RE: An effort to make cold fusion 8 standard edition more efficie nt

[John Mason]

IIS supports compression, but it's a PITA to configure.  Of course MS 
doesn't provide any sort of GUI for this and you have to edit their xml
file... 

Actually you don't, if you want to use IIS compression, there is a plugin
called  HttpZip by Port80. It's a GUI plugin to manage the IIS settings for
this.

http://www.port80software.com/products/httpzip/

They also have several other tools for IIS configurations.

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-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: An effort to make cold fusion 8 standard edition more efficie
nt

IIS supports compression, but it's a PITA to configure.  Of course MS
doesn't provide any sort of GUI for this and you have to edit their xml
file... 

Apache also supports compression and is much easier to configure.  

FusionReactor supports compression as well for CF content. 

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Don L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:11 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: An effort to make cold fusion 8 standard edition more 
 efficie nt
 
 Thanks for the idea, Dave, unfortunately my version of the web server 
 does not seem to support compression, oddly it has a dll for
compression...
 I'll probably need to do more research...
 
 Don
 
 Yes, if your web server is configured to gzip static files, these 
 files
 will
 be gzipped. All CF does is write the SCRIPT tags that reference the 
 .js files.
 
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RE: The unofficial ahphosting status thread

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If any one who is a AHP Hosting customer that is facing these problems.
Please feel free to email me off list. FusionLink is happy to help provide
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-Original Message-
From: Terry Schmitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The unofficial ahphosting status thread

I've been totally dead since 4:30pm EST.
I just finished setting up new DNS servers and moved my email to a email
hosting company... 5 days without email was my limit.

I can't get into anything right now...

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RE: JRun maxing out?

[John Mason]

For CF76 use seeFusion or Fusion-Reactor.

http://www.fusion-reactor.com/
http://www.seefusion.com

Do not start playing around with the JVM settings until you find exactly
what the problem is. Most problems are code related and can be safely fixed
there. Only after looking at the code and the issue indepth, do you move up
to the JVM side of things. For example, if you have a memory leak happening.
Moving the JVM heap size up, will do absolutely nothing for you and can
actually make things worse.

Now that being said, if this machine has been running for a couple of years,
I'm suspecting your on CF7 with the default JVM that it came with? Adobe
last year asked people to upgrade that JVM to at least 1.4.2_11 because of
the DST changes. Naturally the newer JVM will speed CF7 a bit. Fix your
problem forst though before doing this. For information on how to properly
do this. Go to..

http://labs.fusionlink.com/katapult/index.cfm?page=articles/daylightsavings


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-Original Message-
From: Michael Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: JRun maxing out?

Every once in a while my server's CPUs go nuts. Normally they hang around
0%, 1%, 2%, 13%, 22%, 5%, 1%, etc. Then, maybe once a week or every few
days, they jump to like 85% and just stay there, bouncing between 80% and
95%. The box is pretty much unusable.  Just a couple of days ago I was
watching while it was in this state and suddenly it flattened at 100%.

I'm wondering if this is JRun maxing out? Do I have code somewhere that pegs
the server for ten minutes at a time, or could the server be moving large
files around (there is about 450GB of files on a 500GB drive, about 10% of
which is 1GB+ sized files).

The box was stable for over two years, and now it's doing this fairly
frequently.

Is there a tool I can install to see what's going on during these events?
Has anyone else experienced this kind of behaviour?

Mik




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RE: Apache and CF7

[John Mason]

learning PHP to increase my marketability

Just a thought here. When there are thousands of cheap PHP programmers
running around looking for projects. I would think your return on investment
in learning PHP is going to be very small.

Learning something that is growing and the demand is already outpacing the
number of  coders means you ROI would be far larger. May I suggest learning
Flex and AIR instead. You can get far more bang for your time with this.
Plus if you already know CF, this is all in the family so-to-speak.

On the Apache/PHP setup, unless you are learning to be a Sys admin. I would
just download a prepared VM appliance that already has everything setup for
you. No reason to lose more hair over this :)

Here's one called LAMP (Linux,Apache,MySQL,PHP)
http://virtualappliances.net/products/lamp.php

The wwwroot is open to Microsoft folder sharing. So you can simply run this
appliance and write the PHP files over the share directory.

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-Original Message-
From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Apache and CF7

After trying to redo my CF 7 set up with apache (because I also want to
start learning PHP to increase my marketability, I have this error.
==
The Apache service named  reported the following error:
  httpd.exe: Syntax error on line 485 of C:/Program Files/Apache Software
Foundation/Apache2.2/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load
C:/CFusionMX7/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/mod_jrun20.so into server: The
specified procedure could not be found.
==

I added this to the httpd.conf at the end and yes, I verified the file is
there.
==
# JRun Settings
LoadModule jrun_module c:/CFusionMX7/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/mod_jrun20.so
IfModule mod_jrun.c
   JRunConfig Verbose false
   JRunConfig Apialloc false
   JRunConfig Ssl false
   JRunConfig IgnoreSuffixmap false
   JRunConfig Serverstore
c:/CFusionMX7/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store
   JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51000
   #JRunConfig Errorurl optionally redirect to this URL on errors
   JRunConfig jrun-handler .jsp .jws .cfm .cfml .cfc .cfswf .cfr /IfModule
==

When I try to go to the page, I get a download box to download the cfm
file. Most likely because I couldn't get this active to reconize the cfm
file to process via the jrun server.

So my apache won't even start up now and I'm going bald.. Any ideas on what
could be causing the trouble and how to fix it?



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RE: Apache and CF7

[John Mason]

Well it should get you closer (more than half way there). Start with the VM
that has a stable version of Apache and PHP running then install CF on it.
Should be easier for you. Once you have everything running - make a copy of
the VM for safe keeping in case in the future things get messed up.

On the job stuff, the PHP world is just over populated in my neck of the
woods it may be different where you're at. With CF/Flex/AIR, the competition
is far less and I can pretty much name my price.

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-Original Message-
From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Apache and CF7

John Mason wrote:
 learning PHP to increase my marketability
 
 Just a thought here. When there are thousands of cheap PHP programmers 
 running around looking for projects. I would think your return on 
 investment in learning PHP is going to be very small.

Well, it seems that there are several PHP jobs out there and very few jobs
for straight CF developers (at least, those who haven't upgraded their
skillset with Flex and so on). I'd rather have a small pay job then nothing.

But I understand what you are saying. I'll check out Flex and start learning
that as well.

Still doesn't help me with CF not working on apache. :)



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RE: Paperthin's Commonspot

[John Mason]

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Paperthin's Commonspot

For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most
federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of
support issues).
--
 
Just because something is open source doesn't mean there isn't a company or
nonprofit group supporting it. Open source also doesn't mean free either.
For example, Flex is open source and yet Adobe fully supports it. Just to
make that clear, because many people confuse the open source world and the
aspects of it. FarCry is open source but you will see lots of companies like
Figleaf and others fully supporting it down to training,etc. Most federal
agencies need a reality check anyway, but that's another discussion
altogether. 

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RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

[John Mason]

the consensus seemed to be that a CF IDE needs to either be Eclipse based
(aligned well with Flex Builder and more) or Dreamweaver based (or possibly
both)

My vote is Eclipse. I never liked DW and used CFS from it's start but
quickly switched to CFEclipse when it came about. CFEclipse needs a design
view to help those people that like the WYSIWYG look and feel, but other
than that it's a great IDE.

Upgrading DW or CFS is simply crazy in light of Delphi. That has been a long
standing problem and Macromedia never wanted to address it. It's simply time
for these IDEs to die off. We are, as programmers, 'creatures of habit' but
change is a good thing. It's time to move on. There will also be diehards in
this, but I think Adobe needs to make a decision and clear this up once and
for all.

Eclipse has a broader range support base. With Flex/AIR using Eclipse it
makes for a nice standard IDE for all these Adobe technologies. I'm also
assuming Adobe has some very experience Eclipse guys now. Given the cool
features in FB3, I could only assume Adobe could make CFEclipse even better.
It would be great if it were free, but frankly I make money with CF
development so I would have no problem paying a fair price for an IDE
specially if it helps keep the server pricing down.

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RE: ColdFusion LMS Systems

[John Mason]

Echo11 has a SCORM LMS in ColdFusion. There url is echoeleven.com


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-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion LMS Systems

 Is anybody familiar with any SCORM Learning Management Systems (LMS) 
 that are built in ColdFusion?

I'm not familiar with any. I'd recommend that you take a look at Moodle
before building your own, though. It's not in CF, but it's free and
open-source:
http://www.moodle.org/

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CFEclipse with SVN also including CFCunit and Selenium testing

[John Mason]

For those of you trying to figure out how to set up this up. I just finished
up a step-by-step set of instructions on how to setup CFEclipse with
Subversion and also including continuous testing with CFCUnit and Selenium.
Enjoy!

http://labs.fusionlink.com/katapult/index.cfm?page=articles/cfeclipse 

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RE: Coldfusion 8 CMAIL and Bounce Backs

[John Mason]

Not certain what you mean by hard/soft bounces, but you can easily pull the
undeliverable mail from the undeliver folder within CF. You can also use the
failto option that cfmail provides.

