ColdFusion Builder and remote debugging

2010-03-26 Thread Andrew Scott
I would so love to blog about this, but before I do I want to hear about others who have done or tried the same thing, Scenario: I am running a vmware running ColdFusion Builder which is essential another machine with different IP. Trying to connect to the host or another IP with

Re: ColdFusion Builder and remote debugging

2010-03-26 Thread Azadi Saryev
debugger mappings are under Window-Preferences-Coldfusion-Debug Mappings i however have not set them up or played with them as my cf and cfb are on the same server... Azadi On 26/03/2010 18:07, Andrew Scott wrote: I would so love to blog about this, but before I do I want to hear about

RE: ColdFusion Builder and remote debugging

2010-03-26 Thread Andrew Scott
Ok that is the same mappings I setup in the server, even though it didn't have server mappings it still is not letting me debug even though I set this up right -Original Message- From: Azadi Saryev [mailto:azadi.sar...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 26 March 2010 9:21 PM To: cf-talk

Re: FlashBuilder and Colfusion builder

2010-03-26 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Paul Kukiel pkuk...@gmail.com wrote: If I have FlexBuilder 3 Pro and I want FlashBuilder 4 Premium for $299 do I get the upgrade to FB4 Premium and also a ColdFusion Builder license? If you choose to buy FB4, you will have both CFB and FB4 as separate download

Re: FlashBuilder and Colfusion builder

2010-03-26 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Paul Kukiel pkuk...@gmail.com wrote: If I have FlexBuilder 3 Pro and I want FlashBuilder 4 Premium for $299 do I get the upgrade to FB4 Premium and also a ColdFusion Builder license?

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Scott Brady
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: Let me state this as simple as I can... Flash is DEAD unless it's on the iPhone! Either get it on there or it's going to be Javascript and html5 or 8 out of 10 projects will be using javascript and html5

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: Short of something killing the iPhone (and the new Windows Phone 7 Series phones won't help -- they also don't support Flash), I'm not sure there's anything Adobe can do about it. Scott Just wondering here... What

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Scott Brady
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I don't write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out there... Isn't this something that could lead to a class action

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
What happened to exporting apps into iPhone apps? Wasn't that one of the main highlights of Flash Builder previews?  Export your Flex/ AIR apps to iPhone? I tried searching their highlights page and found nothing searching for iPhone? The Flash CS5 release, coming soon, lets Flash developers

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: The Flash CS5 release, coming soon, lets Flash developers export to native iPhone apps, which can then presumably be put in the App Store and rejected for arbitrary and capricious reasons. The AIR runtime for iPhone is

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread denstar
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: ... Just wondering here... What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I don't write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out there... Isn't this something that could lead to a class action

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Phillip Duba
Not sure where you got that info, but according to this article from Gartner last month, http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1306513, the iPhone is only 14% of the overall Smartphone sales for last year. The Smartphone space itself is only a small percentage of all cell phone purchases it also

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread mac jordan
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff. I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all. -- mac jordan www.kestrel.org | www.reactivecooking.com | www.nibblous.com | www.jordan-cats.org

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread brad
I think the most we can do is encourage people to buy other phones. Well I walked out of a Sprint store with my new HTC Hero Android phone last night so I guess I'm doin' my part :) ~Brad ~| Want to reach the

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Roberts
It couldn't save Netscape because there was nothing to save. Netscape was POS at that point and that was why it lost out. That's what happens when the company that buys you out and then puts you on the back burner for 4 years. IE and Netscape were pretty much nose to nose when AOL bought

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:15 AM, mac jordan mac.jor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff. I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all. +1 Although I still need

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong) but adobe not producing flash for it yet. No, this is Apple saying no to Flash. Adobe's had it for a while now, but it's an obvious competitor to the App Store, so Apple has no incentive to allow it. It's also not on

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Mark A. Kruger
Yes... a small stake in a small segment - and I-phones have a very specific demographic - trending younger and upwardly mobile (which really means they think credit and cash are synonyms - ha). Such a demographic is attractive to be sure. It seems larger to us because as tech savvy early adapters

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all. The strict control of the App Store does suck. The fact that you can't have a native Google Voice app because it might affect ATTs profit sucks. The fact that Apple can remove or block apps from the App Store for any reason they like sucks. The

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Les Mizzell
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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread brad
I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong) but adobe not producing flash for it yet. Gladly. When I was at Max 2008 Adobe said he had Flash working on the iPhone and they were simply awaiting approval from the head chef (Apple). That was a year and a half ago!

