Stus-List Water heater mystery

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Danny, not sure I would test that high a pressure. The coolant pressure won't 
be as high as your domestic water pressure. You could pressurize the tank with 
fresh water and test the bypass loop by opening the loop caps if they are 
capped. If the loop leaks it can be easily repaired. But that doesn't deal with 
the original issue of a tripping breaker! Perhaps the element is burned or 
shorted. Maybe the tank is leaking on the thermostat? Lots of things to look 
at. Good luck, Len

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Stus-List Rub rail cleaner

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Does anyone have a good rub rail cleaning product? Acetone doesn't work well. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+

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Stus-List Spreader halyards 37+

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Ron, 
Not sure if you have looked at this option but we have a cylindrical radar 
reflector that is zip tied to the back stay above the split. Causes us no 
grief, it's quiet and works. 
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1989 37+. 

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Stus-List white smoke/steam

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Just a question but couldn't a compression test be done to rule out a head 
gasket issue? 
Len

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Stus-List Sealing fixed port lights 37/40+

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Hi Bruce, 
I had the thin bow end of the fixed light snap or crack vertically while away 
from the dock on vacation. It leaked when it rained and that was when I 
actually noticed the crack. I was able to use a thick layer of clear silicone 
to temporarily stop the leak. I used tape on each side of the crack to provide 
a clean edge while applying the silicone. It worked but it's temporary. You may 
get 18 months out of it but if it started to crack it will continue and you may 
have to completely remove the old silicone and reapply. I am redoing my fixed 
ports this summer. (The south sunny side of the boat cracked first!) Good luck, 
Len
S/V Crazy Legs
1989 37+
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Stus-List Water tank inspection ports

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I was able to source new tank inspection ports in Toronto at Holland Marine 
Products. (HMP) holland marine.com The amount of original and replacement C 
parts Peter has in stock is impressive. There is an online catalogue. If you 
have changed the O rings and just want to caulk the cap, silicone will not seal 
to the plastic tank but I have had good luck in with butyl tape rolled like 
caulk on my holding tank. Not sure if it would contaminate fresh water tanks or 
not! As a side note HMP does plastic welding for new fitting relocation or 
repairs too and no I don't work there, he has solved a few boat problems for me 
over the years. 
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Stus-List Battery test

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Here is one for you electrical guys, my batteries are over 5 years old. I have 
all LED lights, a 240 watt solar panel and modern refrigeration. The batteries 
are working fine but there is no way they are still performing as new. I would 
like to monitor their amp hour capacity as they age. Is there a simple way to 
do it or do I need to take them into a battery shop? 
90 days to launch! 
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Crazy Legs
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Stus-List Water leak

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Bruce, Nice boat! Good luck  with the finalization of your purchase. Your 
plumbing will probably be Quest but from the picture it looks like the manifold 
is actually the problem and I may be wrong it's hard to tell. My manifold was 
made by Gardenia. You could probably use any manifold if you can't find one 
anywhere. Search online you will likely find something. You didn't post where 
you were but sometimes you can get this kind of hardware at an RV supply too. 
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Crazy Legs
1989 37+
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Stus-List Quinte cover

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I have a Quinte canvas winter cover with a rigid aluminum frame made out of 3/4 
aluminum conduit. We have over 3 feet of snowfall so far and the frame 
collapses with heavy or wet snow. Does anyone have experience keeping their 
quinte frame upright? Thinking about zip ties to the lifelines. 
Len
C 37+
Midland On. 

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Stus-List Storing videos while cruising.

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Rick, I have the same issues, you just have to figure out an appropriate 
program to rip the files. I purchased a 1TB WD media player. It plays almost 
any format file and large enough to hold pictures, video and music. I can take 
it anywhere and use HDMI or RCA cord. It may even use WIFI. I don't know if 
they are making a SSD drive but solid state will be faster to load and more 
robust on a boat. 

