Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile browsers. I'm doing a

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread James Holmes
Anyone who wants to fix the problem of distracted programmers in the office should try Pair Programming. http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/pair.html -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 25 June 2011 02:10, Aaron Rouse aaron.ro...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
I know this works well for some people but it would drive me absolutely bug nuts. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:58 AM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone who wants to fix the problem of distracted programmers in the office should try Pair Programming.

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Brady
I worked on a small project at a previous job where we tried pair programming and it had mixed results. We didn't do the slide the keyboard and mouse back and forth technique. Instead, we'd do shifts where one person developed on his machine for a while, while the other provided

Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Richard White
Hi, we are having to build a complex query in a string using parameters passed through the URL and then run it within a cfquery. Here is a basic example: cfset param1 = url.param1 / cfset sqlString = 'select value from table1 where id = #param1#' / cfquery name=myQuery

Re: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Russ Michaels
try reversing the quotes, using double quotes in a query shouldn't actually work anyway. cfset sqlString = select value from table1 where id = '#param1#' / On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Richard White rich...@j7is.co.uk wrote: Hi, we are having to build a complex query in a string using

Re: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Claude Schnéegans
try reversing the quotes, using double quotes in a query shouldn't actually work anyway. Exact. But then the problem may arise with single quotes in the parameter. Allowing single or double quotes in an id field in a database is looking for trouble. If quotes are not supposed to be used, may

Re: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Richard White
Hi Claude, thanks for your reply. we want to allow users to be able to enter either single or double quotes in the fields thanks try reversing the quotes, using double quotes in a query shouldn't actually work anyway. Exact. But then the problem may arise with single quotes in the

Re: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Boughton
Don't built dynamic queries with user-supplied data, unless you like exposing yourself to SQL injection. cfquery name=myQuery datasource=myDatasource SELECT value FROM table1 WHERE id = cfqueryparam value=#url.param1# / /cfquery And url.param1 can contain as many single or double quotes as you

RE: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Why aren't you doing this? cfquery... Select value from table1 where id = cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_int value=#url.param1# / /cfquery What you have now is quite dangerous. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original Message-

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Boughton
I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. That's why you shouldn't do browser detection, you should do feature detection. For HTML5, here's a guide to doing that:

RE: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Exactly. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original Message- From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:24 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Double Quote issue Don't built dynamic queries with

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the feedback, Maureen. I know how you feel. I wish we could just have one browser to rule them all. I don't even want to think about how good that would be... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM To: cf-talk

RE: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew Scott
Richard you could always use the cfsavecontent to build the SQL, and then use the variable in the cfquery. But you should also be using cfqueryparam with anything from forms and url, essentially anything that is or could be from user input. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks, Sean... I agree with that perspective. HTML5 / CSS3 for mobile and the regular for the desktop. Something's got to change with the development of standards. HTML5 not complete and full interoperable until 2022 !?!?! We need some sort of continuously updated standard with more nimble

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Boughton
We need some sort of continuously updated standard with more nimble browser updating, as well. That is *EXACTLY* what HTML5 is now - an evolving standard which you CAN use on the desktop right now (if you do things correctly; detect features not browsers).

Re: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Richard White
thanks for the pointers, we understand the problem here is down to not using the cfquery param thanks Richard you could always use the cfsavecontent to build the SQL, and then use the variable in the cfquery. But you should also be using cfqueryparam with anything from forms and url,

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
I don't quite see it that way, Peter. I would like to see the continuously updated aspect be the burden of the W3C, et al, and the browser creators, instead the burden of the developers to continuously jump through hoops to make front-end sense of the tangled mess of browsers and standards that

Re: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Richard White
the issue here is that there are various filters being built up from different functions which is why we are having to do it as a string and not directly inside a cfquery tag. is there anyway to put the cfqueryparam tag inside a string and have it output that? again a basic example: cfset

