Re: OM as car navigation

2012-03-01 Thread Frank
Am 27.02.2012 22:04, schrieb robin: hi, i still have problems with qtmoko v39 to use navit or tango/foxtrotgps. would you mind to post your gpsd file and the navit.xml line for your gpsd connection? .. robin Hallo robin, here is my solution: file /etc/default/gpsd # Default settings for

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-28 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille
Hi Frank, Thanks for your answer. 2012/2/27 Frank fr...@fotodrachen.de: Am 27.02.2012 17:21, schrieb Guilhem Bonnefille: I don't really know, what the reason was. I think it was a missing device in the gpsd-configuration. Other GPS-Apps worked well - but not navit. Maybe they use the

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-27 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille
Hi, 2012/2/26 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de: please see Openmoko inside a vehicle as navigation system: https://despora.de/posts/228392 Credits go to Frank Jaeger (fr...@fotodrachen.de) ! Software: Navit with routing data from OpenStreetMap. gpsd shows actual position. Hardware

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-27 Thread Frank
Am 27.02.2012 17:21, schrieb Guilhem Bonnefille: Hi, .. Do you know what operating system was used by Frank Jaeger? Hallo Guilhem, it's a QTmoko v38. I startet with v35 and navit in QX-mode. Now navit can be installed very confortable as App from

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-27 Thread Sebastian Reinhardt
On 27.02.2012 19:27, Frank wrote: Am 27.02.2012 17:21, schrieb Guilhem Bonnefille: Hi, .. Do you know what operating system was used by Frank Jaeger? Hallo Guilhem, it's a QTmoko v38. I startet with v35 and navit in QX-mode. Now navit can be installed very confortable as App from

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-27 Thread robin
hi timo, the display freezes, I don't know if that means that the kernel has crashed. any ideas. best regards robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-27 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
robin spielr...@web.de writes: the display freezes, I don't know if that means that the kernel has crashed. any ideas. Does it reply to ping over wifi or usb when that happens? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-27 Thread robin
hi, i still have problems with qtmoko v39 to use navit or tango/foxtrotgps. would you mind to post your gpsd file and the navit.xml line for your gpsd connection? I start gps manually via the gps on script beforehand and nerongps gets a nice fix, in contrast to navit :-( best regards robin

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-27 Thread robin
hi timo, unfortunately I can't answer that as that usually happens during driving in my car ... Could I do anything useful to give you more information on that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-26 Thread Neil Jerram
Pulster) writes: Hi, please see Openmoko inside a vehicle as navigation system: https://despora.de/posts/228392 And there's another unidentified use of the hole there too. I wonder what that string is for? :-) Neil ___ Openmoko community

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-26 Thread Benedikt Bär | Relamp.tk
On 02/26/2012 10:56 AM, Christoph Pulster wrote: Hi, please see Openmoko inside a vehicle as navigation system: https://despora.de/posts/228392 Credits go to Frank Jaeger (fr...@fotodrachen.de) ! Software: Navit with routing data from OpenStreetMap. gpsd shows actual position. Hardware

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-26 Thread robin
One of the problems with navit though is that it very much likes to freeze the freerunner completely (battery removal needed :-( ). the best voices so far I found on navit for android on freerunner. so if anyone has any suggestions for good voices for qtmoko or shr those would be most welcome.

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-26 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Robin, One of the things i do before starting navit is: if test -f ~/.navit/destination.txt; then rm ~/.navit/destination.txt fi if test -f ~/.navit/center.txt; then rm ~/.navit/center.txt fi With that i never have a hanging navit, without it it takes *forever* to start and eat the whole

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-26 Thread robin
hi ed, i will try that. do you also have a simple hack to check for a minimal number of satelites or even better for a threshold for lateral deviation of the position. this would avoid the other problem causing navit to freeze: if you are right next to a motorway and the satelite signal is not

Re: OM as car navigation

2012-02-26 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
robin spielr...@web.de writes: then again from the little road besides it, which causes extrem cpu usage and eventually makes the freerunner crash The kernel crashes? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Navigation board @ Pulster shop

2011-07-18 Thread ml
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:51:33 +0200, Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: Am Samstag 18 Juni 2011, 14:51:05 schrieb Daniele Forsi: can someone recommend an USB-i2c interface to use the navigation board externally, for those who don't feel like touching their Freerunner with a soldering iron

