 90s I wanted to digitize my then vast library of books. That book, which I foumd at a library, seemed a good starting point. Truth is though it really didn't seem

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Oh, funny, I was just thinking of asking this same question as I resurrect a Mac G4 from about 2001, running Mac OS 9 (not OS X). There's a whole website and forum[1] for that, though. I read this list a lot more than I post. I enjoy some of the tales of old machines, especially anything DEC.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 2022-12-21 6:32 p.m., Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 04:28:35AM +, Chris via cctalk wrote: [...] Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of processing h.p. to be efficient.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 2022-12-21 6:44 p.m., Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 04:17:19PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. Sellam Turing Monkey?

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 04:17:19PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same > exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. > > Sellam Turing Monkey? Does it have infinite roll of paper? -- Regards,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 04:28:35AM +, Chris via cctalk wrote: [...] > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is > necessary. Certainly not an

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

100's of replies later... The first rule of Off-Topic Club is that you do not talk about Off-Topic Club.

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 05:14:13 PM EST, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: One rule I remember (from the early 2000s) is that anything 10 years or older is on-topic. At that point, it was pretty much stuff up to around 1990 or there abouts. I personally feel that MS-DOS is fine, and even

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

It was thus said that the Great Chris via cctalk once stated: > I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back > when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I > asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. One rule I remember

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Sellam, I find nearly everything you said cogent and well appreciated. Especially coming from someone like you who is a prime mover-shaker in this hobby. I'd like to give a better more detailed reply, but don't have the time presently. And I realize people get tired of a topic when it's drawn

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

There were many computers that predate the 8 bit microprocessor based computers. Most of these systems are 12 bits, 16 bits, 18 bits and 36 bits (I excluded 32 bits because I'm not familiar with any 32 bits systems that were not microprocessors) DEC, Data General, CDC, IBM, Honeywell,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

You see, you see. A lot of people are getting stressed oit! Somebody please give me a pillow. And a candy bar would be nice. A draw the shades LOL On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 02:38:37 PM EST, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:05, Bill Degnan via cctalk >

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > If old 8 bits are fun, older 12 bits are even more fun (50% more fun by > word size). > What about VLIW?Not that many places to discuss Itanic these days :)

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

If old 8 bits are fun, older 12 bits are even more fun (50% more fun by word size). And who needs BASIC in ROM (or on cassette), just toggle in your program with the switch register or load it by paper tape. On 12/21/2022 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Old 8-bits are fun. All

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I've not (yet) read 40+ messages in this thread. I'd borrow a measure from vehicle licensing in what defines a "classic" car. Specifically any care 25 years old or older. It's not a perfect line, but it is a relatively easy line. I find that a quarter of a century to be easier to remember

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Chris, This list was never declared to be exclusively an 8-bit affair. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. From the get go in 1997 when Bill Whitson founded the list, all computers of a vintage or obsolete nature were game for discussion. It's only after a few years and time marching

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

No personal experience but maybe this'll help: https://corei64.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product_id=285 Sorry for encouraging inappropriate threads ;-) m On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 1:56 PM steve shumaker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > OK..Now that you mention it, I do

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I will have to admit that, until I joined the CC list in 1997 when it was first launched by Bill Whitson (anyone ever heard from him since he last posted about sticking razorblades to the underside of his dashboard to thwart thieves, which apparently worked?) I didn't have much knowledge about

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Hi Steve. (Long time no talk.) My suggestion to you, as abhorrent as it may seem, is to buy a complete PET 2001, take your 3 keycaps, and part the rest out. Preferably one that's in crap shape. They aren't that uncommon. Sellam On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 10:56 AM steve shumaker via cctalk <

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

> On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:05, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > But for this list, as we are today, we're vintage of the 8-bit era vintage > computer hobbyist. Is that what is on-topic for this list? To me those were kinda cute toys in the day. But I was using CYBERs and PDPs and VAXen

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. Evan Koblentz used to hate anything remotely connected to IBM for reasons (more then