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
 In Claude's original question, it doesn't appear he's using CFCONTENT: Yes I am. Here is a summary of the code in application.cfm: You can see that the requested file is never executed nor intended to. The only purpose of the .cfm extension is to force the execution of the

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
My guess is that the compiler takes lots of extra time and resources, so it does all its work before getting into the execution process. May be, however it will also compile some files for nothing, ie: included files actually not included at execution... which represents an extra

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
Until we see the code that delivers the PDF, you have to look at what is causing the compile error. It has nothing to do with when one is compiled or not, or what order it is compiled in. ColdFusion will always compile application.cfm/application.cfc and then the template you are trying to

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
Instead of major milestone releases on the part of standards groups and browser creators, I'd rather them take on one enhancement at a time and implement it across the spectrum of browsers.  Instead of FF3 and FF4, IE7, IE8, and IE9... there's just FF and IE, each with nightlies enhanced a

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Russ Michaels
hasn't this all been said several times already ? On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Until we see the code that delivers the PDF, you have to look at what is causing the compile error. It has nothing to do with when one is compiled or not, or what

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing more than opinion, but common sense tells you that distractions stop you form working effectively. And the only way to avoid those distractions is to be away from them. In my experience, there are more distractions in the office than at home. I

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
hasn't this all been said several times already ? It doesn't appear to have been said simply and clearly, no. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the

Re: Check for and removing some cookiees

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
I think this would be easy but seems not.  We have a main site at www.oursite.com and then we have 2 subdomains.  We'll call them:   second.oursite.com and third.oursite.com. A person visits our main site at www.oursite.com and we set these two cookies: cfcookie name=TestWWW

Re: Problem with pound signs

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
Here is a crazy idea - wouldn't what you are looking for be a runtime error? I would expect that to be a compile-time error, actually. But the code analyzer might still find it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a

Re: Problem with pound signs

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
Here is a crazy idea - wouldn't what you are looking for be a runtime error? I would expect that to be a compile-time error, actually. But the code analyzer might still find it. Aaaand now I've gotten to the bottom of the thread, and see this has already been covered. D'oh! Dave Watts,

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
One can always dream... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 1:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Instead of major milestone releases on the part of standards groups and browser creators, I'd rather them

RE: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Ok. Your example didn't show any filters, it just took it directly from the URL and stuck it right into a cfquery. I've heard of people writing their cfquery to files so they could generate the proper cfqueryparams and then just cfinclude that file to run the query. Obviously that's going to add

Re: Double Quote issue

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Boughton
Richard wrote: the issue here is that there are various filters being built up from different functions which is why we are having to do it as a string and not directly inside a cfquery tag. The issue here is that you are trying to use cfquery in a way it wasn't designed to be used, which

Re: Problem with CF Execute

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
Ok, that was part of my problem. I had CF running on one account, but that account didn't have access to ANT. You may need a higher permission user account other than the system account, in the services admin panel on Windows you can tell CF what user account to run as. At least for testing

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Russ Michaels
If you work in an open plan office full of ringing phones and people talking and what not then I would agree, that is worse. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing more than opinion, but common sense tells you that

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Roger Austin
On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, Dave Watts wrote: In my experience, there are more distractions in the office than at home. I think that's true for a lot of people. I'm much more productive in my home office than I was at work. I would agree, but I guess it can go either way. You need a good place to

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Boughton
I don't quite see it that way, Peter. ... It's been a long week... And a long rambling post, which seems to be missing the points I was making. :P The W3C will always be doing the major milestone nonsense, because they're a big bureaucratic organisation that does stuff like that.

