Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...

2009-09-16 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 13.09.2009, 21:42 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
 Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime,
  not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having
  two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to
  choose between.
 
 The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the
 application use a standard protocol to sync-up.
 
 AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all
 tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen
 mode).  So mokomaze should use it.  And the FSO side should also
 support it.

Part of the xdg-utils suite by freedesktop.org is the tool
xdg-screensaver. It provides a unified interface to control, especially
prevent, screen blanking. It comes with support for KDE, Gnome and Xfce.
It should be relatively simple to add support for FSO as well, and I
always had that in mind as a proper, FSO independent solution for
mokomaze. I just did not yet come around to do it. If someone else wants
to give it a shot, that would be great.

Greetings,
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Re: GSM buzz-fix party in Braunschweig, Germany

2009-03-21 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Daniel,

Am Sonntag, den 15.03.2009, 18:42 +0100 schrieb Daniel Willmann:
 I have now performed a couple buzz fixes and feel pretty confident
 that I'll fix more phones than I'll break in the process. :-)
 (I haven't broken any phones until now)
 
 In order to gauge interest and plan ahead wrt ordering
 Resistors/Capacitors I'd like to know how many phones would come. The
 party will probably take place in mid April.
 If you are interested and would show up please mail me privately and
 also tell me how many phones you would bring.
 
 If all goes well I'll be doing this with support from Openmoko and will
 be able to replace any Freerunners I break in the process.

I’d be very interested (even without OM blessing), if it will be
possible to send the device by mail.

Thanks,
Joachim

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Re: Doodle für Karlsruhe User Meet II

2009-03-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hallo,

Am Freitag, den 13.02.2009, 16:13 + schrieb Joachim Breitner:
 die Resonanz war ja gut, und so will ich mal schauen ob wir nochmal ein
 Treffen hinbekommen. Hier ein Doodle mit ein paar Vorschlägen:
 
 http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=25cmwambxt2pihaq
 
 Die Geschenke von Pulster werde ich, wenn sie endlich hier ankommen,
 bunkern und dann beim nächsten Treffen verteilen.

ich hoffe ich erreiche alle interessierten über diese Mailingliste.
Bisher ist der nächste Mittwoch der einzige Termin, an dem alle
Doodle-Teilnehmer können, daher würde ich gern das nächste
OpenMoko-User-Meeting in Karlsruhe am

Mittwoch, 18.3.2009, in den Räumen des Entropia e.V.

veranstalten.

Ideen, was man an dem Abend machen können, bitte auf
http://entropia.de/wiki/OpenMoko_User_Meet. Dort ist auch eine
Anfahrtsbeschreibung verlinkt, für die, die zum ersten mal kommen
wollen.

Schönen Gruß,
Joachim

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Re: [Debian] Etk gui?

2009-02-22 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 21.02.2009, 22:53 +0100 schrieb Marcel:
 I'd at least like to try to build an Etk gui for Pythm. Problem: I have 
 Debian running and don't really want to change that, so I'm wondering if 
 there are e17 widget lib(s) available for it. The minimal etk gui example 
 from the wiki doesn't work since the python module etk is missing.
 Zhone doesn't seem to be a usable example for this case since it does all its 
 gui using custom graphics (and is not too clearly arranged...).

libetk (the C library) itself is not packaged yet, although it is amost
finished, according to the pkg-e team. (I’ve been saying that for a
while now, right).

When that is done, the python bindings need to be packaged. Other python
e bindings are present, so it should not be difficult, but needs to be
done.

You are best adviced to (politely) tell the pkg-e team that you would be
interested in a python-etk package at
pkg-e-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, maybe saying what you need it for,
asking if there is anything you can do to help, and thanking them for
their work. You know, in Free Software, motivation is the currency :-)

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: new web browser for Freerunner: Netsurf - check it out

2009-02-20 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 20.02.2009, 23:29 +0200 schrieb Aapo Rantalainen:
 I compiled and packed another web browser: netsurf (see:
 http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ )

thanks for the pointer. It’s packaged for Debian:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/netsurf
So if you are running Debian, you can check it out easily!

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Re: [need tester] Voicenote - record voice notes

2009-02-19 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 19.02.2009, 19:48 +0100 schrieb kimaidou:
 Thansk for your answer. 
 * it is my 1st package, and my first email was about asking some help.
 So thank for your reply
 * to build the ipk file I used
 http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=IPKG_Howto 
 So for me this was a blind building. I don't know what the builder
 put in the ipkg. Since I run debian, I was unable to test it under om
 or SHR. 
 * For the untar thing under debian : I would like people to test the
 thing. I did not knwow this way was the wrong way. I will try to build
 a debian package when I have time. But please do it if you are
 efficient in that.
 * I will try to follow your how to if you have no time to do it.

Generally, it is not expected that every author of any software can
create proper Debian packages – after all, some work must be left for
Debian maintainers.

So if you think your package is out of the “I only need testers, but no
users yet”-stage, feel free to contact
pkg-fso-ma...@lists.alioth.debian.org and tell us about your program, we
might package it for you.

If you want to make stuff easy for us, follow these also otherwise valid
rules:

 * If you use automake, use make dist to create release tarballs. Make
sure these contain everything. If you install additional data, make sure
they are properly installed by make install. 
 * If you package a python application or module, same thing applies,
only that you use ./setup.py sdist to create a tarball-
 * If your package is just files (e.g. shell scripts and data), just tar
them up and write in INSTALL where these should go.
 * Files in /usr/bin/ should not have endings like .sh or .py, these are
ugly when called from the shell and against Debian policy.
 * Put copyright and licensing statements in all source files, and
indicate where your icons are coming from and what license they are
under.

(this list is not exhaustive, but I’m tired, so that’s it for now :-)

Greetings,
Joachim

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Doodle für Karlsruhe User Meet II

2009-02-13 Thread Joachim Breitner
[English summary: Meeting in Karlsruhe again :-)]

Hallo,

die Resonanz war ja gut, und so will ich mal schauen ob wir nochmal ein
Treffen hinbekommen. Hier ein Doodle mit ein paar Vorschlägen:

http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=25cmwambxt2pihaq

Die Geschenke von Pulster werde ich, wenn sie endlich hier ankommen,
bunkern und dann beim nächsten Treffen verteilen.

Mickey, du bist natürlich auch herzlich eingeladen, dich an der
Terminfindung zu beteiligen, falls du vorbeikommen willst. :-)

Gruß,
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Re: Karlsruhe OpenMoko User Meet

2009-02-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

the Karlsruhe Openmoko user meet has successfully attracted 12
interested users and we had some inspiring discussion. More about it on
http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/318-Openmoko-User-Meeting-in-Karlsruhe.html
and pictures on
https://entropia.de/wiki/OpenMoko_User_Meet

Greetings,
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Karlsruhe OpenMoko User Meet

2009-02-05 Thread Joachim Breitner
[ Summary in english: OpenMoko users meet in Karlsruhe, Germany. ]

Hallo allerseits,

nach der Terminkoordination per doodle laden wir nun alle interessierten
FreeRunner- oder Neo-Besitzer am
 Mittwoch, 11.2.2009, um 19:00
in die Räume des Entropia e.V. ein.

Das Ganze wird, so wie es aussieht, ein formloses Treffen zum Ideen- und
Erfahrungsaustausch sein. Wenn aber jemand Lust hat, ein bestimmtes
Thema etwas intensiver vorzustellen, ist das natürlich sehr willkommen.
Ich habe eine Wiki-Seite auf der Homepage des Entropia angelegt, wer
derartige Vorschläge hat, kann sie dort gerne eintragen.
https://entropia.de/wiki/OpenMoko_User_Meet

Informationen zur Örtlichkeit findet Ihr auf
https://entropia.de/wiki/Anfahrt

Wer bei der Gelegenheit seinen PGP-Key signieren möchte, darf gern ein
paar Fingerprints mitbringen.

Bei Problemen, den Raum zu finden, könnt ihr mich unter 0176 40229212
erreichen (wenn ich nicht gerade die SIM-Karte im FreeRunner und diesen
in einem nicht funktionsfähigen Zustand habe).

Bitte gebt das auch an andere OpenMoko-User in und um Karlsruhe weiter,
falls diese nicht die Mailingliste lesen.

Bis Mittwoch,
Joachim

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Re: MyPaint 0.6

2009-02-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 02.02.2009, 22:26 +0100 schrieb Michele Renda:
 I tried the application on FR and this was the result:
 [1] 
 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/2009-02-01-050308_480x640_scrot.png
 [2] 
 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/2000-02-01-051141_480x640_scrot.png

these look as if the FreeRunner’s touch screen actually gives pressure
input to the application. Is that really the case?

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Re: Heidelberg/Mannheim Cafe Meet

2009-01-26 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 26.01.2009, 21:21 +0100 schrieb Thomas Hauth:
 Hi Niall !
 Would be great to have a Moko-Meeting in northern Baden-Württemberg! I 
 live in Karlsruhe, so it's no problem for me to travel to Heidelberg or 
 Mannheim. Looking forward to meeting you guys !

Karlsruhe sounds good to me :-)

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Re: can anyone clue me in on how the install.sh script works? it

2009-01-22 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 22.01.2009, 10:19 -0500 schrieb James Richardson:
 You will need to run it from a Linux computer with your Freerunner
 attached and booted into one of the OM distros. You have to
 right-click the link to the installer.sh file and save it to your
 Linux PC. Then make it executable with the command chmod +x
 installer.sh. Then just run it in a terminal. It will go through
 several stages to partition and format your SD Card and then
 download and unpack the Debian distro onto it over the USB connection.

eh, this sounds dangerous. Please, run the install.sh script on your
FreeRunner, not on your PC.

This should do quite nicely, when run _on the FreeRunner_
$ wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh
$ chmod +x install.sh
$ ./install.sh
# Read and understand
$ ./install.sh

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Re: [debian] pyphonelog?

2009-01-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 10.01.2009, 11:54 +0100 schrieb arne anka:
 while looking for something completely different, i stumbled over  
 pyphonelog -- which seems to be great app, serving a purpose i so far  
 satisfied with an ugly bash hack.
 but i am not quite sure if it is supposed to run under debian/fso since it  
 obviously requires ophonekitd of which there's no occurrence either in my  
 fr nor in the debian repo.
 
 so, how am i getting this app to work?

SHR packages for Debian are in the make. They will include ophonekitd.
Once that’s done (I was about to make an estimate, but, well, I better
don’t :-)), packaging pyhonelog should be easily possible.

But anything that requires ophonekit will require you not to use zhone,
but the SHR dialer (I think). Maybe the pyphonelog author should
consider talking to frameworkd directly.

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] RFH to create a usable illume setup

2009-01-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 10.01.2009, 18:39 +0300 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko:
 I've put together a set of armel debian packages, including latest Albin's 
 e17 package with illume included. See 
 http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2009-January/000877.html
 
 Yes, illume may be started on Debian now.
 No, it is not usable yet.
 
 Attempt to start it (by putting 'exec enlightenment_start' into 
 ~/.xsession) shows lots of issues:
 - font is tiny; attempt to enlarge it from setting dialog does not change 
 font in illume's title bar;
 - no applicatrion icons - can't start anything;
 - no keyboard.
 
 I'm seaching for helo from people familiar with illume on how to configure 
 it properly. Given information is found, I will probably be able to build 
 a ready-for-users package.

Thanks for taking care of that.