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Stus-List Freeze Proofing

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Something not mentioned yet: the RV community uses a water heater bypass kit so 
you don't fill up your water heater with plumbing antifreeze. You simply drain 
it. Works great! 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
C 37+

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Stus-List Fastening Jib Sheets

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Soft shackles are a great idea and like Chuck says, a good winter diversion 
project. What length shackle are you guys using? My instinct would be 8 inches 
from loop to knot but shorter is better, would 6 inches work? I will use 3/8 
inch. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs 
C 37+

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Stus-List Battery charger

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Edd, Change your dilithium crystals! 
But seriously, lots of good advice, I would also consider a good quality multi 
meter that you can trust for accurate voltage. I have an Ideal digital multi 
meter that also measures AC & DC amps that you clamp on a single wire. It 
wasn't expensive and I use it everywhere. I guess I don't trust all the gadgets 
we have on board and some of the old equipment is non digital. You can use it 
for continuity and other diagnostics. Nigel Calder's book on marine electrical 
is worth a look if you don't have it. He simplifies it, my favourite tool is a 
hammer and vice grips run a close second!
Len
89 37+ Crazy Legs 
Midland On. 

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Stus-List Nova kool

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Tom, As long as you didn't defrost with a sharp knife and the compressor fan is 
clean it should run well (unless the board is fried). Mine had a leak and it 
only takes about 1.1 ounces to refill and it's easily over filled so best to 
vacuum out and weigh the new charge in. Like Josh says check wiring too. I was 
able to refill mine and install a new computer fan to get a couple more years 
out of it but replaced it with a new unit this summer. The new unit is modern 
refrigerant and has an adjustable output. It uses less power too. The old one 
was 1990s vintage and used R12 which isn't environmentally friendly. If you can 
send it to nova kool for a cheap rebuild, it may last longer than fixing it 
yourself but you can't keep bending the copper tubing. If your compressor is 
located where mine is under the aft cabin wet locker, you need to lose the heat 
and cold beer is important! IMHO installing a new unit is 10x the cost of 
repairing the old one but well worth it. Ask yourself what you w
 ould do if it was in your own kitchen at home. It doesn't owe you anything by 
now and you can't buy parts for that vintage any longer. I think it was 1100$ 
CDN so what's that $15 USD? Lol. 
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1989 37+
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Stus-List 37+ Etobicoke

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X 2 what Tom said! If it's been in fresh water since 88 it's probably been 
lightly used because of our colder climate and no salt water on the hardware. 
With a solar panel it looks like it's been cruised. 50k USD is a great price. 
Our boat is splashed in May and comes out next week. Only way to know for sure 
is a close up look! 

But I am jaded too. 
Len
Crazy Legs
Midland On
1989 37+

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Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

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Ryan, The 81 36KCB is a great boat. I had one for 10 years. It's about 4 foot 2 
inch draft despite what the C brochure said. Sails well with board up if 
necessary. You will need to seal the cast iron board specially in salt water, I 
would get a bigger wheel (42) and install spinnaker winches. It sailed well and 
would go anywhere. I've sailed a 29 and a 30-1 both great boats but they lack 
interior space the 36 has. You will find it a lot stiffer than the 30. That's a 
great price if it's in good condition. You would sail past a lot of new 36 and 
bigger boats if racing. The older C will last forever if kept well. 36KCB 
would make a great boat for the Bahamas too! 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
89 37+
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Stus-List C refrigeration

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Adam, I had a 1981 36KCB and the compressor was mounted on the upper shelf in 
the lazerette behind the ice box. It would help to add a vent to the outside at 
the rear of the lazerette to lose the heat generated. I had the atomic 4 so a 
little different configuration. FWIW I had a nova cool CDN fridge unit and just 
installed a new one in my current boat. Easy job. 
Len 
Crazy Legs
37+

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Stus-List Stantion bases

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I prefer HMP in Toronto if possible for C parts like stantions and bases. 
They answer the phone every time and send what you need by mail. I am 
constantly surprised by what original parts they have in stock. I found they 
had a plastic holding tank for my 1989 37+. Good service too. 
www.hollandmarine.com
There is an online catalogue and the price is fairly competitive or maybe I 
should use relatively competitive. Good luck. 
Len

