Re: [CODE4LIB] worldcat discovery versus metadata apis

2016-03-22 Thread Karen Coombs
Eric, WorldCat Metadata API provides read and write API access to the data in WorldCat: bibliographic records, local bibliographic data and basic holdings. WorldCat Discovery API provides access to search WorldCat and OCLC's Central Index of metadata based on a diverse set of indexes. Data is retu

[CODE4LIB] worldcat discovery versus metadata apis

2016-03-22 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
I’m curious. What is the difference between the WorldCat Discovery and WorldCat Metadata APIs? Given an OCLC number, I want to programmatically search WorldCat and get in return a full bibliographic record compete with authoritative subject headings and names. Which API should I be using? — E

[CODE4LIB] "WorldCat Digital Collection Gateway from OCLC.org"

2014-12-03 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
"WorldCat Digital Collection Gateway from OCLC.org" from the 132.174.* subnet used to make regular appearances in my logs, but visits no more. There is a visitor "Apache-HttpClient/4.0.1 (java 1.5)" from a similar subnet. If this is a renaming, it's not an improvement. cheers stuart -- ...let us

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat knowledge base API Workshop on 10/29

2013-10-23 Thread Hostetler,Shelley
The OCLC Developer Network is offering a free webinar Tuesday, Oct 29 at 11am EDT featuring Jeff Carter and Brian Cassidy from the University of New Brunswick. They'll show their eResources discovery and eBooks search interfaces built using the WorldCat knowledge base API and then take us behind

[CODE4LIB] worldcat metadata api webinar

2013-08-16 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
>From a different list I learned of the following WorldCat metadata API >webinar, and I thought some of us over here maybe interested too. From the >description: The WorldCat Metadata API supports a variety of cataloging functionality for libraries to catalog their collections in WorldCat

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat API - myTags

2013-06-06 Thread Roy Tennant
Arash, I don't believe this functionality currently exists, but I've passed on your desire to those in a position to do something about it. Thanks, Roy On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Arash.Joorabchi wrote: > Hi all, > > > > When viewing a work's metadata on WorldCat.org website, in the tag > sec

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat API - myTags

2013-06-06 Thread Arash.Joorabchi
Hi all, When viewing a work's metadata on WorldCat.org website, in the tag section of the page you are given the option to add new tags after logging in with your (free) account. I was wondering if there is a WorldCat api to do this from within my Java code. Thanks, Arash

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Ben Companjen
Those are smart words! Can I quote them? :P Regards, Ben On 4-6-2013 1:40, stuart yeates wrote: On 04/06/13 11:18, Karen Coyle wrote: Ta da! That did it, Kyle. Why on earth do we all them "smart quotes" ?! Because they look damn sexy when printed on pulp-of-murdered-tree, which we all know

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread stuart yeates
On 04/06/13 11:18, Karen Coyle wrote: Ta da! That did it, Kyle. Why on earth do we all them "smart quotes" ?! Because they look damn sexy when printed on pulp-of-murdered-tree, which we all know is authoritative form of any communication. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Ser

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Ta da! That did it, Kyle. Why on earth do we all them "smart quotes" ?! kc On 6/3/13 4:07 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: Just for the heck of it, I tried copying and pasting and got the same error. There were smart quotes on the web page. Turn those into regular single or double quotes and it works f

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Richard Wallis
Works fine for me too Karen - even on dubious hotel wifi. ~Richard On 3 June 2013 15:55, Tom Johnson wrote: > I also get a good response from that, Karen. > > I've seen this error in the past when DNS doesn't resolve. Possibly you're > having connectivity issues. > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Tom Johnson
I also get a good response from that, Karen. I've seen this error in the past when DNS doesn't resolve. Possibly you're having connectivity issues. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: > What you've provided looks like it will work. My money is that the quotes > and/or hyphens a

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Kyle Banerjee
What you've provided looks like it will work. My money is that the quotes and/or hyphens aren't legit due to the copy/paste operation. Manually typing at the prompt should work just fine. kyle On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > Probably something I'm doing wrong, since I'm j

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Probably something I'm doing wrong, since I'm just copying and pasting, but the command from the blog post: curl -L -H "Accept: text/turtle" http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/41266045 gets me: curl: (6) Could not resolve host: text; nodename nor servname provided, or not known kc On 6/3/13 12:0