Note that although we currently have e17 in your (or pkg-fso’s)
repository, you should plan your modifications outside that package, as
we later want to be able to use the normal Debian package. I don’t know
anything about e17, but it should ideally be a separate package, or a
default configuration file installed by our installer into /root/.e*.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Debian install today Again phyton-evas and Zhone

2009-01-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 02.01.2009, 03:12 -0800 schrieb Jos vd Snepscheut:
 Sorry for asking but could the .deb on your site be corrupted? :-(

Quite likely:


 debian-gta02:~# wget www.ginguppin.de/node/24/python-evas_0.2.1-2_armel.deb
 --2009-01-02 10:54:13-- 
 http://www.ginguppin.de/node/24/python-evas_0.2.1-2_armel.deb
 Resolving www.ginguppin.de... 212.204.60.1
 Connecting to www.ginguppin.de|212.204.60.1|:80... connected.
 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
 Length: unspecified [text/html]
   ^
this should make you suspcious

 Saving to: `python-evas_0.2.1-2_armel.deb'
 
 [ =   ] 8,469   --.-K/s   in 0.1s   
  
 
 2009-01-02 10:54:14 (82.3 KB/s) - `python-evas_0.2.1-2_armel.deb' saved
 [8469]

and this shows the problem:

$ html2text python-evas_0.2.1-2_armel.deb 

[Home]
** ginguppin.de **
Man kann im leben auf vieles verzichten - aber nicht auf katzen und literatur
...
   * heise online news
   *
   * Bundeswehr auf dem Weg
 zur Vernetzen
 Operationsf��hrung
   * SCO: The same
[..]


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Re: [debian] navit: rendering is slow

2009-01-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 02.01.2009, 18:50 +0100 schrieb arne anka:
  --enable-avoid-float
  I think the first parameter to avoid floating point operations should
  help quite a bit on such a low performance system which has to do fp
  with integer commands.
 
 if it is indeed the one kazer had in mind. maybe it should be rather  
 configurable by config instead of hardcoding?
 and anyway it would be nice if configure could manage to enable those  
 fixes automatically depending on the target arch ...

actually, not by config but by looking at the hardware it runs on :-)

I don’t think it’d be inefficient if this check happens once at startup.
It’d increase the binary size, but that’d be ok for a general purpose
distro such as Debian.

But I see navit isn’t in the official Debian repositories yet, otherwise
I’d suggest you file a wishlist bug report. It would also be possible,
as an easiy solution, to set this flag depending on the architecture the
package is built for.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: [Pkg-e-devel] [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?

2008-12-22 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,


Am Montag, den 22.12.2008, 14:28 + schrieb Neil Jerram:
 2008/12/22 Albin Tonnerre albin.tonne...@gmail.com:
 
  There are no e17 packages in unstable (not in the debian archive, I mean)
  except eet. Maybe you're getting your packages from a third-party repository
  ?
 
  We put the image loaders and savers in the same package as libevas:
  libevas0, so you're likely not missing anything. Still, I'm curious about
  where those packages are from. Could you provide the result of `apt-cache
  policy libevas0` ? That would help
 
  Regards,
  Albin
 
 Many thanks for your response.  Unfortunately I can't try that command
 now, because I've overwritten my SD card with hackable:1.  From
 memory, though, I'm 99% sure that my sources.list only contained
 Debian and the pkg-fso repository.  It is feasible that the e17
 packages came from pkg-fso?

our installer, by default, activates the experimental distribution, so
that’s probably where it came from.

Note that the e17 in Debian experimental is from before the Illume
features were added.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Re: debian on freerunner

2008-12-21 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 20.12.2008, 16:32 +0100 schrieb Jos vd Snepscheut:
 Hello Andy and Michael,
 
 Thank you for your answers.
 
 No I did not use Qi=true!!!
 But now I did and debian is now up and running from SD!
 
 and now there is a new question:
 
 I do get an X screen with icons on the top level but there is no Zhone 
 (just a grey screen no desktop) how can I get one.
 
 thank and greetings

there is a problem with python-evas being out-of-sync with libevas. See
the list archives for packages built to work around this, and track
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508697
to see when this is fixed.

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Re: [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?

2008-12-21 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Neil,

Am Donnerstag, den 18.12.2008, 22:44 + schrieb Neil Jerram:
 I noticed that there are now e17 packages in debian unstable, and that
 these include -dbg packages.  Since my current e17 (from the
 enlightenment-all-in-one deb that someone put together) always SEGV's
 on startup, and since Raster has asked for backtrace with symbols when
 that happens, I thought I'd uninstall enlightenment-all-in-one and try
 the new Debian packages instead.
 
 But now, enlightenment_start bails with:
 
 ...
 ESTART: 1.49197 [0.75791] - test file format support
  Enlightenment Error 
 Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG
 loader support.
 
 (full output attached).
 
 From googling, it looks like I'm missing a package with name like
 evas-loader-png, which doesn't appear to be available in Debian yet,
 and I guess I just need to wait a bit longer for the packages to get
 to that.
 
 Is that all correct?  Or is there another problem / solution here?

I don’t know the details, but in any case you might get more inforation
by either filing a big against e17 (using reportbug), or writing the
pkg-e team (CC’ed).

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?

2008-12-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 07.12.2008, 21:07 +0300 schrieb Evgeniy Karyakin:
 I see it as environment broken and afraid to say saveenv which can 
 make this uncertain state permanent. What can it be, have anybody seen this?

In fact, I have. I observed this when I was trying to modify the uBoot
environment from the device, in the Debian installer. I wanted to
provide a way to completely do the installation from on the device. But
after my changes, I have seen the problems that you have, so I wrote the
configure-uboot.sh script.

You can still see my work in the debian installer, by running
$ ./install.sh uboot
which runs the code (it is not normally run by ./install.sh all).

If it turns out that the reason was just pure accident (or something),
and not the fact that I was modifying from on the device, we could
enable this and make the Debian installation even easier.

Test reports appreciated!

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Re: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?

2008-12-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 08.12.2008, 00:53 +0300 schrieb Evgeniy Karyakin:
  Test reports appreciated!
 
 I modified (shorten) your script for my needs and it works without 
 an error, although I haven't really got my end station. After flashing 
 environment with your script and then reading it back I see that 
 environment reflects the changes desired. But getting to u-boot console 
 shows me old env variables (printenv), and booting microSD card from NOR 
 menu actually invokes old menu_1 setting -- I can see that after ssh-ing 
 into the phone and seeing what's in /proc/cmdline. Strange.
 My modified script is in attachment in case you're curious.

Thanks. 

AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don’t share the environment – is
that right?

But that the NAND env is not modified is strange. Did you try reading it
back after a reboot?

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Re: TwitterMoko 0.4 out

2008-12-04 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 04.12.2008, 16:18 +0100 schrieb Carlo Minucci:
 there is not a package of twitux for openmoko, and i'm not know how to
 recompile. i talk about om2008 and SHR
 
 i have start to code twittermoko because i have not found a client for 
 om2008 :) only this

All very valid, and of course it it more fun and gives you more power
over your program. But generally, it’s advisable to re-use existing code
– in this case, instead of re-coding the applications, it would have
been more beneficial to the general community to make sure that twitux
and it’s dependencies are built in openembedded.

But that’s just my opinion, and again, don’t be discouraged by this.

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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 00:36 + schrieb Christopher J. White:
 On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote:
 
  Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?
 
 I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
 of an install.

Thanks!

  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
 between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
 duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
 pages.

I’d prefer if the debian.org wiki contains only concise install
information and maybe important warning. Unrelated or general stuff
(e.g. how to make a backup) ought to be moved out to a subpage or the
openmoko wiki IMHO and only linked.

The openmoko wiki page seems (and that’s ok) more a place for discussion
and further (inofficial, or risky) hacks related to Debian. I think this
is a useful separation. The openmoko wiki page needs to be cleaned up
thoroughly, it seem, as it is large, confusing and has some outdated
information.

TIA,
Joachim

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Re: TwitterMoko 0.4 out

2008-12-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 13:03 +0100 schrieb Carlo Minucci:
 i have released a new version of TwitterMoko (a client for twitter)

are there any DebianOnFreeRunner users that would use TwitterMoko? I
could package it, but as I’m not using twitter myself I would need
someone to test the package and be responsive to user requests.

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] gps still no solution

2008-12-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 15:20 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
 ...after installing new fso some weeks ago my gps stopped working...
 I installed all requested packages, fso-config-gta02, but no gps
 working (like previous versions...).
 I tried to downgrade but i have no idea what/where i have to download.
 I searched on wiki... checked all the possibilities and the frameworkd
 conf file...
 now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
 something to be packaged)... with debian comes only gpsd but seems
 that fso dislikes it, and the config file mentions only ogpsd...
 
 I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the
 hell??? ;-)
 with old fso??? 
 if i type
 cat /dev/ttySAC1 i have no output while when my gps worked i got lots
 of output...

it works here. Are you testing it with zhone?

Greetings,
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Re: TwitterMoko 0.4 out

2008-12-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Carlo,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 22:18 +0100 schrieb Carlo Minucci:
 Jelle De Loecker ha scritto:
 
  I'm currently using Twitux on my debian install, I don't mind trying out 
  TwitterMoko
  
  Greetings,
  Jelle De Loecker
 
 thanks :)

I looked a bit more at your project, and I have a few suggestions that
would make packaging it easier:

 * Please use a proper setup.py (using the python distutils) to 
   install your files into the proper locations. See 
   
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/openmoko-panel-plugin.git;a=blob;f=setup.py;h=d6056f95561b9a8f4f602fc968e0bc8e6ca7a18b;hb=HEAD
   as an example.
 * Using this setup.py, you can create proper and consistent tar-balls
   using ./setup.py sdist. Make sure that you set the version number
   corresponding, and check that all required files are included.

Given such a sdist-created tarball, one can easily make a
low-maintenance Debian package out of it, and also other distributions
can pick it up more easily than with an uncommon way of distribution
your software.

Additionally, while reading through your code, I’m wondering (please
don’t take this personally): Does TwitterMoko have any advantages over
existing projects such as twitux? What are it’s distinct features? Is
there a good reason to fork and launch curl for each access, passing all
parameters via the commandline and possibly not fully escaped, and
blocking on the output of curl, instead of using some asynchronous http
library directly?

Also, the config should be saved in, say ~/.twittermoko.cfg, instead of
a global place, and probably created with mode 660 (who knows, someone
might actually have a guest ssh login to his FreeRunner :-)

I hope this does not discourage you from working on TwitterMoko, but
give you some hints on how to improve it – but I think befor inclusion
in Debian, things have to evolve a litte bit.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: SHR applications on Debian

2008-12-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 15:01 +0100 schrieb Jelle De Loecker:
 No package 'libmokojournal2' found
 No package 'libmokoui2' found
 No package 'alsa' found
 
 Where can I get libmokojournal2  libmokoui2 ?
 Since they're also part of the 2007.2 branch, shouldn't they be in the 
 repository, too?

2007.2 hasn’t been packaged for Debian yet, so you’ll need to compile
these libraries yourself as well. Not sure what package will provide the
alsa dependency.

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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 18:50 +0100 schrieb Vinzenz Hersche:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 hello there,
 
 i want to try a xfce with debian and look into the manual to do this,
 but i've a problem. the file
 
 /etc/init.d/zhone-session
 doesn't exist. 

the Wiki is slightly outdated. nodm is a generic replacement for
zhone-session, which uses the standard Xsession way of finding out what
to start.

I suggest you modify /root/xsession to start xfce instead of matchbox.

Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

Greetings,
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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 20:20 +0100 schrieb Pander:
 What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
 so far:
 - enlightenment
 - icewm
 - xfce
 - ...

xmonad (but I didn’t try to compile my own configuration back then):
http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/300-Xmonad-on-my-mobile-phone.html

in general, any should work (if not, it’s a bug), but of course not all
make sense.

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Re: [debian] sources

2008-12-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 20:56 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
 deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
 deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main
 deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
 
 is it possible to have something less dangerous for everyday
 life? ;-) thanks

You can of course install Debian stable on your FreeRunner, but it won’t
contain any OpenMoko-specific software.

And I wouldn’t consider unstabe exactly dangerous – I’m using it since
over 6 years on my work machine.