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-Original Message-
From: Chad McCue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion 8 CMAIL and Bounce Backs

Does anyone know if there is a way to track Soft and Hard bounce backs
though cfmail using Cold Fusion 8? I am on a windows2003 machine and
currently using InFusion Mail Server (IMS) to send out our email broadcasts
and just found out that they do not support Cold Fusion 8 yet so the code
that I am currently using to track my Soft and Hard
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RE: CF 8 Enterprise Database Drivers

[John Mason]

cfset drivernames = macromedia.jdbc.oracle.OracleDriver,
macromedia.jdbc.db2.DB2Driver,  macromedia.jdbc.informix.InformixDriver,
macromedia.jdbc.sequelink.SequeLinkDriver,
macromedia.jdbc.sqlserver.SQLServerDriver,
macromedia.jdbc.sybase.SybaseDriver

cfset drivernames=Replace(drivernames, ,,ALL)
!--- replace all spaces ---

cfloop index=drivername list=#drivernames#
cfobject action=CREATE class=#drivername# name=driver type=JAVA
cfset args= ArrayNew(1) cfset driver.main(args)  cfoutput#drivername#
is #driver.getMajorVersion()#.#driver.getMinorVersion()#br/cfoutput
/cfloop 

This is from..
http://www.bpurcell.org/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=988

Is there a particular reason you want to play with the drivers?

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-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF 8 Enterprise Database Drivers

Is there a document or some method to find out exactly what drivers - make
and model number - come with ColdFusion 8 enterprise.  It would also be nice
to see a how to guide for the time one may have to get under the hood and
take wrenches and screwdrivers to monkey with these drivers.  My Googling
skills so far has only turned up an Adobe Knowledge base article dated to
the 5.0 era.

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RE: CF8 on-demand presentations TOOLS

[John Mason]

Adobe is working on it, one project is called CoCoMo. There was some presos
on it at MAX this year.

http://blogs.adobe.com/collabmethods/
 
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-Original Message-
From: Stephen Cassady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF8 on-demand presentations TOOLS

Hey everyone -
So I'm very excited about using the on-demand presentation system in CF8.
Now, all I need are the tools to do two things to create Awe Inspiring
Powerful Presentations that Rock the World:

1. Screen Activity Capture + Voice
2. Video capture (like from a Web Cam)

I have nothing of the sort at the moment, so can people suggest products for
both (most important) need number 1 and (I have yet to purchase a web cam)
need number 2. Please no bathroom jokes about me needing #1 and #2s

:-)

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RE: SOT: How do you version control with your CF code?

[John Mason]

I second the recommendation for SVN as a centralized versioning system but 
you shouldn't pay too much attention to all the people claiming it is hard 
to set up. It may be tedious when you do it for the first time, but not 
hard, you just have to follow the manual. 

But if for some reason you do find it hard or would like to cut through the
setup time for doing SVN, Trac, CruiseControl and any other tools you need
to setup. I would recommend looking at the Virtual Application Marketplace
at Vmware (http://www.vmware.com/appliances/) which has server images where
people have set all this up for you. You simply just download and run the
image locally.

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-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: How do you version control with your CF code?

J W wrote:
 I am looking to have better version control at our company and am 
 wonder how YOU deal with this. What is your setup?

Local development against a local CF and local resources. Full working copy
of a SVN repository. Code gets tagged in the repo and then a build server
will use an Ant script to pull in drivers, externals and configuration files
and generate several EAR files, both a compiled and a source version for
each CF version supported. Source versions go to the test environment and
when approved the compiled version goes to the staging environment where the
customer will approve it for final deployment.


I second the recommendation for SVN as a centralized versioning system but
you shouldn't pay too much attention to all the people claiming it is hard
to set up. It may be tedious when you do it for the first time, but not
hard, you just have to follow the manual. And be warned about all the blogs
and wiki's too: I'm sure their authors write them with the best intentions,
but few of them add something that is not in the manual, most of them are
outdated and none of them cover important issues such as the proper way to
secure and backup your repository. And don't even think about using that
one-click installer, version 1.2.3 is ancient and binary incompatible with
the current versions.

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RE: Logs growing at exponential rate...

[John Mason]

Yep, the logs should give you the insight necessary to fix the problem. Also
bare in mind, you can change the location that the log files write to. It's
right there in the cf admin. So if it's filling up a drive, simply point
them where there's enough storage to hold them.

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-Original Message-
From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:49 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Logs growing at exponential rate...

In the past week or so, a site on a dedicated server has gone down a number
of times with a not enough storage to complete this request 
error. IT in charge of the server has said that the CF log files have been
growing at an enormous rate - often several gigs in a day, and completely
filling the disk to the point of a crash.

I've not seen any of the files yet, but will be getting my hands on them
later today.

No settings have been changed in the CF Administator. (I take that back
- after this happened the first time, I reduced the max log file size by
1/2)

There have been no major coding changes to the site - with the exception of
a sweep though the site adding cfqueryparam to some older legacy queries -
but that was two weeks ago - before this started happening.

Without actually seeing any of the log files it's just a guess - but what
the heck could be some of the reasons for something like this to suddenly
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RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

[John Mason]

The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database?

I personally don't like the VPS options that several of the other hosting
companies are now offering as being even remotely reasonable. Here goes my
rant on VPS... 

At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that
economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18
months just to recoup the cost of CF? With server/bandwidth/resources
included over 2 years. Either the resources they give you would be seriously
limited and/or they have to be overloading the servers to make this
profitable. Putting way too many VPSs on one server. Several people here
have noted the bad performance from VPS.

One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically
terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a
good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you
really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same
access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal
with in relation to that. If they have firewalls protecting you from the
outside. Do they also have firewalls protecting you from other VPSs? If
their control panel can't handle most server setup functions then frankly it
should. Then ask yourself, if your  VPS does go down. Who has to do the
rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set
everything back up? There's a lot to consider when they offer you enough
rope to hang yourself with. 

I'm not going to sale you on FusionLink here. If you like, I can address you
on our options off list. I just want to point out VPS might not be as good
of a deal as it seems.

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RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

[John Mason]

Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security 
concerns of *your* VPS.

I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the
network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong.

 Then ask yourself, if your  VPS does go down. Who has to do the
 rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set
 everything back up?

And how hard is that?
Jochem

For you maybe not, I would think you have enough experience to be your own
sys admin, but others don't have the skills you have. That's the point.

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RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

[John Mason]

That's the critical question with this stuff. Where exactly is the line
drawn and who has responsibility for what? The line is this case is pretty
fuzzy unless you kick them completely off the VPS.

John
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-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS

Rick Faircloth wrote:
 
 Also, the VPS company reassured me that I wouldn't be responsible for 
 the basic maintenance of either Win 2003 Server or CF 8, since those 
 are what come with the package.

But how about the advanced maintenance? And how about your advanced
maintenance conflicting with their basic maintenance? The first thing I do
when I get administrative privileges on a VPS is kicking the hoster out ...

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RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

[John Mason]

Naturally you wouldn't have access to another isolated box but no impact?
None? That's amazing.

So I could have a VPS box inside (for example, TJ Maxx's network) and the
theory is there would be no impact or security concerns for either party?
Maybe I'm missing something your saying here, but that doesn't seem right.

John
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

  Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security 
  concerns of *your* VPS.
 
 I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How 
 the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly 
 wrong.

Jochem wrote that there's no impact with regard to security, and he's
clearly right by any meaningful measurement. Having administrative access to
one isolated server doesn't gain you any access to a separate isolated
server, whether the two servers are physical or virtual.

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RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

[John Mason]

Not necessarily, but you have to ask yourself if you have the knowledge and
experience to properly 'isolate' your VPS for now and in the future. Which
I'm not seeing people do. They look at VPS as a deal and leave the decision
to that. Then also if you are doing this for a client of yours. Do they
understand the responsibilities for the developer and hoster? If the VPS has
issues, who do they call? When the developer leaves the picture, who assumes
responsibility? There's a lot to consider. The main point is that each
choice does indeed have an impact and issues that need to be laid out
clearly.

John Mason
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security 
concerns of *your* VPS.
  
   I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. 
   How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is 
   clearly wrong.
 
  Jochem wrote that there's no impact with regard to security, and 
  he's clearly right by any meaningful measurement. Having 
  administrative access to one isolated server doesn't gain you any 
  access to a separate isolated server, whether the two servers are 
  physical or virtual.
 
 Naturally you wouldn't have access to another isolated box but no 
 impact? None? That's amazing.

Yes, you're missing something. We're talking about two isolated servers on a
network assumed to be hostile. My having administrative rights on the first
server has nothing to do with the security of the second server.

 So I could have a VPS box inside (for example, TJ Maxx's
 network) and the theory is there would be no impact or security 
 concerns for either party? Maybe I'm missing something your saying 
 here, but that doesn't seem right.

That's a bad analogy. If TJ Maxx provided a hosting service, and we were
both customers, their granting me administrative access on my server would
have no effect on the security of your server.

You are aware that hosting companies provide administrative access to
dedicated servers all the time, right? In your opinion, is this a bad thing?

