ezuall writes:
> Would it be worth while to start a petition for the official fix in
> the wiki
No. They obviously know that community is extremely irritated about it
and want to hear _any_ official statement. But they prefer being
silent.
I guess we'll need to wait for another month for the fin
Hi,
"Iain B. Findleton" writes:
> I have been playing a bit with the accelerometers on the FR appear to
> observe the following:
...
> 1) Is this a common situation with the FR (OM2008.12)
Unmaintained distro using old kernel? No wonder. There was plenty of
accelerometer changes since that!
Simon Kagstrom writes:
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:23:40 +0300
> Paul Fertser wrote:
>> > Another (I guess unrelated) problem I have is that the sound
>> > through the headset is quite bad. I hear a faint echo of myself and
>> > the sound has a sharp "meta
Robin Paulson writes:
> tune2fs -c 10 /dev/mtdblock6
...
> when i run this, it gives me an error:
> tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mtdblock6
>
> which i don't entirely understand. any suggestions what's going on here?
jffs2 is not ext[23]
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Simon Kagstrom writes:
> Paul Fertser wrote:
>> Sorry, i can't answer to any of these questions, but i want to notify
>> you and other community members that support for bluetooth headsets in
>> FSO is coming and it will have neither buzz nor echo issues.
>
&
ezuall writes:
> Speaking as a fanboy of the Freerunner and everything Openmoko does
LOL, is it meant to be ironic?
> So two questions:
Sorry, i can't answer to any of these questions, but i want to notify
you and other community members that support for bluetooth headsets in
FSO is coming and
Daniel Willmann writes:
> I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast
> messages which are broadcasted by some operators.
Looks like +CTZV unsolicited message doesn't actually supply timezone
information (which must include country-specific DST information),
only curren
Hi,
Jeremy McNaughton writes:
> And while I don't know anything about the previous conversations
> between Mirko and Paul, I really hope that I never get dealt with that
> way by anyone with an openmoko.com email account.
Jeremy, i can assure you that Mirko treated me fairly and i posted the
log
George Brooke writes:
> On Thursday 12 March 2009 20:51:47 Eldon Koyle wrote:
>>
...
> Thank you very much someone needed to say something along those lines.
Would you mind to share your comments on TRIsoft letter as well?
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Tim Niemeyer writes:
> Hallo Paul,
> * Paul Fertser [11-03-09 19:36]:
>> Still it looks like asoc driver for GTA01 will need to be "backported"
>> from GTA02, but it's a matter of software, so it can be made to work.
> This?
> http://gi
Daniel Willmann writes:
> Paul Fertser wrote:
>> In the message[1] you say that "bluetooth audio on the gta01 will
>> never work, even with that bluetooth alsa state".
>>
>> Could you please explain what exactly did you mean and what is the
>> actual
Hi,
In the message[1] you say that "bluetooth audio on the gta01 will
never work, even with that bluetooth alsa state".
Could you please explain what exactly did you mean and what is the
actual problem? Were you talking about A2DP or SCO? If SCO, was it SCO
over PCM or HCI? If A2DP, what is the d
"W.Kenworthy" writes:
> It did for me - absolutely refused to upgrade in every way I tried until
> I downgraded (as per the wiki page) and then the upgrade worked fine.
> This happened with moko10 and trying to upgrade to moko11 - yes doesnt
> make sense,
I flashed between moko11 and moko10 numer
Friedrich Clausen writes:
> On the previously mentioned GSM flashing page it says
>
>> Also PLEASE DON 'T USE moko9beta1, as there is at least one report on
>> reflashing to
>> another FW gets difficult from moko9b1.
>
> but this is the GSM firmware that came with my phone so I have no
> choice b
Franky Van Liedekerke writes:
> Does this release needs a firmware upgrade (moko11) or is this not
> needed?
Any sane distro should use a fixed GSM firmware. The latest version is
moko11.
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09-03-2009 10:53:32 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Hey :) Please don't
consider my questions or messages as a personal offence. Please. It's
just that you're keeping silence on the issues that i consider to be
of great importance... You're the frontman of the Paroli project and
people are asking you p
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen writes:
>I did need two power off/on cycles between the two fluid invocations,
> though.
I found by experimentation that with -od13,13 fluid was able to
connect to the bootloader every time i tried power-cycling. But yes,
without it it's like 1 out of 20 when it fails
Andy Green writes:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix
>
> Yes it's a different way to come at it.