Greetings,
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Re: SHR applications on Debian

2008-12-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 21:24 +0100 schrieb Jelle De Loecker:
 I'm not requesting any packages of the SHR applications for debian, I
 want to make them myself. (The applications, not the packages)
 
 I thought I'd just follow the build instructions on SHR's trac, but I'm
 not sure if that's the way to go.
 
 It talks more about building an image on a desktop instead of
 applications on a freerunner.
 
 So, is there another way, or are the build instructions correct?

the Debian way of building something is always “on” the machine (so
either the FreeRunner, or an armel qemu image which might be faster).
There, you can just build the SHR apps using the regular
$ ./configure  make  make install
step.

I have started to package SHR for Debian, but it misses some
enlightenmen libraries that will be packaged by the pkg-e team
eventually, but just hasn’t been done yet.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: [debian] sources

2008-12-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 22:38 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
 ;-)
 ...i was searching something more stable only for fso because of
 this annoiyng no gps fix issue that i got after the update two weeks
 ago...
 thanks a lot for your answer!

the old versions of packages can be fetched manually from
http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/. Some people have asked or
a unstable/stable repository switch, but there is not enough stable
software to warrant that :-)

(And not enough manpower...)


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Re: [Debian] TSLIB_TSDEVICE no longer getting set

2008-11-30 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 30.11.2008, 02:09 + schrieb Christopher J. White:
  AFAIR, it is not necessary anymore to set this variable,
  if /etc/X11/xorg.conf and/or the udev rules are set up correctly – did
  you by any chance modify that?
 
 I was running Xglamo at the time, so I had modified xorg.conf to point
 to Xglamo as the display device.

I thought Xglamo does not need any xorg.conf? But maybe that’s just
rumors.

 However, something happened that
 screwed that up, both for Xglamo as well as fbdev.  Right now neither
 will work.
 
 In fact, it's rather strange.  If I start xinit manually after setting
 TSLIB_TSDEVICE, it works:
 
 $ export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1
 $ /usr/bin/xinit /etc/X11/Xsession
 
 However, when I run it in a fashion similar to /etc/init.d/nodm, it
 fails:
 
 $ /bin/su --login --command /usr/bin/xinit /etc/X11/Xsession root
 
 This is despite putting the export command in .bashrc and verifying that
 it's set.  I even tried verifying that it was getting TSLIB_TSDEVICE:
 
 $  /bin/su --login --command printenv root
 [...]
 TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1
 
 However, it still fails to work.
 
 I removed and then reinstalled xserver-xglamo, and the error messages
 changed, but it still does not work.

This is the original xorg.conf, as installed by the install.sh script:

# Xorg confiugration for an Openmoko FreeRunner
Section InputDevice
Identifier  Configured Touchscreen
Driver  tslib
Option  CorePointer   true
Option  SendCoreEventstrue
Option  TslibDevice   /dev/input/event1
Option  Protocol  Auto
Option  Width 480
Option  Height640
EndSection

Section Device
Identifier  Configured Video Device
Driver  fbdev
EndSection


You still have problems with that file? Anything interesting in the X log file?

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: [Debian] TSLIB_TSDEVICE no longer getting set

2008-11-30 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 30.11.2008, 15:38 + schrieb Christopher J. White:
  So this tells me something changed that used to set the TSLIB vars
  before starting Xserver.  Can you grep for TSLIB for all files
  in /etc/X11 and below and see if you see it there anywhere?
 
 Putting TSLIB vars in the per-user .bashrc gets the pointer working for
 both root and my standard user, so I can move forward, but it's still
 very strange.

$ fgrep TSLIB -r /etc/
$ 

something’s very weird at your side.

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Re: OpenMooCow 0.2

2008-11-29 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 29.11.2008, 13:46 + schrieb Thomas White:
 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I took this as an encouragement to hack slightly on your code, so I
  did a slightly larger modification.
 
 Looks good.  Just one comment: O_NONBLOCK doesn't seem to be honoured
 for the Neo accelerometers (hence the select() stuff).  See this post
 on OM-Devel (and the responses):
 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003443.html
 
 I've added this to my Git tree for inclusion in later releases.

Nice. Is your git tree publicly available?

 For the purposes of the Debian package, are you happy to have this included
 from your own branch in the Debian Git repository, or would it be less
 complicated if I did a new upstream release with the HDAPS stuff?

I’d prefer to wait for a new upstream release – I try to avoid having a
different version in Debian than elsewhere if possible. But I’m
perfectly fine if you’ll just release it whenever you would have
released anyways.

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Re: [Debian] TSLIB_TSDEVICE no longer getting set

2008-11-29 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Christopher,

Am Samstag, den 29.11.2008, 16:18 + schrieb Christopher J. White:
 I've been trying to get gestikk [1] working, a mouse-gestures program
 that turns mouse gestures into keystrokes at the window manager level.
 This seems ideal for finger gestures to do things like scrolling,
 paging, etc in a generic fashion.

Nice program. What are you going to use as a toggle? AUX-Key?

 After working through package dependencies, and building a needed python
 module, I got it fulling installed and actually managed to get it to run
 and put it's icon in the tray.  Unfortunately, it requires
 right-click...i don't have the right-click tslib patch installed (yet),
 so I reran the program in a mode that allows configuration.  
 
 As soon as I did that, I seemed to lose pointer input.  /etc/init.d/nodm
 restart, reboot, all have no effect.
 
 I have traced it down to TSLIB_TSDEVICE no longer getting set.  If I
 manually export this set properly, and do startx, it works, I get my
 pointer back.
 
 I am running X as a normal user, but the same happens when reverting
 back to root as well.
 
 So, what happened?  I can't figure out how /etc/init.d/nodm is supposed
 to setup environment variables that tslib needs. 

AFAIR, it is not necessary anymore to set this variable,
if /etc/X11/xorg.conf and/or the udev rules are set up correctly – did
you by any chance modify that?

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Re: OpenMooCow 0.2

2008-11-27 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 27.11.2008, 20:02 + schrieb Thomas White:
 - Code simplified and altered to make it easier to add support for
 other types of accelerometer.

Nice! I hacked up some hdaps (read: Thinkpads) support, tested on a
T41p:
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/openmoocow.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbf866bf383f6a056542adc234ee77a79bab1ffe

It now moos when tilting your laptop 90° away from to or towards you
(and again when you tilt it upright, due to the latest change).


Greetings,
Joachim

PS: Enrico, I felt free to run git-import-orig to have something to
branch of, but I left the rest of packaging the new version to you :-)

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Re: OpenMooCow 0.2

2008-11-27 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Thomas,

Am Donnerstag, den 27.11.2008, 22:09 + schrieb Thomas White:
  It now moos when tilting your laptop 90° away from to or towards you
  (and again when you tilt it upright, due to the latest change).
 
 Hmmm...mooing when tilted either way makes more sense for something
 like a phone than for a laptop.  If you decide this doesn't feel
 right, feel free to revert this when using the Thinkpad driver (not
 that you need any permission for that, of course).  When you're happy
 with the Thinkpad support, could you send me a patch to for the next
 version?  (If a new version is ever necessary...).

I took this as an encouragement to hack slightly on your code, so I did
a slightly larger modification. The diff is here:
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/openmoocow.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c2116a1df2bb5ff54754f87fc8eb216fe355dd2

And the patch comment is
“Slight refactorization: The decision, whether a moo should happen, is
moved to the driver-specific code (because it knows best what kind of
device to expect). A member “state” is added to the accel struct which
can be used to implement a state machine inside the driver (as was done
before with pos).”

One could probably change the -1000 and 1000 values in the freerunner
driver now to 0 and 1, to indicate the two states (upside down or not),
but I didn’t want to be too intrusive :-)

I have attached the complete diff against your release.

Greetings,
Joachim

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diff --git a/src/accelerometers.c b/src/accelerometers.c
index 61118fc..b1deb7c 100644
--- a/src/accelerometers.c
+++ b/src/accelerometers.c
@@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ struct input_event {
 };
 #define EV_SYN (0x00)
 #define EV_REL (0x02)
+#define EV_ABS (0x03)
 #define SYN_REPORT (0x00)
 #define REL_X (0x00)
 #define REL_Y (0x01)
@@ -63,9 +64,17 @@ AccelHandle *accelerometer_open() {
 	accel-lx = 0;
 	accel-ly = 0;
 	accel-lz = 0;
+	accel-state = 0;
 	accel-type = ACCEL_UNKNOWN;
 	
 	/* Determine accelerometer type */
+	accel-fd = open(/dev/input/by-path/platform-hdaps-event-joystick, O_RDONLY, O_NONBLOCK);
+	if ( accel-fd != -1 ) {
+		accel-type = ACCEL_HDAPS;
+		printf(ThinkPad HDAPS detected\n);
+		return accel;
+	}
+
 	accel-fd = open(/dev/input/event3, O_RDONLY, O_NONBLOCK);
 	if ( accel-fd != -1 ) {
 		accel-type = ACCEL_FREERUNNER;
@@ -80,7 +89,48 @@ AccelHandle *accelerometer_open() {
 
 }
 
-void accelerometer_update_freerunner(AccelHandle *accel) {
+int accelerometer_moo_hdaps(AccelHandle *accel) {
+
+	struct input_event ev;
+	size_t rval;
+	
+	rval = read(accel-fd, ev, sizeof(ev));
+	if ( rval != sizeof(ev) ) {
+		fprintf(stderr, Couldn't read accelerometer data);
+		return 0;
+	}
+	if (ev.type == EV_ABS  ev.code == REL_Y) {
+		if (accel-state == 0  abs(ev.value)100) {
+			// Laptop tilted far enough
+			accel-state=1;
+			return 0;
+		}
+
+		if (accel-state == 1  abs(ev.value)70) {
+			// Laptop tilted back, play sound
+			accel-state=2;
+			return 1;
+		}
+		
+		if (accel-state == 2  abs(ev.value)20) {
+			// Laptop almost at center, enable another round
+			accel-state=0;
+			return 0;
+		}
+	}
+
+	return 0;
+		
+	/*
+ 	fprintf(stderr, Event: time %ld.%06ld, type %s, code %d, value %d\n,
+		   ev.time.tv_sec, ev.time.tv_usec,
+		   ev.type == EV_REL ? REL : 
+   ev.type == EV_ABS ? ABS : Other ,
+		   ev.code, ev.value);
+	*/
+}
+
+int accelerometer_moo_freerunner(AccelHandle *accel) {
 
 	struct input_event ev;
 	size_t rval;
@@ -88,7 +138,7 @@ void accelerometer_update_freerunner(AccelHandle *accel) {
 	rval = read(accel-fd, ev, sizeof(ev));
 	if ( rval != sizeof(ev) ) {
 		fprintf(stderr, Couldn't read accelerometer data);
-		return;
+		return 0;
 	}
 	
 	if ( ev.type == EV_REL ) {
@@ -111,23 +161,35 @@ void accelerometer_update_freerunner(AccelHandle *accel) {
 		}
 	}
 
+	if ( (accel-y  -500)  (accel-state  -1000) ) {
+		accel-state = -1000;
+		return 1;
+	}
+
+	if ( (accel-y  500)  (accel-state  1000) ) {
+		accel-state = 1000;
+		return 1;
+	}
+
+	return 0;
 }
 
-void accelerometer_update(AccelHandle *accel) {
+int accelerometer_moo(AccelHandle *accel) {
 
 	switch ( accel-type ) {
 		case ACCEL_UNKNOWN : {
-			return;
+			return 0;
 		}
 		case ACCEL_FREERUNNER : {
-			accelerometer_update_freerunner(accel);
-			break;
+			return accelerometer_moo_freerunner(accel);
+		}
+		case ACCEL_HDAPS : {
+			return accelerometer_moo_hdaps(accel);
 		}
-		/* Add other types here. You simply need to provide the y
-		 * component of acceleration in milli-g in the relevant
-		 * structure. */
+		/* Add other types here. */
 	}
 
+	return 0;
 }
 
 /* The accelerometer work thread */
@@ -135,22 +197,14 @@ static void *accel_work(void *data) {
 
 	AccelHandle *accel;
 	int *finished = data;
-	int pos = 0;
 	
 	accel = accelerometer_open();
 	audio_setup();
 	
 	while ( !(*finished) ) {
 	
-		

Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin v0.6

2008-11-25 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 25.11.2008, 16:13 + schrieb Christopher J. White:
 1) Startup
 
 Launching from .xsession doesn't work.  I am running as a non-root user
 using the following .xsession:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat .xsession
 #!/bin/sh
 openmoko-panel-plugin 
 zhone 
 xfce4-session
 
 I get the following in .xsession-errors:
 
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin, line 1679, in module
 icon = PanelPlugin(dbus_object)
   File /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin, line 78, in __init__
 self.configReader()
   File /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin, line 101, in configReader
 self.appendIcon(plugin)
   File /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin, line 105, in appendIcon
 self.icons.append(GSMIcon(self.dbus, self))
   File /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin, line 668, in __init__
 UsageIcon.__init__( self, dbus, Turn on GSM, Turn off GSM,
 GSM, parentObject, gsm )
   File /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin, line 524, in __init__
 self.resourcestate =
 self.dbus.usage_iface.GetResourceState(self.resourcename)
   File /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/dbus/proxies.py, line 68, in
 __call__
 return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords)
   File /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/dbus/proxies.py, line 140, in
 __call__
 **keywords)
   File /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/dbus/connection.py, line 622,
 in call_blocking
 message, timeout)

this is not a full backtrace, the important bit is missing at the end
(the exception).