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Chris, That was me saying after 1990, within the context that one should start thinking "is this on topic" if the thing is any newer, and I gave some examples of then it would be and not so much be in my opinion. I also mentioned that to high school kids interested in vintage computers, their

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

OK..    Now that you mention it, I do have a CBM PET question.  I'm searching for replacement key tops for the chicklet keyboard.  There are stems available (apparently 3d printed) on EPay but no caps. Any suggestions on where to look?    I have the keyboard and it seems a little silly to

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

So Jay West doesn't own the list anymore? Since when was the cutoff declared to be 1990? No one is in charge here? What if a revolution takes place? Who will martial the forces to put ot down and hang all the imsurgents?

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

Old 8-bits are fun. All you need is a television generally and you're ready to go. Power it up, drop into BASIC, and start doing stuff. With a PC you need a keyboard, a monitor, a mouse probably, a desktop, some software, etc. How cumbersome. And uninteresting. And boring. Maybe not the greatest

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

After seeing way more than a dozen messages about what is on topic I question whether this topic is on topic. Tongue firmly planting in cheek. Maybe we should apply some topical antiseptic and kill off this topic. On 12/21/2022 1:39 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/20/22 20:51, Chris via cctalk wrote: Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

There is also TinkerDifferent- which is growing in size quickly (covers all systems, but is skewed a bit towards apple): https://tinkerdifferent.com/forums/pentium-6x86.185/ > On Dec 21, 2022, at 2:39 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk > wrote:

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

I typically change the subject header when I reply to a post that I consider OT with the hopes that the original poster gets my point that way... On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11:46 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

>From the headers of your message (and most likely the one you responded to): To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" List-Id: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Seems like this is the list for

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

> > Windows 2003 and XP is about as obsolete now as the IBM PC was in 1995. > Probably more so. XP is popular on Vogons but I'm sure considerably less > then 5% of computers actually host it. > > There's also the issue of beating a dead horse. There will always and > forever (and forever...) be

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general. And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII through socket 771? I admit Pentium and newer forums are a bit harder to find, but some

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Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general. And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII through socket 771? Every classic/vintage forum seems to adhere to a classic in it's own right (but perhaps totally valid) definition of

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On 12/21/2022 12:28 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't do FB. There are many web forums. Just for CBM, there's lemon 64, vcforum, atariage (yes, CBM on atariage), denial, Everything 64, and 6502.org handles a few

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I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't do FB. Incidentally is selling allowed here? I really can't recall. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 01:19:35 AM EST, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > Apples and

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On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Apples and Coco's and C64's would be the common sublist As much as I enjoy these machines, I ask that we do not create yet another list for them.  There are many fine forums for all of these machines.  The occasional PET or VIC question in here

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When I was considerably younger I told my mother that I was going to a Hamfest today. She replied "Oh how nice". Needless to say the woman enjoyed ham. As to the "odious objection", I think it was sent to me directly. Never mind. And Odious Objector LOL LOL a joke, cut me some slack, will ya.

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On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 10:03 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Why? b/c Old people are a bit like old computers? Starting to slowly break down? Usually when I see such crankiness there is a ham call sign present :-)

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Why? Create another list becauae a minority of subscribers consider their opinions paramount? Don't read what isn't of interest to you. Somewhat of a majority of topics don't interest me. Should I complain that some topics are about stuff that is too old and irrelevant (and annoying, in

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On 2022-12-20 4:36 p.m., Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some questions pertaining to Windows

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Well, that's one nay for this topic. :-) Jim

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So long as we don't talk about what is or isn't allowed, the list traffic is low enough not to need specific rules... Except maybe not talking about what is vintage. :p Warner Ps :p is retro emoji :). On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 9:58 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Nah. The nays would habe to

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Nah. The nays would habe to outnumber the yays. You can always find 3 malcontents who hate everything. But that sucks as well because you get involved with runoffs. And subsequently voter fraud, hangimg/dimpled/pregnant chads, storming of the capitol server. Holey moley let's end this topic

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On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. Certainly not an expert. But I should think

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