Re: Navigation board @ Pulster shop

2011-06-18 Thread Daniele Forsi
2011/6/17 Christoph Pulster wrote: I think the Open Source community is missing to link and interaction between projects. Add-on products like navigation-board can cross the gap, for exaple it is useful for Openmoko, Qi Nanonote and Pandora. indeed can someone recommend an USB-i2c interface

Re: Navigation board @ Pulster shop

2011-06-18 Thread Christoph Mair
Am Samstag 18 Juni 2011, 14:51:05 schrieb Daniele Forsi: 2011/6/17 Christoph Pulster wrote: I think the Open Source community is missing to link and interaction between projects. Add-on products like navigation-board can cross the gap, for exaple it is useful for Openmoko, Qi Nanonote

Re: Video of SMD production of Freerunner Navigation Boards (GTA04 will look similar)

2011-06-10 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 16:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Dear all, we were allowed to look over the shoulders of the workers at the SMD fab that produces the Freerunner Navigation Board V3 and the GTA04. Here is the link:        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

Re: Video of SMD production of Freerunner Navigation Boards (GTA04 will look similar)

2011-06-10 Thread Ranjit Pillai
were allowed to look over the shoulders of the workers at the SMD fab that produces the Freerunner Navigation Board V3 and the GTA04. Here is the link:        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyhKr3yTO8 It shows how the PCBs are set up, how the pickplace machine is set up and how

Video of SMD production of Freerunner Navigation Boards (GTA04 will look similar)

2011-06-09 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Dear all, we were allowed to look over the shoulders of the workers at the SMD fab that produces the Freerunner Navigation Board V3 and the GTA04. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyhKr3yTO8 It shows how the PCBs are set up, how the pickplace machine is set up and how

Re: Video of SMD production of Freerunner Navigation Boards (GTA04 will look similar)

2011-06-09 Thread Martix
Hi, thats really nice video. Best Regards, Martin Martix Holec 2011/6/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: Dear all, we were allowed to look over the shoulders of the workers at the SMD fab that produces the Freerunner Navigation Board V3 and the GTA04. Here is the link

Re: FreeRunner Navigation Board v3 - Power management

2011-05-22 Thread Martix
Hi, 2011/5/21 Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net: Hi, Am Samstag 21 Mai 2011, 16:41:06 schrieb Martix: How much of power Navigation Board v3 consume, both in operational state (all sensors are active) and in idle state (all sensors are powered down)? Can I power down whole board from software

Re: FreeRunner Navigation Board v3 - Power management

2011-05-22 Thread Christoph Mair
Am Sonntag 22 Mai 2011, 11:44:24 schrieben Sie: Hi, 2011/5/21 Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net: Hi, Am Samstag 21 Mai 2011, 16:41:06 schrieb Martix: How much of power Navigation Board v3 consume, both in operational state (all sensors are active) and in idle state (all sensors

FreeRunner Navigation Board v3 - Power management

2011-05-21 Thread Martix
Hello, How much of power Navigation Board v3 consume, both in operational state (all sensors are active) and in idle state (all sensors are powered down)? Can I power down whole board from software? If not, could be board VCC connected somehow to the PMU (PCF50633)? Perhaps, Navigation Board

Re: FreeRunner Navigation Board v3 - Power management

2011-05-21 Thread Christoph Mair
Hi, Am Samstag 21 Mai 2011, 16:41:06 schrieb Martix: How much of power Navigation Board v3 consume, both in operational state (all sensors are active) and in idle state (all sensors are powered down)? Can I power down whole board from software? All sensors support a sleep state which reduces

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v3 (FRNBv3)

2011-04-13 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] I hope you find this little device useful for your projects. If there are any questions, please let me know. Nice... If you keep up pace like this, you will soon produce new open phone :) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v3 (FRNBv3)

2011-04-13 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hello Christoph, On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 21:12, Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: I already announced it (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2011- February/064474.html), now I'm ready to start production: The Freerunner Navigation Board v3 is finished! Looks very nice indeed

ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v3 (FRNBv3)