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Ethan Gruber
+1 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Richard Wallis < richard.wal...@dataliberate.com> wrote: > The Linked Data for the millions of resources in WorldCat.org is now > available as RDF/XML, JSON-LD, Turtle, and Triples via content-negotiation. > > Details: > > http://dataliberate.com/2013/06/conten

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat Implements Content-Negotiation for Linked Data

2013-06-03 Thread Richard Wallis
The Linked Data for the millions of resources in WorldCat.org is now available as RDF/XML, JSON-LD, Turtle, and Triples via content-negotiation. Details: http://dataliberate.com/2013/06/content-negotiation-for-worldcat/ ~Richard.

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat Statistics (Roy, et al.)

2012-12-21 Thread Karen Coyle
Roy, and any other OCLC-ites here, is there an update to the numbers in the 2001 article on WorldCat Works, or is that data relatively easily obtainable? [1] At that time, the article reported: Manifestations (records)46,767,913 Works32,000,000 Average number of Works per Manifestation

Re: [CODE4LIB] worldcat api

2012-07-17 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
Terry, wonderful and thank you. Given an OCLC number, I am using the following Perl code to extract call numbers from the WorldCat Classify service. The result is tab-delimited output of OCLC numbers and call numbers and/or error messages. --ELM #!/usr/bin/perl # call_numbers.pl - given OCLC

Re: [CODE4LIB] worldcat api

2012-07-17 Thread Karen Coombs
17, 2012 8:07 AM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] worldcat api > >> If so, then given an OCLC number is it possible get an LCCN ^h^h^h^ Library >> of Congress call number, and if so, then how? > > Oops! I know I can get an LCCN. Given an OCLC number, what I need is a > Library of Congress call number. --Earache

Re: [CODE4LIB] worldcat api

2012-07-17 Thread Reese, Terry
: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Lease Morgan Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] worldcat api > If so, then given an OCLC number is it possible get an LCCN ^h^h^h^ Library > of Congress call number,

Re: [CODE4LIB] worldcat api

2012-07-17 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
> If so, then given an OCLC number is it possible get an LCCN ^h^h^h^ Library > of Congress call number, and if so, then how? Oops! I know I can get an LCCN. Given an OCLC number, what I need is a Library of Congress call number. --Earache

[CODE4LIB] worldcat api

2012-07-17 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
Is it true that the WorldCat API consistently does not return call numbers when accessed via the following sort of URL: http://www.worldcat.org/webservices/catalog/content/464597226?wskey=[key] If so, then given an OCLC number is it possible get an LCCN, and if so, then how? If not, then I'm

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-13 Thread Karen Coyle
pretty new and getting more tools to support it will help. Jeff -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:16 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search A

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-13 Thread Young,Jeff (OR)
m: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of > Karen Coyle > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:16 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API > > Ross, it might not be yahoo, but that doesn't mean I k

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-13 Thread Ross Singer
Try using: http://foolip.org/microdatajs/live/ To parse/visualize the data since I'm not sure how much RDFa is actually implemented. I agree that the double angle brackets are probably a bug. The perils of shoving this stuff into a non-displaying div. -Ross. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:15 PM, K

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Ross, it might not be yahoo, but that doesn't mean I know what it is. The pyRDFa utility returns garbage for RDF/XML and TTL, but not for JSON. It's only in the JSON output that I am getting any bibliographic data. The other two send me back a bunch of links to css files. I guess this is good n

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-12 Thread Ross Singer
Ok, the Pipe didn't quite work as planned. Yahoo! is stripping out all of the relevant html attributes when it's converting the WC microdata html to a string, which renders the whole thing useless. If I don't convert it to a string, it maintains all of the necessary attributes in the JSON output,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-12 Thread Ross Singer
I made a Yahoo Pipe that merges the WorldCat Basic OpenSearch RSS result with the microdata div in the Worldcat pages referred to in the search results: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=05ae2a7bc180f3abe36b11bcaf1adc52 You'll need to enter your wskey for it to work. You can get the out

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-12 Thread Karen Coyle
It isn't unfortunate, it was deliberate. I have a key for the basic api, but I was being advised that I had overlooked the obvious answer of the worldcat search API. I have no confusion between the two, except for the confusion that seems to be promulgated by OCLC itself. kc On 7/12/12 9:46

