[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I thought Adobe's support for CFEclipse was pretty common knowledge - what about all the CFEclipse plugins they've distributed with 702 for starters? It got a lot of coverage at webDu with both Dean Harmon and Rob Rohan there... __ Robin Hilliard On 14/09/2006, at 10:07 AM, B

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

low > and your later note. Just want to make sure that those calling for debugging > know that it is indeed now available. > > /charlie > http://www.carehart.org/blog/ > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Has anyone ever seen this? http://www.ignitefusion.com/ Or this http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=105 Or this http://www.pcaonline.com/prod/index.cfm?loc=coral Lots of CF clones out there.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you ar

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

ndeed now available. /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:39 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? to tie these comments back

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

just to be clear here - four points: Adobe CF (and BD for that matter) is a commercial product, not opensource. the CF marketshare is too small/fragile to leave support of the platform (tools) to outside sources... for a commercial product (why do I care? if the tools are inadequate, no one wi

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

to tie these comments back to the thread title, I really hope that this is more than some lame thread-watching tool. I'm continually impressed with VisualStudio.NET's debugging. breakpoints, line-by-line code execution, watching variables - anywhere in the code - even being able to drill down thr

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I emailed Guiness Book of Records, they'll get back to me with regards to this being the longest thread. That's OK, Scott. It is good to hear I am not the only one into CF on this list who is committed to moving into high-paying jobs with ambiguous position titles. "Programmer" seems so routine

[cfaussie] step debugging in CFML with FusionDebug (was RE: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?)

currently 3-part) series of blog entries at:  http://carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/fusiondebug     /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/   From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane FarmerSent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:14 AMTo: cfaussie@googlegroup

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/13/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: he wouldn't elaborate to much on it but it seemed to be pretty much that, he did also mention you'll be able to see/monitor all threads running and kill them etc, as well as open up cf more and see what exactly is happening under the hood and what y

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Its true..   I sit here daily thinking about how life in CF/FLEX programming was so damn sweet. Now days, i spend most of my time in meetings, talking about what I'd like to do with the two brands under my charge, yet can't quite execute them due to some crap about governance or red tape here and t

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/13/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given that a number companies are now giving away, for free, their > > propriety products for limited use, when is Adobe going to jump on the > > bandwagon with JRun and Coldfusion? Well, actually I currently know of > > only one application ser

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

good on yer, M@ > he did mention a lot more print advertising as well as event advertising etc > I'd be very keen to see cf8 before stepping away from it encouragement at last! I hope the knobs at Adobe realise some of the best advertising is free: next time an Adobe bigwig gives an interview t

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/12/06, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I meet Ben once.. he wasa 6ft tall, arms like tree trunks and hair as red as fire, he bespoken with harmony in his voice he-be, and when he stared at you, it felt as if the devil be watchin ya, it did.   He affectionately referred to me as "weird

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/12/06, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: M@, are you referring to interactive step debugging? Or something else? I'd just not heard of any plans for Adobe to do step debugging, so just curious what you may have heard.   Hi Charlie good to hear from a fellow long time BD user,

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I meet Ben once.. he wasa 6ft tall, arms like tree trunks and hair as red as fire, he bespoken with harmony in his voice he-be, and when he stared at you, it felt as if the devil be watchin ya, it did.   He affectionately referred to me as "weird little man" and i remember his words fondly... "coul

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

hi M@> Ben said they are going to pretty much every Ajax function there is and > giving away cd's.so, if ppl at gatherings are interested in Ajax, they're obviouslyinterested in building web applications per se, yes? That's one attackthrust I suppose. Anything else?So... did the Magic Forta say any

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

hi M@ > Ben said they are going to pretty much every Ajax function there is and > giving away cd's. so, if ppl at gatherings are interested in Ajax, they're obviously interested in building web applications per se, yes? That's one attack thrust I suppose. Anything else? So... did the Magic Fort

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

ussie] Re: Why buy into CF? Given that a number companies are now giving away, for free, theirpropriety products for limited use, when is Adobe going to jump on the bandwagon with JRun and Coldfusion? Well, actually I currently know ofonly one application server that's now fre