 After the system is up, I can successfully start openmoko-panel-plugin
 manually.

Yesterday I uploaded a version (0.6-2.1) with a crude hack to hopefully
avoid this – please try again with that.

 2) Scrolled of the right edge
 
 Once started manually, I can only see the leftmost 1 or two icons.  The
 others are off the right side of the screen.  I notice if I change the
 panel size to the smallest (16) I see almost all of them, but still
 seems to clip off the right, but at this size, its too small to be
 useful.  Perhaps the width is not being calculated correctly?
 
 I also notice that when I added wicd for wireless, which adds another
 icon, it pushed openmoko-panel-plugin icons further to the right.
 
 Here's the package I'm working with:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache showpkg openmoko-panel-plugin
 Package: openmoko-panel-plugin
 Versions: 
 0.6-2
 (/var/lib/apt/lists/pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-armel_Packages)
  (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
  Description Language: 
 
 File: 
 /var/lib/apt/lists/pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-armel_Packages
   MD5: 91e0d1a51beeb04950500e2d038586f4


Maybe the notification area applet in your xfce-panel is just too far to
the right?

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin v0.6

2008-11-25 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 25.11.2008, 18:02 +0100 schrieb Christian Adams:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 
 Am 25.11.2008 um 17:54 schrieb arne anka:
 
  Yesterday I uploaded a version (0.6-2.1) with a crude hack to  
  hopefully
  avoid this – please try again with that.
 
  what did you do? i had no spare time last weekend to look further  
  in this,
  but intended to do the upcoming one.
 
 same question from me ;)
 did dl the package, but was unable to find what you did
 (our actual devel-version got a _lot_ of changes since 0.6 .. ;) )

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/openmoko-panel-plugin.git;a=commitdiff;h=8483ec9d709d95e80413ebe3ce916ae131bbedb5

It really was just a crude hack that made it work for me. I’m assuming
you’ll want a proper fix for handling not-yet-existing resources or dbus
names in the release.

Greetings,
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Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...

2008-11-23 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 23.11.2008, 11:38 +0100 schrieb Paul:
 I must admit I had just started the upgrade command and went off to do 
 different things...
 
 What I recall seeing at the end was the mention of a problem making a 
 backup link to uImage.bin after which the upgrade exited with code 1.

do you have FAT as your /boot partition? It turned out that that is a
bad idea when managing the kernel with dpkg. You can either
 * Reformat it as ext2, adjust /etc/fstab, adjust uBoot env and
re-install kernel package
 * Remove the kernel package and manually download and install your
kernels.

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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5

2008-11-13 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 12.11.2008, 18:29 -0800 schrieb photonmedia:
 I really appreciate all the work and suggestions on this project. This panel
 makes a great addition to zhone and almost eliminates the need to have any
 additional panels running (such as fbpanel or gnome-panel) for normal phone
 usage.
 
 One question, is there an easy way via gui or .conf file to adjust the size
 of the panel. I have fat fingers and the icons are a bit small for me to hit
 without grabbing a stylus. If the panel was say, 40p tall then I think it
 would be a bit more accessible. Thats the size I currently have fbpanel set
 to.

check the manpage for trayer and adjust /root/.xsession (assuming you
are not running zhone-session any more).

Greetings,
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Re: FSO M4 - nice GSM sound

2008-11-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 11.11.2008, 19:54 +0100 schrieb Peter Mogensen:
 I just wanted to congratulate the FSO team for their new images.
 For the first time I have perfect sound over GSM. No echo, no buzz.

same here, buzz and echo seem to be gone. Although I think the other
side’s volume is a bit low here, and vica versa – what do you think?

Greetings,
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[debian] “Official” installer revision now always in git

2008-11-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

just a quick announcement from the Debian folks. Because we continually
improve the installer script, it turned out to be most useful if
everyone uses the latest version. Therefore, the official place to get
the source is now
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blob_plain;f=install.sh

The old URL at http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh
can still be used (it might be easier to type if you can’t copy’n’paste,
and wget will save it under a nice name), as it’s just a redirect to the
URL mentioned above.

Notable changes are:
  * The use of the general auto-login script “nodm” instead of
zhone-session. Session configuration can now be done by
modifying /root/.xsession.
  * Device independent frameworkd and accompanying configuration
packages. If apt-get upgrade breaks your FreeRunner, try to run
apt-get install fso-config-gta02
  * openmoko-panel-plugin installed by default (running in trayer),
to provide keyboard toggle and device control.
  * The use of the packaged kernel instead of wget/tar. To get this
going, run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02

Most of these are due to Luca “Gismo” Capello’s great work.


Greetings,
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Re: (Debian) Problem installing kernel modules

2008-11-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 07.11.2008, 20:55 +0100 schrieb Paul:
 to get things going, like I did with the 512MB card, and that ran fine. 
 The installer-script is right, too: the directory mentioned does not 
 exist. Now, what is the smart thing to do?

Without knowing what goes wrong, try this unreleased version of the
installer:
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blob_plain;f=install.sh;h=HEAD;hb=HEAD

It will install the kernel from a Debian package (and not with
wget/tar), maybe then your problem does not occur.

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] [FSO] zhone not working

2008-11-06 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 06.11.2008, 16:15 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
 Hi all,
 i re-flashed my debain some minutes ago and now zhone behaves like
 connecting w/ dbus all time, so i'm not able to use
 openmoko-panel-plugin od sephora neither...
 it semme something like http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/147
 no idea how to fix it...

can you log in via ssh and check if frameworkd and dbus-server is
running?

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] [FSO] zhone not working

2008-11-06 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 06.11.2008, 16:58 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
 no i didn't upgrade, i just re-instaled my debian on the sd.
 installing appropriate fso-config and fso-sounds and
 copying /usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/frameworkd.conf in /etc

If you install fso-config-gta02, you don’t have to copy anything anymore
– I assume that that broke it. Try
rm /etc/frameworkd.conf
apt-get --reinstall install fso-config-gta02

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Re: debian mailing list confusion, Was: openmoko-panel-plugin: patch and bug

2008-11-05 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.11.2008, 21:27 +0100 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 15:18 +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote:
  I consider pkg-fso to be strictly related to Debian _packaging_
  issues.
  In that sense, the mail was sent appropriately (as it was a request for
  inclusion in Debian), but a separate release-announcement for the
  general audience to smartphone-userland would have been good, I guess.
 yes, it would have been, but the idea to post to the pkg-fso list first
 was to stop distributing the packages via my own page but through the
 pkg-fso repo. so i planed to post a announcement after the upload to the
 pkg-fso repo. 

That makes sense. 

BTW, the package has been uploaded to the archive, arne, can you
re-check your problems?

And Sebastian, how comes that your mail address is added to the
Reply-To? Are you sending from another one that is subscribed? Did you
configure it that way?

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5

2008-11-05 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.11.2008, 21:47 +0100 schrieb Fox Mulder:
 * added new 'icon' for button-handling:
 *   aux:
 * on short press: keyboard-toggle
 * on longer press (2 sec) window (for now only with
  close-button) opens
 *   power:
 * on short press: for now nothing happens
 * on longer press (2 sec) window with buttons opens:
 *   suspend (functional)
 *   shutdown (for now non-functional)
 *   close (closes window)
 This is a really nice feature but it collides with the zhone power
 button behaviour. When i run zhone and press the power button for 2s my
 fr goes into suspend just a tick after it displays your new menu. After
 i resume it still shows your menu and goes into suspend a second time.
 After i shortly press power again it resumes and stays on while still
 showing your menu. Don't know why it goes into suspend again after the
 first resume.
 So maybe it would be good to show your suspend/shutdown window after a
 short press and not a 2s press?
 For this button there is no problem with accidential pressing so i think
 we need no time delay.

This will go away once milestone4 is out, as then zhone will suspend
upon a very short press, but not after a longer press.

One could argue that zhone should not do suspend at all if
openmoko-panel-plugin is installed. We could do that in Debian as a
specific change if it is wanted

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debian mailing list confusion, Was: openmoko-panel-plugin: patch and bug

2008-11-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 02.11.2008, 13:51 +0100 schrieb arne anka:
  http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2008-October/000269.html
 
 of what use is smartphone-userland if messages of this kind are not posted  
 there?
 
 seems i have to subscribe to pkg-fso-maint, too, since a lot of messages  
 i'd expect in smartphone-userlands or even community/[EMAIL PROTECTED] are 
 posted  
 only there.
 that means i got 5 or 6 ml now just to cover the freerunner ...

I know, and I don’t like the situation either. Some important mails are
only sent to one list, other discussions are cross-posted to more than
one list and every second mail I read I have read twice.

I consider pkg-fso to be strictly related to Debian _packaging_ issues.
In that sense, the mail was sent appropriately (as it was a request for
inclusion in Debian), but a separate release-announcement for the
general audience to smartphone-userland would have been good, I guess.

But I think this stuff will settle after a while. At least I don’t think
that adding or removing mailinglists, or putting up written (and soon
outdated) guidelines helps.

But yes, every user of Debian on the FreeRunner is invited to join
pkg-fso if they want to know about the issues we have, about new
developments etc.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: openmoko-panel-plugin: patch and bug

2008-11-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 03.11.2008, 10:54 +0100 schrieb arne anka:
 the new package you linked to misses at least most of the gsm-icons, took  
 me some time to figure out why the signal strength was not displayed  
 anymore.
 donwloaded the src-tar.gz and copied all icons over from pixmaps/.