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-12 Thread Karen Coombs
Karen, Unfortunately it looks like you requested a key for the WorldCat Search API which does have specific eligibility criteria. The WorldCat Basic API which Ross mentions is available to anyone - http://www.oclc.org/developer/services/worldcat-basic-api It allows you to do an OpenSearch keyword

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-12 Thread Ross Singer
Well, I got the same email today when I apparently clicked on the wrong link (in the wrong account) while looking for my existing WC Basic API WSKEY (seriously, OCLC, the developer site is *terrible* with regards to usability). That said, here are the steps to get a WC Basic API WSKEY: Log in (or

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-12 Thread Karen Coyle
On 7/10/12 5:07 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: On 7/10/12 4:02 PM, Richard Wallis wrote: But is it available to everyone, and is the data retrieved also usable as ODC-BY by any member of the Web public? Yes it is, and at this stage it is only available from within a html page. The "it" I was refe

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-11 Thread Ross Singer
Every entry has a http://worldcat.org/oclc/{oclcnumber}"/> that will take you to the schema.org. -Ross. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > That only returns a "short citation" but nothing says how short that > citation is, nor if it is formatted. I assume that "citation" means

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-11 Thread Karen Coyle
That only returns a "short citation" but nothing says how short that citation is, nor if it is formatted. I assume that "citation" means citation format, which isn't useful. kc On 7/10/12 7:32 PM, Ross Singer wrote: Worldcat does have the "basic" API, which is "more" "open" (assuming your sit

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Ross Singer
Worldcat does have the "basic" API, which is "more" "open" (assuming your situation qualifies). At any rate, it's free and open to (non-commercial) non-subscribers. http://oclc.org/developer/documentation/worldcat-basic-api/using-api Searching isn't terribly sophisticated, but might suit your nee

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Karen Coyle
On 7/10/12 4:02 PM, Richard Wallis wrote: But is it available to everyone, and is the data retrieved also usable as ODC-BY by any member of the Web public? Yes it is, and at this stage it is only available from within a html page. The "it" I was referring to was the API. Roy is telling me tha

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Richard Wallis
On 10 July 2012 23:13, Karen Coyle wrote: > On 7/10/12 2:10 PM, Roy Tennant wrote: > >> Uh...what? For the given use case you would be much better off simply >> using the WorldCat Search API response. Using it only to retrieve an >> identifier and then going and scraping the Linked Data out of a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Karen Coyle
On 7/10/12 2:10 PM, Roy Tennant wrote: Uh...what? For the given use case you would be much better off simply using the WorldCat Search API response. Using it only to retrieve an identifier and then going and scraping the Linked Data out of a WorldCat.org page is, at best, redundant. I do not co

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Karen Coyle
I think we have a catch-22 here. You need an OCLC developer license to use WC to "discover" WC URIs using an application; you need WC URIs (or other URIs that are not very diffuse on the Web) to make use of the OCLC linked data. The OCLC linked data is ODC-BY for anyone wishing to use the data,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Kevin Ford
Does the worldcat search api return the data as described with the schema.org and OCLC extension vocabularies? The use case mentioned extracting the RDFa data from those pages. Without knowing the answer to the leading question above, the mock solution addressed that condition. If one simply

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Roy Tennant
Uh...what? For the given use case you would be much better off simply using the WorldCat Search API response. Using it only to retrieve an identifier and then going and scraping the Linked Data out of a WorldCat.org page is, at best, redundant. As Richard pointed out, some use cases -- like the on

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Kevin Ford
The use case clarifies perfectly. Totally feasible. Well, I should say "totally feasible" with the caveat that I've never used the Worldcat Search API. Not letting that stop me, so long as it is what I imagine it is, then a developer should be able to perform a search, retrieve the response,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Richard Wallis
Karen, RDFa and the basic schema.org vocabulary, plus the intention of the proposed library extension, are not OCLC specific - they are generic tools and techniques applicable across many domains. I would therefore avoid library focussed tool sites, which would run the risk of not keeping up with

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Karen Coyle
Kevin, if you misunderstand then I undoubtedly haven't been clear (let's at least share the confusion :-)). Here's the use case: PersonA wants to create a comprehensive bibliography of works by AuthorB. The goal is to do a search on AuthorB in WorldCat and extract the RDFa data from those page

