To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
that is incorrect.
from:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/productinfo/faq/#1_7
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Does Contribute work with dynamic web pages?
Macromedia Contribute can edit static HTML on any web page
? Macromedia Contribute, is
it Content Management or not?)
Hmmm, it doesn't look like it works too well with Fusebox. It loaded
the first page, index.cfm, and then loaded all linked pages and graphics
(which is *everything*, since it all goes through index.cfm
Fusebox-style). Then it wouldn't let me
and how many 1.0 have we seen get canned..?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jdinowit;houseoffusion.com]
Sent: 12 November 2002 03:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
Keep in mind, this is a 1.0 release right now.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is
it Content Management or not?)
Hmmm, it doesn't look like it works too well with Fusebox. It loaded
the first page, index.cfm, and then loaded all linked pages and graphics
(which is *everything*, since it all goes
and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
What do you expect for $99? It's not meant for editing web applications,
simply for editing websites!
jb
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo;csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent
' - there's a massive market out there of homeusers.
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo;csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent: 12 November 2002 09:56
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is
it Content Management
, Neil (REC)
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo;csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia
Contribute, is it Content Management or not?)
and how many of those are around...? I mean true old
fashioned pre
[mailto:John.Beynon;era.co.uk]
Sent: 12 November 2002 10:03
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
Small businesses, one man shops etc - not everyone is going to shell out for
DWMX. We all know DW is way better than FrontPage
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From: John Beynon [mailto:John.Beynon;era.co.uk]
Sent: 12 November 2002 10:03
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
Small businesses, one man shops etc - not everyone is going to shell out for
DWMX
]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
and how many of those are around...? I mean true old fashioned
pre db boom
websites...? (and of which you cannot get a free editor
(WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
Millions. And considering Dreamweaver is the best selling web site
development app, it makes sense to have a lightweight, dumbed down content
editor for those Dreamweaver sites.
-Kevin
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From
Great points, Sean.
In our shop, we have one person that does CF full time (me), one that does
it part time combined with design, one that just works on static sites, and
one student. We design/manage/support/build a couple of hundred websites. 72
of those are static and distributed (non-tech)
: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
Millions. And considering Dreamweaver is the best selling web site
development app, it makes sense to have a lightweight, dumbed down content
editor for those Dreamweaver sites.
-Kevin
(REC)
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo;csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
I think there are going to be the pro camps and the con camps, I for one
have decided
[mailto:adrocknatalk;hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
Well I'm curious about the bottom line.
Is anyone planning on implementing Contribute in a business setting?
Outside
;hotmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute,
is it Content Management or not?)
Well I'm curious about the bottom line.
Is anyone planning on implementing Contribute
Jay,
Yeah - and another law is at work here. It's called Mark's PITA law (and it
has nothing to do with animals). It's states:
...the smaller the fee the client is willing to pay, the bigger the PITA he
or she will become
If you have trouble with my acronym, the first three words are Pain in
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia
Contribute, is it Content Management or not?)
| Millions. And considering Dreamweaver is the best selling
web site
| development app, it makes sense to have
I agree - all new clients for the past year are carefully accepted - but
funny thing is - that all this little piddly work that others ignore -
if handled right can be a profit point for someone else.
You just have to know how to deal with the PITA clients. When to ditch
them - when to price
On Tuesday, Nov 12, 2002, at 04:43 US/Pacific, Robertson-Ravo, Neil
(REC) wrote:
It is also interesting to note that the OSX version is not out till
next
year :-)..
Well, Windows is the more popular platform and Contribute has a fairly
tight integration with Windows / MS Office. Again,
People just hate to see any resources moved away from ColdFusion.
Spectra might have made it past 1.0, but it never helped ColdFusion.
Matt Liotta
President CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
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From: Judith Dinowitz
Heck, I think Contribute is a cool idea, my sister wants a site and I think
I'm going to tell her to use it, that way all I have to do is create a
single template and she can do the rest of the work :-) It would be nice
if it was $50 rather than $100, but what can you do.
Pete
- Original
How is the creation of a new product moving resources away from ColdFusion?
-jesse
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta;r337.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
People
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or
not?
How is the creation of a new product moving resources away from
ColdFusion?
-jesse
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta;r337.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:05 PM
How is the creation of a new product moving resources away
from ColdFusion?
If it's not, I'm glad to see that MM now has infinite resources. Woohoo!
Seriously, anything that MM does comes out of the same bucket o'resources,
so if you have a new product, that takes effort that you could spend
Watts [mailto:dwatts;figleaf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
How is the creation of a new product moving resources away
from ColdFusion?
If it's not, I'm glad to see that MM now has infinite
I sure wish they'd fix some of the problems with existing products
before going in another direction.
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwatts;figleaf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
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From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:cflist;ruckelshaus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
Heck, I think Contribute is a cool idea, my sister wants a
site and I think
I'm going to tell her
I want to run Macromedia.
That being said. I don't want to run Macromedia.
;)
~|
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or
not?
/sigh
I know Dave. I'm not claiming infinite resources. However, I don't
think
that becomes a valid critique-able point when examining and
evaluating
;macromedia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
How is the creation of a new product moving resources away
from ColdFusion?
-jesse
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta;r337.com
Yeah - and another law is at work here. It's called
Mark's PITA law (and it has nothing to do with animals).
It's states:
...the smaller the fee the client is willing to pay, the
bigger the PITA he or she will become
If you have trouble with my acronym, the first three words
are Pain in
On Tuesday, Nov 12, 2002, at 06:38 US/Pacific, Adrocknaphobia Jones
wrote:
Outside of giving it to your friend you made a site for, I can't see
implementing this is a real world application. After all, at 100 bucks
a
pop, it doesn't become very cost effective beyond 5 people. At that
point
On Tuesday, Nov 12, 2002, at 12:23 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote:
Seriously, anything that MM does comes out of the same bucket
o'resources,
so if you have a new product, that takes effort that you could spend on
existing products. That's not to say I think it's a bad idea, it's
just how
11:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
Seems to me like a cut-down version of dreamweaver with rights
management from the version I downloaded today...