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RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

[John Mason]

Actually no, there way too many assumptions being made to make that
statement. I thought I made that fairly clear. 

John
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-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

 Not necessarily, but you have to ask yourself if you have the 
 knowledge and experience to properly 'isolate' your VPS for now and in 
 the future.

All of which is completely irrelevant to the original statement about
security made by Jochem.

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RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

[John Mason]

No problem, it's late..

There wouldn't be a difference in those two if you provide both with TS
access. 

I think we're in agreement more than not here. It may be a finer point on
the TS access, where I think giving people TS access when they don't really
need it. They may also not fully understand the responsibilities they are
accepting when they do. I didn't like the original statement because it seem
too far reaching. Though I do think you should think of any network to be
hostile, regardless of the situation. More access points with the full range
of services that TS provides than less would naturally, in my mind, mean a
more hostile network than not. For example, hosting your VPS at TJ Maxx
would be in a less secure environment than at NSA. But you should always
assume that you're in the weaker of the two.

John
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: 23 Sep 07 21:32
Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS

  Actually no, there way too many assumptions being made to make that 
  statement. I thought I made that fairly clear.

 No, you haven't. Your assertion alone is insufficient.

Rereading my response, I realize it may have been  a bit terse. But again,
how is this any different from dedicated hosting?

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RE: CF Scheduler Help

[John Mason]

Or you can simply load in those SSL certs that you need into the jvm cacerts
file so they will be trusted. Of course, you will need to update this when
those certs get renewed. The internal method Dave is speaking of is probably
for less of a hassle. 

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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Scheduler Help

 I need help getting the scheduler to work.  I work for the government 
 and our machines require PKI certificates.  Our sites require SSL.  We 
 are running CF 7.
 
 I thought the problem was the certs.  It appears that they are not the 
 problem, but SSL is. How do I get the scheduler to work with SSL?  If 
 I turn SSL off (temporarily), the scheduler works fine.

I recommend that, instead of using SSL where it's not needed, you set up a
local virtual web server that only accepts requests from localhost and does
not require SSL. SSL involves unnecessary overhead in this case.

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RE: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

[John Mason]

You need to use seefusion or fusionreactor to see what exactly is happening.
Sounds like a hung cf page that is filling up your available CF threads. 

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From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

On one of our remote clients I am having a W2k3 Server hang on me. It can
happen once every couple days or every 10 min.

Their system. W2k3, IIS6, Coldfusion MX 7 (Standard) with whatever version
of JRUN the intsaller installs. Stock CF settings. Memory usage is fine.
nothing that seems out of the ordinary.

The webserver will hang and once reset (cf services) goes back to normal and
runs fine...

Looking at the coldfusion-err.log, I am getting a crapload of these couple
errors:
--
java.lang.RuntimeException: Request timed out waiting for an available
thread to run. You may want to consider increasing the number of active
threads in the thread pool.
at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$Throttle.enter(ThreadPool.java:115)
at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(
ThreadPool.java:423)
at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(
ThreadPool.java:264)
at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)
---
java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: socket write error

Anyone with any ideas I am completely stumped.

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RE: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

[John Mason]

Sounds like those slow threads stack up at the wrong time for you. The first
step   here is to see if the CF coding can be fixed or sped up. Jumping into
the JVM settings at this point isn't going to solve the core issue. As more
traffic hits the box, this problem would only reappear. You need to work
this bottleneck from the top down. From the CF code down to the final point
which is JVM tuning.

What exactly are those slow threads doing? FTP? Webservice calls?

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-Original Message-
From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

I can't tell exactly what happened at the time of last crash to coincide
since the trial of SeeFusion I downloaded had a 2hr time limit on it..
However I just installed fusion reactor trial on the system

On this server

8 Max simultaneous requests
100mb max post data

JVM Arguments

512 Max Heap size (MB)
-server -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false -XX:MaxPermSize=128m -
Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/../ -
Dcoldfusion.libPath={application.home}/../lib -Xdebug
-Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,server=y,address=28999,suspend=n

On the fusion reactor side:

I have a butload of slow request, but none are stuck. Alot of the slow
requests are waiting for communication with various 3rd party interfaces to
complete, so the templates can take a long time to generate. Slow requests
range from 4,000 to 35000ms. most are in the 4-5k range.

In the first 20 minutes of uptime here.

I have not gone above 8 simultanious requests, mostly 3-5.
Recent slow pages was up to 5.
Average Request time various between 1100 and 2800ms Currently using 25mb of
the heap. 4% memory for now.

23 minutes of uptime 1300 requests..

Where can we go from here?



On 9/17/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What was the memory heap size?  In other words, was it 70% of 150 
 Megs, or 70% of 1,500 megs?

 In ColdFusion administrator, what is the maximum number of 
 simultaneous requests set to?  (default is 15 to 20 I think).

 How many requests were running at the time the error was encountered?

 ~Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

 I had Seefusion running. NOTHING looked out of the ordinary. I had 
 some slow processes, but that expected for some of the third party 
 calls that I have to do on those. Memory was like 70=80%,  Is there 
 anything specific I should be looking for using either SeeFusion or 
 Fusion reactor?


 On 9/17/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I agree with using SeeFusion or Fusion Rector to see what is going on.
 
  In the mean time, cfstat can at least show you if you are getting
 backup
  up requests.
 
  ~Brad
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:30 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!
 
  You need to use seefusion or fusionreactor to see what exactly is 
  happening.
  Sounds like a hung cf page that is filling up your available CF
 threads.
 
 
 



 



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RE: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

[John Mason]

If it's an old tag then I would suspect there would be some ways to do
this more quickly going directly through java. Before switching your tag,
you might want to double check and see if the tag is slow or more simply the
response back is slow (making your tag wait). If you are having to wait each
time for the response, then you are kind of stuck. You can increase the
thread limit and also (if you can upgrade to CF8) look at off loading this
to a cfthread.

The delay response could also be a networking issue. Check to see if you
having any looping switches or other bad routing messing things up.

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-Original Message-
From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

TCP socket connections to a middleware server that speaks to a database. I
make a socket request, it sends me back data. The requests take forever, but
it is the only way we can communicate. I use Jsocket a REALLY old tag for
coldfusion to accomplish this. Is there a CFHTTP equivilent for TCP or some
newer tag that may work better? Coding is solid to do this, its the tag and
the communication that is slow.
Jeff


On 9/17/07, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sounds like those slow threads stack up at the wrong time for you. The 
 first
 step   here is to see if the CF coding can be fixed or sped up. Jumping
 into
 the JVM settings at this point isn't going to solve the core issue. As 
 more traffic hits the box, this problem would only reappear. You need 
 to work this bottleneck from the top down. From the CF code down to 
 the final point which is JVM tuning.

 What exactly are those slow threads doing? FTP? Webservice calls?

 John Mason
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 770.337.8363

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 -Original Message-
 From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:25 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!

 I can't tell exactly what happened at the time of last crash to 
 coincide since the trial of SeeFusion I downloaded had a 2hr time limit on
it..
 However I just installed fusion reactor trial on the system

 On this server

 8 Max simultaneous requests
 100mb max post data

 JVM Arguments

 512 Max Heap size (MB)
 -server -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false -XX:MaxPermSize=128m - 
 Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/../ - 
 Dcoldfusion.libPath={application.home}/../lib -Xdebug 
 -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,server=y,address=28999,suspend=n

 On the fusion reactor side:

 I have a butload of slow request, but none are stuck. Alot of the slow 
 requests are waiting for communication with various 3rd party 
 interfaces to complete, so the templates can take a long time to 
 generate. Slow requests range from 4,000 to 35000ms. most are in the 
 4-5k range.

 In the first 20 minutes of uptime here.

 I have not gone above 8 simultanious requests, mostly 3-5.
 Recent slow pages was up to 5.
 Average Request time various between 1100 and 2800ms Currently using 
 25mb of the heap. 4% memory for now.

 23 minutes of uptime 1300 requests..

 Where can we go from here?



 On 9/17/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What was the memory heap size?  In other words, was it 70% of 150 
  Megs, or 70% of 1,500 megs?
 
  In ColdFusion administrator, what is the maximum number of 
  simultaneous requests set to?  (default is 15 to 20 I think).
 
  How many requests were running at the time the error was encountered?
 
  ~Brad
 
  -Original Message-
  From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:37 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!
 
  I had Seefusion running. NOTHING looked out of the ordinary. I had 
  some slow processes, but that expected for some of the third party 
  calls that I have to do on those. Memory was like 70=80%,  Is there 
  anything specific I should be looking for using either SeeFusion or 
  Fusion reactor?
 
 
  On 9/17/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I agree with using SeeFusion or Fusion Rector to see what is going on.
  
   In the mean time, cfstat can at least show you if you are getting
  backup
   up requests.
  
   ~Brad
  
   -Original Message-
   From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:30 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: Server hanging. Wierd problems. HELP!
  
   You need to use seefusion or fusionreactor to see what exactly is 
   happening.
   Sounds like a hung cf page that is filling up your available CF
  threads.
  
