Stus-List 34 genoa sheets

1/2" is the original size for C Replaced mine with same a year ago. The size depends on what winches you use and what feels good to your hands. Most boats have had the winches switched out over their life so it's possible the 1/2" doesn't match with the winch 37 years later. When you

Stus-List soft shackles

This video is what I use to make soft shackles: http://l-36.com/soft_shackle_howto.php Get some Dyneema, make one, and give it a try. Alternatively, order from ebay:

Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

Torque is not affected in this case by deformation of the extension or other hardware at all. Zero. Torque is force x moment arm length. Jeff Laman 1981 C "Harmony" Ludington, Mi From: David Miles Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 7:33 PM To:

Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

Hi Charlie, In answer to your questions: Yes, keel bolts can be tightened while the boat is in the water or on a cradle. Intuitively, many have suggested that the boat needs to be on a cradle with the keel supported so the keel is not "hanging". However, a calculation of loads and forces

Stus-List Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

Regarding bolt torque and corresponding bolt pretension: there seems to be some misunderstanding about bolt torque. Worries about stripping threads when boat is in the water, thinking about lifting the keel up, must do it on the hard, etc. Just as an example for the sake of discussion, let's

Re: Stus-List Offshore boat - lost in translation/ now buy the freaking boat!

Excellent advice from Bruno. A bit like real estate and location, location, location. You can make a 29 or 30 footer really great with upgrades and spending money. But, you can never turn it into a 36 footer no matter how much you spend. And, you can't move a house to a better location

Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38

Torresen Marine mechanic in Muskegon Michigan recommended "Green Grease" to me this past summer. It's a synthetic, waterproof grease (and it is green) that you can get about anywhere. Torresen didn't have it in stock, but West Marine store down the road had a waterproof, synthetic grease that

Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C

Ludington Yacht Club, along the east shore of L. Michigan has had a very difficult time with water levels this year and last. If the water continues to rise, it will close the club. The docks are floating, but the LYC grounds around the building are flooded. The parking lot has been raised

Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

My 1981 C has a starboard propane tank locker/compartment and a port compartment. The port locker could be used for whatever was convenient -- spare propane tank is one possible use. I keep cleaning supplies and pee bottle. It is such a simple locker that it seems unlikely to have been an

Re: Stus-List wire-to-rope vs rope

Joe -- When I purchased the 1981 C in late 2017 it had what was likely original halyards -- wire to rope halyards -- main and jib. I purchased a new wire rope main halyard for the start of 2018 because the sheave setup required wire. I replaced the jib with all line the beginning of 2018.

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Dripless shaft seal for 35 mkIII

Lots of opinions abundantly expressed previously regarding pros and cons of dripless vs stuffing box. As for installation of dripless, those who have dripless might help Joe out? I replaced everything -- coupling, shaft, dripless, cutlass bearing. The shaft and coupling need to be machined at

Stus-List Re: 4 pointed star vector file?

Hi Dave, I just put new stars and diamonds on this spring -- ordered from New Holland: http://hollandmarine.com/ Click on "C Parts" and scroll down. The set is a little pricey, but nice to just peel and stick. I did not use the outline of the stars. Before ordering I sent them a sample of

Stus-List Re: Leaking rudder shaft

My 81 CnC34 has no seals or any evidence that there was or could be. The water-tightness depends on the Delrin or nylon washer being a flush fit to the SS surface of the fitting bolted to the cockpit floor and the nut being snugged down. I wonder if there isn't some defect or other issue with

Stus-List Re: Leaking rudder shaft

John and Maryann, I have an 81 cnc34 and have never noticed water coming in at the rudder shaft but now i will look more closely. This spring before launch i removed the nut and washer to inspect due to some movement and "groaning" in heavier weather. I put a bit of waterproof grease on washer

Stus-List Re: Rod rigging question

Hi Matt, Can you provide a photo? "Nick" is very subjective and can be benign or serious. Depends on depth, direction of the flaw, etc. Put something in the photo for scale. Jeff Laman 81 C Harmony Ludington, MI From: Matthew via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday,