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
What - Flash isn't on the Android phones?  I just got me on of them Android phones last night (HTC Hero) and it most definitely has flash in the browser. Some Android phones have Flash, others don't. HTC has their own in-house Flash player which is based on Flash Lite, I think. HTC has all

(ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Orlini, Robert
Sorry folks a little off topic here, but I'm not good at javascript. I have this email confirm code that tells me I need to enter a valid email, but then still sends me to the next form which generates an error because of no email address. The problem seems to be in this section not stopping

Re: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Dorioo
Aside: Are you only doing client validation? You really, really should be doing server validation and adding the javascript as sprinkles on top. - Gabriel On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Orlini, Robert rorl...@hwwilson.com wrote: Sorry folks a little off topic here, but I'm not good at

cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler
I'm trying to get cfschedule to send out an email. I've checked out a few tutorials and I don't see the problem I'm having. I have a page to set the cfschedule and it contains: cfschedule action=update task=facilities_daily_notification interval=60

RE: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Harrison
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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Andy Matthews
Dave... Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon for the iPhone? andy -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:51 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! What happened to exporting

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Roberts
Isn't that a 2.1 update on the Android phones? I forget the reason why...I know there is a beta of 10.1 on adobe's site. I wasn't aware that Apple was blocking it...no surprise. It's one of the many reasons I would never own an Apple product. Eric -Original Message- From: Dave Watts

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Roberts
I am thinking it must be a 2.1 thing then...Droids are still on 2.0. Eric -Original Message- From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:37 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released! I don't think this is apple saying no to flash

ReCaptcha service changes!

2010-03-26 Thread Jeff Gladnick
We're using cfReCaptcha and got the following message. Anyone else receive this email? Dear reCAPTCHA Customer, As part of moving reCAPTCHA to the Google infrastructure, the IP addresses of api-verify.recaptcha.net have changed. Nearly all our customers were automatically moved to the new

RE: ReCaptcha service changes!

2010-03-26 Thread Gaulin, Mark
Restart ColdFusion... Java caches host-to-IP address stuff for a long time. Thanks Mark -Original Message- From: Jeff Gladnick [mailto:jeff.gladn...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:36 PM To: cf-talk Subject: ReCaptcha service changes! We're using cfReCaptcha and got

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon for the iPhone? That's a good question. I was sure I'd seen something like that in one of the feeds I read, but can't find it now. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Andy Matthews
I believe I'd heard about AIR for Android devices, but I'd be utterly shocked if AIR made it to the iPhone. That sort of goes against their terms, stating that additional runtimes may not be included. andy -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Friday,

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Judah McAuley
Apple is blocking it, yes, but they also have some very valid points about the stability and performance of the Flash player. Flash player is pretty good on Windows and yet it is still the almost the sole cause of my memory leaks in Firefox. Install Firefox with no other plugins, head to a flash

Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread Mike Chabot
Are you aware that you can schedule tasks using a nice GUI from inside of ColdFusion Administrator? The problem might be related to setting the start time to now(), since the CF scheduler is checked for new jobs to process on an interval basis, not on a continual basis. Try scheduling the

Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, daniel kessler dani...@umd.edu wrote: I'm trying to get cfschedule to send out an email. I've checked out a few tutorials and I don't see the problem I'm having. I have a page to set the cfschedule and it contains: cfschedule action=update

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hmmm...but it's Apple's phone, Dave. And, like CFBuilder and Adobe, they can do anything they like with it. Restricting builders and suppliers has always been the hallmark of Apple, for good and for ill to the company and their customers. You seem to have a very strong opinion about Apple's

404 and CFCHART Problem

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Harrison
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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
Hmmm...but it's Apple's phone, Dave. And, like CFBuilder and Adobe, they can do anything they like with it. Restricting builders and suppliers has always been the hallmark of Apple, for good and for ill to the company and their customers. You seem to have a very strong opinion about

Re: 404 and CFCHART Problem

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
In a previous thread I was asking about getting a custom 404.cfm to display on missing .cfm pages. Got that working. In that thread someone mentioned it could cause a problem with CFchart because it references some kind of page that doesn't exists, and I'd have to make a fake page if I used