>
> The way I documented you keep the leads short, the components are all in
> the can and the can is unchanged, but you're limited to 22uF o
Johny Tenfinger writes:
>> To make a constructive suggestion: I wonder what the official Openmoko
>> view is of SHR Testing? I think it's pretty good, so
>>
>> - why not help to polish that?
>>
>> - if not, what _precise_ reasons do OM have for believing that the
>> Paroli route will produce (in
Torfinn Ingolfsen writes:
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Tom Yates wrote:
>> if anyone else is minded to try it, there are a few more details at
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image .
>
> Will this image work on a Neo 1973 as well?
Not yet. But the manual instructions
Mirko Lindner writes:
> for Now the paroli image comes with these styles installed. We hope we
> can change that in the future. There is a way of "reactivating" the old
> style, I will try to compile a document and publish it here.
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Tom Yates writes:
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Paul Fertser wrote:
>> Alternatively, try Joerg's uSD automated image:
>> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz
>>
>> It works and reliably flashes the firmware for you.
>
&
Andy Green writes:
> > So, please consider changing the framework to use the red LED to
> > indicate the
> > battery charge state.
...
> I did not find a way myself to list the triggers available in the kernel
> otherwise I would mention it; if someone found one I'm also interested
> to know.
Pro
Steve 'dillo Okay writes:
> I'm trying to flash my GSM firmware and running into a problem.
> I get to the point where I run the fluid command line and it just
> sits there.
Basically the idea is that in one terminal you run fluid with right
parameters, and in the other you powercycle the modem
Vasco Névoa writes:
> Second, a weird problem I'm having... I updated my system with opkg
> yesterday, and a bunch os problems were corrected (yay!) and I'm using
> the phone in "everyday life", but now I can't login via SSH on my
> windows box.
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2211
-
Al Johnson writes:
> On Tuesday 24 February 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
>> Whaaat? iPhone touchscreen can't be used with a stylus?? What is it, heat
>> sensitive or something?
>
> Capacitive. Doesn't work with a stylus, fingernail or gloves. Not good if you
> have particularly dry fingertips
"Steve \" 'dillo\" Okay" writes:
> Okay, I am pretty stuck here.
> I've tried the procedure on the Wiki here:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing
> and here:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1565196|a1566012
>
> to no effect.
>
> I run the fluid command and it just sits t
Hi,
Candy Chou writes:
> This is Openmoko HW engineer Candy in Taipei. We're working on the
> wm8753 alsa mapping.
Have you seen the diagram i prepared? [1]
> It's almost done and we'll ask someone in Taipei to add it to Wiki.
Weird idea to be honest ;)
> Thanks for ur information. We'll keep
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes:
>> >- echo "a...@poff" >/dev/ttySAC0
>>
>> This is supposed to ask modem firmware to power off itself. Was
>> necessary because GTA01 has no physical power switch. I don't know
>> exact results of this command though.
>
> IIRC it issues a controlled shutdown inc
Michael writes:
> can somebody please explain me the differents of these
>
> - echo 0 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
This depends on kernel version and on GTA0x revision. On all public
GTA02 revisions it cuts the power to the modem, but see below.
> - s3c24xx-g
"GNUtoo" writes:
>> "GNUtoo" writes:
>>> it's a bug in the GSM modem's firmware...it can be updated but I advise
>>> you against doing it because there is some command to type and if you
>>> makes a typo it can brick your gsm modem
>>
>> That's a lie.
> sorry that was not intentional...
I know,
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Paul Fertser writes:
>> I can provide Inkscape source file on demand.
>
> That'd be nice since my monochrome printer does not make blue/black
> text easy to separate :-) Can you add it to the wiki too?
Done. Though the diagram itself is sti
Andy Green writes:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | Simon Kagstrom writes:
> |> From looking at the diagram, I think that would make sense at least. I
> |> haven't figured out how to affect these still from looking in the state
> |> file and in the driver though.
> |
> | I'm going
"GNUtoo" writes:
> it's a bug in the GSM modem's firmware...it can be updated but I advise
> you against doing it because there is some command to type and if you
> makes a typo it can brick your gsm modem
That's a lie.
You can't brick your modem at all, as it has a ROM bootloader.
Dedicated pe
Paul Fertser writes:
> Simon Kagstrom writes:
>> From looking at the diagram, I think that would make sense at least. I
>> haven't figured out how to affect these still from looking in the state
>> file and in the driver though.