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Given that a number companies are now giving away, for free, theirpropriety products for limited use, when is Adobe going to jump on the bandwagon with JRun and Coldfusion? Well, actually I currently know ofonly one application server that's now free: the IBM WebSphereApplication Server Community E

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Slight sidetrack from this thread, but I'm switching hats, so I think it's pertinent. I've not worn my CF hat for a while (but I have had me Flash hat on for a while), but now it's time to put on my java hat. It's has sort of caught me off guard, the amount of code that needs to be written t

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Oh, Microsoft have implemented XAML into IE 7 long long before we clued in onto that fact. You have to be a mug to not realise that the whole "Web application" concept threatened the very existance of an Operating Systems actual purpose as it was living out the hybrid dream of thin-ware deployment.

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Scott,   That is something that is being discussed here too.   .Net has some very good advantages, as does Java and unlike Java it has evolved into something that can be considered a serious contender in client/server applications with the introduction of XAML.   And with the advent o

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

.NET isn't so bad to be honest? the only thing that i find a bit disconcerting about it, is "what could I use it for" given that Microsoft are a bit sketchy as to what the future of .NET 2.0 apps will look like with the upcoming Vista Regime?   I'm more inclined to start asking questions about bro

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I don't know what they would say thats why I would LIKE to see what their thoughts on this topic would be! If its been done to death, then obiviously no one is listening AND since this is a new company, perhaps they will now. I agree I would love to get "on with it" I have already installed the .N

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Chad, CF is called Coldfusion and not Cold fusion Cold Fusion is a science term for nuclear fusion:-) Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message b

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Umm... one of the first lines on that page is: For the computer programming language, see ColdFusion. Chad Renando wrote: On that note, can that then please get Google not to say "Did you mean: coldfusion" whenever you search for the term, or get wikipedia to acknowledg

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/10/06, Chad Renando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On that note, can that then please get Google not to say "Did you > mean: coldfusion" whenever you search for the term, or get wikipedia > to acknowledge the software > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion)? They do (http://en.wikipedia.o

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On that note, can that then please get Google not to say "Did you mean: coldfusion" whenever you search for the term, or get wikipedia to acknowledge the software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion)? Chad who wanted to get his name in on this monster thread On 9/9/06, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

The main reason everyone should buy into Coldfusion is because its name sounds much cooler then the rest.EOS.(End Of Story)On 9/9/06, Robin Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry Jeremy, but what on earth would you expect them to say afterreading this thread?  IMHO it hasn't covered anything th

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Sorry Jeremy, but what on earth would you expect them to say after reading this thread? IMHO it hasn't covered anything that hasn't already been done to death (over and over) on this list in the last six or so years. Yes it would be nice if ColdFusion were free and world governments legi

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Seeing that this thread is by far the biggest we have had in CFAussie(close tender would be scott having it out with *another programmer hehehe*). I would REALLY like to see Adobe's take on this situation. Anyoneanyone.bueller... Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~-

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/8/06, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Tilbrook wrote:> Yeah but JBoss isn't supported for ColdFusion yet (it will be with> Scorpio though). >I didn't realise that.. I thought because you could deploy CF as an ear,you could put in on any ol' server.   Correct me if I'm wrong, but

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Peter Tilbrook wrote: > On 08/09/06, *Haikal Saadh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > I think the Java AS and database market has become a bit commodotised. > They all do more or less the same thing. I don't see why anyone would > pay for JRun... JBoss do

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/8/06, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > software development) easy. If Adobe gave away CF for free, where would > they get money from? I guess the same way that IBM, Oracle and Microsoft are making their money. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Gr

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 08/09/06, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the Java AS and database market has become a bit commodotised.They all do more or less the same thing. I don't see why anyone wouldpay for JRun... JBoss does the same thing for free. Yeah but JBoss isn't supported for ColdFusion yet (it w

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I think the Java AS and database market has become a bit commodotised. They all do more or less the same thing. I don't see why anyone would pay for JRun... JBoss does the same thing for free. CF, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish... The code in that uncyclopedia link posted ea

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/6/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would be of interest to get his take on this discussion. > Any questions you want me to ask him feel free to post in here. > and I'll ask him. Given that a number companies are now giving away, for free, their propriety products for limited u