  
  
 
 
 
 



 



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RE: Very basic question about cfmail

[John Mason]

I'm assuming you don't really want out strip the html but simply have it
evaluate on the emails. cfmail has an attribute called type, so you
should only need to do cfmail.. Type=HTML.. 

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From: NUGROHO NOTO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Very basic question about cfmail

I am sorry if this is the wrong place to post very basic question like this.


my script is like this
CFMAIL QUERY=mailinglist 
TO=#email# 
FROM=#webmaster# 
SUBJECT=#subject#
CFMAILPARAM NAME=MIME-Version VALUE=1.0 CFMAILPARAM
NAME=Content-Type VALUE=text/plain; charset=utf-8 #content#
/CFMAIL

The content of the email is written in database (in html format) because it
is used for other purpose, viewed online by customers who want to read it
online on our website) but when I send email .. and the content is outputing
the query of those content.
the emails I got... is like this. 
p/pThis is a sample emailbrbrbrcontent of the messagebrbryou
receive this emailbr

So... cfmail send the content of the query (including all the HTML code)
How can I send email using cfmail... but stripping all the html code but
still retain the basic formating (carriage return etc)

Thanks for reading this basic question... 



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RE: Newbie guide to installing / configuring CF on Unix

[John Mason]

It's not much better on Windows. We always modify that directly. But before
touching it, be sure to copy a backup (no seriously, save a backup!) :)


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-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Newbie guide to installing / configuring CF on Unix

CRITICAL!! Once installed, DO NOT use the CF Administrator to edit your JVM
settings.  The CF Admin tool for editing JVM settings always corrupts the
jvm.config file on Linux.




  We have about 5 cf servers running on the same box but one of them
 is
  not well. When I start It I get loads of errors (no web server 
  configured to service your request).
 
 5 different installs ? JRun multi-server ?
 
  How do I do this? I assume it's a bit more complicated than running 
  the connector software.
 
 Assume the front end web server is Apache, open up the config file and 
 locate the JRun settings for an existing site, and use them to connect 
 up the new one.
 
  Do I have to run the coldfusion installer (I have no idea if that's 
  even on the server) or do I run a file that's there already.
 
 If you want to re-install a stand alone server, yes.
 Free download from Adobe.com, because you have the license code 
 already, right ?
 
  Are there any really simple tutorials for this sort of thing? I've
 not
  got much experience at all with unix so am feeling a bit lost!
 
 There's a LAMP-type guide for getting started with CF and Apache on 
 Windows, but I've not got it book marked.
 A google should turn it up, and the Linux process is almost exactly 
 the same.
 
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RE: Coldfusion 8 hosting

[John Mason]

FusionLink has ColdFusion 8 Enterprise level hosting. 

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-Original Message-
From: Ali Majdzadeh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion 8 hosting

Hi:
Is there any reliable Coldfusion 8 hosting server right now?
I found by googling the following company but never heard of them before.
http://www.bmchosting.com/features.cfm
Do you know any good hosting with reasonable price which supports all cool
CF8 features?
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CF 8 truncating floats?

[John Mason]

Just to pass this along to see if we're not the only ones seeing this issue.

If someone can confirm this, I'll pass it on to Adobe.

It appears that CF 8 is truncating floats from Sql Server 2000. 

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-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is cfqueryparam worth it?

 There are reasons not to use it. They come with perils. If the data 
 being sent to the query does not come from the outside then the only 
 risk to SQL injection comes from the developers working on the query, 
 and they have other ways to cause havoc without having to write SQL 
 injection attacks.

True enoughbut then you need to use one of those stripped down queries
where the public could mess with thingswhy not just use it and forget
about it?? 
;-)


 When you use cfqueryparam the statement that gets compiled uses 
 sp_prepexec. This causes MSSql server to generate the query execution 
 plan for the query before actually executing the query. This can 
 actually end up causing the server to run the query 2x. If you have a 
 very long running query for a report for example that queries millions 
 of records of data against millions of other records of data etc. and 
 takes several minutes or hours to execute you do not want that to 
 happen 2x every call. In theory when sp_prepexec generates the 
 execution plan that is cached and not needed to be created again 
 however on high volume / traffic sql servers it is not possible to 
 cache every execution plan forever. Often long running queries that 
 are executed rarely fall out of the execution plan cache. This can 
 create a huge performance problem for a sql server.

Well that's a pretty specific situation...and one that should be a stroed
proc IMHO


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CF 8 truncating floats?

[John Mason]

Just to pass this along to see if we're not the only ones seeing this issue.

If someone can confirm this, I'll pass it on to Adobe.

It appears that CF 8 is truncating floats from Sql Server 2000. 

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-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is cfqueryparam worth it?

 There are reasons not to use it. They come with perils. If the data 
 being sent to the query does not come from the outside then the only 
 risk to SQL injection comes from the developers working on the query, 
 and they have other ways to cause havoc without having to write SQL 
 injection attacks.

True enoughbut then you need to use one of those stripped down queries
where the public could mess with thingswhy not just use it and forget
about it?? 
;-)


 When you use cfqueryparam the statement that gets compiled uses 
 sp_prepexec. This causes MSSql server to generate the query execution 
 plan for the query before actually executing the query. This can 
 actually end up causing the server to run the query 2x. If you have a 
 very long running query for a report for example that queries millions 
 of records of data against millions of other records of data etc. and 
 takes several minutes or hours to execute you do not want that to 
 happen 2x every call. In theory when sp_prepexec generates the 
 execution plan that is cached and not needed to be created again 
 however on high volume / traffic sql servers it is not possible to 
 cache every execution plan forever. Often long running queries that 
 are executed rarely fall out of the execution plan cache. This can 
 create a huge performance problem for a sql server.

Well that's a pretty specific situation...and one that should be a stroed
proc IMHO


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RE: I'm Old - ColdFusion 4.x

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Where are you located Mark? 


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-Original Message-
From: Mark Sorteberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: I'm Old - ColdFusion 4.x

I haven't been around the ColdFusion world since 4.x.  I have a good job
lead that requires that I get back into ColdFusion.  I am having a very
difficult time doing two things.  1. Finding a good training center. (I
called Adobe and they couldn't help and the training center(s) on their
website do not return calls and they have no email address to send questions
to.  2. Is there an online tutorial website that I can use to get
reaquainted with CF over the weekend.  I obviously do not have the CF
product at home or where I currently work.  I have an interview on Monday
and I'd like to play with CF as much as I can over the next few days.  Any
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RE: coldfusion 8 and memory

[John Mason]

It's probably more correct to say the jvm heap and permanent space has to be
under 2GB for a 32-bit arch. So if for some reason you had a small permanent
space, the heap could be slightly bigger than 1.8GB. But that's a finer
point than most people need to have. CF needs at least 128 for the permanent
space, so the 1.8 limit for the heap. 64-bit doesn't fall under this memory
limitation, but to run CF on 64-bit it would have to be CF8 on Solaris since
that's all that is supported currently.

If you are running high on your heap sizes, you may need to switch out your
GC engine to one that can handle the heavier load. Here's an article on
this...

http://labs.fusionlink.com/katapult/index.cfm?page=articles/jvmtuning

Also, take a closer look at your code to see if you can trim stuff there.
Whenever optimizing the server check your CF code first to see if anything
is taking up a larger than normal memory block. For example, doing a simple
select * on a table query could easily mess with you.

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-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: coldfusion 8 and memory

On 32-bit processor machines, the largest contiguous memory address space
the operating system can allocate to a process is 1.8GB. Because of this,
the maximum heap size can only be set up to 1.8GB. On 64-bit processor
machines, the 1.8 GB limit does not apply, as 64-bit processor machines have
a larger memory address space.

On 8/7/07, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ok :)

 (holding back smart ass remark)

 any idea on the limit for the windows jvm?

 tony

 thanks!

 On 8/7/07, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The memory limitation is in the Windows JVM, not CF.
 
  On 8/7/07, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   hi there.
  
   back in the days of cfmx 7.x 1.5gb was the max amt of ram you 
   could specify on a windows server to allocate to coldfusion.
  
   has that changed with cf8?
  
   thanks!
   tony
  
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   thirty seconds flat, if you spot the heat coming around the corner'
  
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RE: running jrockit with CFusionMX7 to find memory leak

[John Mason]

No reason to completely switch out the JVM for this..

Sun has free tools to help find memory leaks with their jvm's

Check..
http://java.sun.com/performance/jvmstat/

You can also use Seefusion or Fusion-reactor which pulls a lot of the same
info but more in the light of CF.

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-Original Message-
From: Jason Fill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: running jrockit with CFusionMX7 to find memory leak

This is not relating to jrockit, but do you happen to be running
FusionReactor?  There was a bug in v2 of FR that, in some instances, caused
the ODBC Wrapper to make memory climb.  This has been fixed in their 2.04
release - and works great I might add.  Just thought I would though that out
there in case you are running FR with the ODBC wrapper.

 I have been having a terrible time trying to get jrockit running with 
 coldfusion.  I have coldfusion MX 7 running and installed jrockit 
 (jrockit-R27.3.1-jdk1.5.0_11).
 
 The reason I am trying to run jrockit is to use their memory leak 
 tools to find a memory leak on my server.  It crashes nearly daily 
 because it runs out of memory.
 