Stus-List Re: Where to start with a gradually stiffening rudder? [C 34]

Hi Andrew, I have a 1981 C so not certain if we have the same rudder shaft arrangement, but I'll explain what I have and you can have a look at yours. A friend has a 1981 C and his setup is the same. Crawl back below the cockpit to the rudder shaft and look for a grease cup on the rudder

Stus-List Re: Old Harken Roller II

Hi Todd -- I also have a C and had the same problem with the wire halyard, but my halyard was new. If your situation is as mine, the luff of your head sail is too short and the swivel of the furler needs to go higher. I did the same as you when I kept getting halyard wraps and saw that the

Stus-List Re: Removing lettering

Neil, Get the 3M wheel for sure. It works great. I have used this many times on boats and cars. You don't need to get a solvent as there should not be any residual adhesive. It all comes off. I replaced the "HARMONY" on my transom this spring due to fading. Took 10 minutes to remove the

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

Thought this was a C sailboat list? Jeff Laman 1981 C Harmony Ludington, MI From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats Joe, Thanks. We’ve looked at quite

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

I may be moving to your area, in a few years, if all goes well! -- Original Message -- From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" To: Stus-List Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 + Thought this wa

Stus-List Re: Leaving interior Teak natural?

Another vote for Old English lemon oil. IMO teak is not intended to be urethaned or any of the other. Just sets you up for more maintenance, stripping, scraping, etc, which is contrary to using teak in the first place. Oil 2x each summer and looks like new. Wipe off excess and no dirt

Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free

19, 2021 at 10:31 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi all -- I have been following this integral hydraulic backstay adjuster discussion with interest as my NavTec - 10 just gave up and leaked all its fluid about a month ago. My adjuster is a &qu

Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free

Hi all -- I have been following this integral hydraulic backstay adjuster discussion with interest as my NavTec - 10 just gave up and leaked all its fluid about a month ago. My adjuster is a "Series 6" according to NavTec, manufactured in the early 80s. NavTec does not make the seal kit

Stus-List Re: Hydraulic backstay adjuster pressure?

nk I would have been happy to have a relief valve set for 3K. Seems anything over that and you would be pulling the boat away from the front of your keel. I do like SailTec, and that unit is a great piece. Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-li

Stus-List Re: Hydraulic backstay adjuster pressure?

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Stus-List Re: Hydraulic backstay adjuster pressure?

Hi All. Also wanted to comment on the pressure question. As I noted in my post about the NavTec - 10 failure, I have been examining all the issues that I more or less ignored or was happily ignorant of till now. One item was to determine the yield and breaking load on my backstay and

Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free

In my case, the boat was on the hard all winter. I checked on it in mid-March and saw more than the normal leaked oil at the base. The backstay was not as snug as I would have liked so I gave the adjuster a few pulls, backstay tightened, and I left. Two weeks later, oil all over the cockpit

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free

to the backstay and have it normally at full length to give you a lot of slack to take up. I really like my mechanical adjuster, it seems utterly bulletproof. I have no idea if they are still made. Joe From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:17 AM To: Stus

Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free

I have never taken a hydraulic backstay adjuster apart so have no firsthand knowledge of whether an adjuster is similar to a tractor hydraulic system or not. Surely the principle is the same. All I can go by is what I am told by marina repair technicians that I trust. The guys at Toressen

Stus-List Re: filling holes in coachtop

If deck is cored, I suggest using penetrating epoxy, not thickened. The penetrating epoxy will soak into the core and there will be much lower propability of air bubbles in the fill. Leave the top of the hole about 1/16" low from deck then finish with gel coat. Jeff L.

Stus-List Re: filling holes in coachtop

Just tape the hole. Get Outlook for Android From: Dave S via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 2:53:29 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Dave S Subject: Stus-List Re: filling holes in coachtop 100%, + mask over the top before you countersink.

Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box

Hello all, From time to time this discussion of stuffing box vs PSS dripless comes up and catastrophic failure is typically mentioned. Has anyone on this list experienced a PSS catastrophic failure (that is the fault of PSS) or have direct knowledge of someone who did? Installed PSS 4 years

Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box

Let's exclude power boats -- an entirely different environment and demand on the hardware. Jeff L. From: WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 8:49 AM To: Steve Thomas via CnC-List Cc: WILLIAM WALKER Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box I

Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

C Listers, I have only been casually following this thread, but just a short comment. My pedestal bolts are SS and in fresh water of L. Mich. Might have been PO who replaced? No issues. Aluminum is actually a very reactive metal. This is a good discussion for a chemist, but if exposed to

Stus-List Re: Garboard

Do it! I and a friend both installed garboard drains spring 2020 on C and C As we both live several hours drive from boats in winter we had to impose on others to climb aboard in winter to check bilge and pump out periodically. Pain. Now, worry free and boat is very dry. Place a length of

Stus-List Re: engine oil amount

Had similar issue on my Yanmar 3GM. I attached a 15" piece of copper tubing to the end of the plastic tubing. Problem solved and extracted all the oil. Get Outlook for Android From: John Christopher via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, October 31,

Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

Second the garboard drain! There have been discussions in the past on this, but there is no easier, cheaper, peace of mind project. Jeff Laman 81 CnC34 Harmony Ludington, MICHIGAN Get Outlook for Android From: Paul Hood via CnC-List

Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing.

I second the sealing with butyl. Do NOT use silicone or 4200. The epoxy idea may be ok, but messy and no going back. "Beefing up" the plates wont do any harm but isn't necessary. These plates effectively protect the sealant. That's it. Check the balsa core around the penetration. Depending on

Stus-List Re: Keel wobble

I couldn't let this note pass as I believe, as an engineer myself, there is some misunderstanding presented regarding the differences between engineers, architects, and trades and a confusion of terminology. There are of course superstars and incompetents in every professional field. But,

Stus-List Re: Keel wobble

Hah! I love it! From: Don Kern via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:39 PM To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Cc: Don Kern Subject: Stus-List Re: Keel wobble Jeff I guess you have the Knack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8vHhgh6oM0<https://na

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Hello all, I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion. If there has been, my apologies. It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

winches is very difficult. I need to look into new winches for sure. From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:59 PM To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C I second Charlie's points about

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

www.hoytsailing.com From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C Hello all, I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new primary winches for C

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Nathan, Thanks for this data point! I wish it were possible to test run some winches before buying -- hah! ST50 seems large, but better a little large than two small. Jeff From: Nathan Post via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM To: Stus-List

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

. Brian From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:25 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Jeffrey A. Laman Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C Mike, Thanks for the data point. The two boats are very similar. I don't think Lewmar makes a 43 anymore. I

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Nathan, Nice winches! Thanks for the input. A power ratio of 50 would certainly ease the effort. As I mentioned in my other response, it seems a good cleaning, greasing, and inspection of wear might be in order first. Jeff From: Nathan Post via CnC-List Sent:

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

Mike and others who have provided valuable input, This information on electric is very useful. I wasn't intending to purchase electric in any case due to cost. I went to boat this afternoon. Ashamed to say I did not even know what size the existing winches are. They are Lewmar/England 42ST,

Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

time so the other is there for a guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any special tools. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List

Stus-List Re: winter storage

Aluminum coefficient of thermal expansion is about 13e-6 and SS about 6.5e-6. If the mast from keel to head is 50 ft, and temp change is 100 degrees F mast contracts about 3/4" and stays, which are shorter but angled, contract about 5/16". So, effectively, the temperature loosens the stays for

Stus-List Re: winter storage

Leave it. I assume you are concerned about creep of the rods? If so, any metal creep under load occurs in the very early stages. Regardless, the at rest load on the rigging is not at a level to cause any measurable creep Jeff Laman 81 C Ludington, Mi Get Outlook for

Stus-List Re: Adding a second house battery

This is how my C is set up and how it came when I bought it. I added charger, with 2 bank capacity. One side of the charger gets the two house, and the other side of the charger goes to start. Works fine. But, as noted, charging the house takes a longer. I have debated whether to do away

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Insurance... what is to much?