Sebastian, did you see my changes in 0.4-1.2? This patch should make
sure that all files in pixmaps/ are shipped in the tarball created
by ./setup.py sdist:

--- openmoko-panel-plugin-0.4.orig/setup.py
+++ openmoko-panel-plugin-0.4/setup.py
@@ -21,6 +21,8 @@
 
 from distutils.core import setup
 import os
+from glob import glob
+
 
 setup(name='openmoko-panel-plugin',
 description='Panel Plugin to display the openmoko FR powerstates',
@@ -29,9 +31,14 @@
 version='0.4',
 license='GPL_v2',
 scripts=['openmoko-panel-plugin'],
-data_files=[('/usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugin', 
['pixmaps/battery_000.png', 'pixmaps/battery_000_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_010.png', 'pixmaps/battery_010_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_020.png', 'pixmaps/battery_020_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_030.png', 'pixmaps/battery_030_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_040.png', 'pixmaps/battery_040_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_050.png', 'pixmaps/battery_050_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_060.png', 'pixmaps/battery_060_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_070.png', 'pixmaps/battery_070_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_080.png', 'pixmaps/battery_080_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_090.png', 'pixmaps/battery_090_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_100.png', 'pixmaps/battery_100_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/bt_0.png', 'pixmaps/bt_1.png', 'pixmaps/gps_0.png', 
'pixmaps/gps_1.png', 'pixmaps/gsm_0.png', 'pixmaps/gsm_1.png', 
'pixmaps/matchbox-keyboard_0.png', 'pixmaps/matchbox-keyboard_1.png', 
'pixmaps/wifi_0.png', 'pixmaps/wifi_1.png',]),
-('/usr/share/applications', 
['openmoko-panel-plugin.desktop']),
-],
+data_files=[
+('/usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugin',
+glob('pixmaps/*.png')
+),
+('/usr/share/applications',
+['openmoko-panel-plugin.desktop']
+),
+],
 )

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Re: new numptyphysics for freerunner is out

2008-11-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 03.11.2008, 15:07 +0200 schrieb Aapo Rantalainen:
 Hi all, Numptyphysics, this great physics drawing game, is reborn!
 (http://www.opkg.org/package_3.html)
 There are not yet new upstream release, but there are lots of new
 things in svn-repository. So we can now play numptyphysics0.2-svn109
 on our Freerunners. (Tested with Debian and Fdom).
 
 upstream news:  (https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=638)
 -newer physics engine (Box2d v2.0.1 http://www.box2d.org)
 -scalable window with commandline parameters (so every platfrom will
 use same datafiles)
 -faster drawing
 -more levels
 -action replays
 
 port news:  ( http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/rantalai/freerunner/numptyphysics/ )
 -onSceenKeyboard (control-panel)
 -action replays removed (doesn't yet work correct with freerunner)
 -NextLevel-dialog-overlay is non-draggable (so clicking it is easier)
 
 
 Summa summarum:
 Game can be played landscaped, without keyboard and it uses same
 datafiles than any other numptyphysics-port.

are there plans to merge these changes to upstream Numptypythings
somehow (e.g. by somehow detecting if the input method is a graphics
tablet/touchscreen)? If not, what would be an appropriate package name
of your port for Debian (where the “regular” numptyphysics might end up
some day as well). Maybe numptyphysics-keyboardless?


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Re: openmoko-panel-plugin: patch and bug

2008-11-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 02.11.2008, 12:33 +0100 schrieb arne anka:
 after a few minutes the polling of at least the battery state stops --  
 little investigation shows an exception, because the dbusgsmstate dict  
 seems not to contain the key registration

what version of the panel plugin ist that? The packaged one, or the
newly released 0.5?

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Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging

2008-11-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 01.11.2008, 18:40 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
 Hi all,
 just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going?
 thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian)
 d

the Debian enlightenment packaging team has slowly started to upload the
new snapshot and and I have heard that they plan to package illume as
well. You can watch the progress at
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html
and
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-
November/thread.html
(once that’s present), or query them at 
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Re: [debian/zhone] Start up customization

2008-10-29 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 29.10.2008, 19:20 + schrieb Neil Jerram:
 As they stand, I don't believe the zhone startup files support user
 customization.  Such as (in my case) starting up fbpanel and
 openmoko-panel-plugin.  Of course, you can change conf files under
 /etc, but then you'll have a conflict to resolve on next upgrade.
 
 I think what could work is
 - in /etc/init.d/zhone-session, don't pass $PROG_FSO to /etc/X11/Xsession
 - instead, drop a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d which would set
 STARTUP to zhone-session if not already set; this would come after the
 file that looks for ~/.xsession.
 
 Then a user can customize the startup by creating a .xsession which
 ends with running zhone-session.
 
 So (i) does that sound good, and (ii) if so, who should I send a patch to?

what you describe has already happend, ans is renamed to “nodm” (for no
display manager). It is basically zhone-session, with all zhone-specific
parts removed. And it does indeed just start ~/.xsession (if no desktop
environment is installed), where the installer puts the default zhone
startup.

to switch, just run (via ssh, because it will kill your X server)
apt-get --purge remove zhone-install
apt-get install nodm
and put a suitable session in ~/.xsession

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Re: [debian/zhone] Start up customization

2008-10-29 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 29.10.2008, 23:03 + schrieb Neil Jerram:
  apt-get install nodm
  and put a suitable session in ~/.xsession
 
 In case anyone else wants to use it, my .xsession is now:
 
 #!/bin/sh
 fbpanel 
 openmoko-panel-plugin 
 zhone 
 exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no
 
 and works well.  (I'm not sure what the matchbox-keyboard-toggle was
 for in the old /usr/bin/zhone-session; is that what made the AUX
 button toggle the keyboard?  Anyway, if you use openmoko-panel-plugin,
 you get a keyboard popup button, so don't need the AUX button as
 well.)

Yes, it was just that, keyboard pop up on AUX

 And a vaguely related tip: as a terminal I recommend xfce4-terminal
 rather than xterm, as it has scrollbars that can be operated with only
 left click, and also a nicer default font.

Thx for the tip. Note that it has some dependencies that not everyone
might want (gtk stuff, xfce stuff), so it’s not suitable as a default.

One could however evaluate other terminal emulators, like
rxvt-unicode-lite, wterm, xvt (very small!). Volunteers? 

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Re: [debian] upgrading zhone-session error

2008-10-27 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 27.10.2008, 14:19 + schrieb Alastair Johnson:
 Joachim Breitner wrote:
  Am Montag, den 27.10.2008, 11:28 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
  sorry...
  i killed zhone-session... and now the upgrade is complete.
  d
 
  just a question: are there some replacements for zhone planned?
  
  You mean a different dialer? So far, no one has expressed interest.
 
 Apart from SHR, tichy and the one I've forgotten the name of...

Maybe I’m a bit off, but last time I looked SHR did not have a readily
working dialer app. And is tichy more than a proof of concept?

Anyways, if there is user interest, nothing stands in the ways of
packaging more dialers than zhone (as long as they use the FSO
frameworkd, at least).

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Re: [Debian] Benefits of Kernel on separate Partition

2008-10-27 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 27.10.2008, 15:17 -0700 schrieb feywulf:
 Hello,
 
 Aside from the tradition of 2 partitions due to the old uboot needing
 the kernel in a fat partition, Is there a benefit to keeping the
 kernel on a separate partition?

I have heard rumors that uboot will not read very large ext2/3
partitions, therefore we create a small one in front. How large is your
card?

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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4

2008-10-25 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 02.10.2008, 18:32 +0200 schrieb Fox Mulder:
 I previously posted a note that the actual 0.4 package misses quite some
 icons. So to get it to work you just have to put the missing icons back
 to /usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugins.
 You can get the icons from
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz
 
 It misses the following icons:
 brightness.png
 usb_drive.png
 usb_host.png
 usb_net.png
 gsm_000.png
 gsm_020.png
 gsm_040.png
 gsm_060.png
 gsm_080.png
 gsm_100.png

Sorry for taking so long to react, but I finally noticed that there
should be more icons that I saw :-)

New version 0.8-1.2 uploaded to the pkg-fso repository.

Sebastian, here is the relevant patch:

--- openmoko-panel-plugin-0.4.orig/setup.py
+++ openmoko-panel-plugin-0.4/setup.py
@@ -21,6 +21,8 @@
 
 from distutils.core import setup
 import os
+from glob import glob
+
 
 setup(name='openmoko-panel-plugin',
 description='Panel Plugin to display the openmoko FR powerstates',
@@ -29,9 +31,14 @@
 version='0.4',
 license='GPL_v2',
 scripts=['openmoko-panel-plugin'],
-data_files=[('/usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugin', 
['pixmaps/battery_000.png', 'pixmaps/battery_000_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_010.png', 'pixmaps/battery_010_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_020.png', 'pixmaps/battery_020_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_030.png', 'pixmaps/battery_030_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_040.png', 'pixmaps/battery_040_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_050.png', 'pixmaps/battery_050_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_060.png', 'pixmaps/battery_060_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_070.png', 'pixmaps/battery_070_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_080.png', 'pixmaps/battery_080_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_090.png', 'pixmaps/battery_090_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/battery_100.png', 'pixmaps/battery_100_charging.png', 
'pixmaps/bt_0.png', 'pixmaps/bt_1.png', 'pixmaps/gps_0.png', 
'pixmaps/gps_1.png', 'pixmaps/gsm_0.png', 'pixmaps/gsm_1.png', 
'pixmaps/matchbox-keyboard_0.png', 'pixmaps/matchbox-keyboard_1.png', 
'pixmaps/wifi_0.png', 'pixmaps/wifi_1.png',]),
-('/usr/share/applications', 
['openmoko-panel-plugin.desktop']),
-],
+data_files=[
+('/usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugin',
+glob('pixmaps/*.png')
+),
+('/usr/share/applications',
+['openmoko-panel-plugin.desktop']
+),
+],
 )
 
and this got rid or warnings in some occations (although there are more
gsmstate-related bugs present)

--- openmoko-panel-plugin-0.4.orig/openmoko-panel-plugin
+++ openmoko-panel-plugin-0.4/openmoko-panel-plugin
@@ -650,7 +650,7 @@
 try:
 self.dbusgsmstate = Interface(self.resources_proxy[GSMVALS], 
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network).GetStatus()
 except:
-self.dbusgsmstate = None
+self.dbusgsmstate = {}

 try:
 self.brightness = 
dbus_object.device_display_iface.GetBrightness();



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Re: [Debian] installer script

2008-10-23 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 22.10.2008, 10:54 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
 then i mounted the 512mb in my pc, checked the partition values (size,  
 type), copied the content of the first one (kernel and a text file whose  
 purpose i do not yet grasp)
it should be a text file that, just for reference, contains the URL of
the installed kernel

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Re: [Debian] installer script

2008-10-23 Thread Joachim Breitner
HI,

Am Donnerstag, den 23.10.2008, 12:42 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
  type), copied the content of the first one (kernel and a text file whose
  purpose i do not yet grasp)
  it should be a text file that, just for reference, contains the URL of
  the installed kernel
 
 that i did understand -- but has it other meanings but to offer the user a  
 link? ie, does the system somehow rely on that file?

no :-)

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Re: [Debian/FSO] Reliable restart of zhone?

2008-10-21 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 21.10.2008, 11:21 +0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm having some issues with Zhone.
 Sometimes I cant answer a call, sometimes Zhone loses its connection
 with the gsm network withouth notifying me.
 
 Maybe the bugs are in Zhone, maybe they are in frameworkd, but how do I
 restart Zhone/frameworkd reliably?

in the xterm:

killall zhone
/etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop
/etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd start
zhone 

or alternatively via ssh

/etc/init.d/zhone-session stop
/etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop
/etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd start
/etc/init.d/zhone-session start

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Re: auto-suspend with Debian

2008-10-20 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 20.10.2008, 15:00 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
 The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
 explicily ask for it before your FR suspends.  At first I thought it
 would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
 too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
 automatically fall back asleep afterwards.
 
 How can I make it auto-suspend?

Does FSO auto-suspend? If so, since what version?

Generally, we try not to diverge too much from the FSO image, so if
there are problems with Debian that are also present in FSO, then they
probably ought to be tackled there first.

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Re: Illume on Debian

2008-10-20 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 20.10.2008, 16:28 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
 On Wednesday 17 September 2008 17:25:25 you wrote:
  Hi,
  
  Am Mittwoch, den 17.09.2008, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
   Is there any way I can help accelerate the process of getting illume
   on debian on my freerunner?  Like any sort of contribution they may
   need to help get the latest enlightenment going?
  