RE: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Orlini, Robert
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Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler
Are you aware that you can schedule tasks using a nice GUI from inside of ColdFusion Administrator? It's a centralized server so I don't have access to the Administrator. The problem might be related to setting the start time to now(), since the CF scheduler is checked for new jobs to process

Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler
Try 61 seconds... You can't set a schedule to run every 60 seconds. good to know, thanks. I set it to 120 with no effect. See my reply above, please, for the full code. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with

Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread daniel kessler
Maybe the problem is the way that I'm designating start-date and start time. This code: cfset start_date = createDate(year(now()),month(now()),day(now())) cfset start_time = createTime(hour(now()),minute(now())+10,second(now())) produces: {ts '2010-03-26 00:00:00'} {ts '1899-12-30 14:28:29'}

RE: 404 and CFCHART Problem

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Harrison
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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth
And, in the same way: I don't disagree with Apple's (Adobe's) right to do whatever they like with their products, and if I was Steve Jobs (Adobe) I'd probably do the exact same thing, because it's a sensible business decision. It's also a sensible decision for me not to voluntarily enter their

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
Now that doesn't sounds suspiciously like an emotional, rather than rational, response, Dave... Your choice is to buy it or don't buy it... Yes, that is my choice. I choose not to. Again, though, unlike you, I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan, or saying that they shouldn't

Re: cfschedule help

2010-03-26 Thread Mike Chabot
If there was an error being thrown by your scheduled task, would you have any way of finding out? Do you get E-mailed with the error details? Not having access to the log files makes troubleshooting scheduled tasks more challenging. Often the error jumps right out at you by viewing the error log.

Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Willis
mainly cuz i did not know what i was doing and i read some old cf6 advice. I was able to get it to work fine with creating cfc and invoking from another page. What is not working is if i use cfhttp with httpparam type=xml. it returns a must end a meta tag error. when i dump the raw data it

Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
mainly cuz i did not know what i was doing and i read some old cf6 advice.  I was able to get it to work fine with creating cfc and invoking from another page.   What is not working is if i use cfhttp with httpparam type=xml.  it returns a must end a meta tag error.  when i dump the raw

Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Willis
yeah, i am seeing that. I am creating my first consumable webservice for my clients. i use webservices with several of my vendors and i use cfhttp, so i was trying to get it to work that way to make sure that my clients can use my webservice. Having a bit of trouble with the cfhttp, but the

Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
yeah, i am seeing that.  I am creating my first consumable webservice for my clients.  i use webservices with several of my vendors and i use cfhttp, so i was trying to get it to work that way to make sure that my clients can use my webservice.  Having a bit of trouble with the cfhttp,

Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Willis
thanks, now i can get to the real meat of it. hopefully some day i can return the favor. thanks, again ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists

FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Burns
I have a customer who may want to migrate to a CMS and I've told him to consider FarCry or Mura although I have zero experience with either. I can't find many resources around that give a solid comparative review. Can anyone here either point me to one or, if you have experience with both,

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth
I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan When did I advise that? saying that they shouldn't do that When did I say that? I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high. And if that's advising them to change their business plan, then, ok, that's what I'd advise. I'm entitled to

Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Burns
I have a customer who would like a search function for his web-site but does not want to use Google's custom search service. They use shared hosting (CrystalTech) that does not offer Verity or Solr (I believe this is true but am confirming with them). Given those constraints, does anyone

Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Barney Boisvert
MySQL has decent (not stellar, not terrible) FULLTEXT indexing capabilities. It's not going to give you web indexing, just database indexing, but that might be sufficient if the content to search is simple and stored the right way. If you wanted to go really low tech, you could use wget to

Re: FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread Jake Churchill
I have Farcry experience and worked at a place that did a Mura site and from my experience, they do the same basic thing. The thing that I saw is Farcry is a much more complete solution so if you are doing anything enterprise level, definitely go that route. If you just want a basic site with a

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Watts
I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high. No, you said a lot more than that. You said that it wasn't fair for Adobe to price CFB at $300, since Dreamweaver was around the same amount and that was an original work, and that this was an incentive for you not to buy CFB even if it would make

Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan When did I advise that? saying that they shouldn't do that When did I say that? Nah, I said that... And as for Dave's comment It's also a sensible

Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Burns
Thanks, Barney. I've used MySQL's FULLTEXT capabilities in the past with good success. I should clarify that we're using SQL Server 2008. I think that has some similar abilities. I agree though that the overall approach is not ideal. I'm hoping someone has a combo of some spidering scripts

Re: GIT Anyone?

