Adam, if you're that down on CF why are you still using it? Or for that matter
posting to a CF list?
This is a traditionally unpopular metric with CF developers, but there's
this:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
Java's more prevalent than .NET platform
Open BD stagnant? You have to be joking. It has a very active google groups
mailing list, and OBD is actively developed - up to v. 3X now with some very
unique features. While opinions are fine, please don't mask opinions as fact
Adam.
I can't vouch for New Atlanta itself, but BD.NET has not
What in what I said suggested I'm down on CF?
That it is running out of steam and becoming less and less relevant as time
goes on (and I don't think anyone who has a reasonable purchase on reality
can contest that?) has no bearing on nor is impacted by what *I* personally
think about it.
I'm
Zombie Lover...
Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
http://cutterscrossing.com
Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
[Snort]. Yeah, OK mate. You keep telling yourself that.
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On 13 March 2013 13:38, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Open BD stagnant? You have to be joking. It has a very active google
groups mailing list, and OBD is actively developed - up to v. 3X now with
some very unique
I looked at OBD site a while back noticed there was. No mention of the
windows installers done by Viviotech, you have to go to his site to find
them.
No mention of the Web Platform Installer version done by Helicon either.
I know it is very geared toward Linux users, but to purposefully exclude
Working on it as much as I can!
Regards
Mark Drew
On 13 Mar 2013, at 14:00, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
Although to be fair Railo are not very good at keeping their site updated
either.
~|
Order the Adobe
I know I have seen a lot of threads on this in the past, but didn't pay much
attention to them until now.
I have been using CF since v4.0 and now we have clients telling us that we can
not use CF anymore and that we need to switch to .NET.
Now I know our client's upper management couldn't
To be honest, if the reason is that is what others are doing, wouldn't it be
more appropriate to use PHP or Word Press? Those are in far greater use that
.net.
Robert Harrison
Director of Interactive Services
Austin Williams
Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct
125 Kennedy Drive,
For those of u on this list that have experience with both, can I
please get your feedback on the Pros and Cons of going to the
.NET framework from ColdFusion?
Hi Dave, that will depend on what you're doing with it. I don't have
anything against .NET and have done some coding with it. The
A couple of things come to mind. First is the primary reason I use CF:
Speed of development. CF can be seen as a framework for Java much like
jQuery is a framework for JavaScript. It takes care of the bulk of the
heavy lifting and grunt work so you can focus on writing productive code.
,NET is a
Justin,
With regard to a CFML engine running on .NET, New Atlanta has a
BlueDragon .NET edition
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm that does
exactly that.
-Carl V.
On 3/12/2013 2:07 PM, Justin Scott wrote:
For those of u on this list that have experience with both, can
With regard to a CFML engine running on .NET, New Atlanta has a
BlueDragon .NET edition that does exactly that.
Thanks Carl, I knew they had a Java version but wasn't aware of the
.NET edition. Good to know if I ever run across one of those types of
clients.
-Justin
Justin,
As a one-time Java BlueDragon user, I'd say the .NET version is the only
reason I'd use BlueDragon over ACF at this point. They have fallen way
behind in comparable feature support (last time I checked they were
about equivalent to ACF 7/8).
-Carl V.
On 3/12/2013 3:49 PM, Justin
Justin...
OpenBD began its days as a .Net engine...
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.orgwrote:
For those of u on this list that have
And I am sure that if you get to the real nuts and bolts of it, Java is
more popular on the Enterprise level than .Net is.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Gerald Guido
I can't vouch for New Atlanta itself, but BD.NET has not seen any activity
for a number of years, and never got beyond CFMX 7 compat, as far as I can
recollect.
OpenBD is - as far as I can tell - a stagnant project (except for Alan
doing what best suits Alan: fair enough... that was always the
This is a traditionally unpopular metric with CF developers, but there's
this:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
Java's more prevalent than .NET platform languages, but that's not a
compelling reason to use either (/or).
And let's not forget that CFML is not Java,
well, , being as it compiles to java byte code, and you can distribute any
CFML app as pure JAVA, no CFML in sight, which would make it a java app.
I have never tried this TBH, but I would presume you just deploy your app
as a war file, so it presumably would not even need a CFML engine, it will
Well that's fine (and, yes, that's how you do the deployment). But a
language is what you type in to the IDE or text editor, not what it
compiles down to, or that one deploys. Java byte code is no more Java than
CFML is, for that matter.
CFML is not Java. Java is Java.
A better defence of
Russ,
From memory as I haven't done it for awhile, is that the runtime is bundled
with your application meaning you need to supply a serial number with the
war as well. All that assumption was prior to ColdFusion 10, so it may
handle it differently.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite:
No Adam, the compiled version is Java.