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Stus-List Danforth Anchor

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Gary, You probably already know this but the Danforth has some pretty serious 
limitations. I think you would be OK holding your dinghy with a 20 pounder, if 
it's not windy! 
Sand bottom with no weeds, chain and a long rode. I learned the hard way and I 
couldn't sleep on the hook until I bought a better anchor (on a previous boat). 
Just be careful relying on it. I hope it's a second or third anchor. 
Len 
1989 37+
Crazy Legs
Midland On

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Stus-List Yzl

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Stus-List Bulkhead repair

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If the rot is a small area you may be able to use a product like Git Rot to 
deeply penetrate the plywood but then you have to epoxy the outside near the 
tabbing then re-attach the tabbing. If it's a big area you need to remove the 
bulkhead and replace it. I have never seen more than a two inch wide rot area. 
Is it worse than that? I have had success repairing a small area at the bottom 
of that bulkhead in a C 36 anyway and it doesn't cost much or take long to 
try it. 
Len


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Stus-List Oberdorfer pumps/Universal Engine Parts

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I used Anthony Keats Marine in Wheatley Ontario for Universal engine parts. 
They usually had stock and were great to deal with if that helps anyone. I had 
Oberdorfer parts delivered to my door in a day or two. 
Len 

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Stus-List Boom Fittings

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Josh, My 1989 37+ has two ropes that go through the boom and to the coach roof 
led aft to the winches and a rams horn hook on the front of the boom. The two 
ropes go to each reef point on the leech and I use a line stopper knot (figure 
of eight) to secure. I let off halyard tension, hook the Rams horn to the 
appropriate reef point and tighten the appropriate reef rope. Then re-tension 
the halyard and we are done. The sail has a nice shape like a footless main and 
no need to wrap the freshly painted boom or fuss with the stack pack. Check to 
see if your boom has the extra sheaves. Len 

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 123, Issue 40

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>   2.  Boom fittings for reefing attachments (Josh Muckley)
>   3. Re:  Boom fittings for reefing attachments (Paul Baker)
>   4. Re:  Boom fittings for reefing attachments (Josh Muckley)
>   5. Re:  Ground loop? (Della Barba, Joe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:07:21 -0400
> From: "Richard N. Bush" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Lake Michigan Rendezvous
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> Jon, if the rendezvous looks like its going to happen, please keep us up to 
> speed, like Ron over in Missouri,  I'm too  for to come by boat , but would 
> be willing to drive to the eventwe went to the Mystic Seaport rendezvous 
> in 2014 and enjoyed it very much (but it sure was a long drive)!  Thanks  
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> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 596
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> Richard N. Bush 
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Stus-List Lake Michigan Randevous
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> As member of Muskegon Yacht Club, I would be happy to make any and all 
> arrangements for a randevous at MYC if there is sufficient interest. Just 
> step up and let me know what the level of interest is!
> Jon Tasker
> Ghost Rider 
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> MYC
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> Ok guys (& gals),
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> I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to
> rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't
> made with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied
> them with a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little
> apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new
> paint.  So I was toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes
> on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how
> well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It
> also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the
> butt.  I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a
> slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and
> down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to
> lock it in place.  See the attached picture of a slug stop.  I was kinda
> hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope
> track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is
> designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track.  This
> seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height.  The clew
> height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated
> from the boom anyway.
> 
> Anybody have any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh Muckley
> S l/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Diesel heaters

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Steve, I didn't read back too far, did you look at a propane bulkhead 
heater/fireplace? Been sailing GB forever with no special heater. I 
infrequently use a small electric ceramic cube heater at the dock with shore 
power spring and fall but I don't have a bird on board to worry about. Consider 
mosquito and black fly screen in May/June! It's only a degree or two colder 
than Toronto but the bugs are fierce. 