2010-03-26 Thread Ben Alembick
Wow guys thats a lot of info, really useful cheers. Ive just had a look at HG and cant even get it installed (not a good start), keep getting an error message after the install process when eclipse restarts, it attempts to open preferences and try's to save the mercurial section. Any way

Re: GIT Anyone?

2010-03-26 Thread Ben Alembick
Wow guys thats a lot of info, really useful cheers. Ive just had a look at HG and cant even get it installed (not a good start), keep getting an error message after the install process when eclipse restarts, it attempts to open preferences and try's to save the mercurial section. Any way

Re: FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread John Allen
Ive messed with both. They are pretty nice products and both their code bases are easy to understand. Mura is nice cause its pretty light weight, and adding custom applications is extremely easy. Installing both is very easy. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com

Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Gerald Guido
There are a couple search tools on RIAForge http://listpages.riaforge.org/ http://goat.riaforge.org/ http://seeker.riaforge.org/ I have not used these. The second two require you to create Java Objects and most shared hosts don't allow that. FWIW, I did some research on SQL server 05 a while

Re: GIT Anyone?

2010-03-26 Thread Qasim Rasheed
Here is a great post by Joel on Distributed version control http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Ben Alembick benalemb...@gmail.com wrote: Wow guys thats a lot of info, really useful cheers. Ive just had a look at HG and cant even get it

Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Kevin Pepperman
Verity or Lucene work pretty well-- though it does take some time to wrap your head around how you go about get complex data indexed. But once you understand it it is very customizable. cfcollection, cfindex, and cfsearch are all you need to build a fairly robust search engine with stemming as

Re: FlashBuilder and Colfusion builder

2010-03-26 Thread Paul Kukiel
Great news thanks. Paul On Mar 26, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Paul Kukiel pkuk...@gmail.com wrote: If I have FlexBuilder 3 Pro and I want FlashBuilder 4 Premium

Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Maureen
Are they opposed to all web based search engines, or only Google. If the latter, Bing might be an option. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Dave Burns cft...@burnsorama.com wrote: I have a customer who would like a search function for his web-site but does not want to use Google's custom

Re: FarCryCMS versus Mura

2010-03-26 Thread Malcolm O'Keeffe
I have Farcry experience and worked at a place that did a Mura site and from my experience, they do the same basic thing. The thing that I saw is Farcry is a much more complete solution so if you are doing anything enterprise level, definitely go that route. Jake, as a member of the Mura CMS

Re: (ot) email confirm

2010-03-26 Thread Bryn Parrott
Sorry folks a little off topic here, but I'm not good at javascript. I have this email confirm code that tells me I need to enter a valid email, but then still sends me to the next form which generates an error because of no email address. The problem seems to be in this section not

RE: ReCaptcha service changes!

2010-03-26 Thread Justin Scott
We're using cfReCaptcha and got the following message. Anyone else receive this email? I didn't get the e-mail, but error reporting on the server was sending me connection errors to reCAPTCHA for a few hours a few days ago. It corrected itself eventually though. -Justin

Re: Custom search engine

2010-03-26 Thread Kevin Pepperman
It looks like CrystalTech supports verity search. I cannot see any reason they would not support it. Maybe all it takes is to let them know you need it. http://help.webcontrolcenter.com/KB/a271/adding-verity-collection-to-a-coldfusion-site.aspx?KBSearchID=76929 -- /Kevin Pepperman They who

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth
You said that it wasn't fair for Adobe to price CFB at $300 Now, I'm not going to spend time searching back through all the messages to be 100% certain, but I highly doubt that I ever said it was unfair...that wouldn't be correct. I said it wasn't appropriate pricing. That is a personal

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth
Sorry...left off some other comments previously... Not that it's a bad product, or that it carries onerous restrictions. And you had the same beef with CF - you argued on this very list for years about how painful it would be to your precious wallet to upgrade. Wrong on both accounts. I

RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Faircloth
Yep...me, too. And I said as much to Dave. I believe, based on Apples' garden they've planted, that he shouldn't do business with them. The garden that Adobe is growing with CF Builder is objectionable to me, therefore I choose not to do business with them concerning CF Builder.