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Nathan, Have to agree as a developer we should all not only be aware of our competitors but adapt where we can or even leverage if need be. As far as RonR it's just a fancy term for MVC, ORM and Spring rolled into one, but hey that's my opinion. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. w

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

No need to apologise Barry. For the most part this has been a healthy debate about CF and its competitors. Anyone who relies on CF for their living should be aware of its competitors and how they compare to CF (especially how they compare to CF in the eyes of the bean counters and decision maker

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Barry, Everyone on this list would agree with about what they love here too. And we just had a discussion here about Ruby, it might be gaining ground but our clients are blue chip companies, and one of our developers said the same thing that Dale did say awhile ago. You can't put Ruby or RonR to

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

and I apologise to all and sundary for accidently making this the longest and most obtuce thread on cfaussie. Perhaps I'm a bit too protective of the fact that I like what I do and the tools I use and it irks me to throw away good ideas for bad. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Java cheers b On 9/

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Glad you took that in the spirit it was intended - I thought about that email last night & cringed about being too harsh... No offence intended :) Just came across this this morning - http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/JRuby-guys - maybe we'll be able to run ruby code in our CF app

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/7/06, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OMG - another free software consipracy - quick get the DOJ onto it! > > Did you know Adobe (formerly Macromedia) have done a devious deal with > those evil communists at the Apache Foundation to secretly bundle the > Xerces parser and Axis web

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

> Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still > astounded/disgusted in the amount of hype that surounds the > RubyOnRails camp. did you know that 37Signals has done a deal with > Apple so the next version of OS-X comming out will have RonR included > on every copy, ready to install and

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

For your SME clients - stupid cheap CF hosting - It is meant to be quite good too, if you do a google search on it - http://www.hostingatoz.com/ Just to throw that in. Mark On 9/7/06, Sean Bucklar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still > astound

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Barry, How did you know that we use Powerbuilder and Lotus notes!! I cracked up when I read that cause thats exactly the path we are going. We(company) will be moving all of that to .NET in the years to come. Sean very interesting point on th RoR that it will be shipping with OSX. Very interesti

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

"Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still astounded/disgusted in the amount of hype that surounds the RubyOnRails camp. did you know that 37Signals has done a deal with Apple so the next version of OS-X comming out will have RonR included on every copy, ready to install and run? sure

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

It would be of interest to get his take on this discussion.Chris Any questions you want me to ask him feel free to post in here. and I'll ask him. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To p

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/6/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's very interesting, considering that according to his website > > he'll be in London next Tuesday. > > Lets hope so Chris, as I work roughly 40km's from London :) > I'll even email ya some photo's if you'd like It would be of interest to ge

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

That's very interesting, considering that according to his websitehe'll be in London next Tuesday. Lets hope so Chris, as I work roughly 40km's from London :)I'll even email ya some photo's if you'd likeM@ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 9/6/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Forta is coming to my work next tuesday for a visit, maybe they need That's very interesting, considering that according to his website he'll be in London next Tuesday. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Gro

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

(I really promised myself I'd shut up but I gotta correct a couple of things). Andrew, that's true in the MS world, and sadly, it seems this is also Jeremy's (earlier post) reality too. it's not just .NET. We're buying in a huge LMS (CMS for learning, really)... built in Java. Guess what the ext

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Ben Forta is coming to my work next tuesday for a visit, maybe they need more ben forta's (As he can only be in on place at one time) and have them continually going around the companies.M@ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed t

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I think Microsoft have the advantage over Adobe in that .Net is just one part of a whole solution that they can provide. When you get windows you get .Net. If you buy CRM, you get .Net. So when it comes time to do new projects or want to customise existing solution or want to integrate into their s

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I've said it before and will say it againif your company gets to the top 200 companies on the ASX microsoft will be so far up your ass that you'll think you've got a second tonguethere whole marketing strategyis to get as many of the top 200 companies as possible, then they'll advertise in the mage

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I agree with Jeremy on this one too. It may be well and good to promote a strong grassroots love for CF in the developer community, but with a complete absence of visibility to the decision making tier of businesses (a group which is almost mutually exclusive to the developer community), it gets v

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Robin, I disagree. The main reason all these companies are going to .NET is because of advertising. Its the people at the top that make the decesion. We can recommend till the cows come home. But if they decide that MS giving them money to develop in their language which would YOU choose as a bus