Len Mitchell 
Midland On
Crazy Legs
1989 37+

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Stus-List Diesel heaters

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Steve, I had a 1981 36 and the propane system was installed under the rear 
cockpit seating. Believe it was an 8 or 10 lb bottle but you could also use 5 
lb. The fibre glass seat cover piano hinged up to a cylindrical container that 
was vented out the bottom above the water line with a regulator and a solenoid 
valve. Buy a 25 foot propane hose, power a solenoid with a switch and you are 
in business. Pretty easy to install or have one installed if you build the 
propane locker which is also easy. Many were there from the factory, check out 
early 80s vintage C with propane. At one time West marine had the hardware 
regulator/gauge/solenoid. 

You may like diesel for other reasons but you don't have to rule out propane. 
It's an option. And yes diesel is safer than propane on a boat but not cleaner. 

Len Mitchell
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Crazy Legs 
1989 37+


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Stus-List Acoustic insulation in Canada

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Quite often Holland Marine has acoustic insulation on a big discount at the 
Toronto Boat Show. (Next week!) Your timing may be perfect. 
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Stus-List Bonded Windows

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Gary, Nice write up, thanks! I have the same project to do in April/May. You 
left me with one question. How many tubes of Dow Corning did you need? 
Len Mitchell
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1989 37+
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Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

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Steve, 

We keep Crazy Legs at Midland Bay Sailing Club. About 5 minutes south of Bay 
Moorings by car! I have been sailing out of Midland for at least 20 years. And 
going to the north channel for about 25 years. The north channel is an 
exceptional destination. We brought our boat up by water from Port Credit and 
it was a 5 or 6 day trip. We haven't trucked a boat but will be glad to talk 
Georgian Bay when you get up here.
Len

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Stus-List Winterizing raw water intake

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Edd, I take the intake hose off and stuff a smaller hose in a couple inches and 
re-clamp it. Use electrical tape to make the outside diameter fit whatever 
small hose you have and pull antifreeze remotely. The less permanent 
connections to sea water the better for less leak potential. I use a 2 or 3 
foot piece of beverage hose and place a large antifreeze container on the 
floor. Takes 10 seconds to rig and works every time. Factor the small size of 
the opening in the antifreeze jug with whatever hose size you end up 
installing. My 2 cents: keep it simple. Save your money for racing sails. 
Len

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Stus-List C trademark stripe

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Thanks all. Tape it is! I will try Holland Marine at Ken's suggestion. I am an 
hour north of his store and Peter will even mail it. I should have looked there 
to start with, he has a surprising C OEM inventory. A couple of years ago I 
was able to source an original holding tank and that's not the only part he 
surprised me with. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
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Stus-List C trademark stripe.

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The paint in my recessed stripes and stars is fading and peeling. Anyone have 
success with tape? How long tape will it last in the sun? Where did you get the 
tape? 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+

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Stus-List Mast step 1985 37

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Mike, I don't have the rake specifications for a 1985 37 but it should probably 
be 8-10 inches to aft measured by hanging a weight from the main halyard. A 
wrench will do. Then install your wedges at the collar/blocks at the base and 
tune the mast. The mast will move around to match your adjustment if it's 
loose. I have the original instructions for a 1981 36 and a 1989 37+ if 
necessary but you will likely find them online on the photo album site. If I 
were you and had 10 miles to go with questionable fuel, borrow an inflatable 
(with good fuel) for the trip with about 10hp and guarantee you get there! You 
can cleat it or harness it to the transom and easily push your boat. 

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Stus-List Water tank x connect

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Josh, It may have been the PO's DIY winterizing solution. Our PO had a 
complicated hose system where he pumped air into the head sink faucet to bleed 
the 3 tank water system and piping. 
Just a guess! 
Len Mitchell
1989 37+


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Stus-List Fuel contamination

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It just occurred to me that no one replied with a DIY fuel cleaning method. Has 
anyone built their own polisher? I have considered a two filter system with a 
bypass polisher but haven't had any issues and I don't use much fuel either. 