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Kevin Ford
As for someone who might want to do this programmatically, he/she should take a look at the "Programming languages" section of the second link I sent along: http://schema.rdfs.org/tools.html There one can find Ruby, Python, and Java extractors and parsers capable of outputting RDF. A develop

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks, Roy. I obviously never got there, but will visit in the future. kc On 7/10/12 12:57 PM, Roy Tennant wrote: Also, my colleague wishes me to point out that the email address and phone number of any OCLC staff member is only two clicks away from our home page. Go to "Contact us" which is a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Richard Wallis
Hi Karen At this stage there is no specific api as such to get at the embedded RDFa data in WorldCat - you can use the normal UI of WorldCat itself or one of the WorldCat Search API options such as OpenSearch. This experimen

Re: [CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Roy Tennant
Also, my colleague wishes me to point out that the email address and phone number of any OCLC staff member is only two clicks away from our home page. Go to "Contact us" which is an option along the top on every page, then "Contact OCLC Staff" which is in the sidebar and also a link on the page as

[CODE4LIB] Worldcat schema.org & search API

2012-07-10 Thread Karen Coyle
I have demonstrated the schema.org/RDFa microdata in the WC database to various folks and the question always is: how do I get access to this? (The only source I have is the Facebook API, me being a "user" rather than a "maker".) The microdata is CC-BY once you get a Worldcat URI, but is there

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-22 Thread Arash.Joorabchi
, Arash -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Simon Spero Sent: 22 May 2012 19:47 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set Arash - you might not

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-22 Thread Simon Spero
ercial use license agreement. > > > > Regards, > > Arash > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of > Karen Coombs > > Sent: 17 May 2012 08:37 > > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > >

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-19 Thread Roy Tennant
IB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen > Coombs > Sent: 17 May 2012 08:37 > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without > a DDC no from the result set > > I forwarded this thread to the Product Manager for the Wor

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-18 Thread Ross Singer
n Behalf Of Karen > Coombs > Sent: 17 May 2012 08:37 > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without > a DDC no from the result set > > I forwarded this thread to the Product Manager for the WorldCat Search > A

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-18 Thread Arash.Joorabchi
Behalf Of Karen Coombs Sent: 17 May 2012 08:37 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set I forwarded this thread to the Product Manager for the WorldCat Search API. She responded back that unfortunately

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-17 Thread Karen Coombs
anks, > > Arash > > > > > > From: Houghton,Andrew [mailto:hough...@oclc.org] > Sent: 16 May 2012 11:58 > To: Arash.Joorabchi > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records > without a DDC no from the result se

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-16 Thread Arash.Joorabchi
o:srw/diagnostic/1/9 Meaning: Details: Message: Not enough chars in truncated term:Truncated words too short(9) Thanks, Arash From: Houghton,Andrew [mailto:hough...@oclc.org] Sent: 16 May 2012 11:58 To: Arash.Joorabchi Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Wor

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-16 Thread Arash.Joorabchi
. Thanks for your quick reply. Arash -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Taylor Sent: 16 May 2012 10:43 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-16 Thread Mike Taylor
There is no standard way in CQL to express "field X is not empty". Depending on implementations, NOT srw.dd="" might work (but evidently doesn't in this case). Another possibility is srw.dd=*, but again that may or may not work, and might be appallingly inefficient if it does. NOT srw.dd=null wil

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat SRU queries - elimination of records without a DDC no from the result set

2012-05-16 Thread Arash.Joorabchi
Hi all, I am sending SRU queries to the WorldCat in the following form: String host = "http://worldcat.org/webservices/catalog/search/";; String query = "sru?query=srw.kw=\"" + keyword + "\"" + " AND srw.ln exact \"eng\""

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat Mashathon US Registration Open

2011-03-17 Thread Karen Coombs
WorldCat Mashathon US sponsored by the OCLC Developer Network Join fellow coders, developers and tech-enthusiasts for the next two-day WorldCat Mashathon…in 3 different locations. Sponsored by the OCLC Developer Network (http://www.oclc.org/developer), WorldCat Mashathon U.S. will be held Thursday

