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On Aug 28, 2014 12:46 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List
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In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that
Guess I am missing something here.maybe I don't understand what is meant by
marina. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
marina using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
quarters I
Nobody is faulting the use of an engine. It is just funny seeing people
get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their auxiliary
propulsion.
Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of
engine propelled watercraft.
On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, dwight via CnC-List
My marina has a narrow entrance channel and I need to do two 90 degree turn to
get into my slip. I can sail in, or I can sail out, but I can't recall ever
being able to do both in the same day. My worst day with no engine was coming
home from Baltimore in November. It was cold, it was rough,
I can't remember all the times I've had to sail a boat to the dock at the
end of a delivery.
It's good practice to sail your own boat in occasionally--just for fun--in
case one day you have to get in without an engine. I suspect most of the
people on this list know their boats well enough that
Sailing into my slip is not something I am prepared to try. I'm not that
good but even if I were my marina is very tight. No need to take that kind
of risk. Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure
out that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start
I back my 38 into her slip, so I've only sailed her into her slip one time -
and that was bow first. Actually that was pretty easy since her slip was the
last one on the pier.
I've never tried backing a sailboat under sail. I used to be totally awed when
the big AC boats would come head to
The trick to backing with a Martec folding prop is the throttle.
My Martec will stop my 15000 pound 38 from 2 or 3 knots in about a boat length.
Shift into reverse and boost the throttle to about half (1200 to 1500 rpm in my
case). The revs hold the blades open and she will stop as well as she
Finally got a picture of my shortened key
Bill Coleman
CC 39
KeyRing.jpg
I like the ring / shortened key idea. The pull switch is also a good idea, I
did try the superglue trick and it did not work for me.
-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, Georgia.
Sent from IBM
Here’s a pic of my keyless ignition panel:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/keyless.jpg
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's
Because my boat backs to port I have found that I am better off lining up
to starboard of the centerline of the slip. When I back down, the stern
moves to port, centering the boat in the slip. I shift to neutral and
steer as needed. I throw the aft spring over the designated winch so I
don't
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Where are the “Impulse Engine” and “Warp Drive” controls?
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
Here’s a pic of my keyless ignition panel:
Well you end up with this sooner or later:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
CC 35 MK I
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Robert Gallagher;
Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine
every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning
into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I
We did have some fun sailing into our slip in Ego Alley (downtown Annapolis).
My brother was visiting and wanted to go for a sail despite the engine being
taken apart for repairs. While we were out the wind shifted so that returning
would be a dead run down the fairway. If we missed the slip
(save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)
Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing
says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just
Docking. What a novelty ;)
Try a 3 point mooring in a 25 knot cross wind on the starboard beam with 4
mooring lines dangling in the water and a 2 blade fixed ;) That thing is
like a rototiller in the water (it *just* *wants* to GO. OVER. THERE.). In
a situation like that I come in close to the
I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip.
I've sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point
mooring. The three point dictates which direction you're approaching from
regardless where the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle
up
Hi Steve … Come to EYC and practice on the Visitor pump-out dock ;)
Tim
33MKII
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Back when I was a teenager, my brother and I almost always sailed our Columbia
Sabre (5.5m hull made into a narrow racer/cruiser) in and out of the slip. Our
auxiliary power was a temperamental 5hp British Seagull (aren't they all) that
was a pain to carry up the companionway and mount on the
Fred,
Those are the impulse engine controls. The sail cover and furling line
are the warp drive controls.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship
Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under
power either way and under sail going downwind.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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I call that the J.C.F. line…
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound
And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a responsible
fashion, then try practicing single handed; it's a little more challenging
that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers.
Dwight Veinot
CC 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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It doesn't hurt to have the engine running in neutral too...just in case.
Josh
On Aug 28, 2014 2:28 PM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a
responsible fashion, then try practicing single handed; it's a little
Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of
getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when
the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no
way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in
Since Fred asked about the Enterprise’s warp drive, you may be pleased to know
that we do have a warp core on board, complete with dilithium crystals.
See it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89vY1p0tT2E
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship
My best docking EVER is at super low tide. I am dragging through a few inches
of mud, so short of half-throttle the boat does not move. Despite a nasty
crosswind I track ruler-straight into the slip, stop dead center, and calmly
walk around hooking up lines while the boat holds perfect position
Thanks all. I don't have the luxury of a spring though, I'm on a three
point mooring. I suppose in my case I'll just use the stern line.
Thanks for the tips :)
And the EYC suggestion, maybe I'll give that a try, we're not far.
Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Josh
I keep a heavy line tied between the piling on the fareway and the piling
on the dock, one on both port and stbd sides. In lew of a center piling
you can use a couple of different types of knot to tie a spring line to the
side lines. The bow man (or you) can grab the spring you left dangling on
I’ll use my radio and ask for a tow
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:10 PM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
(save
I have never pulled into my slip going forward, my shore power line is not
long enough to reach..
The very 1st time ever I docked a keel boat (or any inboard boat for that
mater ) I backed it into its slip (U shaped slip) . That was the day of my
sea trial 24 hrs before I signed a big check...
In docking (and most other sailing endeavors too) we have discovered an
immutable law of physicality we call the people watching rule; which is; the
amount of trouble or difficulty encountered is directly proportionate to the
number of people watching!
Richard
1985 37 CB; Ohio River Mile
That is pretty much my approach. The prop walk disappears when in neutral
and with ANY backward way on the rudder is very effective. That is very
different from the much heavier twin engine power boat I am used to. Rudder
is useless in reverse unless you have some serious way on. You steer the
Jean-Francois,
you said:
“The trick for my boat is to give it a moderate goose in reverse and
immediately put it in neutral.”
Until I learned this trick (or is it technique?) I could not get out of my
slip. It is a narrow slip and very narrow fairway and getting out I need to
turn backwards
same configuration here. The dock is actually shorter than the boat. And I
use very similar technique. Most of the times it works.
Marek
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Not sure I understand a 3 point mooring.
In Southport CT we have fore and aft moorings. The uninitiated (and those who
refuse to take advice / help from our staff), amuse bystanders as they try to
pick up the pennants. (The trick is to use an extension line that clips on to
one pennant to
Ditto. (Of course it's probably just luck, the current or wind, magic or
my imagination because conventional wisdom seems to say that Martecs have
no reverse.)
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List
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Don't you just hate it when you've got that perfect stern in docking
maneuver going and one of your crew thinks you're going to scrape a piling
and fends off by stopping the boat. That sucks! I usually try to
remember to tell crew not to fend off unless I ask and definitely don't
stop me. A 25
You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of
dock arrangement
Dwight Veinot
CC 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine
sound insulation...anybody else want to chime in with an opinion about whether
it is worth it?
David F. Risch
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014
Really it's a personal preference issue.if the engine noise bothers you or
someone important to you then try some sound insulation.if you need sound
insulation then I would suggest that maybe you are steaming too much.no such
problem under sail.anyway I hope you get my point about personal
I have no sound proofing around my engine. I do have the atomic 4 though and
it is referred to as the quiet engine.
In my opinion, and I have no experience with diesel, it's that I want to hear
the engine when it is running even at idle, especially at idle...
From my Android phone
Dave -
I'll chime in.I did that job about 3 years ago and am glad I did.Note
that it's no silver bullet. Martin's comment that no one asks if the
diesel is running is still accurate, but it's a lot better. As I get
older the engine doesn't sound as bad as it used to, so I have that going
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I was just thinking the other day that
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On 8/28/2014 6:36 PM, RPH via CnC-List wrote:
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Mine was getting pretty shabby looking.I switched to a Tilley, I like it
Dwight Veinot
CC 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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I'm glad I did it on mine. Then again new engine mounts and adjusting the
lifters could have helped too. Noise still transmits aft under a hatch for
the shaft seal. I've considered putting some insulation on it too.
Josh
On Aug 28, 2014 5:22 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Rick,
I use about 3,000 rpm to get the boat stopped and moving in reverse. After
that, I can use just a little bit of throttle to maintain my speed. The
transmission usually goes into idle long before I enter the slip (in reverse).
Jake
Jake Brodersen
“Midnight Mistress”
CC 35
My boat didn't come with any sound insulation around the engine! Since my
engine compartment is not completely closed, I wouldn't think that adding it
now would be very helpful.
Bob
Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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blog:
IMHO, the key to docking stern to is to have sufficiently sized 'cahunas' to
get the boat moving in reverse relatively far from the slip.
I almost always dock stern to and independent of wind, current, prop walk,
blah, blah, blah...the key is to get going in reverse at least 10 boat lengths
I've owned the boat for 12 years and just started backing in this year. It is
so easy, sorry I didn't start sooner.
I enter my marina fairway in forward slowly so the throttle is set. I rig
fenders on both sides to protect neighboring boats. I setup about four boat
lengths from my slip, turn
Hi Rick
It is not uncommon to see pre-start backing down
under sail at west coast Grande Prix races
(that is occasioning read locally as grand pricks
races, sometimes for good measure :).
The primary reason around here is to ensure
clearing seaweed from keel, etc. before the
start. Let's
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