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From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:cflist;ruckelshaus.com]
Sent
It is NOT a CMS tool. Well, not in the Spectra/CommonSpot type application
vain. It is as, Mike mentioned a sort of DWMX lite with a few extras bolted
on, such as Version Control (only to 99 versions). Is it aimed at the
muppet client who has not idea of the web etc and can easily start
I was the presentation at Devcon. It's content management for static page
websites or the static portions of a site. It uses DWMX templates where you
can restrict editable regions of the pages and create new pages based on
those templates.
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From: Pete Ruckelshaus
, November 11, 2002 11:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
that is incorrect.
from:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/productinfo/faq/#1_7
-
Does Contribute work with dynamic web pages?
Macromedia Contribute can edit static HTML
? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
I was the presentation at Devcon. It's content management for
static page websites or the static portions of a site. It
uses DWMX templates where you can restrict editable regions
of the pages and create new pages based on those
, 2002 10:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
that is incorrect.
from:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/productinfo/faq/#1_7
-
Does Contribute work with dynamic web pages?
Macromedia Contribute can edit
It is NOT a CMS tool. Well, not in the Spectra/CommonSpot type
application
vain. It is as, Mike mentioned a sort of DWMX lite with a few extras
bolted
on, such as Version Control (only to 99 versions). Is it aimed at the
muppet client who has not idea of the web etc and can easily start
: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
| It does seem to be a very odd product, I can't really see
what the
| market is for it.
|
| I can't see it being used on large sites (probably already
CMS), and I
| think we all know how easy it is to put together a dynamic
site
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
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From: Russ [mailto:russ;unrealisticexpectations.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
Is it me
-Talk
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
The product is called a stand-alone product, with no
server-side scripting, but the product description discussed
administration settings.
how does a site administrator enforce server-side settings
The product is called a stand-alone product, with no
server-side scripting, but the product description discussed
administration settings.
how does a site administrator enforce server-side settings
then?
You may find all the relevant info on MM's website and the DesDev.
Basically, using DW
Hmmm, it doesn't look like it works too well with Fusebox. It loaded
the first page, index.cfm, and then loaded all linked pages and graphics
(which is *everything*, since it all goes through index.cfm
Fusebox-style). Then it wouldn't let me edit that region of the
document when clicking any
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
Neil,
Actually, it can work with dynamic pages, but the end-user can't modify
the
dynamic code. In other words, you can have a DW template that includes CF
widgets
-Talk
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
I was the presentation at Devcon. It's content management for
static page websites or the static portions of a site. It
uses DWMX templates where you can restrict editable regions
of the pages and create new
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or
not?
How is this content management thing going to work with sites built in
fusebox or a similar methodology, where the content needs to be
updated
but
the pages are defined by URL parameters, not filenames?
Fregas
See my Contribute and Fusebox post above. It doesn't seem to work too
well w/ Fusebox.
--D
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From: Fregas [mailto:lists;mediaartisans.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
How
But aren't MM telling us that everything is going to be a web
application soon?
;)
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta;r337.com]
Sent: 11 November 2002 20:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
It's
How is this content management thing going to work with sites built in
fusebox or a similar methodology, where the content needs to be updated
but the pages are defined by URL parameters, not filenames?
My expectation would be that the application would have to connect to
individual files like
for Contribute users to modify
and hands off all other aspects including dynamic code.
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From: Fregas [mailto:lists;mediaartisans.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
How
;mediaartisans.com
mailto:lists;mediaartisans.com ]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or
not?
How is this content management thing going to work with sites built in
fusebox or a similar methodology, where
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From: Sandy Clark [mailto:slLists;shayna.com]
Sent: 11 November 2002 20:38
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
It was described to me as (by Macromedia Sales People) at a
government briefing as Dreamweaver
To me, it looks similar to the CMS packages offered by ektron.com
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From: Sandy Clark [mailto:slLists;shayna.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?
It was described to me
[mailto:lists;mediaartisans.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or
not?
How is this content management thing going to work with
sites built in
fusebox or a similar methodology, where the content
Jason Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:3DD04653.3090507;etcnj.com...
There are quite a few hurdles I am curious about - like if the specials
have dynamic links or pages written in coldfusion how it handles it or
rather - does not interfere with it - I will be ecstatic to hand over
On Monday, Nov 11, 2002, at 12:44 US/Pacific, Sandy Clark wrote:
My initial feel from looking at the stuff is this is going to be mostly
meant for smaller sites that use Dreamweaver MX to setup the template
editing areas with defined static areas for Contribute users to modify
and hands off
Monday, November 11, 2002, 6:07:47 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
Personally - if this is really what it is - Finally a light means to
edit simple stuff that a developer or a serious designer get's tired of
editing - like Today's Specials - it will be great.
And so begins the next round between
, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content
Management or not?
| Monday, November 11, 2002, 6:07:47 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
|
| Personally - if this is really what it is - Finally a
light means to
| edit simple stuff that a developer or a serious designer
get's tired
LOL - That is hilarious and I really should have put a disclaimer in
there regarding that.!
I may with your permission possibly post this with any inquries
regarding this software *grin
All kidding aside though - I would think others out there will inform
clients of the do's and don'ts and
Topic: Macromedia Contribute
http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/contribute/
Poking around the site, it sure as heck looks like some sort
of content management system, but MACR seems to go to great
pains to NOT us the Content Management moniker. The
Conspiracy Theorist in me (a small
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