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-16 Thread Robertson, Wendy C
aries 1015 Main Library  .  Iowa City, Iowa 52242 wendy-robert...@uiowa.edu 319-335-5821 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Dueber Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:57 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-16 Thread Rosalyn Metz
Don't forget inconsistent data from the person sending the OpenURL. Rosalyn On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Bill Dueber wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: >> No, but parsing holding statements for something that just gets cut off >> early or which starts late shou

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-16 Thread Tom Keays
We have been trying to enumerate serials holdings as explicitly as possible. E.G., this microfiche supplement to a journal, http://summit.syr.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=274291 shows apparently missing issues. However, there are two pieces of inferred information here: 1) every print issue had

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Bill Dueber
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: > No, but parsing holding statements for something that just gets cut off > early or which starts late should be easy unless entry is insanely > inconsistent. Andthere it is. :-) We're really dealing with a few problems here: - Inconsis

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Kyle Banerjee
> Oh you really do mean complete like "complete publication run"? Very few > of our journal holdings are "complete" in that sense, they are definitely in > the minority. We start getting something after issue 1, or stop getting it > before the last issue. Or stop and then start again. > > Is this

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Oh you really do mean complete like "complete publication run"? Very few of our journal holdings are "complete" in that sense, they are definitely in the minority. We start getting something after issue 1, or stop getting it before the last issue. Or stop and then start again. Is this really

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Kyle Banerjee
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by "complete" holdings? The library holds the > entire run of the journal from the first issue printed to the last/current? > Or just holdings that dont' include "missing" statements? > Obviously, there has to

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
___ From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Keays [tomke...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: The tric

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm not sure what you mean by "complete" holdings? The library holds the entire run of the journal from the first issue printed to the last/current? Or just holdings that dont' include "missing" statements? Perhaps other institutions have more easily parseable holdings data (or even holdings d

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Tom Keays
I do provide the user with the proxied WorldCat URL for just the reasons Jonathan cites. But, no, being an otherwise open web resource, you can't force a user to use it. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > > I haven't yet found any good way to do this if the user is off-c

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Tom Keays
gt; California State University > http://xerxes.calstate.edu > > From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Keays > [tomke...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:43 AM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU >

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Kyle Banerjee
> > But if you think it's easy, please, give it a try and get back to us. :) > Maybe your library's data is cleaner than mine. > > I don't think it's easy, but I think detecting *complete* holdings is a big part of the picture and that can be done fairly well. Cleanliness of data will vary from on

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Markus Fischer
Kyle Banerjee schrieb: This might not be as bad as people think. The normal argument is that holdings are in free text and there's no way staff will ever have enough time to record volume level holdings. However, significant chunks of the problem can be addressed using relatively simple methods.

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
When I've tried to do this, it's been much harder than your story, I'm afraid. My library data is very inconsistent in the way it expresses it's holdings. Even _without_ "missing" items, the holdings are expressed in human-readable narrative form which is very difficult to parse reliably. Th

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Kyle Banerjee
> > > The trick here is that traditional library metadata practices make it > _very > > hard_ to tell if a _specific volume/issue_ is held by a given library. > And > > those are the most common use cases for OpenURL. > > > > Yep. That's true even for individual library's with link resolvers. OCLC

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: The trick here is that traditional library metadata practices make it _very hard_ to tell if a _specific volume/issue

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Walker, David
rnia State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Keays [tomke...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ? On Mo

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Tom Keays wrote: I was mainly thinking of sources that use COinS. If you have a rarely held book, for instance, then OpenURLs resolved against random institutional endpoints are going to mostly be unproductive. However, a "union" catalog such as OCLC already has the information about libraries i

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Tom Keays
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > The trick here is that traditional library metadata practices make it _very > hard_ to tell if a _specific volume/issue_ is held by a given library. And > those are the most common use cases for OpenURL. > Yep. That's true even for ind

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-14 Thread Kyle Banerjee
> Author, title, and publication year won't get you many false positives, > but might get you lots of false negatives. > > It's certainly true that there is no good "naive" approach to matching > without identifiers and getting a good balance of minimal false positives > and false negatives. Th

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Author, title, and publication year won't get you many false positives, but might get you lots of false negatives. It's certainly true that there is no good "naive" approach to matching without identifiers and getting a good balance of minimal false positives and false negatives. There are