2011-04-12 Thread Christoph Mair
Dear List, I already announced it (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2011- February/064474.html), now I'm ready to start production: The Freerunner Navigation Board v3 is finished! It features a compass, a gyroscope and an accelerometer. All of them work in three dimensions

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available

2010-12-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Dear list, we have received and tested the next handful of navigation boards. They are available through: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Navigation%20Board For installation, please refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Navigation_Board_v2#Installation

Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-10-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
We have received and tested the next batch of Freerunner navigation boards. The test was done by using a Letux 400 where we did solder 4 cables to get an external I2C bus and some spring contacts. More details can be found at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Navigation_Board_v2

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available

2010-09-13 Thread Al Johnson
Looks good. It'll be a month or so before I can order one. On Sunday 12 September 2010, Christoph Mair wrote: Dear list, after lots of hard work I'm happy to announce that the Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available! The team from handheld-linux.com [1] kindly offered to handle

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available

2010-09-13 Thread Christoph Mair
magnetic measurements. * Gyroscope (ITG-3200): There is no software support that I'm aware of. I will try to implement an inertial navigation solution but you are probably faster if you try yourself instead of waiting for mine. * Pressure sensor (BMP085): My kernel driver was merged upstream

ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available

2010-09-12 Thread Christoph Mair
Dear list, after lots of hard work I'm happy to announce that the Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available! The team from handheld-linux.com [1] kindly offered to handle orders and shipping. The second version of the Navigation Board includes some features which go well beyond of what

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available

2010-09-12 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Sun, 9/12/10, Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: after lots of hard work I'm happy to announce that the Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available! It looks great, congratulations! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available

2010-09-12 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:23 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com wrote: It looks great, congratulations! indeed, is there any software in the works to take advantage of this? i think i might have to snag one and add it on when i tear open my phone to fix the sd card...

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-07-21 Thread Helge Hafting
On 03. mai 2010 11:10, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: On 3 May 2010 11:04, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schallerh...@goldelico.com wrote: Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them accurately for openstreetmap. And also have underground navigation - some tunnels have got intersections

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-07-21 Thread Helge Hafting
would be very useful. (And given the slow cpu, a pulse counter so the software won't have to rely so much on pulse timing.) This is great for driving in tunnels. There are many mountains and tunnels where I live. Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them accurately

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.07.2010 um 10:55 schrieb Helge Hafting: On 03. mai 2010 11:10, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: On 3 May 2010 11:04, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schallerh...@goldelico.com wrote: Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them accurately for openstreetmap. And also have underground

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-07-21 Thread Christoph Mair
Am Mittwoch 21 Juli 2010, 11:22:20 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 21.07.2010 um 10:55 schrieb Helge Hafting: On 03. mai 2010 11:10, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: On 3 May 2010 11:04, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schallerh...@goldelico.com wrote: Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-07-21 Thread RANJAN
. H. Nikolaus Schallerh...@goldelico.com wrote: Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them accurately for openstreetmap. And also have underground navigation - some tunnels have got intersections/roundabouts inside, with several possible exits. Would navit

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-07-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 21 July 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.07.2010 um 10:55 schrieb Helge Hafting: On 03. mai 2010 11:10, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: On 3 May 2010 11:04, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schallerh...@goldelico.com wrote: Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2

2010-06-20 Thread Tim Abell
How about an altitude (pressure) sensor? That would make up for the accuracy of GPS height data. Tim Abell Christoph Mair wrote: Hi all! Thanks to a new triaxial gyroscope chip which became available a few weeks ago I started to work on a new navigation board for the freerunner. The new

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2

2010-06-20 Thread Christoph Mair
Christoph Mair wrote: Hi all! Thanks to a new triaxial gyroscope chip which became available a few weeks ago I started to work on a new navigation board for the freerunner. The new chip reduces the complexity which results in a single layer board containing the triaxial gyroscope

ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2

2010-06-16 Thread Christoph Mair
Hi all! Thanks to a new triaxial gyroscope chip which became available a few weeks ago I started to work on a new navigation board for the freerunner. The new chip reduces the complexity which results in a single layer board containing the triaxial gyroscope ITG3200, the triaxial compass

Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2

2010-06-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Christoph Mair wrote: Hi all! Thanks to a new triaxial gyroscope chip which became available a few weeks ago I started to work on a new navigation board for the freerunner. The new chip reduces the complexity which results in a single layer board containing