Re: Problem with pound signs

2011-06-25 Thread Raymond Camden
I'll forgive you - once. ;) I'm still waiting to here back from Steven to see if this method worked for him. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Here is a crazy idea - wouldn't what you are looking for be a runtime error? I would expect that to be a

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
Peter, 1. It's not a long post. 2. It's not rambling. I think Rick's post was spot-on accurate and I totally agree with every point he makes. Just sticking your head in the sand and saying oh well, that's the way it is is a way of thinking that would leave us in the dark ages. Rick clearly

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
Dave, Would you like to explain exactly what your posting aims to add to this discussion? Jenny Instead of major milestone releases on the part of standards groups and browser creators, I'd rather them take on one enhancement at a time and implement it across the spectrum of browsers.  

passing Coldfusion variables to an onclick link

2011-06-25 Thread Terry Troxel
How can I make a TD like the code below to change colors onmouseover as it does just fine, but instead of the alert href to a page when the TD is clicked? And I need it to pass a cf variable to that page like an href call: newpage.cfm?var=#var# table id=test border='1' cellspacing='0'

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
Would you like to explain exactly what your posting aims to add to this discussion? Sure. I'll try not to be too condescending. There are some things that we can control or influence. There are other things that are beyond our control or influence. This falls into the latter category. Not to

RE: passing Coldfusion variables to an onclick link

2011-06-25 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Make the text a link to newpage.cfm?var=#var# :-) Onclick=document.location='newpage.cfm?var=#var#' That isn't going to work consistently in all browsers for a TD. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original Message- From: Terry

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
I may be mistaken, but I believe Peter meant his own post... .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:18 PM To: cf-talk

Using CFInclude. on Pages Placed in Subfolders

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Donahue
Hello everyone, I just finished resurrecting a Web site belonging to one of the organizations we belong to. The site is running under CF9 Enterprise Edition. Because the site is very page and topic intensive I like to group related pages in subfolders under the root folder and in some

Re: Using CFInclude. on Pages Placed in Subfolders

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
   Enter the use of CFInclude. I was able to successfully load pages placed in second-level subfolders (Subfolders place directly under the root folder) without any trouble once the syntax was adjusted. For example CFInclude template=../menu.cfm or CFInclude template=../footer.cfm. This

RE: passing Coldfusion variables to an onclick link

2011-06-25 Thread Terry Troxel
Thanks Bobby, works perfect. Terry ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: Using CFInclude. on Pages Placed in Subfolders

2011-06-25 Thread Russ Michaels
why not just include the files relative to the root exactly as your are doing with the SSI ? CFInclude template=/footer.cfm Russ On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Peter Donahue pdonah...@satx.rr.comwrote: Hello everyone, I just finished resurrecting a Web site belonging to one of the

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Russ Michaels
LOL. Now, perhaps you can look at having that bug extracted from your ass. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber

RE: Using CFInclude. on Pages Placed in Subfolders

2011-06-25 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Isn't that only relative to the webroot if the default / cfmapping doesn't exist? I always forget which one wins since the first thing I usually do is delete that default / CF mapping. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original

Re: Problem with CF Execute

2011-06-25 Thread Leigh
However, SYSTEM doesn't have a shell, or many of the environment variables that user accounts generally have. Dave - Interesting. I did not know that. Offhand, do you know of articles that talk more about the differences between SYSTEM and regular user accounts? (If not, no problem. I can

Re: Problem with CF Execute

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
However, SYSTEM doesn't have a shell, or many of the environment variables that user accounts generally have. Dave - Interesting. I did not know that. Offhand, do you know of articles that talk more about the differences between SYSTEM and regular user accounts? (If not, no problem. I can

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Something's got to change with the development of standards. HTML5 not complete and full interoperable until 2022 !?!?! You need to read a bit deeper into the subject - as Peter suggests. Standards organizations

Re: Using CFInclude. on Pages Placed in Subfolders

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Donahue
Hello Russ and everyone, We tried your suggestion. As long as the pages were in the same folder as the includes everyone was happy but when pages in subfolders called cfinclude template=includeme.cfm That's when we got the 500 Internal Server Errors. Dave Watts gave me great suggestions

Re: (ot) Looking for a good Click-to-Call provider

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Rhodes
No one here has ever use a click-to-call provider? Can't believe little old me is breaking new ground. :) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Robert Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All. I am looking for good Click-to-Call provider with a cf-friendly web service to consume. Any