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-14 Thread Kyle Banerjee
> So, the purpose of this would be to discover where a given item represented > by the OpenURL was held. A secondary purpose would be as a source of > bibliographic citation information This could be quite useful discovery > tool, especially for materials that are not widely held. > Still trying t

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I've heard from OCLC staff that this is something they'd _like_ to do, but I don't believe they have it yet. The trick here is that traditional library metadata practices make it _very hard_ to tell if a _specific volume/issue_ is held by a given library. And those are the most common use cas

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-14 Thread Tom Keays
I know it is possible to sent OpenURL requests to the WorldCat Registry service and have it chose a local OpenURL resolver based on what IP address you are coming from. WorldCat OpenURL endpoint: http://worldcat.org/registry/gateway What I don't know is if WorldCat has an OpenURL resolver or can

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-25 Thread LeVan,Ralph
n Coyle > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:30 AM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies > > Quoting "LeVan,Ralph" : > > > I hate to muddy the waters, but I can't resist here. > > > > Research also exposes a

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-21 Thread LeVan,Ralph
raries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ziso, Ya'aqov Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:09 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies I'm certain that as Ralph indicated, this file has been kept weekly up-to-date. The html page header will be, eventu

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-21 Thread LeVan,Ralph
nd Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:19 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies Yeah, the statement that it's a static copy from 2006 would have stopped me in my tracks if I had somehow happened accross the page, which I probably wouldn't have, but no

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-21 Thread Ziso, Ya'aqov
2010 12:19 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies Yeah, the statement that it's a static copy from 2006 would have stopped me in my tracks if I had somehow happened accross the page, which I probably wouldn't have, but now I've bookmarke

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-21 Thread Ian Ibbotson
days I'll get around to figuring out how > to write code for. > > From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle > [li...@kcoyle.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:29 AM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU >

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
___ From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle [li...@kcoyle.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:29 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies Quoting "LeVan,Ralph" : > I hate to muddy the waters, but I can't resist he

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
ries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle [li...@kcoyle.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:29 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies Quoting "LeVan,Ralph" : > I hate to muddy the waters, but I can't resist here. > >

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-20 Thread Karen Coyle
du] On Behalf Of Ya'aqov Ziso Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:29 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies Jonathan, thank you, in full accord.  Yes, the crux of the matter is Names (NAF being the more expensive library subscription and the one not ava

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread LeVan,Ralph
tserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of > Ya'aqov Ziso > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:29 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies > > Jonathan, thank you, in full accord.  Yes, the crux of the matter is Names > (NAF being the more expensive

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
;aqov Ziso > [z...@rowan.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 2:14 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies > > Karen, > Seems like pulling-teeth was worth it. Thank you for these updates and for > making them available for all interested. >

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Identities, Terminologies, Research Terminologies) are still very interesting and useful services. From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ya'aqov Ziso [z...@rowan.edu] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 2:14 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
Karen, Seems like pulling-teeth was worth it. Thank you for these updates and for making them available for all interested. Essentially, given your 6 months latency compared to http://id.loc.gov) and the inclusion of NAF and non-NAF headings in Identities, both Terminologies and Identities are not

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread Karen Coombs
Ya¹aqov, Identities is not based on a name authority file it is based on name data in WorldCat. These two are not the same thing. Names within Identities come from several different fields within the WorldCat MARC records including 1xx, 6xx, and 7xx fields. This is why Identities contains names wh

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
Hello Karen, Since upkeep done to Terminologies and Identities involves all WorldCat membership copied to your note, it will be helpful if OCLC Research would post: >> an URL specifying upkeep done to Terminologies >> an URL specifying upkeep done to Identities (is NAF used via CONNEXION the same

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread Karen Coombs
Ya¹aqov, We have decided that it is wiser to withdraw the statement from our brochure, with our apologies, rather than attempt to defend it. We¹re sorry if this has caused you any trouble. As for your questions regarding frequency of update and any guaranteed level of service, we have already answ

[CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-03 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
Karen Coombs, Hi, ³Terminologies ... all those terminologies databases that you used to have to buy, load, and maintain locally ‹ now available remotely for free ... (from the blurb OCLC distributed at the COIDE4LIB in Asheville, 2/21-25-2010) Could you please elaborate, how can Terminologies Se

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