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Tim Buntel has created a PDF with compelling reasons to use CFhttp://www.buntel.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=12341BF4-4E22-1671-5BB217965BD35137 On 9/5/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: well, Robin, I'll  bow to your experiance and position in the industryand gladly  accept the vi

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

well, Robin, I'll bow to your experiance and position in the industry and gladly accept the view that what's happening to Jeremy and I is mearly an aberation (caused by different circumstances). Others people's milage obviously vary to this. and if you're comfrortable with the current marketin

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

So on one hand you want it to be free, (not to mention others complaining that $40/month is too much for shared CF hosting and taking their business offshore) on the other hand you want Adobe to spend a few hundred thousand dollars at least advertising ColdFusion in ANZ (and that is a femt

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 8:09 AM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? > > > An Ad i found in seek this morning. This is what I have to deal with > everyday at work. > > > > > > A fina

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

ussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 8:09 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? An Ad i found in seek this morning. This is what I have to deal with everyday at work. A financially secure, ASX listed company who provid

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

aye and I've *heard* that Talent2 have some chunky modules to deilver for a large brisbane-based university _THAT_USED_TO_RUN_COLDFUSION_!!! somedays it feels like being a pixie about 2 inches high, jumping up and down waving arms everywhere shouting (at pixie volume) "use coldfusion.. it's

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

An Ad i found in seek this morning. This is what I have to deal with everyday at work. A financially secure, ASX listed company who provides IT services to organisations of all sizes across the Asia Pacific region, is seeking an experienced ColdFusion/.Net Developer. Working in a team self-d

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Rails won't be the last framework for ruby, just like any language it'll eventually get flooded with crap and poor code. I couldn't imagine many companies scrapping a technology for ruby just yet, sure some will but its a bit to pioneering, sure its an old language but its more the frame work your

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

> If RonR can pretty much do everything CF can do, and it's free - why > would a company pay the extra dollars? well, that part of it sort-of evolved, but it's not the whole story if you factor in Jeremy's points of moving to .NET, and us with Java/JSP. and as a litmus test and leaving a direct

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

>From what I'm reading Barry - your argument comes down to one simple question - If RonR can pretty much do everything CF can do, and it's free - why would a company pay the extra dollars? Would the be correct? Mark On 8/31/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Barry, I was talkin

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

37Signals (who originally made rails) uses it for all of their apps, I believe. They've stated that campfire and basecamp use rails... the rest of their stuff probably does as well. Andrew Scott wrote: > Thanks Robin, > > I guess you put it better than I could have. > > Mark Stanton touched it,

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Thanks Robin, I guess you put it better than I could have. Mark Stanton touched it, and the point is as Robin said all languages can achieve the same thing. I was interested to know why RoR was any different to CF + MG:U or even MachII + Reactor. At the end of the day, scaffolding is supported

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Mercer Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 6:24 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?   The thing I like best about CF over .Net, is it has been consistent for the last 9-10 years - since the CF tags

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Anyone know of a good example of RoR 'scaffolding' code I can look at? From:  "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To:  cfaussie@googlegroups.comTo:  cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject:  [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:51:55 +1000>&

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

> Barry, I was talking about the frameworks, not Ruby vs CFML - and I > think there's been plenty of responses on this thread that include > things CF can do that RoR cannot (esp. Java based and all that > entails - I take it that QUT aren't a J2EE house). we will be well on the way by next year,

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Couldnt' have said it better my self. The Emperor colthes are grey hahahahaha. J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Hey Andrew, SIde note. I think there is a sleep functionality coming out. We are calling the java code directly at the moment. J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 31/08/2006, at 2:10 AM, Barry Beattie wrote: > >> but there is no particular magic about it - all the RoR things can >> be done in CF > > but Robin, the reverse of that is true too. - all the CF things can > be done in RonR. Where's the product differentiation? Barry, I was talking about

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?   yep - this is my point. Sure the sleep thing is simple, but ColdFusion is more about On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brett, You make a fine point, I wasn't sure if he wanted to acce

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

objects. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Farmer Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:07 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?   Dale, does this stop

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

> but there is no particular magic about it - all the RoR things can be done in > CF but Robin, the reverse of that is true too. - all the CF things can be done in RonR. Where's the product differentiation? and now, that includes remoting, which was one selling point I was using in flying the

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 30/08/2006, at 3:24 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: > > Hi Andrew > >> I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. > > Here is the rails API documentation: http://api.rubyonrails.com/ > > If you take the ColdSpring, MG, Reactor and CFAjax + big chunks of the > CF language (where CF is abstracting away trick

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

---From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Brett Payne-RhodesSent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 8:00 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are custom tags around for zip and sleep as well.