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Claude Schnéegans
CF will attempt to compile it. My assumption was it was not compiled if not executed, but from my very first post I know it is not the case. My question was is it possible to get around this. I got about 50 answers to explain what I already knew, but none to my question. So I conclude that

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: I worked on a small project at a previous job where we tried pair programming and it had mixed results. It can take some practice - and some developers are rather resistant to it (control issues). It was actually

Re: Problem with CF Execute

2011-06-25 Thread Leigh
Okay, thanks Dave. It's a Windows NT book, but the security model of Windows hasn't really changed significantly. Hm... I might have to hit up a friend of mine that has a bunch of old windows NT books then. Knew he would come in handy for something...

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
My assumption was it was not compiled if not executed, but from my very first post I know it is not the case. My question was is it possible to get around this. I got about 50 answers to explain what I already knew, but none to my question. So I conclude that there is probably no way to

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
stop worrying about all this and relax a bit - that's exactly what weekends were designed for That's the best advice I've read all week! :o) -Original Message- From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 3:08 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some

RE: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew Scott
I did Claude (But I stated a possible bug), because I still am struggling because you don't share the code, to how you are including or loading the PDF. In other words I think there is a solution but I would need to see the code and the offending PDF to help further. Regards, Andrew Scott

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
It's much more important to focus on what features are implemented and what you CAN use rather than throwing up your hands and acting like all of it is out of reach. I certainly don't claim to understand the standards process (which doesn't seem like much of a process anyway :oP), but as fast

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
Now, fellows... let's be gentlemen, here... -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... LOL. Now, perhaps you can look at having that bug extracted from your ass.

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thank you, Jenny. :o) Take that, you guys! -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Peter, 1. It's not a long post. 2. It's not rambling. I think Rick's

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread James Holmes
No. Happy now? -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 26 June 2011 07:19, wrote: My question was is it possible to get around this. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Rick Faircloth
Peter, I did check out the caniuse.com site and, while it's a welcome resource for sorting out feature usage, it's also an illustration of the increasing insanity of feature development. I mean, just look at that page! There has *got* to be a better way of progressing. Perhaps we could just

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm just complaining about the age-old browser incompatibilities and having to add mobile development into that mix. Well, the former is nothing new and, frankly, the latter is an easier bunch to deal with because

Re: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Claude Schnéegans
because you don't share the code I did sent all the code, you probably missed it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: There has *got* to be a better way of progressing. Perhaps we could just lock all the browser vendors into a room and make them fight it out over what features will be developed and in what order and not let them

RE: application.cfm

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew Scott
Yes you did but I also asked for the PDF in question so that I could run some tests as well, maybe you missed that:-) Anyway I have a couple of questions. 1) Why are you using application/octet-stream instead of the PDF one? Are you going to be using other file types here? 2) Why do you have

Re: Problem with CF Execute

2011-06-25 Thread Andrei Kondrashev
If this software requires a registration, like entering serial number or activation code, most likely, it uses Windows registry to remember it. When it starts up, it looks for this entry in registry, possibly in the profile of the current user. When you run the program from CF under SYSTEM

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
Yeah, doing a lot of that too. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Boughton bought...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to keep up with what works and what doesn't. That's why you

Re: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
I'm liking this guy a lot: http://stuffandnonsense.co.uk/blog/about/keep_calm_and_carry_on_with_html5/ On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: There has *got* to be a better way of progressing. Perhaps we could just lock all the browser vendors into a

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
Just the type of reply I have come to expect from you. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: 25 June 2011 22:26 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... Would you like to explain exactly what your posting aims to add to this discussion?

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
Birds of a feather ... -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: 25 June 2011 23:02 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Need some perspective... LOL. Now, perhaps you can look at having that bug extracted from your ass. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf

RE: Need some perspective...

2011-06-25 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
I think you may have to lower your expectations, Rick ;) lol -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: 26 June 2011 02:44 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Need some perspective... Now, fellows... let's be gentlemen, here...