 I have tried following the information on this page but it has not
 worked:
 http://www.schierberl.com/cfblog/index.
 cfm/2006/10/12/ColdFusion_memoryLeak_profiler
 
 So far I have made these changes to the jvm.config file:l 
 java.home=C:/Program Files/Java/jrockit-R27.3.1-jdk1.5.0_11/jre
 
 Also, I added the following at the end of the java.args:
 -Xmanagement
 
 According to the post, I should add this to the java.args but doing so 
 prevents cold fusion server from starting:
 -Xmanagement -Djrockit.managementserver.port=9010
 
 
 Okay, so by just using the '-Xmanagement' cold fusion starts and I am 
 able to run jrockit.  Once in jrockit, under the 'connectors' it shows 
 localhost:80 however I am unable to start the memory leak or do 
 anything else with that (timeout failures).  Under 'discovered' within 
 'local' it shows com.jrockit.mc.rcp.start.MCMain.  I am able to start 
 memory leak on that connection, but I believe it isn't the correct 
 connection.
 
 It seems as if there is some disconnect between my localhost and the 
 jrockit.  Any advise or directions would be greatly appreciated.




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RE: coldfusion 8 and memory

[John Mason]

Naturally this depends on the OS/Arch hence the reason I mention that.

Adobe must be doing something very particular with their JVM setup Sean. For
example running a 32-bit JVM on a 64-bit Solaris. I would certainly like to
know if that's what they are doing and to know how stable that is.

A straight quote from Sun on this...

On most modern 32-bit Windows systems the maximum heap size will range from
1.4G to 1.6G. On 32-bit Solaris kernels the address space is limited to 2G.
On 64-bit operating systems running the 32-bit VM, the max heap size can be
higher, approaching 4G on many Solaris systems. 


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-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: coldfusion 8 and memory

On 8/7/07, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 limitation, but to run CF on 64-bit it would have to be CF8 on Solaris 
 since that's all that is supported currently.

macromedia.com / adobe.com has been running ColdFusion with heap sizes
 2Gb on Solaris for years - this is not about 32-bit vs 64-bit but
rather how the O/S  chipset address memory. 32-bit non-Windows systems are
perfectly capable of addressing 4Gb and therefore can run CF with a heap in
the 3Gb range.

Now there's a question as to whether you really want to use such a large
heap: it means longer GC cycles and lumpier performance. In many ways,
you're better off with the smallest heap that can handle your peak load
since that will give you much better GC performance...
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RE: SQL injection hack?

[John Mason]

You'll also see these automated scripts hitting other services like ftp,
email, etc. You need to make certain that all services are properly
protected and monitor. 

Cfqueryparam and stored procedures are good first steps, but bare in mind a
lot of information could still be disclosed even with these in place.

Here's my top 10 list of things to look at...

-Use cfqueryparam and stored procs

-Limit the other services on a site. If the site isn't using ASP, then turn
it off. Reduce the http verbs for CF to just GET,HEAD,POST

-Turn off RDS services

-If your site has a login page, limit the login to 3-5 attempts and block
after that. Send an alert that someone may be running a brute force attack
on your login.

-Have a restricted login for your datasource calls. In most cases, the web
site doesn't need full dbo permissions to a datasource. You can also limit
the sql commands in the cfadmin under the datasource listing.

-If using cfc's, take a closer look at the access and roles attributes. Most
cfc's I see have public access and that's it. There's far more you can do.

-Check for cross-site scripting attacks and use the various ways to prevent
them. No checking the cross-site toggle on the cfadmin or application is not
going to do the trick.

- Always have error catches in place and turn debugging off. Half the reason
for the attack is to see the debugging information.

- Turn off outside access to your CF Admin. Why give an automated script to
chance to break into that? 

-And finally monitor your logs (including the other services like ftp) and
site errors, that will help alert you to an attack.

If you did all these things, you're still not done. Security is an on going
process. New threats come up all the time. The point is to stay on top of
this and continuously improve the security of our web app but also keep the
usability that allows it to work.

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-Original Message-
From: Paul Vernon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL injection hack?

We've been seeing the exact same thing, basic SQL injection attacks all
originating from China... It looks automated as they've spidered several
sites we host using the exact same technique and SQL phrase. It has been
going on continuously for about a week now. Thankfully the sites are
pro-actively monitored from an error management POV so we've been aware of
the attacks from the get go.

I agree. Using CFCs, having a common code base, employing type checking on
functions and using CFQUERYPARAM all make life a little bit easier in coping
with these things...

In CF 8 it's worth noting that the type checking can be turned off for
performance gains. I guess this is a trade off... What you gain in
performance, you lose in data validation. It's a shame this feature is a
global setting and not one that could be specified on a function by function
basis as I'd like to keep type checking on for my DB objects and turn it off
where I feel it's not necessary.

Paul

 -Original Message-
 From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 06 August 2007 16:25
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: SQL injection hack?
 
 Just an FYI to everyone else i've been at my current post for 3 years 
 and we've had pro-active error monitoring (versus re reactive hey my 
 site doesn't work) now for close to 2 years.
 
 Just in the recent weeks we started seeing basic SQL injection hacks 
 on site we host. We never saw anything like this till recently, so be 
 on your toes.
 
 Like others have mentioned using CFQueryParam and Stored Procedures 
 can help. Also putting the stuff into CFC's and forcing incoming vars 
 to be typed help as well. (with everything except string of course).
 
 If you are looking for preventive stuff on top of those already 
 mentioned you can look into the CF Firewalls which are starting to 
 spring up. As well as there are those who have made some really cool 
 stuff to help watch for this. I think Shawn Gorrell has some code (he 
 mentioned it at a recent ACFUG meeting) you might reach out to him, 
 http://www.illumineti.com/blog/, if he doesn't notice this thread.
 
 jonese
 
 
 
 On 8/6/07, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Looks that way.
 
  Rey
 
  Rick King wrote:
   Hey all,
  
   I just received this email that is generated when there is an 
   error
 on a site I built (www.woreitonce.com)
  
---E-MAIL
   Invalid data 1 and 1=convert(int,(select top 1
 char(97)+admin_password from tbl_adminusers)) for CFSQLTYPE 
 CF_SQL_INTEGER.  brThe error occurred on line 30.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6)
 Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6
81.10.46.130
  
/Details.cfm
  
 ProdID=1%20and%201=convert(int,(select%20top%201%20char(97)%2badmin_pa
 s
 sword%20from

RE: SQL injection hack?

[John Mason]

No problem, bare in mind that isn't going over the other server security or
data transfer items. That list is focused in on those automated scripting
attacks. There's a ton of over things to consider. The most obvious are
sandboxing, firewalls and SSLs. But for the programming side of things, this
gets the ball rolling..


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-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL injection hack?

Thanks John...this is a great checklist. 

-Original Message-
From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL injection hack?

You'll also see these automated scripts hitting other services like ftp,
email, etc. You need to make certain that all services are properly
protected and monitor. 

Cfqueryparam and stored procedures are good first steps, but bare in mind a
lot of information could still be disclosed even with these in place.

Here's my top 10 list of things to look at...

-Use cfqueryparam and stored procs

-Limit the other services on a site. If the site isn't using ASP, then turn
it off. Reduce the http verbs for CF to just GET,HEAD,POST

-Turn off RDS services

-If your site has a login page, limit the login to 3-5 attempts and block
after that. Send an alert that someone may be running a brute force attack
on your login.

-Have a restricted login for your datasource calls. In most cases, the web
site doesn't need full dbo permissions to a datasource. You can also limit
the sql commands in the cfadmin under the datasource listing.

-If using cfc's, take a closer look at the access and roles attributes. Most
cfc's I see have public access and that's it. There's far more you can do.

-Check for cross-site scripting attacks and use the various ways to prevent
them. No checking the cross-site toggle on the cfadmin or application is not
going to do the trick.

- Always have error catches in place and turn debugging off. Half the reason
for the attack is to see the debugging information.

- Turn off outside access to your CF Admin. Why give an automated script to
chance to break into that? 

-And finally monitor your logs (including the other services like ftp) and
site errors, that will help alert you to an attack.

If you did all these things, you're still not done. Security is an on going
process. New threats come up all the time. The point is to stay on top of
this and continuously improve the security of our web app but also keep the
usability that allows it to work.

John Mason
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770.337.8363
 
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Vernon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL injection hack?

We've been seeing the exact same thing, basic SQL injection attacks all
originating from China... It looks automated as they've spidered several
sites we host using the exact same technique and SQL phrase. It has been
going on continuously for about a week now. Thankfully the sites are
pro-actively monitored from an error management POV so we've been aware of
the attacks from the get go.

I agree. Using CFCs, having a common code base, employing type checking on
functions and using CFQUERYPARAM all make life a little bit easier in coping
with these things...

In CF 8 it's worth noting that the type checking can be turned off for
performance gains. I guess this is a trade off... What you gain in
performance, you lose in data validation. It's a shame this feature is a
global setting and not one that could be specified on a function by function
basis as I'd like to keep type checking on for my DB objects and turn it off
where I feel it's not necessary.