It isn't complicated in theory. 
Len
Crazy Legs
1989 37+

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Stus-List Hot water tank

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I am still chuckling with all the math you guys are doing. The big question I 
have is: where will you store your spinnaker(s) if you start using your shower? 
Haha can you tell I sail in fresh water! 
Len

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Stus-List Universal panel wiring

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For what it's worth and if you like to read, www.c34.org (Catalina 34 owners 
forum) has some good information on universal Diesel engines  wiring. It isn't 
all appropriate to our CCs but worth a look. Some common problems. Some wiring 
diagrams. Cheers,
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs 
Midland On
1989 37+

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Stus-List CC 30 Mk1 mast height

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David, A quick check of the brochure says 42 feet 6 inches from the waterline. 
Wind instruments not included! 
Len


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Stus-List 37+ prop and boat speed

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Ron, This thread is interesting in that most of you are in salt water, I am in 
fresh. I have the universal M35 with a 2 blade max prop and at 2500 RPMs I get 
6.8 knots (GPS) with VC17 bottom paint. The max prop is adjustable and there 
are lots of other variables. Cheers,
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+ 

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Stus-List 37+ below deck auto pilot

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Gary, I have a below deck auto pilot installed and will forward pictures next 
time I am at the boat. It is flawless and Ray Marine. 
Len Mitchell
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1989 37+
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Stus-List Emergency tiller squeeking

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Robert, If the 3 in 1 oil you used stops working, try spray silicone. It's 
supposed to be the best lube for Delrin plastic. It's the same material as the 
ball bearings in roller furlings and WD40 or silicone spray work best there 
too. If it's a long term problem I would get a new bearing machined. It can't 
be that expensive and others have replaced theirs. It would drive me nuts 
listening to a squeek in a quiet anchorage as the rudder moves with waves. 
Len Mitchell 
CC 37+
Midland On

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Stus-List CC 30-1

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Jay, I am 6 feet tall 215# and have been up to the top of a 30-1. No problem. I 
use a climbing harness rather than a bosun's chair. Same price if you don't own 
either, but the harness is 10x more comfortable and has no cotton or canvas to 
get wet and rot. Bowline or double figure of 8 knot and a safety line 
(halyard). Use a messenger line to a bucket for tools and don't forget a 
camera, it's a beautiful perspective (straight down). They say it's the sudden 
stop you have to worry about not the distance you fall, make sure you have 
competence on the winch(s). Have fun!
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
37+

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Stus-List Potable water fittings.

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Josh, The valve on our 37+ was made by Gardenia and its a 4-1 if that helps. (I 
converted the port side fresh water tank to a holding tank for the Great Lakes, 
we have lots of room with two holding tanks.) 
Tom, it hasn't been said yet, and you probably already know but there is a 
Quest compression fitting end that goes on the plastic pipe with a SS ring and 
you can tighten the nut down pretty tight! The nut squeaks all the way tight 
and will take quite a bit of abuse. The plumbing is not in the sunlight and 
will last decades. If I was going to change it up and had a pile of spare cash 
to burn, I would go Pex too. They can use a two wrench snug but not very often. 
RVs have been using it forever too. 
Len
Crazy Legs
1989 37+



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Stus-List Darker smoke harder to start

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Edd, What engine do you have? Mine is a universal and the glow plug(s) wire was 
loose causing longer than normal starting times and a little smoke on start up. 
Tightened the wire on the switch and all is normal.  
Good luck, 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+

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Stus-List Heat exchanger

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Dave, if you try to round out the fittings, I believe it's called a swagging 
tool that should work for you. Hvac tools or maybe plumber or a rad shop. Maybe 
Harbour Freight or whatever that tool chain store is called will have one. 
Good luck. 
Len Mitchell 
CC 37+
Midland On. 

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Stus-List Hillerange

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Does anyone know where I can get a replacement oven gas valve for an older 
Hillerange  model 3121 LPG stove? 
Len Mitchell


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