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-04 Thread Christoph Mair
On Monday 03 May 2010 11:10:40 Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: On 3 May 2010 11:04, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them accurately for openstreetmap. And also have underground navigation - some tunnels have got

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Christoph Mair wrote: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! What is it? The Freerunner Navigation Board is a small PCB which is able to measure rotations as well as the magnetic field in 3D respectively (i.e

Re: little question about navigation board

2010-05-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Alfa21 wrote: 2010-05...@23:31 Christoph Mair why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) The Freerunner has two accelerometers, but no gyroscope. I tough 2 accels + 1 compas could act as gyros... (not the greek similar of the kebab) maybe I have

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-03 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them accurately for openstreetmap. And also have underground navigation - some tunnels have got intersections/roundabouts inside, with several possible exits. And then there are cities with too many tall buildings, and things

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-03 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
On 3 May 2010 11:04, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Having navigation work inside tunnels would allow mapping them accurately for openstreetmap. And also have underground navigation - some tunnels have got intersections/roundabouts inside, with several possible exits

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-03 Thread Michele Brocco
On 5/3/10, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Christoph Mair wrote: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! What is it? The Freerunner Navigation Board is a small PCB which is able to measure rotations as well

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Michele Brocco
On 5/2/10, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Congrats! Will I get a fully assembled one for free if I promise to implement FSO DBus APIs? :) Hey Mickey! In fact we planned to ship you one :) So the next one we will produce is yours. We should keep in touch regarding

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Sonntag, den 02.05.2010, 13:54 +0200 schrieb Michele Brocco: On 5/2/10, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Congrats! Will I get a fully assembled one for free if I promise to implement FSO DBus APIs? :) Hey Mickey! In fact we planned to ship you one :) So the next

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Kosa
Christoph Mair escribió: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! That's amazing! Great work! would you mind to share why did you developed it? I know it will help and will be used by several project, but what's yours

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 02.05.2010 um 16:09 schrieb Kosa: Christoph Mair escribió: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! That's amazing! Great work! would you mind to share why did you developed it? I know it will help

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Christoph Mair
:) and generally improve portable navigation. For car navigation, GPS is in most cases sufficient since a car goes fast enough so that GPS can tell about the direction of movement. But if you have a handheld device, only a compass and/or gyroscope can tell that you are rotating the device. While

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Stefan Schmidt
/~stefan/weblog/archives/2010/02/index.html#e2010-02-28T15_40_36.txt http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog/archives/2010/04/index.html#e2010-04-26T12_30_18.txt Unfortunately the NOR bootloader does not work when both, pressure sensor and navigation board, are connected (somebody knows why

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Christoph Mair
On Sunday 02 May 2010 17:57:49 Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Sun, 2010-05-02 at 17:42, Christoph Mair wrote: Unfortunately the NOR bootloader does not work when both, pressure sensor and navigation board, are connected (somebody knows why?). :) Wild guess. You are not (ab-)using

little question about navigation board

2010-05-02 Thread Alfa21
hi, first of all, congrats for your work :) now my question: why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) and not just merge a compass to the pressure sensor seen on the wiki (and it has also temperature)? I'm not informed on this topic, so I'm sorry if this

Re: little question about navigation board

2010-05-02 Thread Evgeniy Ginzburg
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: hi, first of all, congrats for your work :) now my question: why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) and not just merge a compass to the pressure sensor seen on the wiki (and it has

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-02 Thread Werner Almesberger
Christoph Mair wrote: Soldering experience is definitively required. The QFN chips (gyros and compass) are somewhat difficult to handle, but you can reflow-solder them in a pizza oven. An approach I found quite efficient for occasional DIY of QFN parts on home-made PCBs is to apply a generous

Re: little question about navigation board

2010-05-02 Thread Christoph Mair
On Sunday 02 May 2010 19:57:02 Alfa21 wrote: hi, first of all, congrats for your work :) now my question: why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) The Freerunner has two accelerometers, but no gyroscope. and not just merge a compass to the pressure