>
> I'm going to prepare a ro
Simon Kagstrom writes:
> From looking at the diagram, I think that would make sense at least. I
> haven't figured out how to affect these still from looking in the state
> file and in the driver though.
I'm going to prepare a routing diagram with alsa control names printed
over it "real soon" (to
"Steve \" 'dillo\" Okay" writes:
> Could this be an OS/distro problem?
Could this be a "never upgraded GSM Firmware" problem?
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Carl Lobo writes:
> I'm really not too sure about this either, but I did manage to find a
> few manuals on the wolfson site and read up on the sound systems on
> the wiki, but from what I've been able to understand we need to setup
> the control connection using the regular bluez stack and bluez+a
Andy Green writes:
> As I understand it, the problem with CPU digital audio on BT is that
> there is no routing path in the WM8753 hardware between the two digital
> audio interfaces (CPU and BT). As in literally it's not there in
> the chip.
Routing audio between SoC and Bluetooth should be pos
Radek Polak writes:
>>> I wonder why nobody from the complaining has provided a usb debug log
>>> yet? Most probably with this log the issue can be fixed by upstream
>>> maintainer in a week or less. And yet nobody did that. Just get a
>>> debug log, shouldn't be that hard.
>>>
>>> But as nobody n
Mike Crash writes:
>> I wonder why nobody from the complaining has provided a usb debug log
>> yet? Most probably with this log the issue can be fixed by upstream
>> maintainer in a week or less. And yet nobody did that. Just get a
>> debug log, shouldn't be that hard.
>>
>> But as nobody needs i
Michal Brzozowski writes:
> Michal Brzozowski writes:
> > Do you need ones that can boot or just for storage?
>
> Do you really have a card that doesn't work with Qi and yet
> works ok with the kernel?
>
> Yes, Kingston 4gb SDHC.
Have you tried any Qi version after the new ye
Michal Brzozowski writes:
> Do you need ones that can boot or just for storage?
Do you really have a card that doesn't work with Qi and yet
works ok with the kernel?
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Shaz writes:
> I need some guidance on uSD cards because i tried a few locally available to
> my town but none are
> working. My understanding is that its the quality or I am making a
> mistake in compatibility.
First of all, make sure you're running 2.6.28 or later, there were
some quite import
Helge Hafting writes:
> Did you flash Qi to both NAND flash and NOR flash?
Flashing NOR is impossible without debug board or messing with hardware.
> But you have a working image, and linux has device drivers
> for flash devices. ( /dev/mtd* ) Reading them is no problem.
>
> So I believe it is p
Cédric Berger writes:
>> Gothnet schrieb:
>>> The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made
>>> windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver
>>> installed.
>>>
>>> Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible.
>> I don't kn
Margo Koppelmann writes:
> But there's one problem with the headset. I bought a 2.5->3.5 adapter
> for my headphones. And if I push it fully in then the music comes only
> from the right headphone. I have to pull it out a little for the music
> to come from both phones.
I bet you use an adapter w
Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes writes:
>> ... i'm not THE wiki editor ...
> (emphasis mine)
>
> Clearly you understand well how a wiki works :)
Clearly you don't know that Brenda works full-time for OM and her
official position is called "wiki editor".
And i edit wiki pages too when i see that i can co
David Reyes Samblas Martinez writes:
> mmm... too much anger and fury in your mail, please reread it, and ask to your
> self if you feel proud on how you have said it?
No, i'm not. I'm angry and rude, that's the fact and that's bad, i
agree.
> I will not say that you write your self on the wiki
Brenda Wang writes:
> Xglamo with acceleration making good progress to get glamo
> acceleration working within Xorg
WTF?
What the hell does it suppose to mean?
Why did you write nothing about the real X.org progress? About what
works and what doesn't and how to compile the driver?
Is X.org dri
Paul Fertser writes:
> I propose to look at the page where i outlined my rework:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix
Of course, that's only my take on implementation, the rework itself
was proposed and evaluated by Joerg Reisenweber, who also gave many
practical tips on h
Hi,
Al Johnson writes:
>> > There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware
>> > list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod.
>> > I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in
>> > the space available, and relocating
Al Johnson writes:
> On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
>> are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official
>> DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing?
>
> This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from
> the few p
Neil Jerram writes:
> 2009/1/25 arne anka :
ps: please cut the mail to the necessary minimum when replying.