Boat insurance is always a lively topic on the list! I have resisted participating, but wanted to offer a few more philosophical type thoughts. As all of us know, getting insurance quotes for anything -- car, house, boat, life, will result in a very wide range of premiums. Usually, the

Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

Dave, I am curious how your soft shackle is installed and why that hasn't solved your problem. After attaching sheets with a soft shackle a couple years ago, I have not had a single hangup. Jeff Laman 81C Harmony Ludington, MI From: David Knecht via CnC-List

Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

Protective tubes wouldn't matter. I use one soft shackle, 1/4" that attaches both sheets. If 2 shackles are used, same size since both sheets never pull at same time. The stopper knot on shackle has to be on outside, away from shrouds. No problems with 135 or 155. Get Outlook for

Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

Point of correction I think. If each sheet is attached with its own shackle, no size reduction. The force is same because only one sheet pulls at a time. Get Outlook for Android From: Novabraid via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022

Stus-List Re: Cost to replace UV cover

I made a headsail sock several years ago for a PY26 for about $100. Bought long and short zipper and some acrylic fabric. Zip up to sheets and zip long zipper as hoist sock. This sock was needed to protect a nice, lightweight genoa that had the heavy Sunbrella uv protection removed due to

Stus-List Re: C 34 Winch replacement

Rick -- lots of very good information! My 2 cent addition to the conversation. My 81 C hasself tailing Lewmar 42s for primary. They work fine, but as I get older, it gets more difficult to drive and winch when I go out alone. I lift weights over the winter so I can still do it -- great

Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing - now sealants in general

My experience also. Butyl. Another observation -- some have posted that they plan to wrap a chainplate in wax paper and cast it in epoxy. This is not a good scheme as now your sealant is hard epoxy. Water will wick down the joint. Leave a 1/8" to 1/4" gap around anything that penetrates the

Stus-List Re: Its a Freakin' Lancer !!!!

Thank you Mike. Time to put this conversation to bed and move on to topics of importance. Jeff Laman. Get Outlook for Android From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 8:34:37 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject:

Stus-List Re: Rotella T5 - 10w30 vs 15w40?

I spoke with Yanmar about this issue a couple years ago. The Yanmar tech sent me a screen shot of the service manual. I can't figure out how to do a link here and can't past the screen shot, but this is the info: Service Categories Use an engine oil the meets or exceeds the following

Stus-List Re: Partially furling the genoa when racing

David, Reefing the genoa on a furler is routine where I sail and race. I reef my main first, then reef my 135 second. Typically when wind is about 15mph+ I keep about 5 winds on the furler, making the headsail about 110. My luff is foam and will keep the sail shape decent up to about the 5

Stus-List Re: Glow plugs

For what it's worth -- another data point on glow plugs. I had a 2003 VW Golf TDI 1.9L (Turbo Direct Injection) and drove it 200k miles. The glow plugs had to be replaced at 80k and 160k. A good reading was 1 ohm. The plugs all went together both times (probably) and the car was very

Stus-List Re: Partially furling the genoa when racing

David, Just by chance I was looking today at the website of a local professional photographer and discovered this photo of my boat from 2020 -- my covid isolating solo sailing year. This photo shows my 135 genoa reefed much farther than usual, but it was a very blowy day and I was solo. Can't

Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

Korbey, Try filling the rudder shaft tube full of waterproof grease. Most recommend "Green Grease" but I have been using "Corrosion Block Waterproof Grease" (it's blue...). My 81 C has a grease cup, but I and others have added a grease fitting to the cup to pump the tube full. I just did

Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

WJRs%3D=0> ____ From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 12:15:10 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble Had same thoughts. Grease is easy place to start and he has never greased, so way past time. If that doesn't resolve wobble, then in

Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

Crawl back to where you see the rudder shaft. Sorry I don't have a photo. Others will I am sure. Where steel rudder shaft is enclosed in the fiberglass hull, or shaft tube, you should find a grease cap on the forward side. Looks a little bigger than a soda bottle cap and is metal. Remove the

Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

Had same thoughts. Grease is easy place to start and he has never greased, so way past time. If that doesn't resolve wobble, then inspect rudder for irregularities, cutless bearing and shaft, propeller, etc. He'll have to haul boat for all that. Could look at shaft, coupler, and seal from

Stus-List Re: Leather wheel cover

Bob and others, I did the same as Bob -- bought a 300 ft spool of Paracord, navy blue to match canvas, and French whipped the entire wheel in one sitting. Added a Turks head knot at the top. Took me 6 hours on a windless afternoon, cost me some blisters, and a sunburn. But it was worth it. That

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I 170%

Joe, I am interested. What are the dimensions? I have an 81 C with Harken furler. Jeff Laman Get Outlook for Android From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 8:52:21 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Della Barba, Joe

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I 170%

wrote:  Jeff That would likely sheet to the dinghy towed behind your 34 There was a story behind the use of 170 genoas back in the day but I forget what it was Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Sent: November 3, 2022 12:30 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Della

Stus-List Re: Chandleries

Bill, Over the past several years I have found that Wholesale Marine is the lowest price for bottom paint. https://www.wholesalemarine.com/ They typically have a paint sale or rebate offer right about now. I see that VC17 is on sale now. Otherwise, I look around and have used a number of

Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

uesday, January 31, 2023 2:55:05 PM To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Cc: Mack McKinney Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead Thanks, Jeff Can you tell me what the aluminum plates bolted to the half-bulkhead ahead of the nav station is? They seem visible from the settee looki

Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

Mack, I also have an 81C Ditto what Nathan said regarding the SS tabs. No issues on my boat. Do check chain plates, however, all the way down to plywood knee behind settee. Also check around SS tabs at top of forward bulkheads. After 42 years, there will have been leaks somewhere. Jeff Laman 81

Stus-List C Yanmar 3GM 20hp Exhaust Elbow

Hello Yanmar 3GM owners, I need to replace the U-type mixing elbow and exhaust elbow assembly on my 3GM 20hp. If this topic has been discussed here previously, my apologies -- I attempted a search of the archives but not sure I am conducting the search correctly. There seems to be debate about

Stus-List Re: C Yanmar 3GM 20hp Exhaust Elbow

asting for the elbow made by Barr. It's much more compact than a SS aftermarket elbow would be. Parts should arrive in a few days. I may get some SS nipples for it, if they're not too pricey. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis On 07/16/2023 7:12 PM EDT Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List

Stus-List Re: pipe dope for Exhaust Riser

I will be very interested in this discussion as I plan to replace my exhaust riser assembly soon. I recently had a propane gas line installed in my house and the technician cringed at the telfon tape used on the existing pipe. Not the same thing of course, but never would have expected teflon

Stus-List Re: Dead Battery Charger

As mentioned below, depends on what you need and how you use power. You can spend many hundreds of dollars, even thousands for lithium, inverter etc, or less than a hundred. I have all LED lights and don't often get far from home slip and shore power. I have a two bank, 4 amp/bank charger and

Stus-List Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements

My fuel gage never worked. Last year the 42-yr-old aluminum tank sprung a leak. Replaced with plastic tank that is translucent. No need for a gage any more. Just look at the tank. 100% accurate. If your aluminum tank is 40-yrs-old, maybe preemptively replace it? It will leak eventually and

Stus-List Re: Question and Report

Aging and leaking aluminum fuel tanks is an excellent topic! Boats, even fresh water, that are 40 or more years old are very likely to experience aluminum fuel tank leaks. In my case, the leak started over winter and about 7 gallons of fuel went out my garboard drain onto the ground. Really

Stus-List Re: Winch Sealant suggestions

Butyl is by far the best option. Removal of winch in future will be far easier. Butyl is an excellent sealant. There is no reason to overdo the sealing here anyway. Leaks drip down to bilge without adversely affecting anything. Jeff Laman 1981 C Harmony Ludington, Mich Get Outlook for