Paul

 -Original Message-
 From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 06 August 2007 16:25
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: SQL injection hack?
 
 Just an FYI to everyone else i've been at my current post for 3 years 
 and we've had pro-active error monitoring (versus re reactive hey my 
 site doesn't work) now for close to 2 years.
 
 Just in the recent weeks we started seeing basic SQL injection hacks 
 on site we host. We never saw anything like this till recently, so be 
 on your toes.
 
 Like others have mentioned using CFQueryParam and Stored Procedures 
 can help. Also putting the stuff into CFC's and forcing incoming vars 
 to be typed help as well. (with everything except string of course).
 
 If you are looking for preventive stuff on top of those already 
 mentioned you can look into the CF Firewalls which are starting to 
 spring up. As well as there are those who have made some really cool 
 stuff to help watch for this. I think Shawn Gorrell has

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

One of the points here was that other software has more of a price spread
than Adobe CF currently. Don't get too focused in on the numbers. The other
point was that enterprise level software is expensive. Surprise! Sure
there's J2EE stuff that as expensive if not more, I stand corrected there.
But Microsoft, Oracle (to some point) and others have layers of product
versions to cover the purchasing power our their customers. 

To use a car analogy. Not everyone can afford an Aston-Martin DB5 but they
don't want a used 70's VW bug either. There's a range that all the car
companies cover with slightly different lines. The same is true for
software. It's actually good, it means there's a big enough market for CF to
have a real price spread of more than 2 versions. If Adobe ran a simple
pricing analysis, I bet with a new 'business version' they would end up
making more money than having just Standard/Enterprise versions.


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-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

We just purchased SQL Server licenses and it's only the actual processor
that counts.  You could have a quad core and it would only be one license.

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

 
 Dale, I did a quick search for software pricing to put the CF8 pricing 
 in some perspective..
 
 Windows 2003 Enterprise   3,443
 Windows 2003 Standard 958
 
 Oracle 10g Enterprise 40,000
 Oracle 10g Standard   4,995
 
 Sql Server Enterprise 13,699
 Sql Server Standard   1,754
 
 JBoss Enterprise  4,500
 

I'm not sure if this pricing is an accurate representation.  Sure SQL server
standard is around $1800 with 5 CALs, but if you want to use it for a web
app, you will need a per processor license.  Let's say you have a standard
dual core 2 duo box.  That's 4 virtual processors.  If I'm reading the
licensing terms correctly, you would need 4 processor licenses (assuming you
want to utilize all 4 processors).  

This comes out to $5999 per processor x 4 processors, $23996 for the
standard version, $24,999 per processor x 4 processors, $95984 for the
enterprise version.  Of course if you're buying the enterprise version,
you're probably doing it for failover or some sort of clustering, in which
case you will likely have 2 servers, so it will be close to $200k for the
enterprise version.  

Of course there's the express version, which does most of what you would
need as long as you don't need more then 1 cpu, 1GB of ram and 4GB of db
size.  

I think MS did a good move by releasing the express version.  This might
hurt sales, as a lot of people would be happy with just the express version,
but once people start outgrowing it, they will have no choice but to plunk
down $6k per CPU for the standard edition.  

Mind you that CF only charges per physical processor and the enterprise
license covers 2 physical CPUs (last time I checked).  This means you can
have 2 quad-core or higher CPUs and you're good as far as CF is concenrned.
You can also have unlimited virtual machines on the 2 physical CPUs, and run
a copy of standard edition in each of them, and you're still good as far as
licensing is concerned.  

Russ








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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

Ok, my forth attempt to post this. Jeez, the list server was down for two
attempts and then I got 2 bounces saying my message is over 100 lines.
Hopefully this one will get through. This is in reply to Charles talking
about needing CF Ent for the Oracle connectivity.

You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.

This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
-Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation -Put that jar into
your WEB-INF\lib -In coldfusion, create a new datasource and choose other
as the driver
-JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
-Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver

Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.

This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
-Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation 
-Put that jar into your WEB-INF\lib -In coldfusion, create a new datasource
and choose other as the driver
-JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
-Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver

Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)

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-Original Message-
From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example,
Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I
need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an
enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said
we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers,
and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come
out. You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing
with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and
create great web content.

Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.

- Charles




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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

Dale, I did a quick search for software pricing to put the CF8 pricing in
some perspective..

Windows 2003 Enterprise 3,443
Windows 2003 Standard   958

Oracle 10g Enterprise   40,000
Oracle 10g Standard 4,995

Sql Server Enterprise   13,699
Sql Server Standard 1,754

JBoss Enterprise4,500

Now as far as software goes, CF8 is reasonably priced. If you look at just
J2ee servers or Web app servers, yea CF8 Ent is very high. Yes, this will
hurt their sales. It's simply a point for you to determine if the features
are worth it for you or not. I'm sure BlueDragon and the others will
incorporate a lot of those same features down the road just like Adobe
adopted cfthread from BlueDragon. So no biggie, wait 6 months..

Another point for the Adobe people, I remember when the standard/enterprise
started and there was a lot complaining back then. With the price gap
getting wider, maybe it's time for a third version, let's call it a
Business version. That provides some of the least costly new features and
provides a bridge (or stepping stone) from standard to enterprise. I think
that would solve a lot of issues with this and take almost nothing for Adobe
to do.

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Trust me, I really don't want to jump ship but when people keep whispering
PHP/ASP etc. to management, and the product cost is, well free. It makes it
a really hard sell. We have also had,in the past a really hard time finding
good quality CF   developers.
--

Others have mention this already but PHP and ASP are only free if you don't
value your time and you prefer to write larger amounts of code. Granted,
it's hard to sale this to management sometimes with the prices printed right
there, but you could do a simple code off. Do a set of code in ASP, PHP and
ColdFusion that simply calls a datasource and outputs the data. This is a
very basic operation that we all do and it doesn't take much to appreciate
the simplicity of CF in this example. Now magnify that difference over
weeks, months or years. The time alone you're saving should easy balance out
the price.

Now finding experienced CF developers, yes, the field is tight. Here in
Atlanta they work for the companies like UPS, Alltel, Federal Reserve, etc.
Hardly a dying language, but yes experienced Cfers are expensive and in
short supply. Good news for all of us :)

But frankly I think that people forget how quickly they themselves probably
learned CF. Don't go around looking for a CF guy, just pull some CIS/CS
majors straight out of college. Most of them now have basic Java/OO/XML
experience. They probably haven't heard of CF and wouldn't know to look for
a job in that area, but learning CF with this background takes very little
time at all. Plus you'll get them on the cheap :)

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.

This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
-Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation
-Put that jar into your WEB-INF\lib
-In coldfusion, create a new datasource and choose other as the driver
-JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
-Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver

Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)


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-Original Message-
From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example,
Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I
need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an
enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said
we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers,
and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come
out. You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing
with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and
create great web content.

Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.

- Charles


On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, wow finally a
product that I would really label Enterprise. Not to say CF7 wasn't
Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think
the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really
enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements,
exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh),
and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer
for large Java apps.

You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you
unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say
probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality
Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a
dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card
running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running
Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have
enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to
expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at
some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say
that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will
open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo!

Adam Haskell

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price 
  increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people 
  here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.

 Me!

 To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is 
 pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 - 
 (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features, 
 unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra 
 $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise 
 is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document 
 services, reporting etc).

 The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard 
 Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS 
 Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would 
 be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There 
 were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were 
 Enterprise-only!
 --
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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.

This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
-Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation -Put that jar into
your WEB-INF\lib -In coldfusion, create a new datasource and choose other
as the driver
-JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
-Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver

Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)


John
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-Original Message-
From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example,
Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I
need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an
enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said
we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers,
and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come
out. You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing
with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and
create great web content.

Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.

- Charles


On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, wow finally a
product that I would really label Enterprise. Not to say CF7 wasn't
Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think
the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really
enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements,
exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh),
and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer
for large Java apps.

You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you
unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say
probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality
Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a
dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card
running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running
Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have
enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to
expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at
some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say
that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will
open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo!

Adam Haskell

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price 
  increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people 
  here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.

 Me!

 To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is 
 pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 - 
 (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features, 
 unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra 
 $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise 
 is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document 
 services, reporting etc).

 The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard 
 Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS 
 Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would 
 be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There 
 were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were 
 Enterprise-only!
 --
 Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
 An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

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[John Mason]

I wasn't the presenter at that CFUnited, but here's my CFDJ article talking
about JVM tuning which uses several of the free tools from Sun which I also
presented at the CFUnited Express in Atlanta this past spring.

http://labs.fusionlink.com/katapult/index.cfm?page=articles/jvmtuning

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-Original Message-
From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

which generally you can find free tools to analyze. Someone had a fairly
good presentation 2 years ago at cfUnited about using some of these free
tools, I think he published a low cost PDF too.

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RE: Cold Fusion and VMWare?

[John Mason]

Do you have vmware tools installed?

John
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-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Cold Fusion and VMWare?

Has anyone ever used Cold Fusion with VMWare?

YUP!

Any ideas why we would sporadically get a connection error?

Nope, it worked fine for me on my development workstation.

Sorry.