>>> Sure, didn't realise it was an issue. Is it for bandwith/storage,
>>> readibility or something else?
>>
>> well, it is a tad annoying -- to have mail that stretches over sever
Pander writes:
> Will the normal phone improvements regarding noise and buzz also be fed
> back into the Om2008 distro?
Om2008.x is dead. Get used to it. No, no improvements will be fed back
there.
And GSM buzz is a hardware issue! No amount of "flashing" can solve
it. The fix was provided long
Hi,
"arne anka" writes:
> it would be very interesting if on of the hw guys (andy?) could point out
> if the procedure works for flashing u-boot and flash (when running from
> sd), too.
I wouldn't recommend to try to write u-boot on GTA01 using this method
unless you have a debug board. One
Hi,
Fox Mulder writes:
> I took a closer look at the build script and i'm quite sure that i'm
> interpreting it correct.
Silly me, i was looking at a slightly outdated version. :(
Feel free to fully update the wiki and remove all outdated info. No
need to create build dir by hand, btw.
Sorry f
Hi,
Fox Mulder writes:
> Sorry if i'm annoying you, but now it worked. :)
No problem, i'm glad it worked :)
> After i read "build" how you mentioned i found the problem why no
> modules tar.gz were created. The build script needs a second
> parameter
I think it needs a first parameter exactly
Fox Mulder writes:
> Could it be that i have to issue some command which produces the modules
> tar.gz file?
Oh, man... If you don't want to read ``build'' then please do it by
hand in the root of the build:
rm -rf staging
mkdir -p staging
make ARCH=arm modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=staging
c
Hi,
Fox Mulder writes:
> I installed the om toolchain and compiled the 2.6.28 kernel after some
> help of [1] and google with "./build dummy". After i compiled the kernel
> i got "dummy/uImage-GTA02.bin" what looks quite good so far.
> But how do i extract the compiled modules from the dummy dire
Hi,
Fox Mulder writes:
>> Actually, you can try to change from 2.6.24 after applying an ad-hoc
>> patch from http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/293 even on old
>> version that's provided by Debian (that's exactly what i did a month ago).
>>
> Ok.
> I downloaded the fso-frameworkd source, copi
Hi,
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) writes:
>> what exactly is patented that could not be reimplemented?
...
>> - completing a word from a dictionary based on the already available
>> string is done by several keyboard apps (even xvkbd afaik) w/o violating
>> any patents
>
> the last bit is
Hi,
"Jeffrey Ratcliffe" writes:
> 2009/1/5 Al Johnson :
>> Yes, and I think ogpsd is supposed to do this. Almanac and ephemeris is saved
>> when preparing for suspend, and loaded on resume, along with current time. If
>> things haven't changed too much while suspend then resume should be faster
>
Hi,
Fox Mulder writes:
> Paul Fertser wrote:
>> Sander van Grieken writes:
>>>> So the question is, when will the default kernel be replaced by the new
>>>> 2.6.28 andy kernel so that userspace tools could be adapted to it?
>>> That would be my
Hi,
Sander van Grieken writes:
>> So the question is, when will the default kernel be replaced by the new
>> 2.6.28 andy kernel so that userspace tools could be adapted to it?
>
> That would be my question as well.
>
> I only care for userspace to be adapted to test the suspend/resume
> functio
Hi,
Fox Mulder writes:
> Paul Fertser wrote:
>> Fox Mulder writes:
>>> And another thing is that i don't know how to switch to nand booting
>>> when powerup my freerunner. At the moment i only use debian from
>>> sd-card, but for testing purpose i ha
Hi,
Fox Mulder writes:
> And another thing is that i don't know how to switch to nand booting
> when powerup my freerunner. At the moment i only use debian from
> sd-card, but for testing purpose i have 2008.12 installed on nand. But
> now with qi i can't boot from nand as long as i have my sd-ca
Hi,
Paul writes:
> Urgh. Somehow I managed to destroy my 8GB card...
> I wanted to try Hackable on it, but on the FR there's no mkfs.vfat, and
> the Linux box won't recognise the card anymore except as a floppy-drive...
Have you tried creating a new partition table with fdisk?
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Hi,
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Paul Fertser writes:
>> echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c2440-sdi/driver/unbind
>
> Aha, so this should reduce power consumption?