Same as both Java and .Net compile down to a bytecode that is interpreted
at the machine language level, which makes machine code not .Net or Java
either :P
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:
To the OP: CFML is withering away... get used to it. Take whatever
opportunity you can to shift to a different language. Either .net-based
languages or Java would be good options.
*
*
True but tizz a crying shame. I have been all over the map but I have yet
to find a replacement that I *really*
Well that's fine (and, yes, that's how you do the deployment). But a
language is what you type in to the IDE or text editor, not what it
compiles down to, or that one deploys. Java byte code is no more Java than
CFML is, for that matter.
CFML is not Java. Java is Java.
That's true from a
^%^$%$%$*(
Now that I got that out of the way I feel a little better. I realize there is
a .NET forum, but it's not used much and I am hoping for immediate help.
Big database change at work this morning.
I went in and changed all the dsn settings in the CFADMIN. All CF applications
Hi,
I know it is off topic for CF but I have to do an app in .Net and I was
wondering if there is a .Net mailing list like HOF.
I am having a really hard time connecting to Oracle with Oracle ODP and not
the Microsoft Oracle ODP. My DBA only wants us to use the Oracle product
since he states
I don't want to start the whole .net vs cf discussion here.
But is it possible to build things as quick as you can in C#
as you can in CF? Are somethings faster better in C#?
I can't, personally. However, with more practice, I'm sure I could. Some
things are certainly better in C#. For
My job's recently gotten a little schizophrenic, and I'm currently
working in both C# (along with ASP.NET) and CF. I think that once
you've gotten a general command of the languages involed, you can
perform common web application tasks in either at about the same rate
of speed.
IMHO, what
Check out www.asp.net and www.windowsforms.net.
I'd start with C#. It's very similar to Java syntax, so you'll have a very quick
transition to Java.
Console apps are _very_ easy to write in .NET, especially if you have the VS IDE (buy
the standard edition - it's only ~$100). Heck, I just
I agree with Kwang. Learning the C# syntax is a better investment as
you will become familiar with many other languages with similar
syntax. It's also a little less verbose.
Writing Web Services and Windows Services has now become trivial with .NET.
Have fun and join the .NET - Talk list on HOF.
Hi All
Sorry for being OT. But could anyone point me to a good resource to learn .NET, from
the begining (hopefully skipping console apps). I am interested in Web and Windows
apps.
Also if anyone could share their thoughts about VB.NET and C# which to learn?
Please note that I am not a
I've taken a college course and learned the basics of VB.NET and
Visual Studio, but we only worked with windows forms - no ASP.NET. So
I've been going through the tutorial at W3Schools (www.w3schools.com).
They also have tutorials on the .NET framework which you'll need at
least a basic
Sorry for being OT. But could anyone point me to a good
resource to learn .NET, from the begining (hopefully skipping
console apps). I am interested in Web and Windows apps.
You don't want to skip console apps! They're very helpful for learning
fundamental programming without the
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You don't want to skip console apps
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I've taken a college course and learned the basics of VB.NET and
Visual Studio, but we only worked with windows forms
needs.
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Dave,
Thanks for the resources
I don't want to start the whole .net vs cf discussion here. But is it
possible to build things
At 01:43 PM 8/5/2004, you wrote:
So does CF, but it's still not ADO.NET.
Until Blue Dragon for .Net is officially released, something everyone
should be looking into, I think.
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Isn't the main goal to build working application as quickly as possible?
Jeez...you are joking...?your goal should be to create the best possible
application.
Depends on the requirements.I would think that both speed of
development and quality of development
Do you mean full time or contract?
Viktors Rotanovs wrote:
Neil Robertson-Ravo [Team Macromedia] wrote:
Isn't the main goal to build working application as quickly as possible?
Jeez...you are joking...?your goal should be to create the best
possible application.
Okay, the best possible
Comments inline...
Viktors Rotanovs wrote:
PHP also runs on Windows and there's nothing wrong with running it that way.
Yeah, but on mission-critical high-end applications, would you run it on
windows? I wouldn't. Though maybe I wouldn't run windows either...
Isn't the main goal to build
Neil Robertson-Ravo [Team Macromedia] wrote:
So does CF, but it's still not ADO.NET.
Back this up with your reasoningalso if you wouldn't run Windows how are you going to run .NET? curious...
http://mono-project.com/about/index.html :D
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Instead
As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly
successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on
running
in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them)
carry
around
: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
One of my doctors is part of a very large group. Every member of the
medical
staff carries around a wireless clipboard .. it is really just a
laptop
designed to be held and used like
I've seen the tablets in action. Very spiffy!