  Ask on the enlightenment mailing lists what help they need for pushing
  out a new snapshot – that’s what we are all waiting for.
  
   Alternatively, is there any workaround?  Preferably one that's not too
   hacky, like, for example, converting an opk to a deb?
  
  Hmm, likely not, as it needs features not present in the released
  versions of the enlightenment libs (or so I heared).

 A snapshot seems to have been released on september 25th ^.^  (A week
 after the quoted message)
 
 http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/
 
 Has there been any progress toward packaging that up?

Thanks for the pointer. The Debian enlightenment team has started to
packages these for Debian, and I heard that they will also package
Illume. See
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html 
for progress and further information.

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Re: [debian] impressions from fresh debian install today

2008-10-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 11.10.2008, 21:06 +0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The only stuff that starts by default is the matchbox wm, zhone, and the
 matchbox kbd. I think this is too little, and that a panel should also
 be there by default. I tried the matchbox panel, but couldnt get it to
 work in a way I liked. In the end I installed xfce. I now run the xfce
 panel, and the matchbox wm. I also installed the gtkstylus lib, and
 enabled rightclick emulation with export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so.

thanks for your suggestions. The installer, as it currently sits in git,
will install and run trayer (a minimal system tray) and
openmoko-panel-plugin in the default installation. This is still very
lightweight (compared to installing xfce), but gives the user the device
specific information. It’s still no application starter, though...

For patches, see
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blobdiff;f=install.sh;h=c478e8bcbed43c55fd8a8b1fabf27497644c7bb1;hp=00c8e2b9802add0d62077f2d3dd32d71b63fd057;hb=6c48bb533ab8092b2129f7b2d52f8fa04763df55;hpb=afdacf3fdbe81be0b6f97dd2d46926520def7bf2a

 I also added a swapfile.

Is that really need? What’s the gain and losses?

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Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of DebianOnFreeRunner by jidanni

2008-10-09 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi jidanni,

I hope you are reading this.

Am Donnerstag, den 09.10.2008, 01:00 + schrieb Debian Wiki :
 Dear Wiki user,
 
 You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on Debian Wiki for 
 change notification.
 
 The following page has been changed by jidanni:
 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
 
 The comment on the change is:
 sparse file savings
 

Thanks for your contributions to the wiki. But please do not use the
Wiki page as medium for discussion. The page is already too large
anyways, and having TODO items and unanswered questions on it does not
help the user.

Instead, please post the questions on one of the mailing lists, discuss
them, and if there is a solution, make a concise addition to the wiki.

Now to your concrete questions:


 --
   = Installing and Using Debian on an OpenMoko FreeRunner =
   You can install Debian on your 
 [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner OpenMoko FreeRunner], and use 
 that system to fulfill your telephone needs. You can then use almost all of 
 the packages available for Debian, with just one call to {{{apt-get 
 install}}}. It’s still the same full featured Distribution that you know from 
 your desktop or server.
   
 + TODO: please mention at this point in the article if we will end up with 
 dual booting ability with the former system or not.
 + 

This is already explained at “Adjusting your uBoot environment”. I don’t
think this should be duplicated.

   == Notes ==
   This installer is relatively new and probably contains bugs. You use it at 
 your own risk.
   
 @@ -15, +17 @@
 
   == Backup ==
   If you do not have a card reader to backup your MicroSD card, you can copy 
 the contents of the card including partition data over a network. You will 
 need a booted Freerunner with network access (USB, Wireless etc.) and a 
 *nix-based machine. Make sure power management is not set to suspend on the 
 FreeRunner.
   
 + TODO: please mention if we need to backup other disks/items of the 
 FreeRunner or not and why.
 + 
   If you wish to take a backup of your MicroSD card to restore from later, 
 run the following from your Freerunner:

The installer does not touch anything else, so nothing to mention here.

   {{{
   dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] gzip -9  sdcard.gz
   }}}
 - This will create a compressed backup of your card performing the 
 compression on the backup server (assuming that it's more powerful than 
 400MHz). To restore, run the following from your backup server:
 + This will create a compressed backup of your card performing the 
 compression on the backup server (assuming that it's more powerful than 
 400MHz). (Then one can get bigger squeezings if one uses sparse files:)
 + {{{
 + $ gunzip sdcard.gz; zum sdcard; tar zScf sdcard.tar.gz sdcard; ls -sog
 + 51 -r--r--r-- 1 510132224 2008-10-07 13:18 sdcard
 +  3 -rw-r--r-- 1  2745 2008-10-09 08:29 sdcard.tar.gz
 + }}}
 + To restore, run the following from your backup server:

What is zum?
  
   
   II) Set boot partition to be vfat by running {{{SD_PART1_FS=vfat 
 ./install.sh all}}}. Now you do not need to mess with modifying U-Boot's 
 default setup.
   
 + (Though the partition exists, it takes up all the disk, and we need to make 
 more partitions.)
 + 

What do you mean by this? I don’t quite understand that.

   Now be patient for a while, as the script downloads, installs and sets up 
 everything it needs. Once it finishes without an error, you have to adjust 
 your uBoot environment:
   
   In case of temporary errors (for example network problems), you can 
 re-enter the installation by specifying the stages you want to run:

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Re: Debian installer internal error

2008-10-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 02.10.2008, 17:30 + schrieb Matthias Camenzind:
 I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working 
 fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error:
 P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
 E: Internal error: install
 
 Exists something i could do?

thanks for trying out Debian. I quote the FAQ from
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner:

During the debian stage of the install, what does E: Internal error:
install mean and how do I fix it? 

  * One possible cause is a problem with the armel packages in
Debian. Check /mnt/debian/var/log/bootstrap.log for dependency
problems or the like. 

  * If corrupt packages appear, then it might be related to the
microSD card used in the installation, as explained in the
discussion at the smartphones-standards. Other information are
available in the upstream bug. 

So please check the bootstrap.log, it might help you on.

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] getting zhone sid ringtones working

2008-10-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 24.09.2008, 13:32 +0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  writes:
   On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I'm using debian and zhone. sid ringtones doesnt work, only the 
  buzzer
   works.
  
   I installed sidplay2, and oss-compat, and sidplay2 works from the
   command line. zhone cant find it though.
  
   Any hints?
   --
  
   use the gstream sid plugin
 
  Ok, I tried:
  apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
  apt-get install python-gst0.10
 
  this was not sufficient. Any more hints?
 
  apt-cache search gstreamer sid
 
 The problem persisted, but I managed to solve it like this:
 
 cd /
 ln -s /usr/share
 
 I think this is some kind of packaging problem in Debian of
 fso-frameworkd.

Could be. What version of fso-frameworkd do you have installed (dpkg -l
fso-frameworkd)?

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Re: [debian] Can't type with matchbox keyboard

2008-09-20 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 20.09.2008, 02:14 -0700 schrieb Dima Kogan:
 The code in SVN is significantly different (newer) than what's in
 debian. Look at http://matchbox-project.org/get_involved.html

does any volunteer to get in touch with the matchbox-project and see if
they can release a new version?

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Re: [debian] Can't type with matchbox keyboard

2008-09-19 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 19.09.2008, 00:59 +0200 schrieb Neil Jerram:
 Using the matchbox keyboard to type on my FR, I found that I couldn't
 type a  character into vi.  Shift-, and Shift-. both produce
 .
 
 It looks like the problem is in
 /usr/share/matchbox-keyboard/keyboard-extended.xml: at line 276, it
 has two key entries which both have
 
 default display=. /
 
 I would guess that the first key entry should actually have
 
 default display=, /
 
 (I'm also having trouble with my SSH right now, otherwise I'd test it
 and be more sure!)

thanks, it has been reported as
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495609

If you actually tested your fix?

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Re: [debian] frameworkd affecting touch-screen input

2008-09-17 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 14.09.2008, 23:44 -0400 schrieb Brock:
 When playing with some screen-drawing applications, including Xournal,
 Gournal, and even Gimp, I noticed that I could draw long complex lines
 but that they don't appear until I lift the stylus.
 
 After some tinkering, I see that the lines are immediately drawn, or in
 other words the data immediately given to the app, when frameworkd is
 stopped.
 
 Anyone know why that is?

the lack of answers probably means that nobody knows. Think of it as an
incentive to find it out and tell us about it :). And if you can not,
feel free to file a bug against the fso-frameworkd package via
http://bugs.debian.org/ so that this is not forgotten.

(I haven’t checked it myself, but I remember that pypennotes worked
fine. Can you check with that program?)

(And do you have the unmodified X server, or the one with the right
click patch?)

Greetings,
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Re: Illume on Debian

2008-09-17 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 17.09.2008, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
 Is there any way I can help accelerate the process of getting illume
 on debian on my freerunner?  Like any sort of contribution they may
 need to help get the latest enlightenment going?

Ask on the enlightenment mailing lists what help they need for pushing
out a new snapshot – that’s what we are all waiting for.

 Alternatively, is there any workaround?  Preferably one that's not too
 hacky, like, for example, converting an opk to a deb?

Hmm, likely not, as it needs features not present in the released
versions of the enlightenment libs (or so I heared).

Greetings,
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Re: milestone3 available in Debian

2008-09-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 12.09.2008, 08:25 +0200 schrieb Yann SLADEK:
 Thanks a lot !
 I tried, it works perfectly,

great to hear that, especially as I did less testing than I should
have :-)

 except 2 thing (but I don't know if it's
 due to FSO 3) : I don't have the zhone bar at the top anymore

yes, they removed functionality that is provided by Illume. But we still
don’t have Illume in Debian (waiting for the next Enlightenment snapshot
to be released and packaged :-()

 and a tap on calendar icon do nothing.

I’ll see if that works in the official FSO image.

Gruß,
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Re: FSO milestone3 my view (ON gta01)

2008-09-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 12.09.2008, 12:24 +0200 schrieb Tilman Baumann:
 Zhone does not show german umlauts correctly in SMS and it does not 
 concatenate big messages composed of multiple messages.

It does show umlauts correclty here (running Milestone3 on Debian, but I
don’t think we have changed anything relevant). But those SMS were
received with the SIM card plugged into a Siemens S35, maybe that helps.

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Re: milestone3 available in Debian

2008-09-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 12.09.2008, 15:58 +0200 schrieb TeXitoi:
 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Besides these new versions you might be interested to hear that remoko
  and pypennotes have been packaged for Debian, and fso-gpsd makes sure
  all gpsd-using applications (such as tangogps) work also. We still don’t
  have Illume, as we are still waiting for new Enlightenment libs being
  released and packaged for Debian.

Thanks for testing.

 I have updated this morning, and I have some problems:
  - SMS do not work (the icon is grey), zhone says 
 2008-09-12 15:43:44,943 INFO checking for unsent messages
 2008-09-12 15:43:45,404 INFO did not receive any unsent messages: 
 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotFound:
It worked OK on fso-m2 (sometimes, I received a number instead of
the text of the SMS).

It’s strange, I have it some times as well, some times not. It needs to
be determined yet if that bug is Debian-introduced or already in the
fso-m2 code.

  - Sometimes, zhone do not want to suspend after 2 sec power buttun
because it do not received the event.  On fso-m2, I restart
frameworkd and zhone, and It works after.  Now, when I do that, I
lost the contact list.

Not sure what’s happening here. Error messages from zhone or frameworkd
might be useful.

  - I cannot downgrade to fso-m2 because it is not in the archive
now.  I need SMS to use the FR as a phone.

Yes, we need to sort that out somehow, that old versions are not
deleted. One can of course still compile it from git, as the versions
are tagged.

 else, it works well, and fso-gpsd work fine.

Nice to hear that,
Joachim

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Zhone with visual suspend feedback, Was: FSO milestone3 my view (ON gta01)

2008-09-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 12.09.2008, 12:24 +0200 schrieb Tilman Baumann:
 Differenciating between suspend and shutdown is terribely hard. I almost 
 never get the thing to sleep because i fear i would press power too long 
 and shut it down. What happens quite often never the less.
 