As far as i understand it is as effective as sending the magic ioctl
and equally effective to su
Hi,
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
>> That's not good.
>> Is there another way to get the wlan status with help of a console
>> command like dbus or anything else?
>
> I am not sure. There's an ioctl but it seems to give different results
> than the power_on sysfs node.
It was recently clarified o
Hi,
"Peter Abplanalp" writes:
> can you also please point me to somewhere that tells me about
> how to use andy-tracking instead of stock and what things might be
> broken due to the /sys filesystem changes.
Basically you can try to use andy-tracking with FSO ms4 with a
quick-and-dirty patch fro
Hi,
Andy Green writes:
> | I'm afraid you need at least c59a8bdc7ca4b5470ebc43dfc31ed1d3d23a7c6f
> | to get stable operation with suspend/resume working. The latest image
> | at Andy's is from Dec 5, and the revision i use on the phone is from
> | Dec 8.
>
> Sounds right...
>
> | I suggest you co
Hi,
"Micha? Brzozowski" writes:
> Andy Green wrote:
>> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>>
>> | Okay; two Freerunner units, one restores semi-okay, one's screen
>> | typically goes all black after an otherwise successful restore (not
>> | before showing the appropriate display for a mom
Joel Newkirk writes:
> Still waiting for an answer from OM. (I posted a question in this thread
> Friday regarding Tanatalum instead of Ceramic cap - the difference being
> $0.25 vs $2 each in qty 100, and my radio guy thinks Tant is a good choice
> for filtering, but waiting for word from Steve o
Hi,
Harald Koenig writes:
> I tried to switch from the original 512MB SD card (which works fine with my
> gta02v5)
> to a 2GB Kingston card labeled SDC/2GB 30870-001.A00LF TAIWAN. but with this
> 2GB card
> I get read errors even in u-boot (both NOR from May 9 and NAND from
> Oct 7).
As far a
Hi,
Andy Green writes:
> | while, it gets unable to go to sleep. I can press the power button ten
> | times, it still stays on. Only way I found for now is to reboot. Not
> | pretty :/
>
> This is a kernel issue I think, it should be gone in andy-tracking based
> kernels with Balaji's new regulat
Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | Hi,
> |
> | Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> |> For example some advice for Jeremy about "suspend / resume issues"
> |> would be don't waste your time doing any suspend / resume work on
> |> 2.6.24 kern
Hi,
Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> For example some advice for Jeremy about "suspend / resume issues"
> would be don't waste your time doing any suspend / resume work on
> 2.6.24 kernel, only on andy-tracking.
I'm very sorry to jump in this thread. But this advice of yours is
so much s
(I CC smartphones.userland hoping to move the discussion there, it was
my fault to write about it in community, sorry)
Hi,
"Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Am Wednesday 26 November 2008 21:56:19 schrieb Paul Fertser:
>> "Michael &#
Hi,
"Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > Am Monday 24 November 2008 13:33:54 schrieb Paul Fertser:
>> >> I think i know what happens. If i
Hi,
Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 14:09, Arigead wrote:
>> mdbus -s $BUSNAME $OBJECTPATH $METHODNAME "$APN" "$USERNAME" "$PASSWORD"
>> APN="open.internet"
>>
>> Error while evaluating 'open.internet': 'builtin_function_or_method'
>> object has no attribute 'int
Hi,
"Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Am Monday 24 November 2008 13:33:54 schrieb Paul Fertser:
>> I think i know what happens. If i restart Zhone without restarting
>> frameworkd it never receives ReadyStatus signal from
>> o
Hi,
I understand that Zhone is not a fully functional phone application
and it is not supposed to be. But i think that fixing this bug is not
too hard for those who know framework and python well :)
I think i know what happens. If i restart Zhone without restarting
frameworkd it never receives Re
Hi,
"Evgeny Karyakin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 2008/11/24 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I'm not sure what's happening to you, but your dmesg traffic would be
>> pretty normal if you were entering and then leaving U-Boot... the
>> connection would indeed timeout (-110) when we leave U-Boo
Hi,
Timo Juhani Lindfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1
>> 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and
>> to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be added as well.
>
> Does this work for you with
Hi,
(i posted the reply off-list by occasion, sorry)
"Neil Jerram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1
>> 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and
>> to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be adde
Hello, everybody!
I think i found a universal (not only GTK) and easy (without special
tslib drivers) solution that should work on any X-server.
I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1
2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and
to middle-cl
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