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

o: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are custom tags around forzip and sleep as well.But just because these things exist does not mean that Adobe should not be expanding the native CF tag library to include these

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

On 8/30/06, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but it would be very difficult to develop a .NETapplication using something as simple as notepad.   There are some OK editors out there to do .NET coding in (all the editors for the MONO runtime in Linux, Dreamweaver et

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Dale, does this stop you from using MySQL databases? On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see,But I picked them for my comment "I wouldn't be jumping on any platform thatwasn't provided by a main stream player" Thus, I don't know who provides PHP.RegardsDale Fraserhttp://dale.fraser

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

The main PHP engine is by Zend (http://www.zend.com). PHP 5 is getting close to the feel of Java moving it from just a RADlike language to a more powerful enterprise solution with PDF and charting being built into the engine with simple extension dll/so libraries. It also has a very strong develope

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Hi Barry,   No time to read entire post, but you ever tried to fix or extend the rails framework if it doesn't do *exactly* what you want it to do? You might as well re-write it in CF in some cases. Hopefully I will get to read the whole thread tomorrow...   My 2cShane   p.s. If I gave $2 (or wort

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

After 11 years of CF I am prepared to let it all go.No explanation. Just tired of trying to defend it or find work without having to move hundreds of miles to places that "get it". --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 8:00 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are c

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

lto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Mercer Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 6:24 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?   The thing I like best about CF over .Net, is it has been consistent for the last 9-10 years - since the CF tags (after db tags) For exampl

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kerr Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 6:49 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 01:58:58PM +1000, Dale Fraser wrote: > > When presenting different technologies to

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are custom tags around for zip and sleep as well. But just because these things exist does not mean that Adobe should not be expanding the native CF tag library to include these features. I for one would be generally much happier to use a CF tag

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 01:58:58PM +1000, Dale Fraser wrote: > > When presenting different technologies to the Board here, the first question > the chairman asked. > > Q: Who makes ColdFusion > A: Adobe > > Now if I had been pitching PHP. > > Q: Who makes PHP > A: Ahh, Not sure a bunch of guys

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Ben Forta has written an wrapper around image/J. Andrew Mercer wrote: > > What I would like to see from Adobe take from .Net is the amount of > objects that have been exposed in to the developer. > That is, I would like to see more JAVA objects exposed. For example, I > would like to see a CFZI

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

The thing I like best about CF over .Net, is it has been consistent for the last 9-10 years - since the CF tags (after db tags)For example, data base access - data access methods have come and gone, odbc, ole, oleDB, ole.Net , ADO ..., but for the CF developer it has always been CFQUERY. Allaire/MM

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if they are whinging about the cost of multiple licenses why not challenge with the cost of multi-skilled developers. no doubt its best to have developers with multiple skills but in a global skills shortage (of all languages) is it good to have people very experienced *commercially* with cf become

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, 30 August 2006 3:23 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? Thats my point, You develop in ColdFusion for free but when it comes time to sell your application it costs money to do that. Where as MS does it the other way around. Most big applications that we build are internal

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Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 3:16 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? > I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. but that's just how the apps get written/what to produce. in other words, CF is *not* the final wor

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ion Developer > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 8676 4223 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:46 PM > To: cfaussie >

[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

Thats my point, You develop in ColdFusion for free but when it comes time to sell your application it costs money to do that. Where as MS does it the other way around. Most big applications that we build are internal so hosting isn't an issue, but the server licence is. Don't get me wrong I would

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Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 8676 4223 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:46 PM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] Re:

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PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:46 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? I see your point steve, but I think your wrong. Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using notepad. Why...cause your a freak and you like your nipples twisted. Secondly; The Cost is

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