Re: little question about navigation board

2010-05-02 Thread Alfa21
2010-05...@23:31 Christoph Mair why to add two more gyroscope sensors (so now we have 4 of them in our FR O_O) The Freerunner has two accelerometers, but no gyroscope. I tough 2 accels + 1 compas could act as gyros... (not the greek similar of the kebab) maybe I have to reopen my physic

Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Christoph Mair
Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! What is it? The Freerunner Navigation Board is a small PCB which is able to measure rotations as well as the magnetic field in 3D respectively (i.e. compass and gyroscopes integrated

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 13:48, Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! What is it? The Freerunner Navigation Board is a small PCB which is able to measure rotations as well

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread omcomali . rhn
On Sat, 1 May 2010 13:48:58 +0200 Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! What is it? The Freerunner Navigation Board is a small PCB which is able to measure rotations as well

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Werner Almesberger
Christoph Mair wrote: we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! Very impressive. Congratulations ! I guess the next level would be to make a board that fits into one of the Embedded Air (tm) pockets also have some RF transceiver ;-) - Werner

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Christoph Mair
On Saturday 01 May 2010 16:09:05 Werner Almesberger wrote: Christoph Mair wrote: we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! Very impressive. Congratulations ! Thank you! I guess the next level would be to make a board that fits into one

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Christoph Mair
On Saturday 01 May 2010 14:56:52 omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: On Sat, 1 May 2010 13:48:58 +0200 Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! Great work! Are you going to distribute

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 01.05.2010 um 17:30 schrieb Christoph Mair: On Saturday 01 May 2010 14:56:52 omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: On Sat, 1 May 2010 13:48:58 +0200 Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Congrats! Will I get a fully assembled one for free if I promise to implement FSO DBus APIs? :) Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board

2010-05-01 Thread Werner Almesberger
Christoph Mair wrote: Well, I've got a lot of other crazy ideas to fill these pockets, I just don't have enough time to realize them all. Wow, I would have never imagined that anyone else could experience this problem, too ;-) Do you have any specific requirements which I should take into

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
a) the group free software is nothing but a combination of an adjective and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive That might be the case, but in the context of distributing a piece of software in the context of GNU/Linux, free software refers to the FSF's notion. Any other

freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread arne anka
I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way - freeware and open source apps not always are free software) huh? since when and who made that decision? for all i know, the line goes between open source and free. open

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Tom Yates
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, arne anka wrote: [Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:] I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way - freeware and open source apps not always are free software) huh? since when and who made that

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread arne anka
the term free software was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was published by the free software foundation [1]. a) the group free software is nothing but a combination of an adjective and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive b) qualifying a substantive with free has

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Viktor Lindberg
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:21:50PM +0100, arne anka wrote: the term free software was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was published by the free software foundation [1]. a) the group free software is nothing but a combination of an adjective and a substantive, the adjective

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Petr Vanek
/end of arrogant rant about language usage. this is getting too long for me :) just download the relevant packages which this thread started about and read license in there, it might help your understanding :)) cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg l...@leth.yi.org: The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software that might not be libre (free as in freedom), which is not the same idea as the Free Software movement has.

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Pieter Colpaert
Since this is a mailinglist about openmoko's «free»runner, I think it's normal to assume everyone on this mailinglist understands the idea behind the free philosophy. On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 16:09 +0100, Viktor Lindberg wrote: On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:21:50PM +0100, arne anka wrote: the term

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Viktor Lindberg
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 03:39:42PM +, Neil Jerram wrote: 2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg l...@leth.yi.org: The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software that might not be libre (free as in freedom),

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg l...@leth.yi.org: I don't wish to be rude but you're not actually contradicting anything i'm saying afaict Actually I think I am a bit. You said Not just open for anyone to examine as is the case with Open Source, which sounds to me like you are saying that people

Re: Navigation

2010-01-04 Thread Yorick Moko
I have so lovely family to allow that. This is true for other my projects too. Why don't I buy navigation for 200 bucks instead of spending my rare time that would cost by the way my employer thousands? With no donations and no gratitude. Anyway, I should slow down... Neil Jerram wrote

Re: Navigation

2010-01-04 Thread Petr Vanek
hi, If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi: http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Newsfile=articleid=116 Currently not for usage, only as preview for Debian users. downloaded the packages on my laptop: van...@vanek:/tmp$ ./osm2mcmap bash: ./osm2mcmap: cannot