 If i shut it down by pressing the power button long, it ussually 
 indicates shutdown (nice animation btw) but then goes into suspend. Both 
 events suspend and shudown where triggered.
 Then i have to press power again to wake it up to let it finish shutdown.

I have just created a patch that gives zhone visual feedback when
suspending.

This will, in that order highlight four bars on the screen: “keep
pressed”, “let go”, “suspending” and “waking up”. They are highlighted
when the user pushes down POWER, when he has pushed it for one second,
when he releases it in time and when the phone wakes up.

This also has the effect that keeping it pressed for more than three
seconds it will _not_ suspend, as to not interfere with a shutdown or
restart triggered by the Altr-Ctrl-Del sent this way.

I’ll soon submit that for inclusion, so maybe that problem will be
resolved as well.


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Re: Zhone with visual suspend feedback, Was: FSO milestone3 my view (ON gta01)

2008-09-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 12.09.2008, 18:23 +0200 schrieb Fabian Henze:
 imho the 2 to 4 second timeout (I haven't figured out the exact time yet^^) 
 is 
 not really necessary, as the power button is so tiny, that it is very 
 unlikely 
 you press it by accident. So im my eyes a much better solution compared to 
 the 
 gui by Joachim Breitner, would be to disable the timeout completely.

From what I’ve seen while coding the GUI (which is commited now), I
think the reason why there is a timeout is that if there is not, the
POWER press that you use to wake up the phone will be detected again...

Greetings,
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Re: milestone3 available in Debian

2008-09-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 12.09.2008, 19:51 +0200 schrieb Yann SLADEK:
 I was wondering how it could have been removed. We now have the answer :).
 What is the problem for porting Illume in Debian ? Are you waiting for a
 package to be done ?

(pasting) ... llume, which we can not
yet have in Debian, because it needs newer enlightenment libraries,
which the maintainer wants to wait for the next snapshot for, which as
not yet been released because the enlightenment guys don’t think it’s
stable enough. :-(

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Re: milestone3 available in Debian

2008-09-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 12.09.2008, 23:23 +0300 schrieb Mikko Niemikorpi:
 Little update: Tried another Debian mirror and this time I got similar 
 error on different package.
 [..]

please see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 maybe (very likely)
that applies to you.

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Re: [debian] xglamo howto?

2008-09-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 11.09.2008, 08:59 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams:

 is there someone who knows what to do on a debianized freerunner to  
 get Xglamo running usable (with ts) and is willing to give a little  
 cooking recipe and maybe put it at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ 
 Debian as long as there is no .deb availabe?
 (i know about http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/xglamo-beta/ 
 xglamo_1.3.0.0+git20080807-1_armel.deb .. but this .deb only brings  
 the binary - no config is done at all)

I should remove that file, it was just a quick test and for example the
touchscreen does not work.

Someone managed to compile one with touchscreen working (Arne Anka?
Timo? not sure, sorry), and Gismo started to clean up some packaging,
but I think he’s overly buisy right now. You can build your own package
from
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/xglamo.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/debian
though, using qemubuilder, if you have time and a fast machine :-)

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milestone3 available in Debian

2008-09-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

tonight we have packaged the new versions of zhone and frameworkd and
adjusted the (slightly improved) installer script to install the FSO
milestone3 kernel.

So if you are running Debian already, you get the new stuff by running
apt-get update; apt-get -u upgrade

If you are not yet running Debian, you can follow the instructions on
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner

That said, I didn’t very thoroughly test the new versions, so it might
be that you stumble upon stupid mistakes from me. Please let us know (at
the smartphone-userland[1] mailing list, where most Debian related
discussion take place) if you find any.

Besides these new versions you might be interested to hear that remoko
and pypennotes have been packaged for Debian, and fso-gpsd makes sure
all gpsd-using applications (such as tangogps) work also. We still don’t
have Illume, as we are still waiting for new Enlightenment libs being
released and packaged for Debian.

Greetings,
Joachim
for the pkg-fso team.

[1] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland

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Re: Debian

2008-09-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 06.09.2008, 20:56 +0200 schrieb Jean-Eric Cuendet:
 Hi,
 I propose to create a new mailing list on lists.openmoko.org
 That is related Debian on FreeRunner.
 What do you think?

If you mean FSO on Debian, there already is
http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/

Besides that, I’m still against splitting the lists. See William’s post
to this tread, he has made some good points.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures

2008-09-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 06.09.2008, 21:46 +0100 schrieb Valerio Valerio:

 2008/9/6 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ok, I got your program working (a bit, Debian users see [1]),
 and now I
 understand what you need the remoko-server for: It's not
 something that
 runs permanently, or as a system daemon, but it's a helper
 that you run
 to do stuff you can't do in python, right?
  It runs permanently, the server is responsible for send all the keys
 to the remote device, in the future it will be like a daemon (I hope
 in BlueZ) .

But at the moment, you start it from remoko, and you kill it in remoko.
What would the advantage be if remoko-server runs permanently?

If you really need a server, then please make it listen on a unix socket
(e.g. in /var/run) so that unix file permissions can control access
(plus it’s slightly faster).

 
 Is this code in the subversion? If not, you run the risk that
 other
 people will start to hack on the older, published code which
 will cause
 troubles when merging.
  
 All the code is in the SVN, but was I said, I have a incomplete
 setup.py and two static path in remoko_conf and remoko_server :) 

Ok, I worked around these in
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/remoko.git;a=summary (it’s svn-git
based, my changes are in the debian branch). 


 About the error that you say that make the application crash, can you
 give me details on it ?

I didn’t check really yet, but if it’s something that’s not caused by
me, I’ll let you know :-)

 The enlightment errors in the keyboard are probably because you don't
 have the last E packages, raster developed the keyboard pop up method
 (that I'm using) in middle of august.

Hmm, it would be good if remoko works with other window managers as
well, so it should handle it gracefully if this extension is not
present. Maybe I’ll have a patch for that too, later.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures

2008-09-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 07.09.2008, 11:39 +0100 schrieb Valerio Valerio:

 
  Is this code in the subversion? If not, you run the
 risk that
  other
  people will start to hack on the older, published
 code which
  will cause
  troubles when merging.
 
  All the code is in the SVN, but was I said, I have a
 incomplete
  setup.py and two static path in remoko_conf and
 remoko_server :)
 
 
 Ok, I worked around these in
 http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/remoko.git;a=summary (it's
 svn-git
 based, my changes are in the debian branch).
 
 
  About the error that you say that make the application
 crash, can you
  give me details on it ?
 
 I didn't check really yet, but if it's something that's not
 caused by
 me, I'll let you know :-)
 
  The enlightment errors in the keyboard are probably because
 you don't
  have the last E packages, raster developed the keyboard pop
 up method
  (that I'm using) in middle of august.
 
 Hmm, it would be good if remoko works with other window
 managers as
 well, so it should handle it gracefully if this extension is
 not
 present. Maybe I'll have a patch for that too, later.
  
 This extension is responsible for pop-up the vkb, so if you are using
 Om 2008.8 the qtopia keyboard will appear, in FSO the E keyboard
 appear and so on, the extension pop-up any vkb present in the system,
 if you don't have a vkb the program don't crash but you can't
 configure keys or use the keyboard profile. You have a better
 suggestion for that ?

Well, just to make it easy for Debian, until we have the latest libs, I
applied this patch:
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/remoko.git;a=blobdiff;f=remoko/remoko;h=f7cdc95bfab86f2e1946daf7c4f6c332f7e6106d;hp=9ecddfef4124e95aeded37cf3e390a589af50dfb;hb=2e969b0985544f324877d06ceba8c5de797ac6a6;hpb=1d988ea1efd08b3a17a7e7f7e5348354d10d74df
It should not break it for anyone else, but makes it usable for us. At
least as an work-around until the function is present.

Now it works nicely here, thanks! And feel free to steal some of the
patches :-)

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-09-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 07.09.2008, 16:25 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 18:01 +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote:
  I hope you are not scared by this list :-)
 I hope that i don't miss anything :-)
 
 here is a new version of the openmoko-panel-plugin. this one has a
 matchbox keyboard button and nicer icons. i hope that i find the time to
 add the double click feature in the near future.
 
 here are the new urls:
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.2-1_all.deb
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin-0.2-1.diff.gz
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.2-1.dsc

^ that seems to be broken, at least I get some HMTL around the file
itself.

 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin-0.2.orig.tar.gz
 
 If you have any suggestions how to further improve the packaging i'll be
 happy to hear.

Sure, I’ll have a look later, once I could download it.

 how can we integrate this package to the debian-fso
 repository ?

If it’s fine, I’ll just upload it to the pkg-fso repository. If you want
to be in touch with development, please join
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-fso-maint

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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures

2008-09-06 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 04.09.2008, 18:28 +0100 schrieb Valerio Valerio:

 2008/9/4 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  * What exactly is the server for? It seems it listens on a
 tcp socket
 for commands, which is connected by the UI to send the events
 over
 bluetooth. Why don't you bind to the 127.0.0.1 IP address? Why
 don't you
 use dbus for that?
 The server handles all the HID communications, is like a bridge for
 the client UI, I use a unix socket because the BlueZ devs recommend it
 to me, besides a dbus interface will be slower, because in the mouse
 profile I have to send every small movement (pixel by pixel).

Ok, I got your program working (a bit, Debian users see [1]), and now I
understand what you need the remoko-server for: It’s not something that
runs permanently, or as a system daemon, but it’s a helper that you run
to do stuff you can’t do in python, right?

To avoid having different packages for that, and possibly opening
security holes by using TCP, I’d recommend to pack that functionality in
a C file and include that in your python process using cython. This is
what the zhone developers did to do some stuff that python can’t
(modifying X window atoms).

 Yes, I already made more code, but right now I don't have time and
 concentration until I finish my last exam (16 Set)  :(

Is this code in the subversion? If not, you run the risk that other
people will start to hack on the older, published code which will cause
troubles when merging.

Greetings,
Joachim

[1] hmpf, http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/ is
down, but it’s the mail with subject “Bluetooth and remoko experience”
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Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

2008-09-05 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 05.09.2008, 12:30 +0200 schrieb Paul-Valentin Borza:
 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Am Donnerstag, den 04.09.2008, 17:31 +0200 schrieb Joachim Breitner:
  I was about to package accelgel for Debian. I exported the latest svn,
  tried to generate a clean source tarball with
  $ autogen.sh  make dist
  and tried to use the resulting .tar.gz to build the package.
  Unfortunately, it seems that the generated tarball is not complete, for
  example it misses ./accelneo/include/accelneo.h
 
  Would you do me a favour and provide an official source tarball of
  your release, preferably one created by make dist? Then I'll continue
  with packaging it.
 
 It's pretty strange that you gen a missing accelneo.h as the file is on SVN.
 The latest version is on SVN.
 Do you still have problems with missing accelneo.h?

Sorry for not being clear: I did not try to compile directly from the
svn checkout. Instead, I have built a release tarball with make dist,
but this tarball does not work because it is missing some files, e.g.
accelneo.h. There is a way to tell automake what files to include in a
release tarball, but I don’t know a lot about automake yet. 

Having a working make dist is not really critical, but it’s a sign of
good automake packaging, and it allows you to easily create release
tarballs. Also, make distcheck is useful. See
http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/automake/Dist.html if you are
interestd in that.

  BTW, what are you plans now that GSOC is over? Are you continuing the
  development of accelges?
 
 Glad you're asking. I'm definitely thinking on continuing this
 project, and as you said I'm thinking in turning it to a proper
 program.
 That's why I've bought accelsense.org, exactly for this purpose. Once
 I have everything set up on accelsense.org, I'll move the code there
 on git.
 And maybe other members would like to contribute.
 I'll add your items from the above list to the TO-DO list. Just that
 right now I don't have time to work on it, at least not this month.
 I'm also doing an internship in Slovenia that's why I'm that busy.