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RE: Running CF7 on 64 bit Windows

[John Mason]

I'll leave this for the New Atlanta guys but you might consider using
Bluedragon since they are planning to support CF on 64-bit/Windows before
Adobe does..

http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/docs/7_0/BlueDragon_
70_Whats_New.pdf
Page 32
Support for 64-bit operating systems was planned for BlueDragon 7.0, but has
been de-ferred to the 7.0.1 release, now planned for release in mid-2007.

John
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-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Running CF7 on 64 bit Windows

From: Jochem van Dieten

 Jim McAtee wrote:
 I thought I'd asked this either here or the CFServer list and was 
 told it wasn't a problem.  Can we run CF7 on 64 bit Windows Server 
 2003?  Dual 64bit Xeon 5130s, and IIS6 as the web server.

 You can run CF as a 32 bit application on 64 bit Windows. Connecting 
 to a 64 bit webserver is not supported.


So what would be the recommended course of action given the current server
setup?

Reconfiguring the server by reformatting and installing 32 bit Win2k3 Server
would be a possibility, although not a terribly attractive one.

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RE: Running CF7 on 64 bit Windows

[John Mason]

CF8 will only support 64-bit on Solaris. CF7 doesn't support 64-bit. I would
stick to what is supported unless your client and you are willing deal with
debugging things without Adobe support. Is there a particular reason you are
wanting 64-bit? Just processing power? Thread throughput? 

John
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-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Running CF7 on 64 bit Windows

I thought I'd asked this either here or the CFServer list and was told it
wasn't a problem.  Can we run CF7 on 64 bit Windows Server 2003?  Dual 64bit
Xeon 5130s, and IIS6 as the web server.

I'm getting the following error trying to access the CFIDE:

%1 is not a valid Win32 application.

Some searches lead me to not a lot of concrete information.  The
configuration is not fully supported by Macromedia, whatever that means. 
Are there no workarounds?  Do we have to either wait for CF8 (surely 64 bit
is fully supported in CF8, right?) or else install 32 bit Win2k3 Server?




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RE: SOT- SQL Server Management Studio

[John Mason]

You can connect to a remote sql server with SSMS. Go to file then Object
Explorer, put in the sql server address and login.

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RE: Programmatically deleting a datasource

[John Mason]

Brent,

Use the AdminAPI instead of accessing the factory directly. The adminapi
will provide the ability to create/delete datasources. The underlining
factory could change with with future releases of CF and the AdminAPI is
there to provide a stable level of abstraction that you can use.

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/w
whelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=1734.htm

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-Original Message-
From: Brent Shaub [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Programmatically deleting a datasource

I found some terrific code to access the admin api on House of Fusion here.
Thanks to all!  In experimenting with the methods, I can successfully create
a SQL datasource.  What I'm having trouble doing is deleting it.

factory.datasourceservice.removeDatasource(theDatasourceName)

seems the logically choice.  In doing so, the datasource gets deleted from
factory.datasourceservice.getNames() but not from
factory.datasourceservice.getDatasources().  The datasource will appear in
the CF Admin list, but errors if I try to edit or verify it.  Something
changed, just not everything.

Does anyone know what piece I might be missing?  Thanks in advance!



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RE: SURVEY: Is ColdFusion OO?

[John Mason]

The problem I have with these questions is that it's a mix match of two 
different things. OO is a programming paradigm. Java, ColdFusion are 
programming languages. Two different things here, which is important. You can 
program java in OO or (god help you) procedurally, but that doesn't mean Java 
is OO or not. This would be sort like saying is Linux or Windows OO.

The question really should be phrase to say can you program or code ColdFusion 
to utilize the OO paradigm. Or even more precisely, does Coldfusion allow for 
the four basic components of the OO paradigm: Inheritance, Encapsulation, 
Abstraction and Polymorphism.

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From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SURVEY: Is ColdFusion OO?

On 7/8/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Loaded how so? I don't think it's loaded at all, the questions are yes 
 and no answers and the answers themselves randomized. If you think my 
 Survey shows a bias here I would be interested to see what you think that 
 bias is.

Well, the real problem is that OO means very different things to different 
people. Hence Paul's comment that all this will do is cause tail-chasing  
purse-swinging. Because everyone has a different view of OO, I think you're 
going to get a landslide of No, CF is not OO, Yes, Adobe should make it more 
OO, random - but generally low - percentage responses and who only knows what 
sort of random feature requests.

That's what I meant by loaded. Not biased, just loaded.
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RE: Coldfusion service crashing and unable to restart

[John Mason]

This looks/sounds like bad ram on the server. The other issue is you should be 
on jvm version 1.4.2_11 at least because of the daylight savings time changes 
this year. Here are the instructions on updating your JVM..

http://labs.fusionlink.com/katapult/index.cfm?page=articles/daylightsavings

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion service crashing and unable to restart

Hi.  We're running CF MX 7.0.2.142559 on a Win2003 server and we're having the 
following problem:

Coldfusion is periodically crashing (leaving our users with a Could not 
connect to jrun server error) and the only way to restart it is to restart the 
machine.  When we try to restart the application service it is unable to 
restart.  When I try to restart it from the command line with cfstart, I get 
this error: 

# An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:
#
#  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc005) at pc=0x080cacc2, pid=3692, tid=3932 
# # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (1.4.2_09-b05 mixed mode) # Problematic 
frame:
# V  [jvm.dll+0xcacc2]

We have noticed that if we restart the Coldfusion ODBC service first, then the 
application service starts up without us having to restart the machine.

Our goal is to stop CF from crashing in the first place, but since we have no 
idea why that's happening (we're searched the log files and found no clues), 
I'm hoping someone can recognize the symptoms above offer us some guidance.  
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RE: Programmatically deleting a datasource

[John Mason]

No problem glad to help. If you were on CF 6, you would have to hack through 
the factory to do these things (and it's not pretty) but the admin api helps 
solve this and like I mention Adobe will more than likely change the 
underlining factory from time-to-time but the APIs should stay solid through 
newer versions saving you from having to re-work your code each time.

John
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-Original Message-
From: Brent Shaub [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Programmatically deleting a datasource

Thanks, John, this is a much more concise, readable (and apparently reliable) 
way to go.  In a matter of a few minutes, I was able to properly delete a 
datasource.  Then it was straight-forward to creating way this way too.

Again thanks,
Brent


Brent,

Use the AdminAPI instead of accessing the factory directly. The 
adminapi will provide the ability to create/delete datasources. The 
underlining factory could change with with future releases of CF and 
the AdminAPI is there to provide a stable level of abstraction that you can 
use.

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/h
tml/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=1734.htm

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RE: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

[John Mason]

So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all, I have always thought so
and am supported by the numbers

Just a quick point here, a simple informal poll isn't going to provide you
with any statistical significance. You think CF is OO and some people agree
with you that's about all you can honestly say by this. Interesting results,
thanks for doing the poll.

John
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-Original Message-
From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

After reading a Blog Entry of Ray Camden, in a general comment, he made this
statement.

CF is not OO. CF should NOT be OO. And lastly, I pray to God that CF never
becomes OO.

I didn't agree, I actually think ColdFusion is OO, and thought that view
especially from Ray was odd, then I thought, well perhaps I have it wrong,
perhaps CF is not OO and i'm the only one who thinks it is. So I ran a
Survey, posted to both cftalk and cfaussie.

The results are quite interesting.

1. Do you consider ColdFusion to be Object Oriented?
Yes: 66%
No: 34%

2. What percentage do you think ColdFusion achieves the ability to code OO
style.
0-20%: 2%
20-40%: 4%
40-60%: 24%
60-80%: 44%
80-100%: 26%

3. Would you like the Adobe ColdFusion team to further develop ColdFusion OO
features?
Yes: 58%
No: 42%

4. What is the number one feature missing from ColdFusion from an OO point
of view?
None / Pass: 52%
Overloading: 16%
Constructors: 10%
Overriding: 4%
Interfaces: 4%
Multiple Inheritance: 2%
Serialization: 2%
Other: 10%

That last one was free text, so I combined a lot of dumb answers into None /
Pass and lots of single votes into Other. I consider that CF already does
Overriding, but I left it in the stats and CF8 does Interfaces but I left it
in also.

But here is my summary of the survey

Of the people surveyed 66% of people think that ColdFusion is an Object
Oriented language, 70% of people think that the OO features are between
60-100%, just over half 58% of people think more development needs to be
done and the main two things missing are Overloading and Constructors.

So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all, I have always thought so and am
supported by the numbers, we here code our entire application in a OO way so
to me it was a no brainer. You could read deeper that if Adobe just added
Overloading and Constructors that the CF OO feel would be almost complete
but then again 52% of people passed on what the main missing feature was.

Regards
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RE: Stolen server.

[John Mason]

 Dave - they secured this facility as well as any  ISP is going to 
 secure it.. unless you have armed guards at your office :)  This was 
 in a very nice neighborhood on a main street - where this type of 
 thing is very rare.