Re: Navigation

2010-01-04 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/4 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: c'mon, you know he meant well Yes indeed. I apologize for raising this issue on Mike's thread; I should have started a new thread and so not have singled out Mike in particular. Best wishes, Neil

Re: Navigation

2010-01-04 Thread Davide Scaini
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: c'mon, you know he meant well Yes indeed. I apologize for raising this issue on Mike's thread; I should have started a new thread and so not have singled out Mike in

Re: Navigation

2010-01-04 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 1/4/10, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: c'mon, you know he meant well Yes indeed. I apologize for raising this issue on Mike's thread; I should have started

Re: Navigation

2010-01-03 Thread Mike Crash
working on new navigation for the Freerunner, current name is MC Navi, but may change. Screenshots here: http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Newsfile=articleid=115 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Navigation-tp4141297p4246609.html Sent from the Openmoko Community

Re: Navigation

2010-01-03 Thread Davide Scaini
Crash wrote: Hello everyone, I only want to inform you, that I am working on new navigation for the Freerunner, current name is MC Navi, but may change. Screenshots here: http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Newsfile=articleid=115 -- View this message in context: http://n2

Re: Navigation

2010-01-03 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/3 Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com: Happy new year everyone! If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi: http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Newsfile=articleid=116 This is nice news, but what is it with the sorry, no source code yet thing? Mike, I don't

Re: Navigation

2010-01-03 Thread Mike Crash
times to late night (to 2 am) and I can thank god I have so lovely family to allow that. This is true for other my projects too. Why don't I buy navigation for 200 bucks instead of spending my rare time that would cost by the way my employer thousands? With no donations and no gratitude. Anyway, I

Re: Navigation

2010-01-03 Thread Neil Jerram
(to 2 am) and I can thank god I have so lovely family to allow that. This is true for other my projects too. Why don't I buy navigation for 200 bucks instead of spending my rare time that would cost by the way my employer thousands? Understood; I think we all know these feelings... Personally

Re: [QtMoko] NeronGPS no worky (was Re: [QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko)

2009-12-23 Thread tvuillaume
@lists.openmoko.org Envoyé: Dimanche 20 Décembre 2009 00h31:30 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [QtMoko] NeronGPS no worky (was Re: [QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko) 2009/12/16 Tony McKeehan mck...@rpi.edu Yeah, NeronGPS is in the QtMoko feeds

[QtMoko] NeronGPS no worky (was Re: [QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko)

2009-12-19 Thread Brolin Empey
2009/12/16 Tony McKeehan mck...@rpi.edu Yeah, NeronGPS is in the QtMoko feeds and all you need to install it is a recent version of QtMoko and an internet connection. Is QtMoko v14 sufficiently recent? It's native to the Qt framework that QtMoko uses and doesn't need an X server. It has a

Re: [QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko

2009-12-17 Thread Hans Zimmerman
a slightly different interface from Navit and tango, but it's pretty easy to get used to. -Tonym Brolin Empey wrote: Hello list, Are there any GPS navigation apps for QtMoko, i.e., any usable without an X server? I cannot use QX because every time I try, I end up having to remove

Re: [QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko

2009-12-17 Thread Radek Polak
On Thursday 17 of December 2009 18:43:02 Hans Zimmerman wrote: Could it be it's not in de debian repository's? If i know right then yes. The project was announced just a few months ago. Building Debian package will probably not take too much effort except that the Qtopia GPS API would have to

[QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko

2009-12-16 Thread Brolin Empey
Hello list, Are there any GPS navigation apps for QtMoko, i.e., any usable without an X server? I cannot use QX because every time I try, I end up having to remove the battery from my FreeRunner because my FreeRunner locks up and is unusable. I wanted to use Navit, but it requires a working X

Re: [QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko

2009-12-16 Thread Tony McKeehan
used to. -Tonym Brolin Empey wrote: Hello list, Are there any GPS navigation apps for QtMoko, i.e., any usable without an X server? I cannot use QX because every time I try, I end up having to remove the battery from my FreeRunner because my FreeRunner locks up and is unusable. I wanted

Re: Navigation

2009-12-15 Thread Mike Crash
this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Navigation-tp4141297p4163143.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman

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