Glad to hear that. May I suggest that you set up the git repository
earlyier, so that people can start hacking on their branches until you
have time to conitnue development?

Thanks,
Joachim

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Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation

2008-09-04 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi again,

Am Donnerstag, den 04.09.2008, 17:31 +0200 schrieb Joachim Breitner:
 Am Donnerstag, den 14.08.2008, 19:01 +0200 schrieb Paul-Valentin Borza:
  I'm proud to announce that the new release of accelerometer-based
  gestures, and screen orientation is now available for download.
 
 I was about to package accelgel for Debian. I exported the latest svn,
 tried to generate a clean source tarball with
 $ autogen.sh  make dist
 and tried to use the resulting .tar.gz to build the package.
 Unfortunately, it seems that the generated tarball is not complete, for
 example it misses ./accelneo/include/accelneo.h
 
 Would you do me a favour and provide an “official” source tarball of
 your release, preferably one created by “make dist”? Then I’ll continue
 with packaging it.

While I’m at it, here are some packaging related suggestions:

 * Check for the existence of your dependencies in configure. E.g. I
could run configure without having libbluetooth2-dev installed, only to
have “make” fail.
 * Please install everything using automake, including configuration
etc. This avoids duplication and diversion between accelges_svn.bb, the
Debian packaging and other distros.
 * Do not install files with an ending “.sh” in the path. This is
against Debian policy, and ugly as well :-)
 * Do you really need the various -neo2.sh, -neo3.sh wrappers? Why not
have one wrapper that reads cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Hardware?
 * You install the acceleration data into /etc in your bb recipe. This
is uncommon for binary data. If it’s data that is going to be modified
by programs while running, it should go to /var/lib. Or better, put
distributed files in /usr/share and create additional data in /var/lib. 

I guess that’s quite a large list. But I think it’s what turn a private
project into a proper program.

BTW, what are you plans now that GSOC is over? Are you continuing the
development of accelges?

Greetings,
Joachim


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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures

2008-09-04 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Valerio,

Am Mittwoch, den 27.08.2008, 12:33 +0100 schrieb Valerio Valerio:
 a ReMoko package with ability to send events through gestures (Paul's
 daemon - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures) is available now in:
 http://code.google.com/p/remoko/downloads/list

I have had a look into packaging ReMoko for Debian. Here are some issues
that you might want to look into, to make ReMoko easily packagable.

 * The setup.py could be improved. Have a look at [1], how I did this
for zhone’s setup.py. 
 * It would be great if you could provide “official” source tarballs of
your release. setup.py helps you with the sdist command, but you need to
tell it what files it should include. Again, you can have a look at how
Jan Lübbe did that for zhone at [2].
 * Your configuration module just looks for “settings.cfg”, without
specifying a path. Something like sys.env['HOME'] + settings.cfg might
be more sensible.
 * The server source looks good, “make dist” produces a sensible
tarball. You might want to change the product name and version number in
configure.ac though.
 * What exactly is the server for? It seems it listens on a tcp socket
for commands, which is connected by the UI to send the events over
bluetooth. Why don’t you bind to the 127.0.0.1 IP address? Why don’t you
use dbus for that?

I think it would be great to have a remoko Debian package, but there is
some work left. Are you going to continue remoko development, now that
GSoC is over? 

Greetings and thanks,
Joachim

[1] 
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=blobdiff;f=setup.py;h=3203be394e70201eea5c865cba0f5922777ce237;hp=1b0e1c1b56f87651303533358e5af2a3c17a0af0;hb=ff4c5c02ee9fea489f7a37a6d4bd9e8475f76cc3;hpb=b9e9d771dd3c7d8554308f480db246f3d4a9f98d
[2] 
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcfe28591bf4d40fcbd8b1bd73125f8cd5bff154;hp=509e786b03579e34085219ac70ba88d7f1827ed5


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Re: Overview of all distros

2008-09-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.09.2008, 09:57 + schrieb Christian Weßel:
 I am not able to follow all the discussions about FR, but now I try to
 get an overview which distributions are available:
 
 1. 2007.2
 2. 2008.8
 3. qtopia
 4. FSO
 5. Debian
 6. 2008.9(? is comming?)
 
 For each of these are own repositories needed? And has it's own
 philosophy?
 Is there an overview with prerequsist and pro/con of each in wiki?
 How should I decide which distro could be my one?

Let me comment on Debian. It’s not really a distro (in the Openmoko
speak) of it’s own, but a different underlying system for openmoko
distros. At the moment, we ship the software from the FSO stack, but
hopefully we’ll also have, for example, the Stable Hybrid Release
software in our archive.

So for now, Debian is a different way of installing FSO, which takes
more space and provides more programs :-)

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Several stacks on one card

2008-09-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.09.2008, 17:04 +0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hello, I am going to buy a new microSD card. I want to install Debian,
 Qtopia and whatever other image appeals me.
 
 Is it possible to make a dual-boot in the card?
 
 Something like first a selecting if you boot the flash or the card, and
 later wich partition in the card you boot.
 
 Have I explained me?

It should be possible by doing the partitioning yourself, and then
configuring the uboot enviroment to your liking. For each uboot menu
entry, you can decide where the kernel should be loaded from, and what
partition the kernel should use as the root partition. This gives you
all options, I think.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Debian touchscreen (pointercal) help

2008-09-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 16:52 +1000 schrieb Tim Erwin:
 I have debian installed on the freerunner and have installed xorg
 (along with xfce4 and gdm) and xserver-xorg-input-tslib but cannot get
 the touchscreen calibrated. I have tried both options from the manual
 debian wiki but have had no luck. It seems to use only the top left of
 the screen (about a 1/3rd) . Any help would be appreciated.

Did you install Debian using the official installer script? It comes
with a calibration file that should work...

If you lost it, it’s this file:
http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal-fso

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again

2008-09-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 12:50 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams:
 i just discovered something i actually can't explain to myself:
 (i do the sd_idleclk-trick in /etc/apm - scripts)
 when apmd is running while i invoke 'apm -s' i get the following in  
 dmesg:
 
 -  snip 
 Syncing filesystems ... done.
 PM: Preparing system for mem sleep
 -  snap 
 
 but the system doen't suspend completely - only X freezes but ssh-ing  
 still works

 when i now call 'invoke-rd.d apmd stop' the system suspends and  
 resumes on power-button and in dmesg it continues as following (i  
 think the 'error' is shown with the 'Can't switch VCs'-part - this  
 doesn't occur when apmd isn't running at all):

I observed the same problem, but only when X was started after apmd, not
the other way around. I also observed that running strace -p pid of
apmd or strace -p pid of X makes the kernel go ahead with
suspending.

Can you confirm these observations? What kernel version are you using?

Thanks,
Joachim
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again

2008-09-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 17:53 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams:
 i can confirm your observations regarding strace -p pid of apmd
 but for me the starting order of apmd and X makes no difference ..
 
 my actual kernel: Linux dvalin 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Sun Aug 31 01:38:31  
 CEST 2008 armv4tl GNU/Linux
 (came from not longer reachable buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ 
 freerunner/200808/20080831 )

thanks. Unfortunately, I don’t have an idea what’s causing it, but I’d
be thankful if you can debug it :-)

You could test it with two instances of apmd and no X running, for
example. Maybe the kernel just doesn’t like two apps listening
on /dev/apm_bios.

Greetings,
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Re: Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-09-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.09.2008, 10:56 +0200 schrieb Michele Renda:
 Thank you Pietro!
 
 I will test as soon, and I will give you a feedback.
 
 It will be nice to have a little repository for all the person that
 use Debian on FR where they can find the programs that are unavailable
 on the Debian official channed !

That’s basically what pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org is for. At least for
packages that could be in official Debian eventually, such as
pypennotes[1]. But we do apply roughly the same quality requirements
than for the real archive and want all packages eventually in Debian.

I’m planing to include numpty-physics eventually, at the latest when the
version with the on-screen buttons is available. 

We are also welcoming anyone else to create packages for the repository,
if they are willing to properly maintain it in Debian later. I guess
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ is a starting point for that.

Greetings,
Joachim

[1] http://pkg-fso.nomeata.de/sid/pypennotes

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-09-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.09.2008, 14:11 +0200 schrieb Olivier Berger:
 Is there a link with the emdebian project ?
 
 It is not clear to me what's the real difference between emdebian and
 what you have done, as I know very few about emdebian after all.
 
 Just to get some clarification... but very good job, thank you.

The url is very creative: http://www.emdebian.org/ :-)

emdebian, AFAIK, does
 * provide cross-compilation
 * reduces package size by removing documentation
 * changes some compile options to further reduce package size
The last point makes it, in corner cases, problematic to mix with the
official archive. Also, emdebian does not cover all of the archive yet.

At the moment, emdebian does not support python, because python seems to
be hard to cross-compile, therefore we base our system for FreeRunner on
the official Debian for now. 

Eventually, when emdebian can run all the apps that we need (well,
python should be the only problem), it will also be able to run the
FreeRunner specific package, which by then are in the official archive.
I’m sure someone, maybe us, maybe the emdebian guys will provide an
installer or image based on emdebian. This will give users the choice
between the two.

I hope that clarifies some points.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Please split this list!

2008-09-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.09.2008, 13:06 +0200 schrieb Thorben Krueger:
 Please consider splitting this mailinglist into sublists, i.e. each
 handling its own distribution...

I oppose a split. There are already too many lists, and it’s hard to
draw a clear separation between them.

And with distributions it’s not clear either. Some bugs or ideas,
although discovered on 2008.8, apply also to FSO. Debian, for example,
is just another base running FSO, so most Debian related mails are also
FSO related. With exception of those by people running xfce. Unless, of
course, it’s X server related...

Greetings,
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-09-01 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.09.2008, 22:11 +0930 schrieb Rod Whitby:
 Joachim Breitner wrote:
  At the moment, emdebian does not support python, because python seems to
  be hard to cross-compile
 
 Hmm - OpenEmbedded has no problems cross-compiling python ...
 
 Perhaps it's a bit of NIH rather than hardness ;-)

I haven’t looked at it myself, but I was told that OpenEmbedded had to
patch upstream python quite a bit. The Emdebian guys are going to see
what OpenEmbedded did to make it work, as they want the Openmoko guys as
a possible user base as well :-)

Greetings,
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Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Joachim Breitner
HI,

Am Donnerstag, den 28.08.2008, 12:19 +0530 schrieb Ganesha Krishna:
 on an off note; I was testing suspend time day before yesterday,
 battery 100%, Zhone,xterm,keyboard running(minimum apps I need).
 Suspended FR at 3AM. tried to wake it up at 9AM (6hrs). FR battery is
 dead. battery reads 3.16V on multimeter. FR refuses to boot/charge the
 battery. Had to find a different battery to boot then hot swap the
 battery while charging to get back my FR. Lesson learned: Neo likes to
 be plugged in when (user is) asleep.

Quite strange, my Freerunner stays reliably in sleep (unless someone
calls and I don’t notice, of course), and consumes only a reasonable
amount of power – about what Timo reported in the “29 hours in suspend
= 70% battery left” thread.

I use the kernel from 2008-08-05 (too lazy to upgrade). What’s yours?

Greetings,
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Re: New tslib xsrelease with right click

2008-08-28 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 28.08.2008, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 there is a new upstream release in the debian repository. so here is a
 new package with the right click by tap+hold patch. it can be downloaded
 from http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.5-1
 +fso1_armel.deb . you also have to change your pointercal file because
 the package is now based on the new debian package. just download it
 from http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal-fso and save
 it to /etc/pointercal .

Note that this is the same pointercal file shipped with the debian
installer, so you only have to use that if you were using Sebastian’s
tslib driver before. If you install it for the first time,
your /etc/pointercal should be fine.

Greetings,
Joachim

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