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We have a wireless initiative here. Our docs
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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 7:29 AM
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We use PACS here...
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer
The Children's Medical Center
One Children's Plaza
Dayton
Interesting article:
http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ecvx0BddvJ0V30B8Mu0AF
Marius Milosav
www.scorpiosoft.com
It's not about technology, it's about people.
Virtual Company (VICO) Application Demo
www.scorpiosoft.com/vicodemo/login.cfm
The writer of that article is obviously a nitwit.
-Kevin
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Interesting article:
http
That seems like a vacuous comment, in what fashion do you mean that?
- Calvin
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:30 AM
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Interesting article:
http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ecvx0BddvJ0V30B8Mu0AF
Well, your subject is misleading because the reality is that the only
technology they didn't use was .NET. They *did* use Java as the back end
server technology (JRun). For interfaces, there's really not
with and the advanced UI capabilities of Flash, he makes it out to
be a battle royale in which there can be only one.
-Kevin
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The writer of that article is obviously a nitwit.
-Kevin
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Because Flash can work just fine with .Net and Java and they're not
mutually
exclusive. One is for interface and the others are back end, but that's not
presented at all in the article. The author does mention that they
considered ActiveX for the interface, but that's ActiveX not .Net or Java
True, he could have been more clear that he was talking about client
technologies...
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Sent: September 18, 2003 10:00 AM
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Because Flash can work
Alright, fine. I'm a nitwit too.
-Kevin
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Because Flash can work just fine with .Net
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As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly
successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on
running
in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry
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One of my doctors is part of a very large group. Every member of the medical
staff carries around a wireless clipboard
Hello all
I want to expand my know how to other plattforms especially .Net (ASP.Net, C#). Does
anyone of you know a good and informative mailinglist like CF-Talk for .Net?
Thanks
Urs
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Subject: OT: .Net Mailinglist
Hello all
I want to expand my know how to other
: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:52 AM
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Try ASP Friends:
http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriendshome/
and
http://www.gotdotnet.com/
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Date: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:45 am
Subject: OT
15Seconds.com also has a .NET mailing list that I subscribe to. It's not
bad.
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:33 AM
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Hmmm... I don't recommend ASP friends at all
Hi guys,
I know this is kind of off topic...
I'm working on a VB ASP.NET shopping cart using web forms. I
wonder if anybody has any ideas on how to implement this architecture in
CF. Any ideas on how whether or not it's a good idea?
Matthew Small
IT Supervisor
Showstopper
Soap toolkit? Where can I get that?
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Keep in mind that .NET compatible can mean several things:
1) the ability to create and consume web services
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/default.asp?URL=/code/sample.asp?url=/ms
dn-files/027/001/580/msdncompositedoc.xml
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Soap toolkit
Hi all,
I love CF but also want to increase my skills to other languages. Namely ASP.NET. Does
anyone know if Macromedia is working on a way to make CF .NET compatible?
TIA
Mike Bruce
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Hi all,
I love CF but also want to increase my skills to other languages.
Namely ASP.NET. Does anyone know if Macromedia is working on
a way to make CF .NET compatible?
TIA
Mike Bruce
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: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT - .NET and CF
Hi all,
I love CF but also want to increase my skills to other languages. Namely
ASP.NET. Does anyone know if Macromedia is working on a way to make CF
NET compatible?
TIA
Mike Bruce
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT - .NET and CF
Hi all,
I love CF but also want to increase my skills to other languages.
Namely
ASP.NET. Does anyone know if Macromedia is working on a way to make CF
.NET compatible?
TIA
Mike Bruce
Just a footnote, that page is no longer there!!
Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
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Fear, Uncertainty, and doubt
, September 13, 2001 8:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT .NET: ActiveX in Disguise? FUD alert
Fear, Uncertainty, and doubt .
At 03:49 PM 09/13/2001 -0400, you wrote:
What does FUD mean?
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In one word NO. I just found out that I am both an idiot and a conspiracy
theorist, apologies to everyone.
Kind Regards _ MIke Brunt
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To: CF-Talk
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What does FUD mean?
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Totally off topic, but as someone who likes .Net, I'll just say this is
obvious. I myself have
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Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Usually a Microsoft tactic...
What does FUD mean?
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Totally off topic, but as
http://www.google.com/search?q=fud
Won Lee wrote:
What does FUD mean?
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What does FUD mean?
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I think you'll agree that doesn't make it right.
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FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
Rey...
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Fear, Uncertainty, and doubt .
At 03:49 PM 09/13/2001 -0400, you wrote:
What does FUD mean?
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Totally off topic, but
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