Most reputable ISPs provide much greater physical security than you'll
find at an office building, and many do, in fact, have armed guard

Just adding to the point. FusionLink maintains it's server racks at the
ATT/IBM datacenter here in Atlanta. There are biometrics, armed guards and
several levels of security/procedures. It's not cheap or fun at times, but
security has to be all inclusive if it will have any impact. It makes little
sense to have network security, firewalls, encrypted data, etc. if a person
could simply walk into the building and take a server.

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RE: Using a Custom COM Object

[John Mason]

Which windows account is Coldfusion running under?

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-Original Message-
From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Using a Custom COM Object

Tried that Dave didn't work. gave me the java.lang.Exception: Invalid COM
object error.

 An exception occurred when instantiating a Com object.
The cause of this exception was that:
coldfusion.runtime.com.ComObjectInstantiationException: An exception
occurred when instantiating a Com object.

Thoughts? Do they have to do anything special when creating the object to
get it to work?

jonese


On 7/5/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here's a small sample VB program that uses the object (which, of 
  course, has to be registered):
 
  Private Sub Form_Load()
 
  Dim oEncryptAs Object
  Dim sInput  As String
  Dim sOutput As String
 
  Set oEncrypt = CreateObject(CustomEncrypt.Class1)
 
  sInput = You String To Encrypt Goes Here
 
  sOutput = oEncrypt.EncodeString(sInput)
 
  MsgBox Input =   sInput  vbCrLf  Encoded =   sOutput  
  vbCrLf  Decoded =   oEncrypt.DecodeString(sOutput)
 
  Set oEncrypt = Nothing
 
  End Sub
  -end

 Try this:

 cfset oEncrypt = CreateObject(com, CustomEncrypt.Class1) cfset 
 sInput = You String To Encrypt Goes Here cfset sOutput = 
 oEncrypt.EncodeString(sInput) cfset sDecryptedOutput = 
 oEncrypt.DecodeString(sOutput)

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RE: Using a Custom COM Object

[John Mason]

I figured you already did that :)

For others who run across this. You need to register the dll with the
regsvr32 command so the system knows you what you are calling . If you run
CF under an account other than the Local System (which you should). There
may be some permissions issues depending on the permissions you give the
account.

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From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Using a Custom COM Object

Got it registered now it work. Thanks michael!

jonese

On 7/6/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have you registered the object yet?

 -Original Message-
 From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:29 AM
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 Subject: Re: Using a Custom COM Object

 Tried that Dave didn't work. gave me the java.lang.Exception: Invalid 
 COM object error.

  An exception occurred when instantiating a Com object.
 The cause of this exception was that:
 coldfusion.runtime.com.ComObjectInstantiationException: An exception 
 occurred when instantiating a Com object.

 Thoughts? Do they have to do anything special when creating the object 
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RE: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

[John Mason]

I think there was dw/homesite extensions link with the cf 8 beta download. 

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Subject: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

There's a few people here that havent switched to CFEclipse and are still
using Dreamweaver. Does anyone know if Adobe is planning on releasing CF8
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RE: Coldfusion MX7 Developer Exam for certification, a must? Wher e is the location of the exam?

[John Mason]

Another thing you may ask is if they are a member of a local ColdFusion Users 
Group or one of the worldwide UG that hold their meetings online (and if not 
why). It may seem silly but I've found that programmers that are active in 
their community generally have a better skillset and are far more knowledgable 
since they actually think about coding outside of work.

CF certification isn't in a good state. There needs to be more levels to it and 
the testing needs to have simulations like the Cisco tests have. In the Cisco 
tests, they give you a IOS command prompt and the question is set up a RIP 
between two networks, etc. You will either know the answer or not. In CF, it 
wouldn't take much to give a IDE screen and simply say that you need a 
component that has one method that returns a recursive list of cfm files in a 
directory. You will either solve this in a few lines or spend a few hours 
scratching your head :)

John
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From: Jaime Metcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Coldfusion MX7 Developer Exam for certification, a must? Wher e is 
the location of the exam?

 -Original Message-
 From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 6 July 2007 4:32 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Coldfusion MX7 Developer Exam for certification, a must?
 Wher e is the location of the exam?


 Out of the last five or so that we hired, ONE really knows ColdFusion.

+1

Then
 there was the one.  Great resume, extensive experience with SQL, CF, 
 and other things; great responses from previous employers.  Had to 
 fire him after a week.  He didn't even know do a simple table join. 
 (we now ask basic technical questions during the interview)

Amen to that.

However, I also have scant regard for certification.  I now do two things:

1. Just talk to them.  If someone is knowledgeable and enthusiastic it will 
show.  And I do expect my programmers to be able to speak.  In an interview, I 
expect a programmer to a) tell me something I didn't know - they're keen and up 
with all the buzzwords, right? and b) get so intrigued with something I tell 
them that they forget to be the poised interviewee and go into problem-solving 
mode.

2. Ask them to read out load from a page of code (any page).  If they say 
nothing more than this is a loop followed by a query I'm not impressed.
If they say Hey, it looks like you've coded your own free text search here.
Are you trying to work around the file limits in Verity?  Did you try Lucene?  
I *am* impressed.

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RE: Dreamweaver and Vista

[John Mason]

CFEclipse

http://www.cfeclipse.org/

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-Original Message-
From: Jenny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Dreamweaver and Vista

CFE ?

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My advise to jenny and will is to ditch dw for cfe, but i cant say if it
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RE: CF8 Ent Instances

[John Mason]

On security, I want to be clear here about this. I understand people like to
play fast and loose with these things, but when setting up a server
configuration, you should always 'assume' the data is important and needs to
be secure. Even if you know for a fact that it isn't.

Why say it this way. Well a developer could change this situation very
easily. Even if the data is not important today. Some day down the road a
developer could alter a table and start inserting credit card info or other
critical data. The developer may not realize or be on the same page as the
sys admin that set up the server. Now you have a problem.

On system resources, the same holds true. You can easily run MySQL on a low
traffic web server, but things can change very easily. It's best the plan
for the worse. It'll save you a lot of headaches down the road.

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-Original Message-
From: Mike Chabot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 Ent Instances

Assuming the data is important and needs to be secure, then you are correct.
However, not all data is important. The server these guys were describing
was unlikely to have anything remotely sensitive on it, which is why they
were comfortable running everything on one box.
I should have clarified that. Their point was they ran a site with heavy
traffic and didn't see their server get bogged down due to the database use,
like many SQL Server sites experience, because MySQL uses fewer system
resources than SQL Server. They were also running PHP on Unix.

-Mike Chabot

On 6/21/07, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It may chew up less resources, but that doesn't get around the 
 security issues. Every 'expert' I've ever spoken with on this would 
 agree with putting the db on a separate box, behind the firewall, and 
 without direct access to the net, utilizing full authenticated-only 
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RE: CF8 Ent Instances

[John Mason]

Just as an example, a lot of merchant account agreements now specifically
call for these types of security procedures. So if you're doing e-commerce,
you may want to read up on your agreements. You may be legally required to
follow points such as these.

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To: CF-Talk
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On Thursday 21 Jun 2007, Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
 issues. Every 'expert' I've ever spoken with on this would agree with 
 putting the db on a separate box, behind the firewall, and without 
 direct access to the net, utilizing full authenticated-only access 
 from specific sources within the internal lan, and typically on a 
 non-standard port.

That's massive overkill for most people's applications, I expect.

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RE: Standard or Enterprise Edition?

[John Mason]

Yes, standard will run multiple sites. Enterprise simply has some added
features that are nice for multiple sites, like sandboxing the applications,
etc.

By default CF runs under the local System account (look at the Services)
which has only local admin rights, no network access to say the active
directory,etc. By the way, the CF service should be changed to it's own
account that has just the rights that CF needs to run. Having an application
server with full admin rights to the box is a large security risk. Now, back
to your question, you can have CF under a active domain account that has
network access to shares on other servers etc. Simply change the account to
the domain account and type in the password. Restart the service and you
should be able access a mapped network resource.

John
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-Original Message-
From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Standard or Enterprise Edition?

Can someone pls clarify. From the Adobe site, it reads as if Standard
Edition (of CFMX 7) supports one site only; if you are running 2 or more
sites, even on one server, you need Enterprise?

2nd question. Does CFMX developer edition CFFILE allow me to see the
file structure on another box. Somebody said yes, but CF has to be logged in
somehow, and gave me very straightforward directions for doing that - which
I immediately lost. Recap for the dumb kid at the back, please?





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RE: CF8 Ent Instances

[John Mason]

Considering CF8 is still beta and we don't know the applications you are
trying to run on this. The answer is it depends.

As a side note, putting a database server on the same box is a bad move. The
web server and database server should be separate to obtain the best in
security and utilization of your hardware.

John
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-Original Message-
From: Jason Manaigre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF8 Ent Instances

Hi everyone, will be launching a new server soon, specs are:

Server Dual Xeon Quad Core 1.6 Ghz (Clovertown E5310) Ram 4 GB ECC DDR2
SDRAM Hard Disk  4 x 74 GB 10K SATA Raptor RAID 5 (Adaptec Controller)
Windows 2003 Server Standard


CF8 Enterprise and MySQL5 on the same box until we can afford a second
db server.

The question is how many instances of CF can generally be run on this
server config?

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